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[VZ 467]

True. Just to clarify, in January Adam posted private messages between him and Todd to prove that Todd wasn't too fond of Vic. That's where that screenshot came from. This has probably all been archived and posted already, but will do it again, just in case.

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Is he claiming these are from Jessie Pridemore? I am having a hard time reading his english.
"I know Todd is not a Vic fan so this could have been moment to step up and publicly address things he’s seen. But he did not. Instead he went after Jessie. Easy target: already being attacked online, has screenshots of private conversations, it happened a while ago. "

The last sentence is confusing me. Who is the easy target who has screenshots of private conversations. Jessie or Todd.

Odd, it appears to have come as a counter reaction to this:

Adam Sheehan on Twitter

“I know Todd is not a Vic fan so this could have been moment to step up and publicly address things he’s seen. But he did not. Instead he went after Jessie. Easy target: already being attacked online, has screenshots of private conversations, it happened a while ago.”

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Adam Sheehan on Twitter

“Earlier today @ToddHaberkorn made a response to @jessiepridemore’s post regarding an incident with @vicmignogna. #kickvic https://t.co/nkDtCUSaGZ He decided to include me in this response so I wanted to help add to the narrative.”

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The facebook link he references is disabled or can not be shown.

HAH, thank you way back machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190201085809/https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10217214343366123&id=1097136424

Adam Sheehan 🔜 Crunchyroll Expo on Twitter

“I know Todd is not a Vic fan so this could have been moment to step up and publicly address things he’s seen. But he did not. Instead he went after Jessie. Easy target: already being attacked online, has screenshots of private conversations, it happened a while ago.”

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In regards to the photo showing Todd's statement on May 19th; the twitter post is dated 31. Jan at 14:52. Which means these messages were from 2018, since no YEAR is listed in the message, IF REAL. Big IF. Which it would have if it was from a previous year.

But if these screenshots were taken in 2019, then.....it should say a year there along with may 19th. Are these fake?
Messenger, which appears to be what is used, will date things as follow for things that are old af.

Example: 28th August. 2018, time: 05:30 pm

I have no belief that Adam Sheehan, screenshots everything willy-nilly about Vic stuff in MAY 2018 for no reason at all. Unless ya' know, civil conspiracy.

Well then, no energy shall be spent looking into the 2011 cons then. These are fake.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Thanks for the answer. Had a feelng this was probably bullshit. Sucks that Todd was spreading a (potentially) false story. Complicated friendship alright...

Not to mention that this, um, woman
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is the one who's Montello's friend and who claims to know the pregnant staffer that Vic brought to tears. She also claimed that Vic sexually harassed her and all her friends at a con...

If it looks like a snake, believing it is a mistake.

 

[SkyclAdoBsErveR]

The new RWBY manga at least looks promising. Hopefully that will survive.

I haven't been a fan of RWBY since Vol2 seeing as Vol3 took a huge turn and it seems to still be going in that direction. But there are currently two manga going side by side, one of them is released in paperback and is basically just the show on paper and then there's the VIZ/Shonen Jump version that seems to have already rebooted RWBY and made changes to vol1 already by removing the silver eyes thing and removing Cinder from the opening. Hopefully the changes continue, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

I even saw someone unironically say that RWBY is a LGBT exclusive show, and the cis straightes aren’t allowed to watch.

And this is why the wokest go the brokest.

And they're not even necessarily wrong: the "fans" may be rowing it in that direction, but the captain still steers the ship.

I hate to use the cringe-words, but this is what happens when you cater to T O X I C communities like that hand-and-foot. (foot-and-mouth?)

 

[Allanon]

Red flag: the blacked out convention being mentioned is 'ACEN'. You know, the one these liars all congregate around with their lies.

Anime Central 2012 Information | FanCons.com

Anime Central 2012 convention at Hyatt Regency O'Hare / Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont, IL on April 27-29, 2012. Learn more at FanCons.com.

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Has both Vic and Todd.

https://kiwifarms.st/attachments/adam4-png.900940/

'this weekend' the week of May 19th

Anime Central 2019 Information | AnimeCons.com

Anime Central 2019 convention at Donald E. Stephens Convention Center / Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Rosemont, IL on May 17-19, 2019. Learn more at AnimeCons.com.

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ACEN would have been going through this. (same in 2008 )

It's only 6 years, though, because Todd attended ACEN in 2010 and 2012 only. Not 2011. Vic also didn't attend ACEN in 2011.

