Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[ShaggyDawg]

He writes a parody of the dub while being a sub elitist that insists on pronouncing Goku in the dumbest way possible, and coaches MasakoX to pitch his voice more like Masako's just because. Even his own team teases him.

Tbh, even though I'm mostly a sub watcher, I don't get what everyone hypes up the Subs for. Besides getting the material in its purest form (apart from Manga) without adding in some stupid changes, I really don't think they're all as good as sub elitists make it out to seem. I mean, I'm in no way saying that the Dub actors are superior to them, but there are certain nuances and tones that don't translate well across the cultural and language barriers. That TotallyNotMark video I posted earlier where he compares the Dub and sub show that.

 

[Allanon]

If they were verified, there are also the DMs where Jamie Marchi was hoping a minor would step forward, inside the statute of limitations.
Qualifying this with my fuzzy memory on what they said exactly - there could be a case where that's written proof of another instance of defamation per se (saying/implying it happened without evidence) and could also show a reckless disregard for the truth (if she was hearing this through the grapevine).

Not to mention to disgusting way she put it ... Ty has also indicated that he's got sources - Nick's had emails between Monica and others leaked to him (maybe all from BHBH, but I sometimes wonder). A while back, Nick said FUNi was leaking like a sieve, so my initial TCPA predictions are that Marchi has the best chance of dismissal/partial dismissal (TI w/contracts, seems to be the missing element in her case). That said, I'm waiting for Ty's final pleadings in this motion before I lock any predictions in.

Well, except we all know MoRon's is going to be trashed. I'm just hoping some kind of sanctions ( ) get dished out, in their case.

People are quick to just lump all of Nick's sources into Ty because two of them turned out to be him, but that ignores that he says he always has 2 or 3 sources on things. I think it's entirely possible he had another KC contact that he's hiding for their protection and letting people think only Ty was his source, and I don't think it's just Ty in Funimation that's giving him info. After TCPA gets sorted out, I suspect his birds will start tweeting more again, just because there's a lull now where things might go any direction.

Tbh, even though I'm mostly a sub watcher, I don't get what everyone hypes up the Subs for. Besides getting the material in its purest form (apart from Manga) without adding in some stupid changes, I really don't think they're all as good as sub elitists make it out to seem. I mean, I'm in no way saying that the Dub actors are superior to them, but there are certain nuances and tones that don't translate well across the cultural and language barriers. That TotallyNotMark video I posted earlier where he compares the Dub and sub show that.

It's elitism. I know of some people who insist you literally HAVE to watch it in its raw form, being fluent in Japanese, or you'll lose things. It falsely assumes that changing things is automatically bad, ignoring cultural differences and why localization might decide the audience won't find random screaming as funny. And usually, it leans on bad dubs to say all dubs are bad or inferior. In truth, they're about equal and personal preference ultimately dictates which you will prefer.

 

[Commander]

she has the best odds, but it's no certainty

If she has the best odds, they are screwed.

People are quick to just lump all of Nick's sources into Ty because two of them turned out to be him, but that ignores that he says he always has 2 or 3 sources on things. I think it's entirely possible he had another KC contact that he's hiding for their protection and letting people think only Ty was his source, and I don't think it's just Ty in Funimation that's giving him info. After TCPA gets sorted out, I suspect his birds will start tweeting more again, just because there's a lull now where things might go any direction.

There are sources inside Funimation Nick had to get some info. Not even Ty knows all of Nick's sources. Not even Ty. It will be interesting if Nick is ever going to be able to disclose many of those sources as he said the defendants will say "I should have seen that coming"

 

[Eyeshield]

People are quick to just lump all of Nick's sources into Ty because two of them turned out to be him, but that ignores that he says he always has 2 or 3 sources on things. I think it's entirely possible he had another KC contact that he's hiding for their protection and letting people think only Ty was his source, and I don't think it's just Ty in Funimation that's giving him info. After TCPA gets sorted out, I suspect his birds will start tweeting more again, just because there's a lull now where things might go any direction.



