Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[TJ-Weber]

Probably because Todd dumped every text correspondence he had with Pridemore probably the day of the allegations and couldn't remove it fast enough for everyone to read it and realize that Pridemore is actually a mentally unstable twit who had mutually black-out drunk sex with Todd.

Vic wasn't as cynical to do the same with the correspondences with his so-called friends.

Damn, I vageuly remember this, do you have a link to an archive of this?

 

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Even their name is as idiotic and lacking in self-awareness as them.
Its named after the benghazi trials, which, regardles of how complacent or not you feel hilary clinton was in the attack, involved actual violence and multiple deaths. Like really, a tad overdramatic and insensitive to use that term isn't it?
'Gamergate' is obviously based on corruption scandals using -gate like watergate, so it sort of makes sense, albeit cringy. Which why a term like Weeb Wars is much better than animegate.

I was around when they formed.

I vaguely remember that the stance back then was that GamerGate was just a conspiracy theory by conservative Gamers. This was before they solidified the narrative that it was a bunch of sexist assholes who just hated stunning and brave wamyns wot did nuffin wrong. At the same time, the left around that era considered Benghazi to be a conspiracy theory because the idea that Our Most Holy on High, She who Shall Guide us into the Utopia, Saintess Hillary Clinton (IT WAS HER TURN) could have have fucked up Benghazi so bad that it got people killed was unfathomable, ergo it had to be a conspiracy theory.

Ergo, you had GamerGhazi. It was some very stupid people trying to be condescendingly smug and dismissive.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Think I remember reading something about how he used to be down in the dumps struggling to make ends meet before he got the chance to do the voice of Goku so the guy probably has some kind of deep seated fear of being replaced one day and being forced back into obscurity because out of all the roles he's done in anime and video games Goku is the only one that's worth a damn...and I'm sure he knows it. The guy has even gone as far as to try and block other voices of Goku from coming to conventions because he thinks himself as the one and only definitive voice of Goku.
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There was also one time when the fans wanted the Ocean Dub Goku VA (guy in the pic above) to do the voice of Goku Black after they got Brian Drummond (the Ocean Dub VA for Vegeta) to reprise his role for Copy Vegeta. Sean obviously didn't like that one bit since he's the only one worthy of voicing Goku in any shape or form apparently.View attachment 895734

Ok the last part imma debunk abit. Sean was always going to voice Goku Black as Nozawa has done the same and Sabat does want the series to be consistent to the sub version. The Drummond being Copy Vegeta was just fun little easter egg as even in the sub Copy Vegeta to my knowledge wasn't voiced by Ryo Horikawa

 

[Random Internet Person]

0 clue as to whether it was posted on the thread yet, but terez made a post about 11 days ago on the r/dbz subreddit regarding super part 2. Once again, it is confirmed funimation has no knowledge of any continuation to the series. Most of you won't care, but I think this might indicate that Toei might have other plans with who holds their English dubbing rights. Of course, It could just as easily turn out to be nothing.

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If Toei wanted to change dubbers, wouldn’t we have heard of it by now?

 

[WrenchWring]

I think if the TCPA gets struck down, they'll settle so she doesn't have to get on a stand and say she never really investigated anything.

In fact, I'm going to bet money that once the TCPA fails we hear Funi go into settlement and throw moronica and jamie under the bus.... to appease papa Toei.

There are so, so many reasons why Funimation is most likely going to settle immediately if the TCPA fails. They're going to settle so that Denbow doesn't get deposed and reveal their invesitgation was a sham. They're going to settle so that Toei doesn't look west and see their properties being tarnished by association. They're going to settle because Sony is breathing down their neck, looking for weakness and reasons to liquidate them. They're going to settle to avoid the risk of having it be decided in a court of law that their "independent contractors" are actually employees, giving the IRS a reason to tear them apart looking for tax fraud. They're going to settle because no company wants their internal communications dragged out in discovery; there's going to be something that we don't even know about that they don't want anyone to see.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Even their name is as idiotic and lacking in self-awareness as them.
Its named after the benghazi trials, which, regardles of how complacent or not you feel hilary clinton was in the attack, involved actual violence and multiple deaths. Like really, a tad overdramatic and insensitive to use that term isn't it?
'Gamergate' is obviously based on corruption scandals using -gate like watergate, so it sort of makes sense, albeit cringy. Which why a term like Weeb Wars is much better than animegate.

Agree on the 'ghazi' part. I guess they felt if they did that, they'd be invited to the adult table.

And wouldn't Comicsgayte be more proper?

 

[BrandedEagle]

If Toei wanted to change dubbers, wouldn’t we have heard of it by now?