 

[Private Pyle]

And this is why the wokest go the brokest.

And they're not even necessarily wrong: the "fans" may be rowing it in that direction, but the captain still steers the ship.

I hate to use the cringe-words, but this is what happens when you cater to T O X I C communities like that hand-and-foot. (foot-and-mouth?)

This basically sums up Western animation fandoms as a whole since 2010. And it’s just getting even more toxic, with content creators all too happy to cater to them.

 

[SkyclAdoBsErveR]

And pigs fly.

There is literally nothing on Ellation's website about the show anymore. Or any other site Warner owns.

The rumor I heard was that Warner simply unceremoniously fired all the dangerhairs set to work on it. There was indeed a layoff after the purchase went through.

I wonder if WB found out that some of those dangerhairs were known con artists and then proceeded heave-ho them out the building?

 

[EriMin]

Hello Kiwis! Just dropped by to say 'hi'! Also wanted to so thank you for all the advice, comments, and general entertainment! Somehow 400~ people are following me on Twitter. I realize it's not over 9,000 or anything but considering I had 6 followers before this all started I'm surprised and amused at the increase. I posted some small bonus content on top of my usual Con Story post for today. I'm also putting out feelers to see if anyone still wants to talk to me. I know I'm a bit old news but I thought it would be fun to show up on someone's YT stream to say 'hi' and maybe talk in person about all this stuff.

Anyways, have a great day!

 

[VZ 467]

Red flag: the blacked out convention being mentioned is 'ACEN'. You know, the one these liars all congregate around with their lies.

Anime Central 2012 Information | FanCons.com

Anime Central 2012 convention at Hyatt Regency O'Hare / Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont, IL on April 27-29, 2012. Learn more at FanCons.com.

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Has both Vic and Todd.

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'this weekend' the week of May 19th

Anime Central 2019 Information | AnimeCons.com

Anime Central 2019 convention at Donald E. Stephens Convention Center / Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Rosemont, IL on May 17-19, 2019. Learn more at AnimeCons.com.

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ACEN would have been going through this.

It's only 6 years, though, because Todd attended ACEN in 2010 and 2012 only. Not 2011. Vic also didn't attend ACEN in 2011.

So glad you found a big con that matches, cause I was looking at the cons I was finding and thinking 'well these aren't big enough for the nutjobs to partake or lavish their attention on'.

Ahhh yess, here we get a lovely who is who of KV.

Spoiler: Guest-List

• Asuka - Fashion Designer - Angelic Pretty
• John Bivens - Artist / Writer
• Johnny Yong Bosch - Voice Actor
• Christine Marie Cabanos - Voice Actress
• Chris Cason - Voice Actor / Director / Writer - FUNimation Entertainment
• Jillian Coglan - Martial Arts Expert
• Samurai Dan Coglan - Martial Arts Expert
• Eyeshine - Band
• Gashicon - Fashion Designer
• Todd Haberkorn - Voice Actor
• Masashi Hamauzu - Composer
• Steve Horton - Comic Writer
• Imeruat - Musical Performers
• Yasuhiro Koshi - Actor / Advisor - Big Fighter Project
• Russell Lissau - Writer
• LM.C - Band
• Maki - Fashion Designer - Angelic Pretty
• Jamie Marchi - Voice Actress
• Eric Maruscak - Illustrator / Cartoonist
• Joel McDonald - ADR Director / Voice Actor
• Mike McFarland - Voice Actor / Director / Line Producer
• Vic Mignogna - Voice Actor
• Cassandra Lee Morris - Voice Actress
• Trevor A. Mueller - Web Comic Creator
• Brina Palencia - Voice Actress / Singer
• RinRin - Model - Angelic Pretty
• Iruma Rioka - Singer
• Chris Sabat - Voice Actor
• Ian Sinclair - Voice Actor / Director
• Sixh.IBI - Fashion Designer
• Cristina Vee - Voice Actress
• Video Game Orchestra - Musicians
• Shinichi Watanabe - Director
• Travis Willingham - Voice Actor

So *thoughtful emoji here* Least the messages match something. I am still curious though, if these screenshots were taken in 2018. Was the Todd vs Pridemore stuff stirring already back then? Or did it hit full force in Jan. It would help in determining when the screenshots were from.

 

[Allanon]

Okay, guys. What if all of those Todd messages are faked?

