Manosphere Theodore "Teddy" Beale / Vox Day / Vox Popoli / Teddy Spaghetti - pretentious self-imporant Ultra-Right Science Fiction writer and publisher, jealous of Jordan Peterson.

[GranDuke]

This is a common trend among activists in general. They want a thing and they don't care how that thing is going to actually materialize in the real world.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Have they explained what they're going to do with all the mixed race people and couples, and all the non-white people who were born here and whose ancestors have been living here for generations, and thus don't fit in or have ties anywhere else? Because mass relocation usually results in a lot of deaths, and unless Vox and co. want to carve up the country, there won't be anywhere to relocate them to.

The part of the alt-right that isn't flying swastikas and ranting about gassing the Jews constantly are a lot like communists in that they're good at making what they want sound non-horrifying and can make some good points while arguing (tons of minorities in North America and Europe do practice blatant tribalism and it's allowed and even praised while white people getting within half a mile of it is the most evil thing ever, which has contributed heavily to the modern fucking up of western societies and race relations, all thanks to leftism, this is an alt-right talking point and is also absolutely true) but when you start thinking about how they're going to accomplish their agenda, that's when you start seeing the inevitable huge piles of bodies.

The usual refrain is 'Send them back!'. Where? Fucked if they know. It's like that tired song. 'You don't have to go home but you can't stay here'.

And while I'm quite tired of people refusing to assimilate (and will happily help load them into the catapults to eject them), what they're proposing is basically ethnic cleansing, and -- as you say -- it invariably seems to end in lots and lots of dead bodies.

 

[Rekkington]

those Europeans have shit the bed pretty comprehensively over the last couple centuries

lol what fucking universe do you live in?

 

[Doctor Placebo]

The usual refrain is 'Send them back!'. Where? Fucked if they know. It's like that tired song. 'You don't have to go home but you can't stay here'.

And while I'm quite tired of people refusing to assimilate (and will happily help load them into the catapults to eject them), what they're proposing is basically ethnic cleansing, and -- as you say -- it invariably seems to end in lots and lots of dead bodies.

That's why I specified non-white people who aren't recent immigrants but have been here for generations, and non-white people with mixed families. The "send them back" tagline doesn't work when there's no place they actually lived before here.

Do Teddy and co. think that the US government could round up all the black people in the inner cities, fly them out and drop them off in Nigeria or South Africa and the governments of Nigeria and South Africa would be okay with that? Because they wouldn't. They would say "fuck off, we're full," because they have their own problems and don't want to deal with a massive influx of immigrants who would need housing, jobs, and assimilation into their society. Plus the USA already did that once in Liberia after the Civil War, which resulted in the black immigrants from America taking over the country and a new violent ethnic divide.

But the truth is, like communists when it comes to freedom of speech, thought, and expression, people like Teddy and Richard Spencer don't want to talk about these issues because it makes them start to look really bad.

Anyway, I'm sure that Teddy making race the divide of whether someone can assimilate or not, despite many of his talking points about problems with immigration being about culture, values, and tribalism which are definitely not uniform across a race, has nothing to do with him being a white foreigner living in Italy. I'm sure he's not conveniently drawing a line around himself that makes him the acceptable kind of immigrant who is exempt from all his complaints about immigration.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Whenever I see a Vox Day blog post about Jordan Peterson, I can't help but think that it reads like something a scorned woman would write about a man who unceremoniously dumped her for someone more attractive.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

That's why I specified non-white people who aren't recent immigrants but have been here for generations, and non-white people with mixed families. The "send them back" tagline doesn't work when there's no place they actually lived before here.

Do Teddy and co. think that the US government could round up all the black people in the inner cities, fly them out and drop them off in Nigeria or South Africa and the governments of Nigeria and South Africa would be okay with that? Because they wouldn't. They would say "fuck off, we're full," because they have their own problems and don't want to deal with a massive influx of immigrants who would need housing, jobs, and assimilation into their society. Plus the USA already did that once in Liberia after the Civil War, which resulted in the black immigrants from America taking over the country and a new violent ethnic divide.