You assume Toei and japanese studios are exceptional enough to spill their spaghetti/plans everytime they're angry. They aren't. They can keep their gripes quiet until the time is right then rather than scream with righteous fury strike with furious indignation.

There are so, so many reasons why Funimation is most likely going to settle immediately if the TCPA fails. They're going to settle so that Denbow doesn't get deposed and reveal their invesitgation was a sham. They're going to settle so that Toei doesn't look west and see their properties being tarnished by association. They're going to settle because Sony is breathing down their neck, looking for weakness and reasons to liquidate them. They're going to settle to avoid the risk of having it be decided in a court of law that their "independent contractors" are actually employees, giving the IRS a reason to tear them apart looking for tax fraud. They're going to settle because no company wants their internal communications dragged out in discovery; there's going to be something that we don't even know about that they don't want anyone to see.

I do have to disagree with the sony aspect of things. Sony recently moved to california and thus must be considered to be as exceptional as ron toye.

 

[GeneralMint]

If Toei wanted to change dubbers, wouldn’t we have heard of it by now?

Not sure what the deal they have with Funi is. Might be a contract. At the end of which they may opt to with with a less exceptional localization company. I certainly wouldn't keep working with a company that shit the bed this bad.

 

[quickthrowaway]

Ok the last part imma debunk abit. Sean was always going to voice Goku Black as Nozawa has done the same and Sabat does want the series to be consistent to the sub version. The Drummond being Copy Vegeta was just fun little easter egg as even in the sub Copy Vegeta to my knowledge wasn't voiced by Ryo Horikawa

Sabat has also said he felt more open to change things in the dubbed version because so many had already watched the subbed version. He said it on an AMA thread on Reddit. Schemmel also said he doesn't listen to Nozawa's performance in that same thread. So no, they weren't looking to make it "consistent with the sub." They cared about staying true to the sub during Kai but they stopped caring again after that.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

If Toei wanted to change dubbers, wouldn’t we have heard of it by now?

Because Toei doesn't want a shitstorm/FUNi REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing that they are trying to manipulate the courts. Wait till the lawsuit ends before ripping the license from them.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

There are so, so many reasons why Funimation is most likely going to settle immediately if the TCPA fails. They're going to settle so that Denbow doesn't get deposed and reveal their invesitgation was a sham. They're going to settle so that Toei doesn't look west and see their properties being tarnished by association. They're going to settle because Sony is breathing down their neck, looking for weakness and reasons to liquidate them. They're going to settle to avoid the risk of having it be decided in a court of law that their "independent contractors" are actually employees, giving the IRS a reason to tear them apart looking for tax fraud. They're going to settle because no company wants their internal communications dragged out in discovery; there's going to be something that we don't even know about that they don't want anyone to see.

Funimation will try to settle, but it's possible that they won't be willing to settle enough.

You've said that if they don't settle:

1. They'll depose Denbow and determine their "investigation" to have failed to follow basic standards as per Texas,
2. Toei will see their properties being tarnished by association,
3. they may be found to be incorrectly classifying their employees,
4. they'll be forced to present their internal communications,
5. there might be worse things than what we know presently, and
6. Sony is presently trying to catch them lacking so they can dissolve them,

But Plaintiff charges that it was not only principally Rial, Marchi, and Toye, but also Funimation that had a hand in defaming him-- the death overall may have been by a thousand cuts as everyone dogpiled him, either deluded or equally malicious, but the buck started with them. The only favorable settlement in terms of the public apology and retractions they will be making is them admitting that they were full of crap and stabbed Vic in the back:

• Rial and Marchi are likely going to have to say something to the effect of "[they] made diametrically and categorically false allegations against Vic, capitalizing on the acquired autistic fujoshi rage that had been bubbling against Vic for years because try as he might to make his fans' experiences optimal he personally cannot stomach illustrations of two guys sticking it in each other's poopers", at minimum.
• Toye will likely have to say something to the effect of "[he] was enough of a lapdog that he was willing to use his company as leverage to get at least one convention to commit a tort by breaching their contracts with Vic, and slandered and libeled his name everywhere-- implying that he was under criminal investigation for being a sexual predator, among other things-- thus not only ruining his contracted work, but even the possibility of work."
• Funimation will likely have to say something to the effect of "we didn't even follow basic workplace investigation guidelines as per the state of Texas when we ousted this man from his work, we didn't follow our own termination protocols, we fired him for vaguely inappropriate but consensual encounters with adult women (and also an incident that wasn't even vaguely sexual), we very much implied that he was fired for being a sexual predator and never corrected the record despite the amount of time we had to do it, and-- despite wrangling our 'contractors' constantly-- we never thought to muzzle our other workers from defaming the man we fired".

