Science No single ‘gay gene’ determines same-sex sexual behavior, DNA analysis finds

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A new study that analyzed the DNA of nearly half a million people has found that, while genetic differences play a significant role in sexual behavior, there is no single gene responsible.

The findings, which looked at behavior and not sexual identity, debunk the notion of a singular “gay gene.” Even when all tested genetic variants were taken into account, they collectively accounted for no more than a quarter of the same-sex behavior reported by the study participants.

Instead, the results published Thursday in the journal Science hint at the complex blend of factors that influence human sexuality, including society and the environment.

“The findings themselves reinforce this idea that diversity of sexual behavior across humanity is really a natural part of our overall diversity as a species,” said Benjamin Neale, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and one of the study’s senior authors. “That’s a really meaningful and important result.”

Though estimates of same-sex experiences vary, a 2016 CDC study of U.S. adults found that 6.2% of men and 17.4% of women between the ages of 18 and 44 reported at least one same-sex experience in their lifetimes. A smaller portion, 1.3% of women and 1.9% of men, described themselves as lesbian or gay, and 5.5% of women and 2.0% of men said they were bisexual — underscoring the difference between sexual behavior and sexual identity.

Scientists have long probed the nature of same-sex behavior, finding some evidence in twin studies that genetics plays a role. But such research has typically involved small numbers of people and hasn’t used modern methods of genomic analysis, scientists said.

“I had seen some quite poor studies of small samples and false claims and things, so I was glad that finally this topic was examined in a very scientific way with a large sample,” said Melinda Mills, a social and molecular geneticist at the University of Oxford who was not involved in the work.

Neale and an international team of researchers performed what’s known as a genome-wide association study. That involves using statistical methods to search for connections between SNPs — single nucleotide polymorphisms, or individual differences in a single building block in the genetic code — and a particular trait.

Finding clear and verifiable patterns in genetic data requires a huge sample, and the scientists knew where to find it. They pulled 408,995 individual records from the UK Biobank as well as 68,527 records from the U.S.-based personal genomics company 23andMe. This gave them an overall sample size of 477,522 people, 26,827 of whom reported same-sex sexual behavior.

The researchers found two significant spots in the genome that were linked to same-sex behavior across people of both sexes. And when they analyzed male and female genomes separately, they found three more — two specifically for men and one specifically for women — bringing the total number of significant genetic markers up to five.

Nonetheless, when taken all together, these five locations on the genome could account for much less than 1% of same-sex sexual behavior on a population level, the researchers said.

Using a different analytical technique, the scientists found that, when taking into account all of the subtle influences of many, many markers across the genome that they did not specifically identify, genetics could potentially account for up to 8% to 25% of the population’s same-sex behavior. That’s because, in all likelihood, a huge and currently unknown number of genetic markers probably play infinitesimally tiny roles in shaping behavior, Neale said.

Another analysis in the paper, which did not focus on DNA but on familial relationships between 106,979 pairs of individuals, suggested that a slightly larger share of the variation in same-sex behavior, 32.4%, could be attributed to genetics. That number may take into account other complex genetic effects beyond SNPs, though it might also be influenced by some assumptions baked into the framework, the scientists said.

Among the five significant SNPs they found, the ones specific to men were linked to smell receptor genes, sensitivity to certain scents and regulation of sex hormones such as testosterone.

That finding “makes a certain amount of sense,” Neale said, “but again, we don’t have much more to say beyond that sort of high-level description.”

The incomplete overlap between the genetic markers linked to male and female same-sex behaviors is a sign that slightly different processes may be at work in men and women when it comes to sexual behavior. It may also speak to differing influences of gendered social norms, said Mills, who wrote a commentary on the results.

It certainly means that human sexuality is nowhere near as simplistic as some would like to believe, she added.

“There is an inclination to reduce sexuality to genetic determinism,” she wrote. In some cases, this view is intended to reduce the stigma associated with same-sex behavior; in others, it’s to classify it as pathological. But the findings show that while a host of genetic markers may help explain the underlying diversity of human sexual behavior, these markers are far too complex to either predict or prevent it.

If less than one-third of a population’s sexual behavior is linked to genetics, where does the rest come from? Environment, culture and other factors may play a significant role, Neale said.

It’s somewhat akin to traits like height, which have a certain genetic component but can also be influenced by a complex array of other factors, such as nutrition and environment.

Exactly which environmental and cultural factors play a role is unclear, because those are varied and complex and are much harder to pin down and study than specific genetic markers, the study authors said.

“The genome is a big place,” Neale said. Even so, he added, “we can systematically evaluate it like we do here. We have no comparable tool for thinking about the environment.”

