Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Always been a subs over dubs guy. Only heard about this stuff because of Nick
I knew of Vic because of FMA and I saw his name in the credits for the English version of DBZ: Kai when he did his rendition of dragon soul, outside of that I had very little knowledge of him.

I'm more of a sub over dubs guy, I've gone back to see what the dub for shows I've enjoyed are like and some of them are fucking horrible (Hajime No Ippo) or I've become so used to the sub that the dub makes the characters feel totally different (Hunter x Hunter).
 
  • Like
Reactions: WhimsicalTrolli
It ended with a settlement, where Matt Loter agreed (emphasis on agreed) to issue a public apology. No court can order an apology.

And I think Monica and Ron can be forced to agree as well- either they pay half of the damages and admit they lied, or they pay all and get put on the mother fucking sidewalk. Even if they don't agree, Ty could say publicly on a stream: "We offered to cut their damages in ha;f if they agreed to make an apology video for lying- but they refused and had to pay in full."

Either way, Vic comes out on top with Monica, Ron, and Jamie not even having a pot to piss in.
 
Sony is afraid of having to do a New Media-style writeoff on Funimation and sell it for a lot less than what they paid for it in the first place

Funny enough, we ALL SAW what happened to Tumblr.
Yahoo bought it for 1.1billion dollars, royally fucked it up, and then had to sell it for less than 3 million... how great would it be if Sony did the same to FUNi, or just absorbed them entirely?
 
And I think Monica and Ron can be forced to agree as well- either they pay half of the damages and admit they lied, or they pay all and get put on the mother fucking sidewalk. Even if they don't agree, Ty could say publicly on a stream: "We offered to cut their damages in ha;f if they agreed to make an apology video for lying- but they refused and had to pay in full."

Either way, Vic comes out on top with Monica, Ron, and Jamie not even having a pot to piss in.

Texas has rules in place that prevent a person from losing everything. They can't be forced to sell their house, etc. in order to pay for the settlement. If they drag this out, they'll only get sucked dry and bled out by their own lawyers. Nick has said time and time again that this kind of nonsense is too expensive for regular people to have to deal with, and frankly that's how it should be so that the courts aren't overrun with even more petty idiocy on a regular basis.

But this really isn't about Ron and Monica though. No one cares about them and they'll be cast aside regardless. They aren't here because they're worth suing or because they might come around to the idea of settling and releasing a statement exonerating Vic. Everyone already knows what their word is worth even if they pretend otherwise for convenience. They're in the lawsuit because they're utterly inept and make everyone else look worse by association, which includes the people with actual money. That's why Ty's original petition was filed with join and several liability towards the defendants and argues vicarious liability on the part of FUNImation for Jamie, Ron, and Monica.

It's FUNImation that ultimately has the money to compensate Vic if nothing else is done, and it's also FUNImation that has the ability to offer him something worth having, which includes his previous roles and a contractual guarantee of future work. RT might not even be worth going after even if Vic could simply because they've sank their own ship so badly at this point. Someone like Sabat at least has the personal assets (his recording studio) that are worth going after and that he can be forced to sell off because they aren't similarly shielded.

Personally I wish that Ty could talk Vic into loosening the reigns and letting him go all out, but that's really only because I'd like to see the defendants squirm. Of course, if Vic did that he probably wouldn't be Vic. There's a reason that he can get more people to go out of their way just to see him than anyone else else can get even though there's tens of thousands of people that already paid to be at a convention and are already there.
 
[...]
These people wanted to completely and utterly destroy him in the Court of Public Opinion... and oh sweet merciful titty-fucking Christ has it blown up in their faces in the most spectacular way possible. The Court of Public Opinion, the tool they tried so desperately to use against Vic, has now been turned against them.

It's only just begun as well, imagine how fucking bad it's going to get for them when those TCPAs get crammed back up Monica's ass- where they most likely came from. Suddenly, the ONLY THING that #KickVic has been saying would "dismiss the whole case" is fucking GONE. You can bet your ass there are going to be hundreds upon hundreds, maybe even thousands, of vindicated ISWV-ers that are going to plaster that all over the place.
[...]