But the truth is, like communists when it comes to freedom of speech, thought, and expression, people like Teddy and Richard Spencer don't want to talk about these issues because it makes them start to look really bad.

Anyway, I'm sure that Teddy making race the divide of whether someone can assimilate or not, despite many of his talking points about problems with immigration being about culture, values, and tribalism which are definitely not uniform across a race, has nothing to do with him being a white foreigner living in Italy. I'm sure he's not conveniently drawing a line around himself that makes him the acceptable kind of immigrant who is exempt from all his complaints about immigration.

The thing is that a fair number of people know that shipping all the non-whites out of America is impossible: they just endorse it because they have the minimal self-awareness to know that proposing a Turner Diaries-style mass purge of all non-whites would upgrade them from "nutjobs" to "terroristic nutjobs".

 

[TitanWest]

Just the usual white ethnostate proponents who whine about how we (meaning America) need to refuse to accept anyone of non-European extraction.

Vox Day says shut down ALL immigration. I agree. We no longer have an expanding frontier to serve as a pressure release valve for incoming waves of immigrants. Also less immigration means a smaller labor pool and higher wages. We've already accepted immigration in far higher levels than anyone dreamed of.

They get all huffy when people point out that (a) those Europeans have shit the bed pretty comprehensively over the last couple centuries, and

But they were still Polish, French, German, etc. after they "shit the bed".

(b) such a refusal is an abrogation of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The Declaration of Independence abrogated the Magna Carta. The Constitution abrogated the Articles of Confederation. The 14th Amendment was passed unconstitutionally and at gunpoint. The Federal Government said "The Southern states are part of the US! You can't secede!" despite secession not being forbidden in The Constitution. Once the Federal Government won they were constitutionally required to give the Southern states representation. But they didn't want to do that. But at the same time they didn't want to say the South's secession was valid? So what did the North do? They made up a COMPLETELY unconstitutional argument stating that the Southern states somehow committed "suicide" and so the North had the right to pass the 14th Amendment at gunpoint with troops occupying The South from 1865 to 1877.

The Constitution was a power grab carried out in secret by men who were authorized to modify the Articles of Confederation rather than create a brand new document. The Antifederalists were vindicated. They predicted judicial activism, but were dismissed by Federalists like Alexander Hamilton. Now we have a government where one loony judge in the Ninth District can undermine override our immigration laws and the President's enumerated powers over our borders based on "Muh feels".

Legalistically or pragmatically our current system is invalid.

And while I'm quite tired of people refusing to assimilate (and will happily help load them into the catapults to eject them), what they're proposing is basically ethnic cleansing, and -- as you say -- it invariably seems to end in lots and lots of dead bodies.

Diversity leads to lots of dead bodies. Ethnic homogeneity is the solution.

Diversity is a ticking timebomb. Either we solve it as peacefully as possible like the Czechs and Slovaks did or we wait and the bomb blows up. Then we'll end up ethnically separating like the Turks and Greeks - millions dead but an uneasy peace afterwards.

That's why I specified non-white people who aren't recent immigrants but have been here for generations, and non-white people with mixed families. The "send them back" tagline doesn't work when there's no place they actually lived before here.

Why doesn't it work? It work for sending the Germans to Germany after WWII. If only some kind of territory/population exchange occurred. So many lives could have been spared.

Do Teddy and co. think that the US government could round up all the black people in the inner cities, fly them out and drop them off in Nigeria or South Africa and the governments of Nigeria and South Africa would be okay with that? Because they wouldn't. They would say "fuck off, we're full," because they have their own problems and don't want to deal with a massive influx of immigrants who would need housing, jobs, and assimilation into their society.

Those countries heavily depend upon our aid. They will accept them. The United States however will not be able to stay like this.

American Blacks take far more than they give. So we can save money by offering American Blacks money to return to Africa. US Dollars are worth a lot in places like Nigeria. Plus American blacks are higher IQ than African blacks (Except the Igbo). They'll do well there. It would be beneficial to have a relatively high IQ there that shares more in common with you than it would be to have the colonialist Chinese. We can work with Marcus Garvey-revering factions of Black Nationalists who want to repatriate back to Africa.

