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I had three theories for Rey, going all the way back to Force Awakens:

1) She is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. This is a development of the Force that, as far as I know, is untouched in Star Wars, but the idea of "reincarnation" can delve into the more spiritual and religious natures of the Force. Rey could be seen as either the return of the Chosen One, or the return of the Anti-Christ destroyer, and both sides try to pull her to their cause. Some people would fear her because of this.

2) She is the granddaughter of Palpatine, with one of her parents being the child of a concubine of Palpatine's (and yes, I can fully believe Old Man Palpy getting his freak on with concubines in the past. As Mel Brooks always said, "Its good to be da King"). Her family went into hiding knowing the lineage of the family and ultimately gave Rey up, knowing that she was the last of Palpatine's line and would be seen as an outcast and even hunted down and killed if revealed. Rey's force powers and strength in the force with no training is the result of Palpatine reaching out to her from beyond the grave given his deep roots in the Dark Side of the Force and (as the EU always presented) his quest for immortality. Palaptine ultimately wants to take possession of her body (being a blood relative makes this connection easier) and assume a new life.

This could tie into Kylo Ren, the Knights of Ren, and Snoke who are revealed to be part of a Dark Side cult. Not fully trained Sith, but true believers of the cause that try to gain knowledge and power second hand from whatever resources they can find. Snoke is an old consort of Palpatine's who knows of The Emperor's plans to resurrect himself, and put together the Knights of Ren to make that happen. This cult is in search of the last vessel for Palpatine to bring him back, who turns out to be Rey. In the Force Awakens novelization, Kylo Ren says something to the effect of "Its you!" when Rey pulls Anakin's lightsaber to her hand. This could have implied that there was something about her that he just realized but she wasn't aware of, rather than just a simple declarative "Oh its you again" type of meaning. She was the last vessel of the Emperor that he's and the Knights of Ren have been searching for, and Kylo realized this.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if JJ went this route with it in IX and it would probably be the least offensive thing they could do with it.

and 3) The obvious one that got thrown around alot: Rey is a clone experiment gone awry. Either a clone of Palpatine, a clone of Anakin, or a clone made from Luke's hand, but she didn't turn out as exOpected and ultimately got dumped in the ass end of nowhere. Being a clone of one of the all time great force users, she displays a strong connection to the Force that she doesn't fully understand.

Why do I have this feeling that I put way more thought into this than the people making the movies?
Or 4: Rey is a Supreme Mary Sue and JJ will try to stick to her stupid backstory that he made.
Question is who is stronger, Rey or Ahsoka? Filoni also seems interested in a live action Ahsoka show for Disney+...
Rey, by and far, Rey. Why? While Ashoka has plot armor out the ass, Rey has SUE POWER. The differences are as follows: Ashoka has sometimes been wrong... sometimes. Not often, but every now and then. Rey has literally never made a single error in 2 films. Not one. In fact, Rey is so powerful that other characters are incapable of the simplest tasks without her. Say what you want about Ashoka, at least the other Jedi were in fact capable of being Jedi when she was in frame near them.

Not so for Luke when faced with Rey's overwhelming Sue Force.
 
Supposedly a new trailer came out an hour ago with some new info.
Force jumps perhaps?
>C-3PO with red eyes
JJ stealing C-3PX too...?

And for visual proof, Adam Driver was too scared to show up.
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Ahsoka was a major focus of the Clone Wars show, but she wasn't the be all end all. They could tell stories without her and the Jedi could function when she wasn't around. And starting off young meant that the character had to grow and make mistakes along the way. By the time she appeared in Rebels, she was basically the mentor character and not the main focus at all.

Rey...yeah no. She's supreme God lady. Not Brie Larson Captain Marvel levels of Supreme God Lady, but still Supreme God Lady of her movies.

As I said once before, in The Force Awakens alone, she is a better Luke than Luke (she picks up Force techniques without any training or even prior exposure to these techniques), she's a better Han than Han (she appears to understand the inner workings of the Falcon more than he does AND she's an amaze-balls interstellar pilot, despite being stranded on a planet for most of her life), and she's a better Leia than Leia (gets captured and frees herself with no help). It kind of makes Finn, Poe, and the rest feel kind of pointless when she can pretty much do it all herself. Oh, she can't pilot AND operate the quad guns herself, so she needed help with that. She can't be expected to do everything, right?
 
Supposedly a new trailer came out an hour ago with some new info.
Force jumps perhaps?
>C-3PO with red eyes
JJ stealing C-3PX too...?

And for visual proof, Adam Driver was too scared to show up.
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Heh, neither did Hammil. I'm sure its a scheduling conflict with Adam. Nothing more than that, he is contractually obligated to these things...

