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[Magpie]

Spoiler: oh for the love of christ aka bird noises @ self dxing

So chucklenuts reblogged this, of course, and I find this amusing. Also bonus for the "autistic[x]" URL so probably not actually autistic or anything else they claim to be.

a. Many places offer low-cost or free therapy/counseling services. Vade has money to blow on weed and shit so one would assume they could make use of low cost therapy.

b. Your parents ain't abusive, Vade.

c. You aren't one of those people Vade. :v Also refer to point A.

d. This is true, but this probably doesn't apply to you.

e. I have been institutionalized against my will under the Baker Act in FL - multiple times. Only one of those was actually justifiable within the context of the law - the rest were not. I was absued there and it scared the shit out of me whenever I thought of seeking help again. I actually experienced violent ableism [forced medication, panic-inducing solitary confinement as "punishment", physical harm by staff when having a panic attack, verbal abuse by staff, threats of physical restraint by tying to the bed, the list honestly goes on] and all you dickweeds on Tumblr have to wail about is people questioning your self-diagnosis and maybe calling y'all stupid.

You think having those experiences in my life would make me OK with you making light of what I've been through? Ding dong, you are wrong! Go see a fucking doctor.

f. By and large you don't go to hospitals for mental health consultations like seriously. Clinics maybe? Most therapists I have been to are in a totally non-medical setting.

g. Yeah nah see I don't see people who "just wanna know what's going on " I see a bunch of bratty, shitty people who take mental illnesses as a Get Out Of Jail Free card for their abusive and/or generally awful behaviour then a find a community that'll enable it. Not to mention it also cheapens the struggles people who actually have the disorders in question and often alienates them.

Bonus: Yes because that's all that psychologists and psychiatrists do. Totally. They spend all of those years getting their PhDs just sitting and looking at the DSM, Web MD, and Wikipedia. Obviously any old boob can do it any time they please with the exact same amount of knowledge and accuracy. Also not to mention that many mental disorders have nuances that go completely unnoticed to the sufferer but are picked up on by outsiders, especially ones who spent years studying how to recognize and analyse these things.

Also fun fact the self-dxers are also taking this off and running like genderspecials took being trans. Apparently mental disorders are now self-determined and controlled as gender [heh] because I actually had someone call me a truscum of mental illness (I shit you not) because I still think you need an actual diagnosis - wow look at this gatekeeping.

And I have encountered many a self-dxer IN THE UK. THE NHS EXISTS. YA GET THAT SHIT FOR FREE*. AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS EVERYWHERE + CHEAP. Yet surprise, surprise these Tumblr kiddies still do it. All about attention and Oppression Points, nothing about actually wanting ~personal enlightenment~ or whatever bullshit they spout.

*Meds come at a low cost of £8 for a prescription but also if you are on disability benefits (which you can be if mentally ill, properly diagnosed and shit) they're free as well, soooo.... yeah.

also

Ya think?

Time for the daily breakdown I suppose.

 

[Ancani]

Spoiler: oh for the love of christ

So chucklenuts reblogged this, of course, and I find this amusing. Also bonus for the "autistic[x]" URL so probably not actually autistic or anything else they claim to be.

a. Many places offer low-cost or free therapy/counseling services. Vade has money to blow on weed and shit so one would assume they could make use of low cost therapy.

b. Your parents ain't abusive, Vade.

c. You aren't one of those people Vade. :v Also refer to point A.

d. This is true, but this probably doesn't apply to you.

e. I have been institutionalized against my will under the Baker Act in FL - multiple times. Only one of those was actually justifiable within the context of the law - the rest were not. I was absued there and it scared the shit out of me whenever I thought of seeking help again. I actually experienced violent ableism [forced medication, panic-inducing solitary confinement as "punishment", physical harm by staff when having a panic attack, verbal abuse by staff, threats of physical restraint by tying to the bed, the list honestly goes on] and all you dickweeds on Tumblr have to wail about is people questioning your self-diagnosis and maybe calling y'all stupid.

You think having those experiences in my life would make me OK with you making light of what I've been through? Ding dong, you are wrong! Go see a fucking doctor.

f. By and large you don't go to hospitals for mental health consultations like seriously. Clinics maybe? Most therapists I have been to are in a totally non-medical setting.

g. Yeah nah see I don't see people who "just wanna know what's going on " I see a bunch of bratty, shitty people who take mental illnesses as a Get Out Of Jail Free card for their abusive and/or generally awful behaviour then a find a community that'll enable it. Not to mention it also cheapens the struggles people who actually have the disorders in question and often alienates them.