As I said elsewhere, they've been fighting this using the Court of Public Opinion as their playbook, when in reality, it's being fought in a Court of Law, and I think they're now just starting to realize that they're FUBAR'd. As it's been demonstrated by KV, they'll just keep moving the goalposts over and over again, because in their minds, they cannot and will not accept defeat. However a Court of Law doesn't use goalposts, there's just a Judge and a Jury. That's the actual playing field, and they are the only players that will matter should this go to trial.

[...]
But hey, maybe Sony will start cleaning house with Marchi and Rial getting cut first.

Honestly, after the lawsuit stuff got kicked off Armzgurl shoulda slinked back into her hole of irrelevance she had after #Change the Channel faded away where she was losing attention due to nobody giving a shit. Instead, she's still flapping her lips and it couldn't be more great.

Once that ass goes to court, the PULL hugbox and Twitter Clown Circus can't save her broke ass.

WRT Sony/Funi losing the TCPA/lolsuit and "purging", you can be guaranteed that the Defendant's (and quite possible their allied VA's within the company) will be the first ones to get bounced out on their asses. Why? Because by their own words/actions, they made this Sony's/Funi's problem. So yep, they'll be out. Upper management will get bounced too if it's shown that they clearly allowed/sanctioned this shit to go on in their house.

As for MarzGurl, along with the other outliers of this case, they cannot and will not stop chirping about this. It's in their very nature as "woke" people to keep chirping, because in their minds: the more we keep chirping it, the more it becomes "fact", and then it becomes their "truth". There's a saying that "History is written by the victor...", but they can't bring themselves to realize they aren't the victors here. These are the same people who thought it would be a great idea to give out trophies just for participating/losing, rather than winning.

I will agree that any and all support these outliers are getting will either fade away or, as being the "woke" people they are, will again double-down deeper into that abysmal hole of "wokeness". That's all assuming "if" they're taken to task in a Court of Law. Time will tell...

[...]
Think about it for a second, Vic is suing for Defamation and TI after defendants completely and utterly uprooted his career right when he was about to hit another peak of fame for his role as Broly. Defendants and others went out of their way to desperately attack Mignogna in any way possible... his fans, his job, his convention appearances, you name it.
[...]

That right there is why I believe the Defendant's and their allies/orbiters kicked this whole smear campaign into high-gear. Nothing stings a vain person more that being overshadowed and "not getting your name on the box."

As other pointed out, the only way to get an apology and recantation of their lies would be through part of a settlement or if they suddenly grew a conscience.

This is also a civil case and not criminal. Meaning Even if Vic won it doesn't have to show the Defendant's as guilty 100% but only to show through preponderance of evidence that they were most likely lying/committed TI (IE 51% +). And you know if Vic wins, they will still say, it was unfair and Judge Chupp was a misogynistic bible thumper trump supporter and what not (BELIEVE ALL WOMYN). I mean if you can prove they 100% were lying sack of shit and committed TI then that's fine but its not required to win this. Anyway is reputation will be forever damaged. Nothing can change that even if all parties involved were saying they lied about everything. Non party will still mouth off for whatever reason and the lingering thought that he "may" be a rapist or pedophile will always linger around.

This is why even if it hurt's the Plaintiff's feelings/values to use the nuclear option of a jury trial, IMO he should do it.

Settling with the Defendant's "may" yield an apology statement/article/video. However, I can almost guarantee that with the Defendant's actions demonstrated thus far, they will demand that a wide-ranging NDA be put in place to minimize the damage towards them, and they will not make that apology statement/article/video until there is one. There will most likely be other ridiculous demands made towards the Plaintiff during the settlement, and then once it's all settled, it could very well come out looking more favorable for the Defendant's.

Taking this to a jury however will expose the Defendant's defamation's, malice, and TI over and over again during the course of the trial. Hammering those nails into their coffins will not only help the Plaintiff regain his credibility as a decent human being, but will ensure that the Defendant's will suffer the consequences of their actions in the end should the Jury find in the Plaintiff's favor.
 
I've wondered too about the catalyst for it all after all these years.

Autism and dried out fujos.

I just thought of something (and excuse the late ratings, I haven't followed Weeb Wars as of late). You know why Funimation most likely wants the lawsuit dropped? Funimation knows they can't fight the claims. They KNOW they were neglectful when they fired Vic.