It's elitism. I know of some people who insist you literally HAVE to watch it in its raw form, being fluent in Japanese, or you'll lose things. It falsely assumes that changing things is automatically bad, ignoring cultural differences and why localization might decide the audience won't find random screaming as funny. And usually, it leans on bad dubs to say all dubs are bad or inferior. In truth, they're about equal and personal preference ultimately dictates which you will prefer.

I'm not sure if it's true but I remember reading somewhere that a language that you don't know or aren't used to sounds deeper to your ears (the same as your own voice), so subs generally sound better by default.

 

[Allanon]

If she has the best odds, they are screwed.

There are sources inside Funimation Nick had to get some info. Not even Ty knows all of Nick's sources. Not even Ty. It will be interesting if Nick is ever going to be able to disclose many of those sources as he said the defendants will say "I should have seen that coming"

I assume if everything goes well, Vic wins all of round 1 + round 2, Funi gets whipped and Iago + Igor are dethroned he'll be able to disclose his sources. He's not wikileaks where he absolutely cannot give up his sources ever. As soon as his sources are safe to be revealed, he can probably go ahead and do so. To add salt.

I'm not sure if it's true but I remember reading somewhere that a language that you don't know or aren't used to sounds deeper to your ears (the same as your own voice), so subs generally sound better by default.

I've heard this, but it's not completely true. Japanese male voices sound deeper because culturally men are supposed to sound deep. One of the early things you learn if you try to learn speaking Japanese is that as a male you should speak deeper, and as a female you should speak higher. Japanese female VAs are almost all higher pitched than their dub counterparts. Also, anyone who regularly watches dubs will become used to the sound of the language - maybe not so weeb as to learn to speak it, but the 'gibberish' effect will fade into recognizable words even if you don't know what those words mean. Likewise, the 'deep' effect will also fade. So it could impact a first impression dependent on what they watched, but it wouldn't excuse long term fanboying.

 

[feral cat #6385]

I assume if everything goes well, Vic wins all of round 1 + round 2, Funi gets whipped and Iago + Igor are dethroned he'll be able to disclose his sources. He's not wikileaks where he absolutely cannot give up his sources ever. As soon as his sources are safe to be revealed, he can probably go ahead and do so. To add salt.

There is no reason for him to EVER reveal his sources nor should he. Why on earth would he fuck over the people helping him in this matter? If Funimation and the VA's lose it will NEVER be safe to reveal them as it would expose them to retaliation.

 

[Private Pyle]

Side note to the corporate purging:

Netflix AXES Several Animation Executives!

Netflix has just chopped several key animation executives, according to Deadline. Among the missing are their Creative Executive Manager of Original Animatio...

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Given Netflix’s complete apathy towards their animation department (with the exception of maybe BoJack?), this video is not surprising in the least.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

There is no reason for him to EVER reveal his sources nor should he. Why on earth would he fuck over the people helping him in this matter? If Funimation and the VA's lose it will NEVER be safe to reveal them as it would expose them to retaliation.

I'm sure he'd get permission first, if he did. He often makes asides that suggest some of the people against funi et al would surprise the hell out of them, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a victory lap stream as the lawsuit concludes.

But until it's convenient for him and his sources, I don't see Nick bending the knee on that one. On principle.

In the meantime, you know KickVic is just squirming about that part, almost as much as the GoFundMe. Which makes me just as happy.

 

[Monkey Prick]

We think Marchi has the best chance at winning her TCPA, but we don't have access the to the facts that BHBH may have and none of us managed to rake through their little gay op server that Marchi ran. Even if she beats it right now once the discovery stay is done and dusted there's a chance that the withheld communications from Ron and Monica will have something that makes it worth appealing the result of her TCPA.

 

[BigDuckEnergy]

Marchi brings the clearest example of malice to the case. Her public statements like "I want his balls...".