Bonus: Yes because that's all that psychologists and psychiatrists do. Totally. They spend all of those years getting their PhDs just sitting and looking at the DSM, Web MD, and Wikipedia. Obviously any old boob can do it any time they please with the exact same amount of knowledge and accuracy. Also not to mention that many mental disorders have nuances that go completely unnoticed to the sufferer but are picked up on by outsiders, especially ones who spent years studying how to recognize and analyse these things.

Also fun fact the self-dxers are also taking this off and running like genderspecials took being trans. Apparently mental disorders are now self-determined and controlled as gender [heh] because I actually had someone call me a truscum of mental illness (I shit you not) because I still think you need an actual diagnosis - wow look at this gatekeeping.

Speaking as another mentally ill person who has issues with self-diagnosis...thank you for putting it into words better than I ever could.

I think there's validity in saying "I think I might have X but I'm not diagnosed," to be fair, but saying "I'm not professionally diagnosed but I totally have X and if you ask me to look into a professional opinion you're ableist scum" is fucking bullshit.

Personal story time. I thought I might have borderline personality disorder for a while--it's frequently misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder (which I DO have), and a lot of the symptoms seemed to fit.

So you know what I did?

I asked my therapist, who said that she was fairly certain I didn't have BPD. And I accepted that my assumption hadn't been correct, and that a trained professional is gonna know more about mental illness than a twenty-something kid with no training. It's not that fucking hard to grasp, self-dxers.

Sorry, I ranted a bit. It's just a sore subject.

 

[Magpie]

Speaking as another mentally ill person who has issues with self-diagnosis...thank you for putting it into words better than I ever could.

I think there's validity in saying "I think I might have X but I'm not diagnosed," to be fair, but saying "I'm not professionally diagnosed but I totally have X and if you ask me to look into a professional opinion you're ableist scum" is fucking bullshit.

Personal story time. I thought I might have borderline personality disorder for a while--it's frequently misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder (which I DO have), and a lot of the symptoms seemed to fit.

So you know what I did?

I asked my therapist, who said that she was fairly certain I didn't have BPD. And I accepted that my assumption hadn't been correct, and that a trained professional is gonna know more about mental illness than a twenty-something kid with no training. It's not that fucking hard to grasp, self-dxers.

Sorry, I ranted a bit. It's just a sore subject.

Spoiler: I was gonna PM Ancani but alas it didn't allow - still relevant but a bit OT

There is totally validity in thinking you have something and taking your own thoughts with a hefty pinch of salt. Bear it in mind, speak to a professional. I have no issue in realizing that someone who is specifically trained in that field will probably do it a lot better than I could. I go to a professional tattooist for my tattoos, a piercer for my piercings, a GP for my physical ailments outside of minor colds and such, and so on. Not gonna stop that trend with something as fragile as my mental health.

Also the other thing about self-diagnosers is that they never really seem to do anything to improve their "state". Some might be on antidepressants for the one thing they actually have diagnosed (being depression). They never seem to seek out therapy or anything that'll make them unfuck themselves. They just sit at home on Tumblr. I always use a fun lil story of mine to counter their bullshit (which often stoops to comparing saying you have a cold = saying you have umpteen mental illnesses). I have a gross ass mole on the back of my neck, thankfully under my hair. Everything about it looks cancerous, even my mother who is an NP with an oncology specialization got up in arms about it. By self-dxer logic, I would then have cancer. But instead I went to a doctor and he confirmed for me that no, it's not cancer. Just gross.

People who do this shit often harm my mental health more than help it. Seeing Vade and others scoop up BPD as their Diagnosis of the Now hurts because then my brain starts to think "wow what if I was one of them what if I'm making this up and I am just a piece of shit like they are" in spite of getting my diagnosis after being with two specialists (psychologist and psychiatrist working as a team) to diagnose me after a period of about two-three months analyzing me through talk therapy. Bonus I had never even known what BPD was before they diagnosed me so it's not like I plopped it on the table and said "hey tell me I have this" like most people on Tumblr seem to think psychiatry works. They don't get the extremity of what the listed symptoms also imply, like seriously in text/the DSM it's really toned down compared to the experience. They just go "oh yeah I feel empty sometimes (can easily be attributed to depression or I am sure being "normal" and bored, even) and I'm moody and don't know what I wanna do (did u mean: teenage years in a nutshell) also I cut (can be attributed to like every mental illness) and don't want people to leave me (normal feelings, but cranked up to hell in BPD) so I MUST BE BORDERLINE" as if that covers all the bases.

