Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 1)

[Coldgrip]

People rang the police, all the family knew. I assume they spoke to Amber at the time to find out if it was true, and she didn't say a word.

Considering how his family is, Amber could of actually spoken up about any possible abuse and it was hushed up because his family is suppose to be "good christians". And "good christians" don't report other family members because... Reasons.

Now she's at an age where she's on the internet, and probably aware of her brother's presence (she's a tween now isn't she?), there's every chance (I'm gonna sound like an asshole right now) that she's just accusing him cuz awkward phase and Nick made it up.

Do you have any proof of that? Other than "she's at that awkward age"? It's been mentioned before that Nick isn't suppose to be around Amber, but I can't remember if that was an actual court order or it was just his family taking precautions and didn't want a problem to escalate further because it'd bring unwanted attention.

I think we can all agree that we wish that this is all just a crock of shit and that no one has been molested. But here's the problem, when you have somebody who constantly talks about wanting to molest children, composing songs about it and was willing to tell somebody that they touched their sister because they think it'll impress a girl, I'd say that there's a damn good chance that they've probably done something already and just haven't gotten caught.

Nah, his family wants him to go away for good in my opinion.
If this weren't the case, they would have told Amber to shut up.

IIRC Anna once said that most of Nick's family is pretty fucked up in some way or another. So all of this could actually be a result of his family telling Amber to hush up about things, not persuing criminal charges against Nick or pleading for leniency towards him.

 

[cluelessly]

I wish we had a "neutral" rating because honestly there are good points being made on both perspectives on whether Nick actually did molest Amber. That family is just so dysfunctional it's impossible to tell who has actually done what, especially with Nick as our unreliable narrator.

 

[CWCissey]

I wish we had a "neutral" rating because honestly there are good points being made on both perspectives on whether Nick actually did molest Amber. That family is just so dysfunctional it's impossible to tell who has actually done what, especially with Nick as our unreliable narrator.

Just vote 'Informative' that's about as neutral as you're gonna get without going for Autistic.

 

[AnOminous]

*OPINION THAT ISN'T TOTAL NICK HATE*

I sort of wish there was a rating for "I don't agree with you but I kind of do but you bring up some good points but Nick is still a fucked up dude who should be put away."

(Teach me always to read the thread first. cluelessly and This Charming Man just completely solved my problem.)

Also, since I have this post here, it may also be that Amber was bullied into silence by that fucked up family her whole life, but on actually becoming aware of Nick's Internet presence, is only now aware that none of this shit was normal in the least and that society at large will back her the fuck up if she tries to bring this fiend to justice.

 

[wheat pasta]

#TeamAmber

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

Shit. Nick is back on Twitter. He hadn't posted in so long, I really hoped the creep got arrested. Oh well, it could still happen; fingers crossed...

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

American prison is too nice for Sick Nick, I wish we could export him to a Russian prison

 

[Meeko]

Fucking seriously, no 8 year old will have a shitty asshole because they don't wipe. That's purely Nick fantasy.

Well... it depends on the person and the situation. I've been around people who stopped cleaning themselves because they were going through some pretty severe depression and 8 year olds aren't immune to depression. There's also the possibility that she did it to make herself less appealing, since I've heard that some kids (and adults) will do that to make their abuser lose interest. Then there's always the possibility that he made her not clean herself or that he burst in on her when she was in the bathroom right after. Or it could just be that she didn't wipe well enough. That's always a possibility too.

But her having feces all over her butthole doesn't mean that it was just a fantasy. I think I'll echo several statements here and say that I think we all want this to have been a fantasy and not reality.

 

[LoveMeNewCarpet]

Well... it depends on the person and the situation. I've been around people who stopped cleaning themselves because they were going through some pretty severe depression and 8 year olds aren't immune to depression. There's also the possibility that she did it to make herself less appealing, since I've heard that some kids (and adults) will do that to make their abuser lose interest. Then there's always the possibility that he made her not clean herself or that he burst in on her when she was in the bathroom right after. Or it could just be that she didn't wipe well enough. That's always a possibility too.

But her having feces all over her butthole doesn't mean that it was just a fantasy. I think I'll echo several statements here and say that I think we all want this to have been a fantasy and not reality.

Reality check: You are actually analyzing and sperging over the bathroom habits of a child's asshole. Just let that sink in. I think it's time you get off the internet and reevaluate your life.

 

[Null]

"No shit is too minor" is neither our extant motto, nor something to be interpreted literally. Change the subject.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

My hope is that none of this ever happened and Nick was making everything up (both the original chat log and the Tweets about the accusation).