The remaining Blacks can stay as long as the government favors white birth rates and the remaining black people mix into the white population or become a small minority. Or give them semi-autonomous land around the "Black Belt" (AKA New Afrika). The US already has a federal system. We could incorporate ethnonationalism into that.

Either we do solutions like that or this timebomb blow up and we Balkanize.

Plus the USA already did that once in Liberia after the Civil War, which resulted in the black immigrants from America taking over the country and a new violent ethnic divide.

There was already (And still is) a violent ethnic divide in the US. The Americo-Liberians were Quadroons or even Octaroons. American Blacks are different. Plus the Americo-Liberians used slave labor from local Africans. Slave labor is now outdated and won't happen in Liberia the same way it did centuries ago.

But the truth is, like communists when it comes to freedom of speech, thought, and expression, people like Teddy and Richard Spencer don't want to talk about these issues because it makes them start to look really bad.

People in our society (Or any society) don't like talking about the flaws in our system. They like to speculate about what COULD go wrong with a new system rather than looking at what ALREADY goes wrong and will go wrong in our current system.

It's like a Soviet citizen fearing the dismantling of Communism because "Who will make the bread?" People tend to be blind to the flaws of their own society since they're so used to them. A new system often looks scary to those people. But eventually the system will fail so badly that enough people will realize we need a change.

Also Teddy HATES Richard Spencer's guts. He calls Spencer "fake left" and a media attention whore.

Anyway, I'm sure that Teddy making race the divide of whether someone can assimilate or not, despite many of his talking points about problems with immigration being about culture, values, and tribalism which are definitely not uniform across a race, has nothing to do with him being a white foreigner living in Italy.

Teddy makes "nation" the divide. Nation is a subset of race. Think German, French, Russian, etc.

White Americans are far more united with each other than they are with other races. Babies prefer caretakers of their own race. Study after study show everything from churches to school cafeterias being overwhelmingly self-segregated by race. In a couple of generations different white ethnicities become indistinguishable mutts. But Blacks, Asians, and American Indians? They've been here for FAR more generations and still are nowhere near as "assimilated" as whites.

White Americans are effectively our own mutt nation.

I'm sure he's not conveniently drawing a line around himself that makes him the acceptable kind of immigrant who is exempt from all his complaints about immigration.

Vox Day has accepted the fact that his children and him will never be Italians. The term "nation" derives from "to be born". Nation (In principle) is something you are born into rather than adopt. Germany and Italy were founded in the mid-1800's. Much later than America. But the concept of the German and Italian "nations" long predates their respective states. Similar story with Japanese, Chinese, and Jews.

Italy isn't full of mutts. They can spot an American from a mile away. When Vox first moved to the town everyone knew he wasn't Italian or that he was "That American guy who moved here" despite no one even seeing his picture beforehand. Vox even tells a funny story. There was an Italian woman who lived in the town Vox Day lived in. She told Vox that despite living in Vox's town for decades she never quite fit in as one of them.

The kicker? The town the woman was from was LITERALLY a football's throw away from Vox's town.

On a final note Vox calls himself a "Christian Nationalist". He's not a Dominionist. Just someone who believes that a state must be rooted on an ethnic nation and that it would be even better if that nation had a Christian culture. Logos has been essential for the development of The West. When we lost Logos our society slowly eroded into nihilism and postmodernism.

What is Logos? with Dr. E. Michael Jones

Full conversation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wayya8gdbVQ

www.youtube.com

 

[GranDuke]

The thing is that a fair number of people know that shipping all the non-whites out of America is impossible: they just endorse it because they have the minimal self-awareness to know that proposing a Turner Diaries-style mass purge of all non-whites would upgrade them from "nutjobs" to "terroristic nutjobs".

Makes me wonder if at some point left won't push for "send them back" being classified as a hate speech? Or has it been done already? It probably would make sense because everyone who bothers to think for 5 minutes about it understands that this is just a nice way of saying "ethnic cleansing".

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Makes me wonder if at some point left won't push for "send them back" being classified as a hate speech? Or has it been done already? It probably would make sense because everyone who bothers to think for 5 minutes about it understands that this is just a nice way of saying "ethnic cleansing".