Meanwhile just today I had to convince myself while walking down the sidewalk to not throw myself into traffic. For no reason whatsoever I was wanting to kill myself. Similarly I had to fight the desire to self mutilate. Just another day in the life. I'm on meds (although they barely work, sadly), I'm at a great uni studying something I love, I have awesome friends and a healthy, supportive relationship and family, and have learned many a coping mechanism through my time in DBT. I really take it to heart when there are people watering down this shit for the sake of trying to win Internet arguments.

And funnily enough, I actually thought I was comorbid with BPD and Bipolar Type 2. Talked to professional about it, and with his input and such I was able to realize that nah it's just the BPD doing its BPD thing. My emotions cycle way, way, way too rapidly for it to be Bipolar, we think. Pffft at any rate sorry for the wall of text y'all.

 

[Bliiizzard]

Spoiler: oh for the love of christ aka bird noises @ self dxing

So chucklenuts reblogged this, of course, and I find this amusing. Also bonus for the "autistic[x]" URL so probably not actually autistic or anything else they claim to be.

a. Many places offer low-cost or free therapy/counseling services. Vade has money to blow on weed and shit so one would assume they could make use of low cost therapy.

b. Your parents ain't abusive, Vade.

c. You aren't one of those people Vade. :v Also refer to point A.

d. This is true, but this probably doesn't apply to you.

e. I have been institutionalized against my will under the Baker Act in FL - multiple times. Only one of those was actually justifiable within the context of the law - the rest were not. I was absued there and it scared the shit out of me whenever I thought of seeking help again. I actually experienced violent ableism [forced medication, panic-inducing solitary confinement as "punishment", physical harm by staff when having a panic attack, verbal abuse by staff, threats of physical restraint by tying to the bed, the list honestly goes on] and all you dickweeds on Tumblr have to wail about is people questioning your self-diagnosis and maybe calling y'all stupid.

You think having those experiences in my life would make me OK with you making light of what I've been through? Ding dong, you are wrong! Go see a fucking doctor.

f. By and large you don't go to hospitals for mental health consultations like seriously. Clinics maybe? Most therapists I have been to are in a totally non-medical setting.

g. Yeah nah see I don't see people who "just wanna know what's going on " I see a bunch of bratty, shitty people who take mental illnesses as a Get Out Of Jail Free card for their abusive and/or generally awful behaviour then a find a community that'll enable it. Not to mention it also cheapens the struggles people who actually have the disorders in question and often alienates them.

Bonus: Yes because that's all that psychologists and psychiatrists do. Totally. They spend all of those years getting their PhDs just sitting and looking at the DSM, Web MD, and Wikipedia. Obviously any old boob can do it any time they please with the exact same amount of knowledge and accuracy. Also not to mention that many mental disorders have nuances that go completely unnoticed to the sufferer but are picked up on by outsiders, especially ones who spent years studying how to recognize and analyse these things.

Also fun fact the self-dxers are also taking this off and running like genderspecials took being trans. Apparently mental disorders are now self-determined and controlled as gender [heh] because I actually had someone call me a truscum of mental illness (I shit you not) because I still think you need an actual diagnosis - wow look at this gatekeeping.

And I have encountered many a self-dxer IN THE UK. THE NHS EXISTS. YA GET THAT SHIT FOR FREE*. AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS EVERYWHERE + CHEAP. Yet surprise, surprise these Tumblr kiddies still do it. All about attention and Oppression Points, nothing about actually wanting ~personal enlightenment~ or whatever bullshit they spout.

*Meds come at a low cost of £8 for a prescription but also if you are on disability benefits (which you can be if mentally ill, properly diagnosed and shit) they're free as well, soooo.... yeah.

also

Ya think?

Time for the daily breakdown I suppose.

Vade's parents obviously care enough to get them professionally diagnosed with Depression, so right there shows that they doesn't live in an abusive home. Plus I doubt it's hard to find a clinic close to them that would give them a diagnoses for not that much (I'm not American I honestly don't know how much people pay for medical stuff), I'm assuming their town isn't too small for a clinic like mine if they can get fast food and there's a pet clinic nearby.