Look: "Todd" states that 'that was 7 years ago' in his stilted message that conveniently backed up a stupid story about Vic making a pregnant woman cry, but that would HAVE to have been written in 2018, which would have made it '6' years ago. But it would be 7 to some idiot trying to do the math in 2019 for his fake post.

AND. "Todd" says that 'three big conventions just canceled him' in a DM conveniently missing a date, one of them being 'Anime Matsuri', which never happened. Another error. So there's two weird errors, stilted dialog written like it's meant to be seen, and the date mistake. Did ANY of these DMs actually happen?

Hello Kiwis! Just dropped by to say 'hi'! Also wanted to so thank you for all the advice, comments, and general entertainment! Somehow 400~ people are following me on Twitter. I realize it's not over 9,000 or anything but considering I had 6 followers before this all started I'm surprised and amused at the increase. I posted some small bonus content on top of my usual Con Story post for today. I'm also putting out feelers to see if anyone still wants to talk to me. I know I'm a bit old news but I thought it would be fun to show up on someone's YT stream to say 'hi' and maybe talk in person about all this stuff.

Anyways, have a great day!

I for one think it would be cool if you, or you + Stan came on Nick's show one night. A stream about cons from the perspective of con runners who aren't liars would be pretty cool. So far the only 'con staff' on stream was Shane, and Shane is an idiot who admitted to horrible things in the process of flexing his supposed con experience.

 

[VZ 467]

Okay, guys. What if all of those Todd messages are faked?

Look: "Todd" states that 'that was 7 years ago' in his stilted message that conveniently backed up a stupid story about Vic making a pregnant woman cry, but that would HAVE to have been written in 2018, which would have made it '6' years ago. But it would be 7 to some idiot trying to do the math in 2019 for his fake post.

AND. "Todd" says that 'three big conventions just canceled him' in a DM conveniently missing a date, one of them being 'Anime Matsuri', which never happened. Another error. So there's two weird errors, stilted dialog written like it's meant to be seen, and the date mistake. Did ANY of these DMs actually happen?



I for one think it would be cool if you, or you + Stan came on Nick's show one night. A stream about cons from the perspective of con runners who aren't liars would be pretty cool. So far the only 'con staff' on stream was Shane, and Shane is an idiot who admitted to horrible things in the process of flexing his supposed con experience.

IF they happened, they would have to be screenshotted in 2018. They are using messenger. I have a massively hard time thinking someone pre-emptively screenshots conversations 32 days in advance to use in something like this unless they know a shitstorm is coming.

 

[Far Queue]

I have no belief that Adam Sheehan, screenshots everything willy-nilly about Vic stuff in MAY 2018 for no reason at all. Unless ya' know, civil conspiracy.

Normally I'd write it off as coincidence, but Adam did submit an affidavit for Ron and Monica (p. 342 of Rial and Toye's TCPA Motion) and it's nothing but petty mean girl crap that's almost certainly inadmissible in a court of law, but would play nicely with the usual idiots in the court of public opinion. He certainly comes off as the type whose diminutive member has swollen into a massive hate boner with regards to Vic, but if he did do it in 2018 he'd need some reason for it. He'd have to be egregiously hateful to do so without a more immediate reason.

This is something that needs a lot of additional research, and I'm still a little fuzzy on it because the focus has been on more recent events. However, according to the io9 article (archive) there was a summer 2018 FUNImation investigation into Vic that was inconclusive. That states the investigation was started by two people connected with the project, and I'm not sure if Adam is in any way. Monica is very likely one of the two people, but if she asked Adam for an affidavit in 2019, she could have certainly asked him for something in 2018.

How likely this is as opposed to fake screenshots I'm not certain, but it does offer some possible explanation of why Adam Sheehan might have taken screenshots in 2018 when it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to have done so. Releasing fakes in a very public manner seems like a bad idea in general, especially when you're also giving the other person who would have been involved in the conversation a reason to dispute them, so I'm inclined to believe that they're real. Otherwise he'd need to have Todd completely under this thumb and that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

True. Just to clarify, in January Adam posted private messages between him and Todd to prove that Todd wasn't too fond of Vic. That's where that screenshot came from. This has probably all been archived and posted already, but will do it again, just in case.