Also proof of civil conspiracy may not exist between Funi and the rest but between Moronica and Marchi and the others. Her resistence to being served makes her look guilty as well.

There's a reason why Funi did the TCPA the day before the deadline on handing over discovery, i reckon they found something that would sink them. Optimistic to think it was internal communications between employees saying "lets fuck over Vic."

 

[AStupidMonkey]

We think Marchi has the best chance at winning her TCPA, but we don't have access the to the facts that BHBH may have and none of us managed to rake through their little gay op server that Marchi ran. Even if she beats it right now once the discovery stay is done and dusted there's a chance that the withheld communications from Ron and Monica will have something that makes it worth appealing the result of her TCPA.

Oh, don't worry. Ty's a bumbling oaf, right? I'm sure there's no way he'd have been smart enough to subpoena that information directly from Discord.

When will he stop losing the case!?

 

[ThonyTheThaigirl]

But does exceptional line of questioning like that actually sway judges and juries? God if people are that impressionable, then God please wipe us all out now.

It shouldn't. The only way that the question being asked could be used in any way at all would be as a "gotcha" that Vic wasn't defamed because there wasn't a statement of fact. In reality, though, Vic is unqualified to answer that question. The only way that Vic is qualified to answer those questions at all is if "statement of fact" isn't being used as a term of art, in which case most laymen would take it as a question of whether or not the statement is true. This is useless, though, because they haven't even clarified what "statement of fact" would mean to Vic, nor would he ever ever admit to the truth of those statements in a deposition if he did take "statement of fact" to mean what I said. The only way the question can be useful in any way is if "statement of fact" is being used as a term of art, or, in other words, being used as a legal term, and it can only mean one thing at a time. It can't be both a term of art and not at the same time. Vic is, as I said, unqualified to answer that question. Asking these questions to a non-lawyer is actually really stupid, because you get literally nothing out of it, unless you clarify beforehand what "statement of fact" means to the person, in which case you get just barely more than absolutely nothing lol.

 

[Captain Manning]

Tbh, even though I'm mostly a sub watcher, I don't get what everyone hypes up the Subs for.

Elitism. Nothing more.

You go through enough Digibro videos and it becomes apparent the type of person we're talking about. His last appearance on the Dick Show was pretty rancid. Claiming, among other things, everybody who does dubs should be fired.

Until this shit show, I was about 50/50 on dubs vs subs. Sometimes the dub is crap, or a Japanese VA is really good.

Now, I'm sub only out of necessity. I ain't paying Funimation a dime ever again.

 

[Garm]

Marchi brings the clearest example of malice to the case. Her public statements like "I want his balls...".

Also proof of civil conspiracy may not exist between Funi and the rest but between Moronica and Marchi and the others. Her resistence to being served makes her look guilty as well.

That's a question for the doxxers. Marchi was on the discord servers. I wonder if any funimation employees were also? That would be communication.

It would have been outrageously stupid but I would still look into it.

We think Marchi has the best chance at winning her TCPA, but we don't have access the to the facts that BHBH may have and none of us managed to rake through their little gay op server that Marchi ran. Even if she beats it right now once the discovery stay is done and dusted there's a chance that the withheld communications from Ron and Monica will have something that makes it worth appealing the result of her TCPA.

I thought Renfamous was running the servers?

There's a reason why Funi did the TCPA the day before the deadline on handing over discovery, i reckon they found something that would sink them. Optimistic to think it was internal communications between employees saying "lets fuck over Vic."

Actually Nick pointed out that if Funimation sent any other company a heads up that Vic would be fired that may be considered conspiracy.

 

[Private Pyle]

Now, I'm sub only out of necessity. I ain't paying Funimation a dime ever again.

Thankfully there’s still Viz, Aniplex and maybe Sentai Filmworks who are still in the dubbing business.
I say thankfully not only for those who want dubs but won’t support Funi, but it also means Toei has options should they want to yank some licenses.

 

[Captain Manning]

Thankfully there’s still Viz, Aniplex and maybe Sentai Filmworks who are still in the dubbing business.