The scientists also looked specifically at the “nonheterosexual” subjects in the study — those who had at least one same-sex experience — and asked them what proportion of their sexual partners were of the same sex. Responses varied across a six-point scale, from “other sex mostly” to “same sex only.”

In this respect, the researchers found, genetics had a stronger influence on same-sex behavior in men than in women.

They also saw that the genetic factors influencing the proportion of same-sex to other-sex partners a person had were different from the ones that separated those who had any same-sex experiences from those who had only other-sex experiences.

This means that the Kinsey scale and other frameworks for sexual behavior that assume that more same-sex attraction means less opposite-sex attraction are not accurate. They must be based on a misunderstanding or an oversimplification of the processes at work, the scientists said.

“From a genetic standpoint, there is no single [continuum] from opposite-sex to same-sex sexual behaviors,” said lead author Andrea Ganna, a human geneticist at the Institute of Molecular Medicine in Finland.

This confirmation of the wide diversity of sexual behavior echoes what the researchers said they heard in discussions of the results with representatives of the LGBTQ community.

“The LGBTQ-plus community has been arguing for a long time that there’s this range of sexualities; it’s not binary: zero and one,” Mills said. “I think that’s what those additional analyses show.”

The scientists were quick to point out that the findings were population-based and could not be applied on an individual level. They also warned that the work should not in any case be used to try to “convert” people who engage in same-sex behaviors, and that to consider doing so would be a gross misrepresentation of the study’s findings.

“Simply put, that is not an appropriate reflection or representation of the work that we’ve done,” Neale said.

Officials with GLAAD, an LGBTQ advocacy organization, praised the work.

“This new study provides even more evidence that that being gay or lesbian is a natural part of human life, a conclusion that has been drawn by researchers and scientists time and again,” GLAAD Chief Programs Officer Zeke Stokes said in a statement. The work “also reconfirms the long-established understanding that there is no conclusive degree to which nature or nurture influence how a gay or lesbian person behaves.”

Nancy Cox, a human geneticist at Vanderbilt University who was not involved in the study, praised the scientists for considering so many of the complexities inherent in the subject of sexual behavior.

“I hope we continue to think of this more the way we do many other kinds of behaviors that don’t have the drama and charge that these behaviors have often had,” Cox added.

The researchers acknowledged some limitations to the study. For example, the research focused mostly on individuals of European ancestry. It also did not include people whose biological sex and self-identified sex or gender did not match.

“The analyses do not include transgender persons, intersex persons, and other important persons and groups within the queer community,” the study authors wrote. “We hope that this limitation will be addressed in future work.”

Their findings are far from the final word on the unknown complexities of human sexuality, the researchers said.

“In a lot of ways, this work poses more questions than answers,” Neale said.
 
If there were, we'd have the cure for things like schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder and other varieties of mental disorders. I believe there was a study that showed that gorillas didn't suffer from depression and it was because they had fewer chromosomes than people, but as it turned out, it wasn't because there was one removed but two that fused. I don't remember where I saw this study but I figured I'd bring it up since it's interesting genetic trivia that I happen to remember.

Just have to quote this:

BMJ, 2007 Sep 1; 335(7617): 445.
doi: 10.1136/bmj.39245.483900.AD
PMCID: PMC1962864
A depressed gorilla
Olimpia Claudia Pop, senior house officer, South West London and St George's Mental Health NHS Trust, London
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer


My secretary said: “There is a very unusual patient…” (being a psychiatrist, however, I don't find “unusual patients” really come as a surprise to me) “a gorilla, an agitated gorilla.”
“Is it in A&E?” I blurted out.
“No, no, it's in the zoo. The vet wants your advice.”
The whole unit soon knew the story: the consultant in whose catchment area the zoo fell claimed it should be his patient, one colleague asked in an irritated manner if we were now supposed to cover the zoo as well, and many, including my room-mates, wanted to join me at the initial assessment.
So far so good, but when I got there the story was not funny at all. The gorilla, who had been the alpha male for years and was a very easy going guy, had suddenly lost interest in the leadership position and become withdrawn, which had led to fights between the other males for the leadership. The worst part was that he was constantly chewing his feet. He had already lost the proximal phalanx of one of his big toes and had a few big holes in his soles.
The vet couldn't find any medical reason for the gorilla's condition and so had resorted to a psychiatrist.
After two hours of discussion with the zookeeper and the vet and observing the dynamics of the gorillas, I came to the conclusion that my patient was depressed and decided to give him a gradually increasing dose of escitalopram. We increased this up to 50 mg as his weight was around 200 kg. At first, this seemed to have a good effect: he became less irritable and let the zookeepers care for his wounds. Everyone was enthusiastic about his progress apart from me, as I knew that the course of psychiatric illness is unpredictable and that I should not get too excited if a patient gets better or too disappointed if he gets worse.
I was right, as his improvement was not maintained. I suggested antipsychotics, as indicated in humans for automutilation, but his carers declined. Their backup plan was to send him to a zoo in Spain, and, as far as I know, he is still waiting to go to a sunnier place.
 