I mean, the only people who like lawsuits have never had one. Nobody can fault Funimation for wanting to get out of this ASAP, and it's to be expected.

It's Rial and company's case that's curious. They were the ones talking big game about getting the truth out there and parading 27-6,000,000 women to testify against Vic. Then they get hit with the lawsuit, try to fight to have Vic deposed first, try to fight to redact the depos however they want, try to fight to have only Vic's deposition done before they go and file the TCPA and trigger the discovery stay.

What happened to parading the women to testify against Vic? Hell, what happened to those 27 women?
 
There's a part of me that believes that as much as Sabat tries to maintain composure and stays quiet (unless someone publicly lambastes him), he is sperging out internally. The moment he must have gotten word that Vic Ravioli was cast to play Broly, all hell was let loose. As someone mentioned, Vic would be at the forefront, on the box, per se. Monica had 12 lines of screams and gab as the Nth Bulma, and Chris wasn't able to procure a new role to put under his belt.

Vic however, just wanted to reprise his newly revived role. And the fact that it was going to be on the silver screen was just icing on the cake.
 
As I said elsewhere, they've been fighting this using the Court of Public Opinion as their playbook, when in reality, it's being fought in a Court of Law, and I think they're now just starting to realize that they're FUBAR'd. As it's been demonstrated by KV, they'll just keep moving the goalposts over and over again, because in their minds, they cannot and will not accept defeat. However a Court of Law doesn't use goalposts, there's just a Judge and a Jury. That's the actual playing field, and they are the only players that will matter should this go to trial.



WRT Sony/Funi losing the TCPA/lolsuit and "purging", you can be guaranteed that the Defendant's (and quite possible their allied VA's within the company) will be the first ones to get bounced out on their asses. Why? Because by their own words/actions, they made this Sony's/Funi's problem. So yep, they'll be out. Upper management will get bounced too if it's shown that they clearly allowed/sanctioned this shit to go on in their house.

As for MarzGurl, along with the other outliers of this case, they cannot and will not stop chirping about this. It's in their very nature as "woke" people to keep chirping, because in their minds: the more we keep chirping it, the more it becomes "fact", and then it becomes their "truth". There's a saying that "History is written by the victor...", but they can't bring themselves to realize they aren't the victors here. These are the same people who thought it would be a great idea to give out trophies just for participating/losing, rather than winning.

I will agree that any and all support these outliers are getting will either fade away or, as being the "woke" people they are, will again double-down deeper into that abysmal hole of "wokeness". That's all assuming "if" they're taken to task in a Court of Law. Time will tell...



That right there is why I believe the Defendant's and their allies/orbiters kicked this whole smear campaign into high-gear. Nothing stings a vain person more that being overshadowed and "not getting your name on the box."



This is why even if it hurt's the Plaintiff's feelings/values to use the nuclear option of a jury trial, IMO he should do it.

Settling with the Defendant's "may" yield an apology statement/article/video. However, I can almost guarantee that with the Defendant's actions demonstrated thus far, they will demand that a wide-ranging NDA be put in place to minimize the damage towards them, and they will not make that apology statement/article/video until there is one. There will most likely be other ridiculous demands made towards the Plaintiff during the settlement, and then once it's all settled, it could very well come out looking more favorable for the Defendant's.

Taking this to a jury however will expose the Defendant's defamation's, malice, and TI over and over again during the course of the trial. Hammering those nails into their coffins will not only help the Plaintiff regain his credibility as a decent human being, but will ensure that the Defendant's will suffer the consequences of their actions in the end should the Jury find in the Plaintiff's favor.

Demands during settlement depends on what you can bring to the table. If Ty needs something for round 2 that Monica can provide then she has leverage.

But if Ty already has everything then the defense has to play by Vic's demands.

It would be the difference between having your nuts in a vice or a hydraulic press.
 
imo, only 1/12 of VAs are public figures. Voice Acting is the minors, is that a fair analogy?
More like 1/4 would probably qualify as public figures, and I'm talking those in the category of the Tara Strongs, Steven Blums, Hank Azeria, etc
Dubbing is definitely minor league, to the effect where you probably needs a side hustle (like going to cons as guests) to make
a living.
 