It's just so sickening, I know you're not supposed to make things personal with a Lolcow but they honestly has so many things that I cannot get/be because of my parents/where I live and yet they complain daily about their struggles. Like bitch my parents laughed in my face for wanting to get checked out for any mental illnesses I think I might have, yet you can piss and moan on Tumblr for people not taking your self-diagnoses seriously even though you have been professionally diagnosed before.

 

[Meowthkip]

Nah, guys, nah.

A bunch of sheltered teenagers using Web MD are totally just as qualified as any neurotypical "medical professional" scum.

How hard can it possibly be to be a doctor, amirite?

 

[Fredegunde]

I've always wondered about the "some people have abusive parents" part of that screed. If your parents are preventing you from getting medical help, then you have way bigger immediate problems than whether or not someone on Tumblr believes your self-diagnosis.

Plus the presence of your abusive parents is automatically skewing the results. One of my friends in high school had a huge drug problem, to the point where I honestly thought she would never get clean. As soon as she moved out of her parents' house, the problem went away, and even after having a mental breakdown because of past abuse, she's never relapsed. You could genuinely have, for instance, clinical depression that your parents are preventing from being diagnosed, but you could also equally feel depressed because you're being abused.

 

[Bliiizzard]

I've always wondered about the "some people have abusive parents" part of that screed. If your parents are preventing you from getting medical help, then you have way bigger immediate problems than whether or not someone on Tumblr believes your self-diagnosis.

Plus the presence of your abusive parents is automatically skewing the results. One of my friends in high school had a huge drug problem, to the point where I honestly thought she would never get clean. As soon as she moved out of her parents' house, the problem went away, and even after having a mental breakdown because of past abuse, she's never relapsed. You could genuinely have, for instance, clinical depression that your parents are preventing from being diagnosed, but you could also equally feel depressed because you're being abused.

I'm guessing it really depends with that. My parents love me and treat me right but there's no way in hell I could ever go to a psychologist or come out and tell them I'm trans/gay. You'd think they'd care a bit more about mental health considering my sister's suicide but they don't seem to. I don't consider it abuse but I guess if it's tied in with other problematic behaviours it'd be considered as such.

 

[Silver]

I've always wondered about the "some people have abusive parents" part of that screed. If your parents are preventing you from getting medical help, then you have way bigger immediate problems than whether or not someone on Tumblr believes your self-diagnosis.

Plus the presence of your abusive parents is automatically skewing the results. One of my friends in high school had a huge drug problem, to the point where I honestly thought she would never get clean. As soon as she moved out of her parents' house, the problem went away, and even after having a mental breakdown because of past abuse, she's never relapsed. You could genuinely have, for instance, clinical depression that your parents are preventing from being diagnosed, but you could also equally feel depressed because you're being abused.

My ex-boyfriend basically has this going on. His abusive father refuses to support his attempts to see if he has depression... which I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did considering what a massive asshole his father is

 

[harvey dirdban]

I like how "phobia of hospitals" is on the list of supposedly valid reasons not to get a real diagnosis. If you have a phobia that can literally kill you, it's not just a fun cute quirky personality trait to list on your Tumblr sidebar, it's something you really need to get help with. Plus most therapists' offices aren't very hospital-like at all.

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

I've always wondered about the "some people have abusive parents" part of that screed. If your parents are preventing you from getting medical help, then you have way bigger immediate problems than whether or not someone on Tumblr believes your self-diagnosis.

Plus the presence of your abusive parents is automatically skewing the results. One of my friends in high school had a huge drug problem, to the point where I honestly thought she would never get clean. As soon as she moved out of her parents' house, the problem went away, and even after having a mental breakdown because of past abuse, she's never relapsed. You could genuinely have, for instance, clinical depression that your parents are preventing from being diagnosed, but you could also equally feel depressed because you're being abused.

Exactly, just because you live in a shitty environment and you have negative feelings and emotions as a result of it does not necessarily make you have a disorder because sometimes your fucking environment impacts you more than what you get from your genes. If you live in an abusive home and you feel fucking depressed, chances are, there is a DAMN good chance that you are depressed BECAUSE of being abused and not treated right. And yeah, in that case, try to get the fuck out of the abusive environment ASAP if it's seriously giving you that much of a negative impact on your mental and emotional health. I have to agree, the prescence of abusive parents or abusive people is DEFINITELY automatically skewing the results of one's mental health. Why do tumblr and pro-self dxer's in general fail to fucking realize this?

 

[Lurker]

She said it, not me. Although I do agree. C:

Awwwww.