Don't be mad that you're a fag and it's incurable. I've heard electric shocks really help though, maybe you could try that?
Old and weak, step up your bait next time.

There seems to be misunderstanding over a comment

@Senior Lexmechanic said "the majority who..."

You interpreted it as him saying "the majority", whereas he was talking about the majority of a pre-qualified group.

It's the difference between "the majority (who by the way also wear green hats)" and "the majority (of green hat wearing people)"
This is the point I'm making. The majority of people who have highly negative attitudes towards homosexuality, and specifically those who want to outlaw homosexual activity, are operating under the belief that homosexuality is a conscious choice on behalf of the homosexual which offends God.
 
Old and weak, step up your bait next time.


This is the point I'm making. The majority of people who have highly negative attitudes towards homosexuality, and specifically those who want to outlaw homosexual activity, are operating under the belief that homosexuality is a conscious choice on behalf of the homosexual which offends God.

What do you mean “a conscious choice”? Of course homosexuality to an extent is a choice.

Nobody is hypnotizing gay men to go out and suck cock. The expression “slave to my cock” is just an expression you know.

Humans are born with innate wants and desires. But whether we give in to those, is always a choice.
 
What do you mean “a conscious choice”? Of course homosexuality to an extent is a choice.

Nobody is hypnotizing gay men to go out and suck cock. The expression “slave to my cock” is just an expression you know.

Humans are born with innate wants and desires. But whether we give in to those, is always a choice.
I mean that the belief is that homosexuals consciously choose to be attracted to men (with the motive of "because they hate God/Western Civilization" usually).
 
I mean that the belief is that homosexuals consciously choose to be attracted to men (with the motive of "because they hate God/Western Civilization" usually).

Is there evidence of the majority of people opposing homosexuality having this belief?

I've mostly just encountered those who do not think those desires are a choice in the group that has negative attitudes to homosexuality, but I haven't paid close attention to the topic, so I'm curious what it's based on. Is it based on personal experiences? Leading political voices? Studies?
 
Is there evidence of the majority of people opposing homosexuality having this belief?

I've mostly just encountered those who do not think those desires are a choice in the group that has negative attitudes to homosexuality, but I haven't paid close attention to the topic, so I'm curious what it's based on. Is it based on personal experiences? Leading political voices? Studies?
Personal experience. I live in the Bible Belt, and that's the prevailing attitude (often beneath a veneer of secular justification involving homosexual activity being banned because of "health risks") among people I've talked to about it. I'll fully admit that the underlying rationale may be different in other countries or other parts of the US.
 
Personal experience. I live in the Bible Belt, and that's the prevailing attitude (often beneath a veneer of secular justification involving homosexual activity being banned because of "health risks") among people I've talked to about it. I'll fully admit that the underlying rationale may be different in other countries or other parts of the US.

Thanks, I was curious and this sates my curiosity.

It's interesting, the daily stupidity I run into is on the exact opposite end, living in perhaps the most godless of Dutch areas.
 
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"No single ‘gay gene’ determines same-sex sexual behavior, DNA analysis finds"

Kinda misleading title because there is two ways to interpret this:

1. Homosexuality is not genetic, hence, homosexuality can be caused by external factors (and this is very dangerous, or rather, opens the gate for dangerous situations) or
2. Homosexuality just happens randomly and that's fine.

Which sounds less likely to be actually formulated by a scientist?

For starters, nothing happens randomly in nature. Everything has a reason and a purpose, that's practically a main law of evolution. All living beings need to reproduce, and as you can't reproduce with a partner of your same sex, the pairing will always be "sex + opposite sex". People have named that "heterosexuality" to that mandatory behavior while "homosexuality" happens to be the exception, It's really not that much complicated. Homosexuals are the exception and we aren't helping by saying they're the norm. I see no reasons to lie to them.

Now, one of the sources of the article says this (bold by me). It's a "commentary" of the results:

Studies have indicated that same-sex orientation and behavior has a genetic basis and runs in families, yet specific genetic variants have not been isolated (1). Evidence that sexual orientation has a biological component could shape acceptance and legal protection: 4 to 10% of individuals report ever engaging in same-sex behavior in the United States, so this could affect a sizeable proportion of the population

This sound a little bit like propaganda or rather, that this study has a political purpose specifically rather than the science itself.