Aniplex is Sony, so no to them.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

It's elitism. I know of some people who insist you literally HAVE to watch it in its raw form, being fluent in Japanese, or you'll lose things. It falsely assumes that changing things is automatically bad, ignoring cultural differences and why localization might decide the audience won't find random screaming as funny. And usually, it leans on bad dubs to say all dubs are bad or inferior. In truth, they're about equal and personal preference ultimately dictates which you will prefer.

Elitism. Nothing more.

You go through enough Digibro videos and it becomes apparent the type of person we're talking about. His last appearance on the Dick Show was pretty rancid. Claiming, among other things, everybody who does dubs should be fired.

Until this shit show, I was about 50/50 on dubs vs subs. Sometimes the dub is crap, or a Japanese VA is really good.

Now, I'm sub only out of necessity. I ain't paying Funimation a dime ever again.

This. Effectively.

I wonder if any sub-tards actually grew up with the sub, the way they place it on a pedestal. Let's face it, even though the majority of Funi English VAs are retards, most of us grew up on the dub of some kind on most of our anime whether it be the English ones, Latin, Spanish etc. The sub-tards are just elitists who loved the dub until they met some other sub-tard that pushed their ideals onto them. now they spend their time doing the same in attempt to wash the smell of dubs off their hands.

speaking of sub-tards and Funimation, I wonder how many KV supporters are siding with Sony about the Spider-Man issue based on nothing but the fact that they conducted the investigation into and eventually deemed Vic should be fired.

 

[Nontransferable]

When Jacqueline L. Miller published the staff list for Tekkoshocon 2007 several months ago on Twitter, Lynn Hunt urged her to take it down. She was insistent that information not be made public. Jacqueline L. Miller removed her tweet, but left it up on Facebook where it was found recently.

http://archive.fo/3Lrm1

http://archive.fo/eH4wg


https://archive.fo/V5Bxv

The staff list shows that John Prager, who testified that he was the Head of Security, was actually the Head of Public Safety. This seems like a minor distinction, but Lynn Hunt educated us all in a recent blog entry that conventions do this because they cannot legally call their untrained volunteers security.

Whitney Falba, (Maiden name: Whitney Robinson) testified that she was the Live Events Chair but the staff list for that year's convention has her as the Department Head of Industry. Chris Aumiller was the Department Head of Live Events.

Tekkoshocon.com :: View topic - Tekkoshocon A/S/L

Edit: Here is some additional evidence that Chris Aumiller was the Live Events Chair and not Whitney Falba, who was the Industry Liaison. Web caches of their signature lines from the Tekkoshocon forums list their respective positions.

As shove above, Saberpilot is Whitney Falba and she was "Tekkoshocon's 2007 Industry Liason"

Tekkoshocon.com :: View topic - THE OFFICIAL 2006 SCHEDULE!!!

Chris Aumiller, aka Wildfire, was the "Tekko V Live Events Chair" (Tekko V = 2007)

Tekkoshocon.com :: View topic - Saberpilot's New Fanfic: Casting Call!

 

[Private Pyle]

Aniplex is Sony, so no to them.

Damn, that just leaves Viz and Sentai. It’s been established that Discotek is no good either.

 

[Laughing-Man]

Red flag: the blacked out convention being mentioned is 'ACEN'. You know, the one these liars all congregate around with their lies.

To be fair EVERYONE congregates at ACEN, it’s massive, a lot of people from the Midwest to the northeast go every year. It’s much more likely that ACEN is simply a convention big enough that a few of these people got some sort of lower level staff/volunteer positions and it’s big enough that they could belively claim that something happened and news of it wouldn’t have gotten around. The con is know to be somewhat rowdy with ambulances being referred to as “ACEN ubers” so people would believe that they wouldn’t have heard about something to do with a VA. If they tried to say something like that happened at another con no one would buy it because the news would have gotten around to everyone there before the day was done.