HAWWWHAWWWWWW.

You don't feel like a shithead. You aren't capable of feeling remorse. And you'll be made fun of regardless because you're a stupid fat lolcow.

 

[fishercat]

Thinking about it will make her crash into slumber.

 

[Ace_Reloaded]

People like Vade can screech all the feel-good reasons for self-Dx they want, but it all rings hollow because they don't want to DO anything with that diagnosis. They just want to slap it on as a label to excuse their behavior and make themselves special. I'm all for people taking note of their symptoms and doing research, IF they use that as a starting point. "Hey, I've been feeling this way and now after research I've learned there may be a medical reason why. I'm going to start looking in to therapy/psychiatry/whatever so I can help myself out and improve." If they use it as inspiration to start saving money for therapy or looking ahead to where they can find clinics or help, that's great. If someone wants to just slap on as many special poor-pitiful-me labels as they can, fuck them.

Also what autisticwonder up there failed to mention, the DSM is used largely for medical billing - it provides basic, clear-cut labels and qualifications for diagnoses. By necessity diagnoses need to be refined and generalized, otherwise they would be an insurance nightmare. A therapist will use MUCH more than just checking symptoms in it to diagnose you. That's what their years of training, research and experience are for. They'll use the DSM to designate a few specific codes for your situation so their billing specialist doesn't yank their hair out. It's a guide, a tool in the varied toolbelt of psychology, not a "check off symptoms and find what disorder you have!!!" Quizilla book ffs.

 

[DirtbagDeluxe]

Brief whiny dump - Vade's been deleting stuff randomly, so mostly just posting these for the sake of posterity.

Vade's been on this weird Gorillaz kick and bringing up Murdoc being shitty apropos of nothing, if you're wondering what the last bit is about.

Read More leads to -

Why would this even need to be under a cut? Also, since people always seem to think there's a glimmer of self-awareness peeking through, I'll save you the trouble: there isn't.

There's a couple others but they are basically the equivalent of Vade farting on her keyboard. All of my bones for her rant blog URL

Meltdown Scale: 0/10

Goodnight, folks, spay and neuter your pets

EDIT: Spoke too soon

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST vade has pink-eye

 

[Scribbler]

Brief whiny dump - Vade's been deleting stuff randomly, so mostly just posting these for the sake of posterity.

Vade's been on this weird Gorillaz kick and bringing up Murdoc being shitty apropos of nothing, if you're wondering what the last bit is about.

Read More leads to -

Why would this even need to be under a cut? Also, since people always seem to think there's a glimmer of self-awareness peeking through, I'll save you the trouble: there isn't.

There's a couple others but they are basically the equivalent of Vade farting on her keyboard. All of my bones for her rant blog URL

Meltdown Scale: 0/10

Goodnight, folks, spay and neuter your pets

I'm pretty sure the Gorillaz kick has to do with their recent return and album announcement. Still annoying though. Of course Murdoc is nasty, that's how he was written to be.

 

[lolwut]

I'm pretty sure the Gorillaz kick has to do with their recent return and album announcement. Still annoying though. Of course Murdoc is nasty, that's how he was written to be.

But that's not going to stop her from shipping him and 2d, saying it's cannon, and making them both trans/autistic/otherkin/proletarians/samsonites/etc, etc....

 

[Bliiizzard]

But that's not going to stop her from shipping him and 2d, saying it's cannon, and making them both trans/autistic/otherkin/proletarians/samsonites/etc, etc....

They actually mentioned that they don't understand how people ship 2D and Murdoc together, probably because Murdoc is an actual shitlord towards 2D, but they have to piss and moan about something that was talked about 10 years ago. But there is no doubt in my mind they'll throw a hundred stupid tags onto them.

 

[TundranVoltaire]

So this

Was Vade vagueblogging about this on my blog

But I'm the one "stalking" and "harassing." Sure.

 

[Meowthkip]

So this

Was Vade vagueblogging about this on my blog

But I'm the one "stalking" and "harassing." Sure.

When I'm upset, I mentally pretend I'm Batman. Or Tank Girl.

Does this mean I am Batman-kin?

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

When I'm upset, I mentally pretend I'm Batman. Or Tank Girl.

Does this mean I am Batman-kin?

Let me see if I get the tumblrese right:
My headcannon is now that you are Batman-kin.
You're the kiwi tumblr deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
You are a silent guardian.
A watchful protector of tumblr.
A shield against the autism.
The Derp Night.