Also, note the part that is underlined: 4 to 10% of individuals report ever engaging in same-sex behavior in the United States. That "same sex behavior" could be anything from being actually homosexual or simply being like Shoe0nHead and pretend you're bisexual because you once kissed another woman like drunk. Let's pretend a "gay gene" exists. If the dna of a person who acts like this gets tested, it won't show any evidence of such "gay gene".

Now, I have yet to investigate more about the people involved in this study and commentary because I see some info is contradictory (and I don't want to make this longer than it should be), but overall, we already have some information about the what causes a woman to be a lesbian: exposure to testosterone in the womb is a common factor for a woman to later be homosexual. So, while not genetic, we see a factor exists. It's not considered a "disease" or an "illness" because it's not, it doesn't qualify as such, but it's not as "natural" as people make it believe. I think the reason they push this "it's normal!" narrative is because they know we'll get to a point where we'll be able to diagnose a person could be gay while still in the womb and we'll also be able to modify it.
 
"No single ‘gay gene’ determines same-sex sexual behavior, DNA analysis finds"

Kinda misleading title because there is two ways to interpret this:

1. Homosexuality is not genetic, hence, homosexuality can be caused by external factors (and this is very dangerous, or rather, opens the gate for dangerous situations) or
2. Homosexuality just happens randomly and that's fine.

Which sounds less likely to be actually formulated by a scientist?

For starters, nothing happens randomly in nature. Everything has a reason and a purpose, that's practically a main law of evolution. All living beings need to reproduce, and as you can't reproduce with a partner of your same sex, the pairing will always be "sex + opposite sex". People have named that "heterosexuality" to that mandatory behavior while "homosexuality" happens to be the exception, It's really not that much complicated. Homosexuals are the exception and we aren't helping by saying they're the norm. I see no reasons to lie to them.

Now, one of the sources of the article says this (bold by me). It's a "commentary" of the results:

Studies have indicated that same-sex orientation and behavior has a genetic basis and runs in families, yet specific genetic variants have not been isolated (1). Evidence that sexual orientation has a biological component could shape acceptance and legal protection: 4 to 10% of individuals report ever engaging in same-sex behavior in the United States, so this could affect a sizeable proportion of the population

This sound a little bit like propaganda or rather, that this study has a political purpose specifically rather than the science itself.

Also, note the part that is underlined: 4 to 10% of individuals report ever engaging in same-sex behavior in the United States. That "same sex behavior" could be anything from being actually homosexual or simply being like Shoe0nHead and pretend you're bisexual because you once kissed another woman like drunk. Let's pretend a "gay gene" exists. If the dna of a person who acts like this gets tested, it won't show any evidence of such "gay gene".

Now, I have yet to investigate more about the people involved in this study and commentary because I see some info is contradictory (and I don't want to make this longer than it should be), but overall, we already have some information about the what causes a woman to be a lesbian: exposure to testosterone in the womb is a common factor for a woman to later be homosexual. So, while not genetic, we see a factor exists. It's not considered a "disease" or an "illness" because it's not, it doesn't qualify as such, but it's not as "natural" as people make it believe. I think the reason they push this "it's normal!" narrative is because they know we'll get to a point where we'll be able to diagnose a person could be gay while still in the womb and we'll also be able to modify it.
The third, and likely correct, way to interpret it is "homosexuality is caused by a wide variety of different factors acting together, and much like many other complex neurological conditions, attempting to prevent or induce it will likely be futile".
 
>“The findings themselves reinforce this idea that diversity of sexual behavior across humanity is really a natural part of our overall diversity as a species,” said Benjamin Neale, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and one of the study’s senior authors. “That’s a really meaningful and important result.”
Absolutely whatever the results of the study were, he still would have said this same exact marketing department bullshit.
 
The third, and likely correct, way to interpret it is "homosexuality is caused by a wide variety of different factors acting together, and much like many other complex neurological conditions, attempting to prevent or induce it will likely be futile".

I agree, although that's something we know SO FAR. Nothing says we'll eventually find the actual reason and some will try to prevent it.
 
What do you mean “a conscious choice”? Of course homosexuality to an extent is a choice.

Nobody is hypnotizing gay men to go out and suck cock. The expression “slave to my cock” is just an expression you know.

Humans are born with innate wants and desires. But whether we give in to those, is always a choice.
Why shouldn’t they give into them though? Two dudes consensually fucking hurts literally nobody
 
Why shouldn’t they give into them though? Two dudes consensually fucking hurts literally nobody

It doesn’t hurt anybody if a pedophile jerks off to a cute 8 year old playing on the beach.