Is it a trailer, teaser? Cause if so, thats at least a positive for them marketing wise. They got to get sonething rolling...

Also, to add more fuel to the alternate reality/vision stuff:

the tweet saids, Rey opens Her staff. Pretty sure that clones don't come with exact accesories...

Ahsoka was a major focus of the Clone Wars show, but she wasn't the be all end all. They could tell stories without her and the Jedi could function when she wasn't around. And starting off young meant that the character had to grow and make mistakes along the way. By the time she appeared in Rebels, she was basically the mentor character and not the main focus at all.

Rey...yeah no. She's supreme God lady. Not Brie Larson Captain Marvel levels of Supreme God Lady, but still Supreme God Lady of her movies.

As I said once before, in The Force Awakens alone, she is a better Luke than Luke (she picks up Force techniques without any training or even prior exposure to these techniques), she's a better Han than Han (she appears to understand the inner workings of the Falcon more than he does AND she's an amaze-balls interstellar pilot, despite being stranded on a planet for most of her life), and she's a better Leia than Leia (gets captured and frees herself with no help). It kind of makes Finn, Poe, and the rest feel kind of pointless when she can pretty much do it all herself. Oh, she can't pilot AND operate the quad guns herself, so she needed help with that. She can't be expected to do everything, right?
Yeah, this stems from the general issue with female protagonists. Something that someone like James Cameron actually gets right(he is no writing genius either).

Bad writers fear that the heroine will be upstaged or be percieved vulnerable/weak, if you make other characters interesting or have a purpose.

Therefore Rey is just good at everything instead of contributing to a team effort
 
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How in the FUCK is Ashoka supposed to survive that?! Grievous getting the shitstick for her sake was bad enough, but that's just exceptional.
You gave yourself the answer; Filoni is a wolfaboo moron who can't stand the idea his OC could die... to the point he arbitrarily introduces time travel to prevent her from dying like the bitch he is.

That moment right there, especially since he came up with an excuse to avoid simply doing this whenever you feel like it for that one guy who dies, means I'll never watch a lick of anything he does, as I've seen how pathetic and autistic he is on his own.

On and I can tell you red eyed C3P-0 is almost certainly him with the battle droid personality uploaded into him... and it's telling they pooped out a trailer after we the online community mocked them for being so insecure over the project that they had to prove the audience wrong. Saying it now; Didney's a lolcow studio now.
 
You gave yourself the answer; Filoni is a wolfaboo moron who can't stand the idea his OC could die... to the point he arbitrarily introduces time travel to prevent her from dying like the bitch he is.

That moment right there, especially since he came up with an excuse to avoid simply doing this whenever you feel like it for that one guy who dies, means I'll never watch a lick of anything he does, as I've seen how pathetic and autistic he is on his own.

On and I can tell you red eyed C3P-0 is almost certainly him with the battle droid personality uploaded into him... and it's telling they pooped out a trailer after we the online community mocked them for being so insecure over the project that they had to prove the audience wrong. Saying it now; Didney's a lolcow studio now.

This is just me speculating, it may not be he is unwilling to kill her.

It may stem more in that he wants her to become 'true canon'. Thats is, his creation becomes a live action character..
 
The only point I could raise against what you have posted is that with the cartoon show, the video games, the park and the merch (to some degree) are things that are mainly carried by the hardcore fans (that have been pissed off by TFA and TLJ), but for IX to be commercially successful, it's enough to mobilize the normies.
The failure of the cartoons and everything else pretty much shows us that there is no market for shoddy products, even if there's an SW sticker on it, for spin-off material, the SW sticker isn't enough to attract the normies, while the quality is way too low to retain the nerds.

Now, what absolutely buttfucks that comment with a cactus is Solo. It should have attracted much more attention on its name alone, but didn't.
So who knows? All bets are off.

Will SW-fans crawl back to the cinema with a shabby excuse such as "I have to see the end of this for closure" or "TLJ wasn't that bad, right... right?"
Will normies just not care since the movies just don't do anything for them and the SW-Hype is gone to such a degree that there is no -for lack of a better word- peer pressure to watch it?
Will people be disenchanted with SW as a brand?

I can see this go either way and I hope for a massive bomb, but I expect a moderate success, where the movie makes a decent amount of money, but overall will fail to even come close to the success of the previous 2 movies. I expect 650mil, but I also expect an absurd drop in viewers in the first 2 weeks. Like 75% decrease each.

I dunno... I've talked to a few normies that can't even remember if they saw TLJ. The ST just has not had the cultural impact even the prequels enjoyed.