I guess they wouldn't have to worry too much about 1) if they settled immediately-- Sony could just take Denbow out and tell her about the rabbits. Whether or not Funimation contractors are actually employees is more a sub-objective since it's already on record that they wrangle them enough that any assertions of not controlling the speech of their employees as it pertains to this situation is bollocks, so they could also get out of 3).

But that's it. They've still brought dishonor to Toei, and unless they're the nexus of Pedowood, more than enough damage is done to them in basically saying that they were horrible people who may as well have given him a noose as a severance gift. And, either way, Plaintiff's getting paid. All of that alone is going to give Sony good incentive to dissolve Funimation.

It doesn't mean they're not going to settle-- they probably will, all the same, just to at least get out with the clothes on their back. But if they can't win on TCPA, it doesn't matter if they settle or not when it comes to their ultimate fate and the damage they incurred themselves.

And if they do, the rest of the defendants fall like dominoes, since they kept leaning on the super sekrit investigation.

 

[Allanon]

The problem with Funimation settling is that Vic gets to set the terms of the settlement. As pointed out, the court can't order Funimation to spam 'SABAT IS A RAT' on their twitter and then do synchronized hop circles outside their building, but a settlement can include that as a part of it. And since everyone basically knows you can demand anything in settlement, simple apologies will mean less via settlement than the court proving they're liars. Also, Vic isn't interested in humiliating them.

Terms of settlement will likely include:

All relevant discovery that can help in the civil conspiracy and lawsuits against the others.
Renewed contract with Vic restoring his previous jobs and ensuring he will continue to voice act (this is very important to Vic)
Some kind of assurance they won't commit further TI with conventions, like revealing info on those who orchestrated that
Flipping on Sabat
Using their connections to restore his relationships with other companies they intentionally poisoned

Terms they could include if Vic is feeling vindictive:

Severing their business relationships with Sabat, Rial, Marchi and co
Giving Vic a more Sabat-like role in the company going forward
First pick on choice roles for new dubs
Publicly publishing embarrassing information or statements about the conspirators
Funimation personally running a PR campaign for Vic to help his reputation

Thus, while it's more expensive to keep fighting, there's some reasons why Funimation might choose to be stubborn and burn through money and goodwill instead. If they lose the case they'll be forced to pay Vic millions, but they won't be forced to employ him. If they settle the case, they may be forced to pay less, but they'll probably be forced to employ him again. And burn a lot of bridges with the people who got him fired in the first place.

Come on, that dub is pretty shitty in terms of dialogue. I can't deny that all voices are done quite well, but I think J. Michael Tatum did a pretty bad job at writing the Steins;Gate screenplay. On a side note, why do all of these people have the first initial thing going on? J. Sean, R. Bruce, and J. Michael to name a few.

I'd argue while it's a poor translation, it's a good localization. Many terms were changed in it, but it was primarily to change the style of characters from 2ch/netizens to 4chan/gamer nerds. While not faithful, that meant the intention of the writing (and the characters being identifiable/recognizable as online-savvy loser kids their age) was better preserved.

 

[Random Internet Person]

There are so, so many reasons why Funimation is most likely going to settle immediately if the TCPA fails. They're going to settle so that Denbow doesn't get deposed and reveal their invesitgation was a sham. They're going to settle so that Toei doesn't look west and see their properties being tarnished by association. They're going to settle because Sony is breathing down their neck, looking for weakness and reasons to liquidate them. They're going to settle to avoid the risk of having it be decided in a court of law that their "independent contractors" are actually employees, giving the IRS a reason to tear them apart looking for tax fraud. They're going to settle because no company wants their internal communications dragged out in discovery; there's going to be something that we don't even know about that they don't want anyone to see.

While I still think that corporate overlords won’t intervene until some assistant/intern is able to break it down to them in terms of bottom line, I think that any Funimation settlement might ride on terms of settlement. While Funimation might not double down, they may leave the table if they have to testify against their VAs or disclose how they operate in certain areas. It’s unlikely there’ll be a Roy Mustang or Maes Hughes type that’s investigating things on their own and either feeding stuff to Nick or reaches out to Ty and go on record, I’m still thinking that any discovery on Funimation’s part would just focus on Vic alone and taxes and shit might not even enter play. Funimation has come across as the most professional (Casey has also come across decently to me as a guy who’s having to deal with his clients putting their feet down with every move they make), so if their lawyers come into play here, it’ll probably be because of arguing over what constitutes a satisfactory settlement and maybe Vic’s future relationship with them.

 

[Stoneheart]

If Toei wanted to change dubbers, wouldn’t we have heard of it by now?