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Imagine being this much of a scumbag to do this. He doesn't just use this to prove that Vic and Todd aren't really friends but he also uses this to defend Thotmore FOR SOME REASON. Even worse you're putting private messages out when there is supposed to be PRIVATE and people on twitter love to take things out of context

 

[Allanon]

IF they happened, they would have to be screenshotted in 2018. They are using messenger. I have a massively hard time thinking someone pre-emptively screenshots conversations 32 days in advance to use in something like this unless they know a shitstorm is coming.

It's even more damning. They had to be in 2018, but Todd says 'that was 7 years ago now'. It was 7 years ago in January when Adam posted that. It was barely 6 years ago when the message would have been dated. The dating format is wrong for someone screenshotting it in 2019, the date is wrong for them to have said it in 2019, and the timeframe Todd cites is wrong for it to have happened in 2018, as it would have had to.

At this point, as this was posted at the HEIGHT of the conspiracy, I'm far more inclined to believe those texts are faked as a part of the civil conspiracy, banking on Todd being too afraid to speak up about it because of his own #metoo attack, than that Adam screenshotted it a year ago for no reason and Todd got the years mixed up.

 

[Friend computer]

About this Todd thing, remember during Vics deposition when he had to think, and ended up saying they were cool, but with some reservations.

I think it is just that they are competing for the same jobs, so have surely been some bad blood and underhanded stuff happened in the background, but all in all it is probably professional competitiveness.

And Todd hired the same lawyer probably after talk with each other.

So I dont think Todd has turned on him or anything.

 

[EriMin]

I for one think it would be cool if you, or you + Stan came on Nick's show one night. A stream about cons from the perspective of con runners who aren't liars would be pretty cool. So far the only 'con staff' on stream was Shane, and Shane is an idiot who admitted to horrible things in the process of flexing his supposed con experience.

It would be cool to go on Rekieta's show but he streams while I'm at work so the timeslot would have to be a Saturday or Sunday in the US. Also, I totally feel like I'm not interesting enough to be on with Rekieta. He's got a certain charisma that I lack, lol.

 

[I can't imagine]

It's even more damning. They had to be in 2018, but Todd says 'that was 7 years ago now'. It was 7 years ago in January when Adam posted that. It was barely 6 years ago when the message would have been dated. The dating format is wrong for someone screenshotting it in 2019, the date is wrong for them to have said it in 2019, and the timeframe Todd cites is wrong for it to have happened in 2018, as it would have had to.

At this point, as this was posted at the HEIGHT of the conspiracy, I'm far more inclined to believe those texts are faked as a part of the civil conspiracy, banking on Todd being too afraid to speak up about it because of his own #metoo attack, than that Adam screenshotted it a year ago for no reason and Todd got the years mixed up.

Not that I disagree these might be faked, but not remembering whether something happened 6 years ago or 7 years ago is hardly impossible. Just yesterday, I remembered something as having happened 12 years ago, only to find out it happened 10 years ago.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

About this Todd thing, remember during Vics deposition when he had to think, and ended up saying they were cool, but with some reservations.

I think it is just that they are competing for the same jobs, so have surely been some bad blood and underhanded stuff happened in the background, but all in all it is probably professional competitiveness.

And Todd hired the same lawyer probably after talk with each other.

So I dont think Todd has turned on him or anything.

I honestly think those two aren't friends. As Vic describes their relationship and had to think about it, I feel that Todd just doesn't like that. He said several times that the only reason he came out during the whole Pridemore situation was to save his own skin and it had nothing to do with Vic

 

[Allanon]

Another thing about the Todd DMs. Vic was never slotted to go to Matsuri in 2018, so Matsuri 'canceling him', had to have been in 2019. This is wrong, obviously, but consider the rest of that stilted convo. Todd randomly brings up Vic's 'new girlfriend' (who I think has been deconfirmed now?), and Adam - who should be in the know about this - isn't aware that Vic and Michelle are broken up. Even though they broke up a year ago.

It's just a convenient way to slag Vic by bringing up that he broke up with Michelle and say 'it was a long time coming' and then suggest he's dating 'a fangirl', ignoring that he met Michelle at a con, too. Look at the flow of conversation here. You could argue that it's a continuation of the 'May' conversation (which makes it fake) but that would mean that he included a big chunk of a random conversation from a year ago and then just randomly included Todd going 'dude WOW' about the 'Vic thing' from January.

My conclusion:

The ACEN part of the conversation is fake because the dates make no sense.
The Matsuri part of the conversation is fake because Matsuri never cancelled and otherwise the convo literally has no purpose to snippet.
The convo about his girlfriend is fake because it's either part of the fake ACEN convo or it's part of the fake Matsuri conversation.