Pretty much this in a nutshell.

To those Europhiles who object to my commentary: Europe managed to frag itself in two world wars and wipe out whole generations of menfolk, and guess who had to help put it back together? Yeah, us. So fuck 'em. They're not better than us. They're not even on the same level as us.

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Whenever I see a Vox Day blog post about Jordan Peterson, I can't help but think that it reads like something a scorned woman would write about a man who unceremoniously dumped her for someone more attractive.

They could've had something beautiful, if only Teddy would wash his penis and clean up that room.

 

[Flexo]

Diversity leads to lots of dead bodies. Ethnic homogeneity is the solution.

Diversity is a ticking timebomb. Either we solve it as peacefully as possible like the Czechs and Slovaks did or we wait and the bomb blows up. Then we'll end up ethnically separating like the Turks and Greeks - millions dead but an uneasy peace afterwards.

Diversity will always happen because no two people are alike. Just look at the Bible story of Cain & Abel where the world population consisted of 2 parents and 2 brothers. Bros were diverse enough from each other that one still got killed. The only way to truly avoid diversity is to be alone.

Anyway, today we overflow with bounty. First, a business update.

Vox Popoli: A change to the Caligan campaign

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Maybe conservatives are just able to think in non-binary terms.

Vox Popoli: They were never on our side

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Sure, we all have giant server farms and billions of dollars to lose every year.

Vox Popoli: Take them on or be taken down

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Autism war!

Vox Popoli: Mailvox: a complete failure to grok

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I do not buy this for a second.

Vox Popoli: He's welcome to it

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Why? Because he's made sure to claim credit in the past.

Vox Popoli: Atheists abandon "religion causes war" argument

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I'd accept his claim more if he admitted to changing his position or having grown up etc.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I'd accept his claim more if he admitted to changing his position or having grown up etc.

He really is a hypocrite whose rages seem to spring less from being intellectually insulted (passively or actively) and more from professional jealousy at other people. He's butthurt because other people are getting the fame, plaudits, and shekels that he is entitled to, damn it, because he's Vox fuckin' Day.

How can someone this smart* not understand that coming off as an unlikable cunt doesn't do a damn thing for your message or anything else your greasy fingers have touched?

* I know, I know. Assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[TitanWest]

Sorry for the Autismposting about Nationalism. "I have autism. Please be understanding". I'll stick more to talking about Vox's odd viewpoints:

Diversity will always happen because no two people are alike. Just look at the Bible story of Cain & Abel where the world population consisted of 2 parents and 2 brothers. Bros were diverse enough from each other that one still got killed. The only way to truly avoid diversity is to be alone.

True. But there's a massive difference between interpersonal diversity and interethnic diversity. Ethnic homogeneity doesn't guarantee a great society, but without it that society is doomed to failure.

To those Europhiles who object to my commentary: Europe managed to frag itself in two world wars and wipe out whole generations of menfolk, and guess who had to help put it back together? Yeah, us. So fuck 'em. They're not better than us. They're not even on the same level as us.

What do you mean by "us"?

America was 90% white and 9% black back then. We're not the same country we were back then. Instead of asking yourself what America did in the 1940's ask yourself what Mexico, China, etc. did during the 1940's. Those are the nations currently living in the USA.

Vox Day isn't pan-European nor is most of the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right views White America as its own nation with "cousin" nations like Germans, Italians, Russians, etc. loosely under the "European/White" umbrella. They don't want us to become one country united with all of Europe. They just want us to become one White American country here and to be friendly with our European cousins.

Vox Day has a very odd view on American Nationalism. It loosely aligns with what I described above, but Vox being Vox he has to be autistic and unique about it:

Spencer Quinn, "An Open Letter to Vox Day" | Counter-Currents Publishing

2,260 words Dear Vox, Regarding your recent Darkstream entitled "White Supremacy, White Nationalism, and Other Fictions," I'm finding myself having to infer what your position is on a n

www.counter-currents.com

Imo, White America is it's own nation stuck inside a state with Black America, Chicano America, etc. You want the America of the 1940's? Welcome to the Alt-Right then.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/c7YzrbeLbJE/

I do not buy this for a second.
Vox Popoli: He's welcome to it

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Why? Because he's made sure to claim credit in the past.