Really think about that a minute. At the end of ESB what questions did the audience have? "Is Vader really Luke's father? What's going to happen to Han?" They were INVESTED and RotJ had a huge opening.

What questions does the audience have after TLJ? There's literally no hook. Will the resistance win? Who cares, the rebellion won last time and it made no difference. Will the First Order be victorious? Again, who cares? We've barely seen them do anything bad to anybody save orange yoda. I need to invent new math to prove how badly Rian screwed up.

I will take up @GeneralFriendliness up on the bet. I think general culture apathy is going to hit EIX far harder than we realize.
 
Imma going to tell you my "What i'd have done if I was JJ Abrams" Pitch

OG SW was WW2
PT SW was WW2/Cold War (but done badly)

Sequel Trilogy Star Wars is 9-11 and the Global War on Terror [A thing many of the kid fans of the PT and Clone Wars series have experienced as actual soldiers]

Battle of Endor ends the war. But the Battle of Endor just didnt MAGICALLY end the war. While Luke/Leia/Han/Lando Et Al were doing the decapitation strike on imperial high command rebel forces Galaxy wide all struck.

Imperial forces and basically War Criminals imperial folks flee into the outer regions. Grand Admiral Thrawn signs the treaty paperwork where the new republic agrees not to pursue them, and do a general amnesty for mid to low tier imperials.

Leia and Mon Mothma run as part of a Parliamentary faction that is unable to secure the largest plurality but is part of a ruling coalition. Leia is kept on as the celebrity war hero in the government but she finds thats all of what she is used for. This starts to toxify her Marriage to Han. But she has kids, its hugely popular and gives her political career a boost....for a while. But that also taints the marriage.

Han takes a job at the Republic War Academy. Because not only was he a Hero, a General, and a Guerilla fighter. he was also a smuggler, a scoundral....AND a former Imperial officer. But BEING the Hero...being part of the government of the galaxy [even in a minor way] Chafes at him. He feels his desire to run off in the Falcon is super selfish given what all leia is going through. But the fact he doesnt tell her how unhappy he is taints their marriage.

Lando sells out and becomes stupid Rich. He tries to smarten up Leia on whats actually going on politically but she is to prideful and idealistic. He gets in a huge fight with Han after telling him he needs to man up in his marriage. Lando for those (and other reasons) helps finance the movement that kicks Leia back into the senate and out of former politics. Cutting him off from Leia for good. And he was the god father for their kids.

Luke spends his time finding all of the Jedi secrets out there [and putting the sith secret sin lock down]. Luke forms a new Jedi academy after INTENSE pressure from the New Republic. At the time of the new movie he still only has a handful of students. Han and Leia's son and Daughter are there and Itchy ((Chewbacca's son)) is there. Luke is distant from Han and Leia (over their dying and later dead marriage). The Death of the marriage hangs heavily on the Son of Han and Leia who was luke's first student. Less on the daughter who is the BEST student.

All of that changes when a former Imperial Loyalist world gets glassed by "Soldiers of the True Sith"

The New Republic senate is in turmoil as the new government [Primarily former imperials and business interests] is trying to figure out how to respond to this terrorist attack.

And Leia recieves word that a STORM TROOPER is on Tattooine in violation of the treaty of endor. He says he has a secret that will save the galaxy
I think you could do one without changing too much about the old EU before you hit the sequel trilogy, at least the stuff that happens before the next generation starts reaching adulthood.

So how I would do it is the death of the Emperor is the start of a new era, it's no longer the galactic civil war era. The war continues, but now starts the Imperial Pandemonium, or the Pandemonium era. You basically have the imperial warlords, moff council, political turmoil on Courscant, all of the early chaos from the old EU happens to the Galactic Empire, it doesn't collapse all at once, but it's clear that we're in the collapse period, just like the collapse of the Roman Empire didn't happen in a few years.

Han helps Chewie free the wookiees on Kashyyyk, Leia takes a leadership role of the Alliance, while Luke begins the first steps towards training other force users,.

Then you get a few events you could mention in the sequel trilogy, but that other writers instead can flesh out more. Names such as "The Thrawn campaign", "Cults of the dark side", "The New Mandalorian civil war", "The Rise of the Black Sun", etc.

The Solos have a kid they name Anakin Solo, because it would be stupid to name their kid after a man they didn't know, and I think it would be neat for a person of the Skywalker lineage and with the name Anakin that doesn't turn to the dark side, redeeming the lineage and the name Anakin in a way.

Training the solo kid then becomes Luke's primary goal as the child gets older, putting on hold training anyone else because it's important to get it right with the next generation.