Funi doesnt have an exclusive contract. Toei can just give out another license for an english dub.
Super had another english dub in the begining.

 

[GeneralMint]

While I still think that corporate overlords won’t intervene until some assistant/intern is able to break it down to them in terms of bottom line, I think that any Funimation settlement might ride on terms of settlement. While Funimation might not double down, they may leave the table if they have to testify against their VAs or disclose how they operate in certain areas. It’s unlikely there’ll be a Roy Mustang or Maes Hughes type that’s investigating things on their own and either feeding stuff to Nick or reaches out to Ty and go on record, I’m still thinking that any discovery on Funimation’s part would just focus on Vic alone and taxes and shit might not even enter play. Funimation has come across as the most professional (Casey has also come across decently to me as a guy who’s having to deal with his clients putting their feet down with every move they make), so if their lawyers come into play here, it’ll probably be because of arguing over what constitutes a satisfactory settlement and maybe Vic’s future relationship with them.

Funi is part of Sony and Sony didnt get that huge and rich by being stupid. Funi knows theyre fucked. They are goung through the TCPA because it would be foolish not to. They're rolling the dice hoping it'll work because its a free roll of the dice. When it fails, as Ive said before, I think there is a good chance settlement talks begin the moment the gavel hits the bench.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

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What an idiot. And this is the guy who Nick wants to meet in person

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[DrunkJoe]

Funi is going to double down. They are run by leftist morons without much business sense. Leftists cannot admit they were wrong.

 

[Stoneheart]

What an idiot. And this is the guy who Nick wants to meet in person

why did ty quote that useless chink?

 

[BrandedEagle]

The problem with Funimation settling is that Vic gets to set the terms of the settlement. As pointed out, the court can't order Funimation to spam 'SABAT IS A RAT' on their twitter and then do synchronized hop circles outside their building, but a settlement can include that as a part of it. And since everyone basically knows you can demand anything in settlement, simple apologies will mean less via settlement than the court proving they're liars. Also, Vic isn't interested in humiliating them.

Terms of settlement will likely include:

All relevant discovery that can help in the civil conspiracy and lawsuits against the others.
Renewed contract with Vic restoring his previous jobs and ensuring he will continue to voice act (this is very important to Vic)
Some kind of assurance they won't commit further TI with conventions, like revealing info on those who orchestrated that
Flipping on Sabat
Using their connections to restore his relationships with other companies they intentionally poisoned

Terms they could include if Vic is feeling vindictive:

Severing their business relationships with Sabat, Rial, Marchi and co
Giving Vic a more Sabat-like role in the company going forward
First pick on choice roles for new dubs
Publicly publishing embarrassing information or statements about the conspirators
Funimation personally running a PR campaign for Vic to help his reputation

Thus, while it's more expensive to keep fighting, there's some reasons why Funimation might choose to be stubborn and burn through money and goodwill instead. If they lose the case they'll be forced to pay Vic millions, but they won't be forced to employ him. If they settle the case, they may be forced to pay less, but they'll probably be forced to employ him again. And burn a lot of bridges with the people who got him fired in the first place.



I'd argue while it's a poor translation, it's a good localization. Many terms were changed in it, but it was primarily to change the style of characters from 2ch/netizens to 4chan/gamer nerds. While not faithful, that meant the intention of the writing (and the characters being identifiable/recognizable as online-savvy loser kids their age) was better preserved.

You're wrong about being forced to employ vic. Toei has the ability to force VA's into roles against the wishes of Sabat, who owns the studio DBZ is voiced in. If Toei pushed it, with a loss under Funi's belt, they could force Funi to employ Vic again and they can really only refuse to dub DBZ in response which... do I need to say how much money they'd lose?

 

[Hakuba Gaijin]

There are so, so many reasons why Funimation is most likely going to settle immediately if the TCPA fails. They're going to settle so that Denbow doesn't get deposed and reveal their invesitgation was a sham. They're going to settle so that Toei doesn't look west and see their properties being tarnished by association. They're going to settle because Sony is breathing down their neck, looking for weakness and reasons to liquidate them. They're going to settle to avoid the risk of having it be decided in a court of law that their "independent contractors" are actually employees, giving the IRS a reason to tear them apart looking for tax fraud. They're going to settle because no company wants their internal communications dragged out in discovery; there's going to be something that we don't even know about that they don't want anyone to see.

Vic has to want to settle though. Obviously I don't know what he is thinking, but I have to imagine him glancing around twitter and still seeing the likes of Armzgurl and other Pull maniacs still wanting to fuck with his future earning capacity and thinking 'I've got to push the laws suit for all I can get'.

Unfortunately for him, no matter how this case ends up, there are always going to spiteful catlady cuntz in his future.