Vox Popoli: Atheists abandon "religion causes war" argument

voxday.blogspot.com

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I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the 2nd blogpost. Then I read the first blogpost. Vox doesn't mind people using similar arguments. He doesn't even think the first guy took his work. He just disagrees when people literally cite exact details from his work without even mentioning where they got it from. That's plagiarism.

I don't know why you guys disagree with Vox or think he's a lolcow. I don't agree with everything and he can come off as bigheaded sometimes, but he does decent work. He's fighting back against SJW's. He sued IndieGoGo into the ground and inspired the Google Insider to defect and leak. That's how the Right can win. We need to hit back. We need more people like that if we're going to push back on censorship. Vox is crass, but the man got results.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Personally I think he’s a lolcow because not only am a not a right winger with no desire to live in a Christian ethnostate, he’s an arrogant fucker who doesn’t make good faith argument and every argument that comes out of his dumb clock holster makes me want to punch his gamma nose off

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

There's also the fact that he seems to spend most of his time flying into a frothing rage at other right-wingers who are more successful than him, and the fact that there's basically no difference between his "gamma" and "sigma" other than that he really can't bear the fact that he's a "gamma" so he had to make up a difference (I COULD be an Alpha, but I don't WANT to, so there)

 

[Flexo]

True. But there's a massive difference between interpersonal diversity and interethnic diversity. Ethnic homogeneity doesn't guarantee a great society, but without it that society is doomed to failure.

But that's why you'll fail, why everything goes slippery slope - you have no measurable goal or end-state. Ethnic homogeneity had the same issue as the coastline paradox - especially with humans able to interbreed, how do you define where one ethnic ends and another begins? Without a clear definition, you will have purity spirals and witch trials.

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I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the 2nd blogpost. Then I read the first blogpost. Vox doesn't mind people using similar arguments. He doesn't even think the first guy took his work. He just disagrees when people literally cite exact details from his work without even mentioning where they got it from. That's plagiarism.

Oh that's just one instance, you can find others. I just don't see the reason to extend to him a generous reading he doesn't provide to others.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

True. But there's a massive difference between interpersonal diversity and interethnic diversity. Ethnic homogeneity doesn't guarantee a great society, but without it that society is doomed to failure.

Are Sicilians, Venetians, Genoans, Milanese, and Romans the same ethnicity? How about English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish? Parisians and the Basque? Punjabis, Parsis, Bengali, or Dogra? Hell, in the US the South and Midwest alone have distinctly different culinary, folkloristic, historical, cultural, and political differences that are arguably more severe than, say, people who live in Irun vs. Erreka. If you want to argue by what "historically worked", history shows that the nation-state is a liberal, universalist, and egalitarian concept created by the (((merchant class))) and academics to dissolve identities, encourage interbreeding between the races, and make it easier for them to accumulate wealth.

 

[Rekkington]

If you want to argue by what "historically worked", history shows that the nation-state is a liberal, universalist, and egalitarian concept

No.

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

I don't know why you guys disagree with Vox or think he's a lolcow. I don't agree with everything and he can come off as bigheaded sometimes, but he does decent work. He's fighting back against SJW's. He sued IndieGoGo into the ground and inspired the Google Insider to defect and leak. That's how the Right can win. We need to hit back. We need more people like that if we're going to push back on censorship. Vox is crass, but the man got results.

VoxDay is a lolcow not because he thinks this or that, it's more matter of character/style.
For what it is worth he could be a socialist or raging atheist, idc, but the most important qualities of lolcow are: inflated sense of self-importance and lack of self-awareness.
In this regard VoxDay is a pure lolcow.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

There's also the fact that he seems to spend most of his time flying into a frothing rage at other right-wingers who are more successful than him, and the fact that there's basically no difference between his "gamma" and "sigma" other than that he really can't bear the fact that he's a "gamma" so he had to make up a difference (I COULD be an Alpha, but I don't WANT to, so there)

Exactly. Vox's constant sperging about conservatives who are more successful than him reeks of jealousy and unwashed penis.