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Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.
You're correct that these are the usual talking points when someone tries to seem like they're not just crying about losing illegal votes when opposing voter ID laws, but these excuses are such a crock of shit.

Even in the shittiest urban centers, public transport exists, is cheap and can get the job done. Birth certificates can be ordered online or by mail from practically every county in the country and are similarly cheap. As others have said, organizations exist to help people who can't afford the meager fees. Obtaining an ID is trivial. Obtaining a voter ID will be similarly trivial for anyone entitled to one. I've yet to see any proposal for national voter IDs that didn't include provisions for helping the poor obtain one free of charge.
 
I have a question: how fucked is Trump for 2020 if the economy enters a recession in the next year or so?

Just as a quick thought off the top of my head, not very. It would have to be more like a "complete economic crash" to actually affect his popularity on the economy at this point I think, because if it's just a slight start to a recession, it's going to be heavily outweighed by peoples' memory of the last three years. Again, people are fickle but not quite that fickle, he'd have some momentum on the economy even if it took a dip.

You'd have to get back to five dollar a gallon gas for a drop to really hurt him with so little time left before the election. Besides at this point he can just spin it and point at all the hatemongering, fearmongering, and deliberate attempts to hurt people to make him look bad that the Democrats have been doing and blame it on them. Wouldn't change the minds of Democrat voters, they're not voting for him anyway (and at least half don't have minds to change), but it would probably be enough to keep him from bleeding a significant amount of his own support base.
 
I have a question: how fucked is Trump for 2020 if the economy enters a recession in the next year or so?
Well, that explains Twitter...
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Took them 3 years to figure out what Bill Clinton knew in the 90s: "It's the economy, stupid." Don't hit Trump on how he's evil and mean and racist and the rest of the litany we've heard ad nauseam, hit him on jobs and inflation and the national debt. Not saying that will work, since the economy is doing pretty ok at the moment, but it will be FAR more effective than screeching about trans abortions and russia.
 
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While everyone was busy blinking last week, the wall got 14 miles longer.
Noice.
Hey @It's HK-47, what do you think about the stock market today?
I'm watching people start to panic on /biz/ which is kind of funny, but I am not really an expert on the economy so I don't know if its derangment or if the economy actually is going to finally shit itself again after all those years from 2008.
 
Took them 3 years to figure out what Bill Clinton knew in the 90s: "It's the economy, stupid." Don't hit Trump on how he's evil and mean and racist and the rest of the litany we've heard ad nauseam, hit him on jobs and inflation and the national debt. Not saying that will work, since the economy is doing pretty ok at the moment, but it will be FAR more effective than screeching about trans abortions and russia.
Speaking of Russia
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Noice.
Hey @It's HK-47, what do you think about the stock market today?
I'm watching people start to panic on /biz/ which is kind of funny, but I am not really an expert on the economy so I don't know if its derangment or if the economy actually is going to finally shit itself again after all those years from 2008.
They're trying to make people think that #TrumpRecession is trending organically because that will evoke fear. Faith makes the economy work. Our economy is growing right now because people have faith Trump that isn't going to fuck things up. Their end goal is to cause people to stop spending money, to hoard what they have, and subsequently cause the economy to seize up.

Here's some charts:
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Wow, the DOW opened low today, that's not good! Let's look at it from a 5-day chart, though.

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Oh man, it's still down pretty low! That's scary! Let's panic and look at one year!

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Oh, that's.. Not even the lowest it's been this year. I guess we'll look at it since Trump got elected?

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OH WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING. They're just trying to frighten people. How the fuck could we be in or approaching a recession when our unemployment numbers practically don't exist and our stock market is almost more than double what it used to be? The entire concept is absurd on its face, but our media is full of activists instead of journalists and they've all been saying for awhile now that they would love to see an economic recession because they know it'd make Trump take a hit. Hell, people like Bill Mauer have said that, verbatim, on live television.

If we're in or approaching a recession right now then Obama's former term must have been some kind of mega-recession and Bush's was Actual Literally Hell.
 
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It's impressive, really. Russia is like a Schrodinger's Terror State. On one hand, they have fuck-ups in Salisbury, Ukraine and Syria, on another - they somehow managed to sneak past the most advanced security apparatus on the planet. I mean, Russian coders are a vestige of the Soviet math school and the Fancy Bear is more likely real than not but these dramatic descriptions do not help the point Democratic Party is trying to parade about.

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Hmm, well, let me try to offer the non-strawman version of the lefty position on voter ID from what I've heard in discussions on the matter.

Poor people in urban settings are less likely to own a car than middle class people in suburban settings. Thus, the main reason to always have an ID is removed for some of these people.
Racial demographics show that anything that disproportionately affects poor people in urban settings automatically means it disproportionately affects non white people.
On top of that, you've got the difficulties involved in getting an id. For example, getting to the town hall in the town where you were born(trickier without a car), paying the small fee for the birth certificate, getting to the DMV, and paying for an ID.

Now of course, none of that is insurmountable, but it's not unreasonable to expect some people to say "fuck it" to jumping through those hoops. So, in the end, voter ID laws probably would lower non-white voter turnout, in a roundabout way. Those same laws would also lower poor white voter turnout.

How much difficulty is acceptable? I don't know, to me, voter ID isn't unreasonable, but then, it actually can be legitimately a pain in the ass to get an ID for some people...

The REAL question, if we're trying to weigh this logically, is this: Does the lowered turnout due to voter ID laws have as much a "disenfranchising" effect as having your vote's value lowered due to lack of voter ID laws allowing fraudulent voting?

What good does it do me to be able to vote without difficulty if 10 other people can fraudulently vote without difficulty? My vote doesn't matter anymore in that scenario.

The real problem is that since you have to show ID, the police can potentially snag you on your outstanding warrants.
A real G never tells people what he's up to.
 
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