If the accusation is real, I think it's far more likely to be true than false, given everything Nick's shared about himself. It doesn't seem like the child would have anything to gain by making a false accusation, either.

 

[Connor Bible]

I'm just glad that there's the possibility this piece of shit might be charged.

 

[Protoman]

Nick doesn't understand CP and abuse is wrong. His psych report says so, he has a very bad moral compass. He didn't understand he'd go to prison for possession of child pornography, and doesn't see anything wrong with underage sexual interaction. So it's unlikely he'd lie and say he didn't do it if he had actually done it, because well there's no reason to. He didn't do anything wrong in his eyes.

He doesn't think it's wrong, but he's fully aware of the fact that it's illegal. That's motivation enough to say he didn't do anything if he thinks the police are involved.

 

[AnOminous]

He doesn't think it's wrong, but he's fully aware of the fact that it's illegal. That's motivation enough to say he didn't do anything if he thinks the police are involved.

The fact that his prior statements are inconsistent with what he is saying now indicates he is aware he's in legal peril. While it was astoundingly stupid not to realize he was cruising for a bruising before now by publicly admitting to all kinds of disgusting shit, there's apparently some level of peril at which even this dunce realizes things don't look good for him.

A rational person, of course, would STFU entirely and not say anything at all. But that's not Nick.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

He does, though. It's true that he doesn't understand why they're wrong, but multiple people have informed him that those things are illegal. He may not understand why those laws are in place, but from both a legal and a moral standpoint, that's no excuse for breaking them.

I think Nick's views on child abuse are similar to your typical stoners' views on marijuana use - they understand that it's illegal and have a rough idea of the legal consequences of its use. But they think the laws that make it illegal are silly, arbitrary and unnecessary. So, they think it's illegal, but not wrong.

I'm sure we can all think of something that is, in our personal opinion, illegal but not wrong.

 

[AnOminous]

I think Nick's views on child abuse are similar to your typical stoners' views on marijuana use - they understand that it's illegal and have a rough idea of the legal consequences of its use. But they think the laws that make it illegal are silly, arbitrary and unnecessary. So, they think it's illegal, but not wrong.

I'm sure we can all think of something that is, in our personal opinion, illegal but not wrong.

True, but raping children has an actual victim who is harmed. Smoking marijuana is generally more of a regulatory offense. I.e., sexual abuse is a malum in se, an evil in and of itself, while most drug offenses are malum prohibitum, or only "wrong" because they are prohibited. An habitual user of something like Oxycontin, if legally prescribed, may be causing as much harm to themselves as an illegal drug user, but isn't going to be prosecuted for it.

Also, by comparison, someone who constantly goes on about how much pot they smoke may come across as a douchebag, but most people aren't going to despise them. Openly admitting to pedophilia, though, is going to result in the vast majority of people absolutely despising you and even wanting to see you killed. So admitting to it when your identity is known is astoundingly stupid, while admitting to smoking marijuana is perhaps a bit silly, but not likely to result in harm to you.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

"No shit is too minor" is neither our extant motto, nor something to be interpreted literally. Change the subject.

No shit is too minor unless it's about a minor's shit then gtfo

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

*OPINION THAT ISN'T TOTAL NICK HATE*
I'm still doubtful he did it to be frightfully honest. Everyone's acting like we've never tried to get Amber help or tell the family the accusations. When Nick was discovered on /cow/, there was a long voicemail sent to Nick's mother a few years ago quoting what he said he did to Amber. People rang the police, all the family knew. I assume they spoke to Amber at the time to find out if it was true, and she didn't say a word. Now she's at an age where she's on the internet, and probably aware of her brother's presence (she's a tween now isn't she?), there's every chance (I'm gonna sound like an asshole right now) that she's just accusing him cuz awkward phase and Nick made it up.

The recall of the event is the biggest crock of horseshit ever. It'd be like if people got super offended and called the police about Deeker's insane stories. I don't believe either have any basis in reality.

"I was sat with this little girl and she asked to lick my butt!! and she did then i licked her butt, but not properly, cuz little kids shit themselves amirite." was pretty much the story and it never sounded true to me. Fucking seriously, no 8 year old will have a shitty asshole because they don't wipe. That's purely Nick fantasy.

If you read the log it's full of leading questioning. He recalls a story with a prepubescent girl (Speculation: I imagine he was provoked to tell that story by the other Anna in that chatlog. "so you like little kids then? How do you know if you've never downloaded child porn? Have you ever done anything with a little girl?"), then is asked "it was Amber wasn't it?" to which he just replied "yes." I think he was coerced into lying.