Yes, someone said pages back that VAs give life to the character. No, they don't, because those characters were already brought to life by the seiyuu. It's not unheard of for characters to be written with specific seiyuu in mind (I believe Inuyasha was specifically written for Yamaguchi Kappei). Meanwhile, localization teams aren't even an afterthought of the creators. Can you imagine an English cartoonist writing something that's intended for the Spanish performance? Because that's what we'd be talking about.

This is what makes the ego of people like Schemmel unbearable. He's not Goku. It doesn't matter how many episodes he voices. It doesn't matter how many other English VAs he erases from history. He will never be Goku. If he died tomorrow the series wouldn't notice. His legacy means jack all to DBZ. He is eminently replaceable.

And that is why they get paid crap rates and have to sign autographs to put food on the table.

The sub circlejerking is an annoying subthread of this drama. The fact is, there's a large chunk of dragonball fans who would give you a blank look if you said 'Masako Nozawa', and would recoil in horror if you played a clip of subbed Goku. It's certainly true there's dubbed characters who are way less recognizable than their subbed variants (moreso than vice versa) but there are highly recognizable voices that absolutely do make the character as a dubbed one, too. Ed Elric, Vegeta and Goku, and other similar 'long lasting' voices are not so easily replaced. You can hate Sean and Chris for being rats all you want, you can't change that the people who aren't interested in voice actor drama hear those voices and think of Goku and Vegeta, and the other way around.

And 'they could die and the series wouldn't notice' applies to sub actors, too. That annoyingly old voice actor for King Kai was quietly replaced early on in Super when it became clear he was just not able to to his lines at all anymore, and Bulma's voice actress literally did just die. She was replaced. If Masako kicked it and Toei wasn't done with Dragonball yet, they'd just replace her, too. They're not particularly more special than dub VAs, they just get treated better because they're the first ones voicing it,
 
My chief concern out of all of this is why. I want to know why she would do that. I want to know why they would all get together and stab him in the back. I want to know why they despise him so badly. I want to know why they are willing to go to extreme lolcow lengths along with their equally insane fanbases just to ruin the career of one man. Why?

I think part of it is because they were taking revenge for Vic’s ex-fiancé because she was cheated on.
 
More like 1/4 would probably qualify as public figures, and I'm talking those in the category of the Tara Strongs, Steven Blums, Hank Azeria, etc
Dubbing is definitely minor league, to the effect where you probably needs a side hustle (like going to cons as guests) to make
a living.

you can add Yuri Lowenthal, EG Daily, Tom Kenny in too
 
The sub circlejerking is an annoying subthread of this drama. The fact is, there's a large chunk of dragonball fans who would give you a blank look if you said 'Masako Nozawa', and would recoil in horror if you played a clip of subbed Goku. It's certainly true there's dubbed characters who are way less recognizable than their subbed variants (moreso than vice versa) but there are highly recognizable voices that absolutely do make the character as a dubbed one, too. Ed Elric, Vegeta and Goku, and other similar 'long lasting' voices are not so easily replaced. You can hate Sean and Chris for being rats all you want, you can't change that the people who aren't interested in voice actor drama hear those voices and think of Goku and Vegeta, and the other way around.
Literally this entire paragraph is completely irrelevant. How English speakers react and what they think does not matter to the production of anime, and it barely matters to the localization. You have a significant audience that won't listen to it regardless, and a significant version of the audience who will listen that are happy with Lisa Ortiz.
And 'they could die and the series wouldn't notice' applies to sub actors, too.
Some, even most, sure. Again, though, there are roles written for specific seiyu. Do you think that perhaps a demand that you hire X actor for Y voice if you want to produce Z anime might possibly be a tiny factor in how much you are willing to shell out to secure said voice? Do you think that maybe, seiyu being well paid might have an influence on expectations within the industry? And you can be certain that the performance of the seiyuu in any long lasting series has an influence on the direction of the character. There are a whopping total of zero written for English, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, French, German, Tagalog, and whatever else non-Japanese language you can come up with, and odds are good that no one working on the production will ever hear, let alone be inspired by, a foreign performance. Your dub voice actor will never matter, no matter how good the performance and no matter how many foreigners associate that voice with the character.
 
Back