The Empire manages to reorganize to some degree as the years pass, and the more competent leadership survives the infighting, but by exploiting the Empire's weakness the Alliance is surpassing it in strength. When the sequel trilogy is about to come to pass the Alliance is readying to capture Coruscant two decades after the death of the Emperor, but with the fall of Coruscant the Pandemonium era ends, the Empire becomes the Imperial Remnant, the Alliance becomes the New Republic and the Era of Devils begins as a conspiracy to topple the two galactic powers, and destroy the last remnants of the sith and jedi is put in motion
 
I dunno... I've talked to a few normies that can't even remember if they saw TLJ. The ST just has not had the cultural impact even the prequels enjoyed.

Really think about that a minute. At the end of ESB what questions did the audience have? "Is Vader really Luke's father? What's going to happen to Han?" They were INVESTED and RotJ had a huge opening.

What questions does the audience have after TLJ? There's literally no hook. Will the resistance win? Who cares, the rebellion won last time and it made no difference. Will the First Order be victorious? Again, who cares? We've barely seen them do anything bad to anybody save orange yoda. I need to invent new math to prove how badly Rian screwed up.

I will take up @GeneralFriendliness up on the bet. I think general culture apathy is going to hit EIX far harder than we realize.

Yeah the ST honestly feel like mindless mediocre popcorn flicks that are forgettable. Even fans of the ST prefer to watch the TV shows or read the books over it.
 
I'd just adapt Legacy of the Force but iron out the shitty parts. Offhandedly mention a big galactic war, doesn't even have to be the Vong. We're introduced to Jacen coming back as a big Jedi hero, then he begins to take over the Galactic Alliance and turn it into a terrorist state like in the books. Show some flashbacks to Anakin dying to give motive, have Jaina be your strong female protagonist, and we're all good.
 
Seems like "Evil Rey" is off the table and just a pointless "what if" vision... a shame, I had hoped that JJ, in his attempt to dissuade the endless row of "Mary Sue"-criticism, would make her turn evil and pull a GoT-Dany on the SW fandom. It would be too fucking funny if the same shit happened twice - especially given how people reacted when it happened in GoT . . .
. . . fuck.

What if that's the reason for the reshoots? They made Rey evil in the end of IX, but while they were editing, GoT did the same thing with catastrophic results and now they have to change it quickly?
A possible plot would be that Rey turns evil, but Leia (in a repurposed scene where she originally contacted Emo Ren) manages to talk her out of it and Rey becomes good again...
I doubt that's actually the case, but fuck wouldn't it be funny?

The whole reason they probably went all out with this shit is because Disney desperately wants to be the next Netflix, but there also a few saying that Disney+ is basically where Disney sends everything they have zero confidence in.
Disney+ is to modern Disney what "Direct to VHS" was to Disney 2 decades ago. Dumping ground for lackluster cashgrabs based on established IPs.

Yeah but they gotta tease those Reylos since they're the biggest part of the nu-fanbase. Its amazing really. The SW fanbase was always a bit messy and cringy but always shared common ground, then comes Disney and opens the floodgates to a whole new kind of horror that will make sure the fanbase and the franchise will never be same again. No future SW discussions will ever be had without someone bringing up how hot Rey and Kylo are or how Disney fucked up, not because of bad media, but because they didn't canonize PoeFinn.
At some point, a lot of people will look back at this period and realize that the worst thing ever to happen to the SW fandom was the large-scale invasion of shippers and their petty bullshit.

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My sides. I wish I could rate you Semper Fi more than once.

What questions does the audience have after TLJ?
"Is there ever going to be a point or coherent plot to this shitshow?" would be my first question.
 
If I had any say over these sequels, I would have borrowed elements from the EU (Solo twins, Mara Jade, Jedi academy, Rogue Squadron, Vong, etc.), I would have treated the Thrawn trilogy as canon to help fill the 30 year gap, and I would have had the New Republic and what's left of the Imperial forces have to work together to stop a terrible threat. This last point would have let me do something self indulgent on my part: Have Ackbar and Captain (now Admiral after Thrawn's defeat) Pelleaon work together and come to respect one another as they lead their respective fleets into battle. I love both character and I kind of want them to be cool with each other, lol.
 
Yeah, it really seems to me they're doing a new reality thing.

The Empire reammerges with thousands of ships and death star cannons? I just read its the old Star Destroyers too...

The resistance is a handfull of fighters and criminals?

They're going to get slaughtered in some sort of last stand moment. Then Rey is going to re-write everything. I just don't see how this works, otherwise...

You watch, this is gonna be some "Neverending Story" shit....
 
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