I think he just wanted to sound cool in front of his friend, in a way that normal people may lie about having had sex when they're virgins. "Of course I'm experienced in butt play! I'll make up a story so it doesn't look like I'm an inexperienced loser." I also think he's doing this regarding his "first ex" or some shit, the one he apparently knew IRL. From what I can tell (but feel free to totally correct me!) he's only started talking about this chick recently, coupled with the fact Arcani doesn't know wtf he's on about, pretty sure she's not real.

Nick doesn't understand CP and abuse is wrong. His psych report says so, he has a very bad moral compass. He didn't understand he'd go to prison for possession of child pornography, and doesn't see anything wrong with underage sexual interaction. So it's unlikely he'd lie and say he didn't do it if he had actually done it, because well there's no reason to. He didn't do anything wrong in his eyes.

Nick's creepy as shit but I still have a hard time seeing him as dangerous. I think he would've gotten himself into more trouble if he was. As evidenced by Chris recently, once you snap and become truly dangerous, you're removed from society very quickly. Nick had a job in a shop until recently where prepubescent children would be, if he was as much of a predator as his twitter implies then surely he would've been arrested by now for some horrifying shit.

Nick is just a mentally ill fucktard with no social filter and some strange philias.

I think you bring up some very good points here that we may have rushed off and forgot. I won't dwell on it but that one detail in particular about hygiene is something I never considered because I was too horrified by the story.

It is a possibility but that would be a pretty fucked up and malicious thing to do. American prisons don't have a reputation for being safe places where people can get the help they need, Amber would likely be aware this accusation has a serious possibility of fucking Nick's shit up really hard. I would like to think the chances of Amber being that malicious and edgy are slim, but she does come from a really screwed up family so who knows.

But on the other hand, theres this. Melchett brings up a really good point in that we're making a few assumptions against nicks personality as a consistently intentional predator. However, we would also have to make some serious assumptions about Amber's personality as someone so vindictive that she'd ruin her brothers own life because he slighted her. Which at first glance sounded like a gigantic leap but I remembered something...


Quick story: Before I was born my mom and my two sisters attended a church. My mom was dating my dad back then. A girl started coming on sundays lets call her "mary." Mary didnt have a great relationship with her family and my sister being the social butterfly and generally kind soul she was as a kid befriended her. My sister met her at school from what I remember of the story and Mary would come over to the house pretty often and seemed like a good kid. Mary got put out of her parents house for reasons I don't think any of us can be confident in. If I recall correctly she told the congregation her family had a serious problem with her burgeoning faith. People felt sorry for her and invited her over for meals and what not.

When my mom heard she had been put out she eventually came to the decision to let Mary stay with them. She wasn't super keen on the idea originally but Mary was a good kid and it felt like the right thing to do at first. My father spent alot of time around the house as they were pretty serious if not already engaged at this point. And my mom saw something in Mary's interactions with my father that set off some alarms in her. My mother followed her instincts rather quickly and told Mary she'd have to find somewhere else to live. One of the elders of the church took her in immediately.

Lets skip the slow burn: Mary, a 13/14 year old girl had an affair with that elder's husband. Yes, that wording is intentional. Mary wasn't molested or fell in love with this man or any of that. She fucked him and kept it stepping once she was put out. This lead to their divorce and I'm pretty sure the woman has yet to remarry well over 20 years later. I think the husband has since died.



I say that to say this: We often tend to think very highly of our fellow man as if theyre not capable of some serious malice but I don't subscribe to this. Maybe Mary was a sociopath. Hopefully she was. But I'm inclined to believe she was not. I've seen people do some seriously fucked up things simply out of spite. I used to work with kids and I watched an actual false allegation sexual harassment wind up with a parent getting banned from the school grounds. Saw another woman cheat on her husband, and move the man she was cheating with into the house while forcing her husband to relocate to the basement.

At this moment I'm more inclined to believe Nick did something however unwittingly. But Im not willing to write off the idea that Amber is lying to get back at Nick about something.

TL;DR: People are fucked up. Both Amber and Nick fall into the "people" category.

 

[Mrs Paul]

What the...I cannot even. Jesus fucking Christ. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

It's too late for me to read the entire thread right NOW (I'll do so in the morning), but...wouldn't you get a terrible infection from not wiping and then not bathing?


(Fuck, I'm going to go read about Chris to cleanse my brain)

 

[Sonic Boom]

I just finished reading the 164 pages of this thing. Why does everything make his therapist look so bad and who gave him a fucking cat?

I need to watch this to avoid reminding myself of him every time I take a shit.