That doesn’t mean it’s morally right or something we should encourage.

End yes it does actually cause harm. How many billions of dollars did AIDS cost us again? It’s a disease that primarily gets transmitted through homosexual sex (as well as needle sharing and to a far lesser extent heterosexual sex) and it would never have become a worldwide epidemic if not for the fact that homosexuality had become socially acceptable and permissible.
 
Just have to quote this:

BMJ, 2007 Sep 1; 335(7617): 445.
doi: 10.1136/bmj.39245.483900.AD
PMCID: PMC1962864
A depressed gorilla
Olimpia Claudia Pop, senior house officer, South West London and St George's Mental Health NHS Trust, London
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer


My secretary said: “There is a very unusual patient…” (being a psychiatrist, however, I don't find “unusual patients” really come as a surprise to me) “a gorilla, an agitated gorilla.”
“Is it in A&E?” I blurted out.
“No, no, it's in the zoo. The vet wants your advice.”
The whole unit soon knew the story: the consultant in whose catchment area the zoo fell claimed it should be his patient, one colleague asked in an irritated manner if we were now supposed to cover the zoo as well, and many, including my room-mates, wanted to join me at the initial assessment.
So far so good, but when I got there the story was not funny at all. The gorilla, who had been the alpha male for years and was a very easy going guy, had suddenly lost interest in the leadership position and become withdrawn, which had led to fights between the other males for the leadership. The worst part was that he was constantly chewing his feet. He had already lost the proximal phalanx of one of his big toes and had a few big holes in his soles.
The vet couldn't find any medical reason for the gorilla's condition and so had resorted to a psychiatrist.
After two hours of discussion with the zookeeper and the vet and observing the dynamics of the gorillas, I came to the conclusion that my patient was depressed and decided to give him a gradually increasing dose of escitalopram. We increased this up to 50 mg as his weight was around 200 kg. At first, this seemed to have a good effect: he became less irritable and let the zookeepers care for his wounds. Everyone was enthusiastic about his progress apart from me, as I knew that the course of psychiatric illness is unpredictable and that I should not get too excited if a patient gets better or too disappointed if he gets worse.
I was right, as his improvement was not maintained. I suggested antipsychotics, as indicated in humans for automutilation, but his carers declined. Their backup plan was to send him to a zoo in Spain, and, as far as I know, he is still waiting to go to a sunnier place.
That reminds me of this.

 
I agree, although that's something we know SO FAR. Nothing says we'll eventually find the actual reason and some will try to prevent it.

We actually know of a few factors that may possibly be linked to homosexuality. Childhood sexual abuse for example. Being born to older mothers also seem to be a factor, and twin studies have shown that there’s a moderate genetic factor as well.

We may one day find out whether there is a gay gene or a significant genetic factor to homosexuality, but this study certainly doesn’t seem to have tried very hard to find it.

(Just look at how it was put together. If you wanted to find out if there is a genetic factor to homosexuality, you’d go about it by looking at the genome of homosexuals. In this study, they just plowed through the genomes of 500.000 people, which is bound to confuse things.)
 
It doesn’t hurt anybody if a pedophile jerks off to a cute 8 year old playing on the beach.

That doesn’t mean it’s morally right or something we should encourage.

End yes it does actually cause harm. How many billions of dollars did AIDS cost us again? It’s a disease that primarily gets transmitted through homosexual sex (as well as needle sharing and to a far lesser extent heterosexual sex) and it would never have become a worldwide epidemic if not for the fact that homosexuality had become socially acceptable and permissible.
Anal sex is the term you're looking for. Something that heterosexuals engage in more frequently than homosexuals, given that half of all homosexuals don't have the needed parts to have anal sex in a way that transmits STIs.
AIDS couldn't have become a worldwide epidemic if people didn't bone so much, just like many other forms of STI. Guess we should ban all sex outside of marriage for health reasons, then.
 
It's not natural, but I'm not going by the "choice because you hate God" angle. It's, from my perspective, factors in your childhood that determine whether you're a faggot or not. Usually either being around the wrong types of people or being abused. From what I'm saying, it can totally be put up towards shitty parents.
 
Wow, who could have guessed? There isn't one gene for most forms of psychological deviation from the mean. One gene doesn't determine whether you like to drink, or have schizophrenia, or prefer sweet foods over savory. This isn't some slam-dunk for "being homo is a choice/caused by molestation".

The article goes further than just saying "1 gene doesn't determine sexual orientation". That headline is a bad representation of the study. It shows that sexual orientation is far closer to "nurture" than to "nature" though the entirety of sexual orientation is affected by both.
 
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