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Robert is trying to race bait again
White Man Pretends to be Brown Man as He Tries to Appeal to Non-Citizens From Mexico: Wonders Why He Is A Rounding Error in US Primaries
Crouching Beaner, Hidden Mick. Still asshurt that potatoniggers aren't white, I see. Poor little Bobby. Why don't you write us another shitty poem about it, and we'll all listen and laugh at you.
It's actually sadder than that; he's actually mad he didn't grow up in a time where Irishmen were considered on par with Black people. He's that pathetically desperate for that sweet victimhood he can't honestly get.

And it's telling they don't want IDs and ignore how every other country has them too. It's almost like they'd lose several districts if they had to bring out IDs to prove the person's a civvy or alive or something.
 
And it's telling they don't want IDs and ignore how every other country has them too. It's almost like they'd lose several districts if they had to bring out IDs to prove the person's a civvy or alive or something.
I genuinely don’t understand why so many leftists are against ID law. Politicians sure, thay have plenty to cain but don’t get the others. Is US so different from Finland where you need ID to drive legally, buy alcohol or cigarettes, pick up packages or fly among other things? I remember watching John Oliver segment about it where he complained that IDs were overly expensive and hard to get in some areas of the country, witch if true is a problem but not a reason against ID laws. There just needs to be a law, government program or something that guarantees access to some form of ID locally in reasonable time frame and maybe free or low cost to low income people once every 5 year or how ever long those are valid. I think ability prove your identity is pretty crucial in modern western society so access to IDs should be a citizen right.

Also I don’t get how this is POC problem at all. Most of those areas where getting ID is hard are rural and most POCs live in or near big metropolitan areas witch have many DMWs and other places to get IDs. Natives had some special problems but many of those come from them living under different laws from rest of US.
 
I genuinely don’t understand why so many leftists are against ID law. Politicians sure, thay have plenty to cain but don’t get the others. Is US so different from Finland where you need ID to drive legally, buy alcohol or cigarettes, pick up packages or fly among other things? I remember watching John Oliver segment about it where he complained that IDs were overly expensive and hard to get in some areas of the country, witch if true is a problem but not a reason against ID laws. There just needs to be a law, government program or something that guarantees access to some form of ID locally in reasonable time frame and maybe free or low cost to low income people once every 5 year or how ever long those are valid. I think ability prove your identity is pretty crucial in modern western society so access to IDs should be a citizen right.

Also I don’t get how this is POC problem at all. Most of those areas where getting ID is hard are rural and most POCs live in or near big metropolitan areas witch have many DMWs and other places to get IDs. Natives had some special problems but many of those come from them living under different laws from rest of US.
Leftists are against ID laws because it lets them pander to low iq poor people and continue to say that Republicans don't want them to vote and want them dead. They want as many people voting for them as possible, no matter the legality.

Everybody has an ID, they're needed to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, and a ton of other things, but for some reason it's only bad to require an ID to vote.
 
While I briefly entertained various theories about that, from what I've seen, he totally hit her, and nobody was threatening him at the time. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though.
There's that guy from Redneck Revolt who bragged about brandishing a gun at him.

There's also the whole thing about his car being surrounded by NPCs like he was 5 star wanted in GTA
 
Leftists are against ID laws because it lets them pander to low iq poor people and continue to say that Republicans don't want them to vote and want them dead. They want as many people voting for them as possible, no matter the legality.

Everybody has an ID, they're needed to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, and a ton of other things, but for some reason it's only bad to require an ID to vote.
Hmm, well, let me try to offer the non-strawman version of the lefty position on voter ID from what I've heard in discussions on the matter.

Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.

Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops. So, in the end, voter ID laws probably would lower non-white voter turnout, in a roundabout way. Those same laws would also lower poor white voter turnout.

How much difficulty is acceptable? I don't know, to me, voter ID isn't unreasonable, but then, it actually can be legitimately a pain in the ass to get an ID for some people...

The REAL question, if we're trying to weigh this logically, is this: Does the lowered turnout due to voter ID laws have as much a "disenfranchising" effect as having your vote's value lowered due to lack of voter ID laws allowing fraudulent voting?

What good does it do me to be able to vote without difficulty if 10 other people can fraudulently vote without difficulty? My vote doesn't matter anymore in that scenario.
 
They only want to copy the universal healthcare and free college (both of which aren’t possible without help from the US military funding their defense).
In countries with universal health care everyone gets a health card, meaning you don't have to get a driver's licence to have ID. Since Democrats are the party of public transport users they'd hate voter ID even if their "fact-checkers" were right about illegal voting not happening.
 
Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops.

So the argument is actually that cullahed fokes be too lazy, so we have to lower the standards.

I resent being called a racist if this sort of argument is treated as valid.
 
Hmm, well, let me try to offer the non-strawman version of the lefty position on voter ID from what I've heard in discussions on the matter.

Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.

Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops. So, in the end, voter ID laws probably would lower non-white voter turnout, in a roundabout way. Those same laws would also lower poor white voter turnout.

How much difficulty is acceptable? I don't know, to me, voter ID isn't unreasonable, but then, it actually can be legitimately a pain in the ass to get an ID for some people...

The REAL question, if we're trying to weigh this logically, is this: Does the lowered turnout due to voter ID laws have as much a "disenfranchising" effect as having your vote's value lowered due to lack of voter ID laws allowing fraudulent voting?

What good does it do me to be able to vote without difficulty if 10 other people can fraudulently vote without difficulty? My vote doesn't matter anymore in that scenario.
I get what you're saying, and what you're saying is what the line normies of the DNC believe, but the elites and politicians are very much using it for power and votes.
 
Lol, isn't it kind of racist to assume that black and brown people wouldn't automatically have voter ID?
You want to drive a car? You need a driver's license.
You want to fish? You need a license. (In some states)
You want to go to another country? You need a passport.
You want to buy alcohol? You need ID.

They need to verify you if you want to do a lot of things. That's checks and balances.
 
Hmm, well, let me try to offer the non-strawman version of the lefty position on voter ID from what I've heard in discussions on the matter.

Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.

Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops. So, in the end, voter ID laws probably would lower non-white voter turnout, in a roundabout way. Those same laws would also lower poor white voter turnout.

How much difficulty is acceptable? I don't know, to me, voter ID isn't unreasonable, but then, it actually can be legitimately a pain in the ass to get an ID for some people...

The REAL question, if we're trying to weigh this logically, is this: Does the lowered turnout due to voter ID laws have as much a "disenfranchising" effect as having your vote's value lowered due to lack of voter ID laws allowing fraudulent voting?

What good does it do me to be able to vote without difficulty if 10 other people can fraudulently vote without difficulty? My vote doesn't matter anymore in that scenario.
Not to downplay troubles and am happy to discuss compromises on acquiring ID, but I am curious that if all that is too much trouble for some people, how is voting not too much trouble?


Anyway, I got a new investigation for Mueller.
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I am curious that if all that is too much trouble for some people, how is voting not too much trouble?

I loved watching people bitch about long lines at their polling places this last mid term election. If they truly cared about voting, they would have done some research on the process. 42 of 50 states have early voting. I only waited 10 minutes to vote a week before the November election day. You can also request an absentee ballot and say you're going to be on vacation, if your state requires a reason for it.

These people just want a reason to bitch and moan about the evil, white supremacist bigots using systemic racism to deprive the poor black PoC their right to vote. They have no problem advocating restrictions on your right to own a firearm though. Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
Hmm, well, let me try to offer the non-strawman version of the lefty position on voter ID from what I've heard in discussions on the matter.

Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.

Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops. So, in the end, voter ID laws probably would lower non-white voter turnout, in a roundabout way. Those same laws would also lower poor white voter turnout.

How much difficulty is acceptable? I don't know, to me, voter ID isn't unreasonable, but then, it actually can be legitimately a pain in the ass to get an ID for some people...

The REAL question, if we're trying to weigh this logically, is this: Does the lowered turnout due to voter ID laws have as much a "disenfranchising" effect as having your vote's value lowered due to lack of voter ID laws allowing fraudulent voting?

What good does it do me to be able to vote without difficulty if 10 other people can fraudulently vote without difficulty? My vote doesn't matter anymore in that scenario.

sorry but that's pure bullshit
3rd world shitholes require IDs for voting
rich scandi countries that democrats love require IDs for voting
somehow this seems to be a problem only for urban blacks in USA
 

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So the argument is actually that cullahed fokes be too lazy, so we have to lower the standards.

I resent being called a racist if this sort of argument is treated as valid.
Hah, that's one way to look at it, you're probably not far off for some of these people.

But if you look at it just as a statistics thing, it's not about "Those people are lazy" so much as "We know doing X will reduce turnout by Y". Yeah, people are lazy and stupid. The poor whites will be just as lazy.

Our political system has to work with stupid idiot flawed humans. So we have to take their stupid idiot flaws into consideration. Like I said, I'm not saying the argument is necessarily valid, because the step the left skips is looking at how much disenfranchisement occurs due to fraudulent voting, which obviously is the other side of the voter ID coin.
 
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