All the Todd DMs are either fake or manipulated, making them as good as fake.

It would be cool to go on Rekieta's show but he streams while I'm at work so the timeslot would have to be a Saturday or Sunday in the US. Also, I totally feel like I'm not interesting enough to be on with Rekieta. He's got a certain charisma that I lack, lol.

Nick has shifted his stream slot or done a second stream before when guests are interesting enough, and personally I think you would be. Especially getting to tell some stories about the atmosphere in cons, your experience with Vic and the others involved, and other stuff. It's been slow as we wait for TCPA, so I'm sure if you make an offer Nick will likely take you up on it.

Not that I disagree these might be faked, but not remembering whether something happened 6 years ago or 7 years ago is hardly impossible. Just yesterday, I remembered something as having happened 12 years ago, only to find out it happened 10 years ago.

Sure, that's plausible. But when that's on top of the incorrect dating format/random screenshot from a year ago, the fact that it's ACEN where the staffers keep lying about him, and during the height of fake accusations that later got deleted (and mixed with other questionable DMS) I think it strains benefit of the doubt.


EDIT: Quick way to confirm the story (it's fake) is to look up stories about ACEN 2012. Does anyone mention Todd pranking Vic's panel? I bet they don't. They would if he did. (But remember the story requires Vic to STORM OUT OF HIS PANEL IN RAGE AND NOT COME BACK)

 

[VZ 467]

It's even more damning. They had to be in 2018, but Todd says 'that was 7 years ago now'. It was 7 years ago in January when Adam posted that. It was barely 6 years ago when the message would have been dated. The dating format is wrong for someone screenshotting it in 2019, the date is wrong for them to have said it in 2019, and the timeframe Todd cites is wrong for it to have happened in 2018, as it would have had to.

At this point, as this was posted at the HEIGHT of the conspiracy, I'm far more inclined to believe those texts are faked as a part of the civil conspiracy, banking on Todd being too afraid to speak up about it because of his own #metoo attack, than that Adam screenshotted it a year ago for no reason and Todd got the years mixed up.

Meaning 7 years from May 2018 would be May 2011. Which means, Todd can't count years or Mr Sheehan can't google. Date format is very off. I know there are apps and sites that can make fairly convincing fakes. I am a little....surprised he decided to crop out the photos on the side of the two chatting. Making it just seem a little confusing. Not happy with your profile pic Sheehan, or are these not yours?

Also the picture of Todd, I was trying to find it on his facebook photoalbum, because well, if you want it to be a profile picture or messenger picture it has to be uploaded there right? Or insta? I scrolled through insta through 2016 and can't see nothing, and facebook was much the same. Where is that photo from?

Am I remembering how to use social media wrong?

Also, when was the last time the blue was so blue and the grey was this grey. It was 2018 wasn't it. 2019 is more grey blue and the grey a little more subtle.
Why are a couple of the images different shades of chat-blue? What did the 2017 version look like?

Spoiler: My lil blurb about the various shades of blue in the screenshots.

Ok so. Uh.... I am not very knowledgable about Social media and how messenger is supposed to look like. But two of these are NOT that well-known messenger blue. That being the two images here, middle and right. The one to the left looks to be a different shade of blue.....entirely. I am not sure what to make of this. (wtf is that weird blue shade atop of middle and left picture though, it could be a picture of a PC-screen, couldn't it? That weird glare happens sometimes... weird screenshotting tehcnique though......)

I tried going back to find different versions of our lovely messenger blue and none really matched.
The most similar looking one was this one from 2015? But the edges doesn't match.

It looks more similar to twitters colours but they don't have the prfile picture on top like that do they?
Wait, looks like they did, least in 2016, he probably cut out the dots on the side along with the profile pictures on the sides. There are some newer versions of twitter DMs that appear similar. But I have not found a picture of Twitter DMS with a round circular icon atop there from any recent time. Anyone twitter savvy able to share their knowledge.

This is from 2018. No picture on top. Time under the bubbles.
Twitter DM stuff 2017, shows time below the bubbles. No picture on top.

Yeah, no, I can't make head or tails of it right now. The colours appear closer to twitters, but it isn't a match for the colours, but all 3 of them have the same format which is similar to facebooks. But not facebook colours....either.

Do we have a social media guru?