Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[BlueSpark]

Alright, which one of you is this? Fes up!

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The original story of Quinn being a cunt to the photograher, Mallorie Nasrallah, and talking about stabbing a guy:

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Mallorie's Story of Zoe Quinn's Stabbing | Zoë Quinn

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[Rekkington]

Often times the most believable, accurate, depictions of mental illnesses and disorders in media are written by someone who has dealt with, or is currently dealing with them, or a doctor specializing in a certain disorder or illness.

Having played both Depression Quest and NITW, it's quite clear that Zoe's knowledge of and experience with clinical depression goes about as far as Grey's Anatomy. I've no doubt Alec used his own experiences with mental issues and depression in NITW, and as such it feels like the lives of the characters could be lives of people you know. It's part of why NITW is so charming. You don't give a shit about the guy in Depression Quest- I wound up trying to see if there was a suicide ending, for example. When it comes to NITW, I felt like I wanted Mae's friend's father to realize he dumped everything on her. I wanted Mae to find some kind of resolution to her feelings and direction in her life.

If I, the player, can't empathize with any characters in a game where mental illness/disorder and dealing with it is a major theme, of course the game isn't going to sell well. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zoe was furious about NITW doing so much better than her game/s, prompting the "callout". She wants that clout, the money, and the indie spotlight without having to do any of the work for it.

This is a good summary and I just want to add a point to say: This is why Chelsea is not mentally ill. She probably had BPD but I look at that like the way being a child molester is a "disorder."

Her pathology is worse: she wants to be mentally ill. Its why she shot herself in the foot with Wizardchan. She doesn't like or care about depressed people she just wants to be their champion. She wants to be the hero of the downtrodden. She does this by pretending she is like them but also braver than them.

For this reason I believe she was never raped. Never once in her life. Like she never stabbed a guy to death like John Wick and she's not a blackbelt in Karate. Or any of the other dozens upon dozens of lies.

Zoe was never raped, she just wants to be the hero of the raped.
That is why she is evil.

 

[CatharticShitHead]

Zoe claiming to be a blackbelt

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Careful boyos. Zoe is United Nations permitted to kick our keisters. We should be afraid.

 

[AprilRains]

This is a good summary and I just want to add a point to say: This is why Chelsea is not mentally ill. She probably had BPD but I look at that like the way being a child molester is a "disorder."

A personality disorder is not a mental illness in any case. There is no distortion of one's perception of reality that would form the basis of an insanity plea with a personality disorder. They're not crazy, they're just evil and poisonous.

 

[CatharticShitHead]

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Seems like it. I've seen hundreds of sibling dynamics like hers to guess what their story is (remember its assumed she is the family member who told him "I do not believe in you" 2016 Alec post)

They never really get along. Probably fight growing up (but who doesn't) then eventually get to the mellow phase where you can just not talk to your sibling rather than wanna kill them. However, you and your sibling have nothing in common. He likes programming and music, you like socializing and attention.

When ever she comes to him asking him for some advice or to do her a favor that is a pain in the ass, he gives her blunt advice not trying to hurt her but she takes it as the worse kinds of personal attacks on her, because he's not taking HER side. She doesn't get when asking for help/advice, she will get critique and what she is asking for is support and coddling. She probably bothers mom and dad for stuff more and either has sucked up to them so much they neglect him/treat him like shit making him a more independent person, or take his problem more seriously than hers which enrages that old sibling anger and jealousy of unfairness.

So when he has problems she says purposeful passive aggressive digs to hurt him trying to use the "I'm just being blunt and honest" excuse.

Eventually both of you are old enough to go seperate ways and not see each other anymore other than family events. When he comes back as the Rich successful one while she is working on her masters in feminist dance theory while working part time at starbucks, its upsetting. Probably still civil, but get angry when ever one of her many problems comes up and he doesn't rescue her the way she wants.

Then when he reaches a low point in life where he needs to depend on her, she squeels in glee. No, not cause she can finally show he brother that she is just as important as he is just in her own way. It is because she can "take care" of him all while digging into him further to make him understand HER pain.

Because with people like this, it is all about them. When they are low, you need to remind them you are still upset with them because it will be the one of the few times you will be able to get a blow in on them. It is not abhorent to kick them while they are down because all they ever do is kick you. One day you are gonna hurt him so bad he'll beg for you to forgive him, and you will hold the power to tell him NO in your hand and walk away a winner.

Cause to self centered cunts like this, wins and image are all that matter.

I'm glad to see so many people at the farms have good relationships with their siblings. Tell me how good those relationships are after 4 or more will/estate arguments over dead relatives free gibs.

I felt like it was something like that. Because really, why the fuck would she emphasize that Alec wished Zoe the best? I would assume if I was Alec, mentally fucked and career over then I would hate Zoe with a passion.

I said it earlier but I really think she crammed those words into his dead mouth because she wanted her bff Zoe to be ok.

As far as I'm concerned, Eileen is just as bad as Scott. And Alecs true last words were in that hidden message

 

[Pargon]

Careful boyos. Zoe is United Nations permitted to kick our keisters. We should be afraid.

She's got antifa at her back, too, being one of their decorated and battle-tested field medics and all.

I think a grandiose tendency to life LARP is the thread that connects all these insane groups. They're all terminally boring and aimless and so they need to pretend they're engaged in all these wild activities so the creeping senses of existential dread and mortality don't keep them awake at night.

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

This is a good summary and I just want to add a point to say: This is why Chelsea is not mentally ill. She probably had BPD but I look at that like the way being a child molester is a "disorder."

Her pathology is worse: she wants to be mentally ill. Its why she shot herself in the foot with Wizardchan. She doesn't like or care about depressed people she just wants to be their champion. She wants to be the hero of the downtrodden. She does this by pretending she is like them but also braver than them.

For this reason I believe she was never raped. Never once in her life. Like she never stabbed a guy to death like John Wick and she's not a blackbelt in Karate. Or any of the other dozens upon dozens of lies.

Zoe was never raped, she just wants to be the hero of the raped.
That is why she is evil.

Her porn name was a mix of two speshul characters from Ender's Game. She stated in a blog that comic shops wouldn't hire her because she "looks too much like a comic book character". She's convinced she's the protagonist of all existence and her story is the only one that matters. It's why she can be so vindictive. If someone shouts at her or doesn't give her what she wants, she feels totally justified in destroying their life. For all her quirky hobbies and forced literary references she's just your average self-absorbed retard.

 

[overwatchdumbass]

A personality disorder is not a mental illness in any case. There is no distortion of one's perception of reality that would form the basis of an insanity plea with a personality disorder. They're not crazy, they're just evil and poisonous.

According to Alec's sister, he was battling mood and personality disorders for a long time, so I'd think twice on that remark honestly. Not to mention personality disorders are a very wide spectrum of disorders with some ranging in the range of what you could truthfully call "evil and poisonous" like comorbid narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder features which people like Zoe Quinn exhibit. I know BPD has a bad rep, but people like Zoe are much more in the narcissistic/antisocial camp rather than borderline. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Alec was the one battling more with the borderline side of things which might be evident by the numerous parallels to dissociation in NITW and studies suggestive that men who die from suicide are more likely to have had BPD which also ties into his history of abuse that many BPD individuals report. (Not in the thinly veiled way like Quinn and the likes)

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

Remember those Zoe Quinn videos by Quarter Pounder? Her orbiters are going after his blood on Twitter by reporting him and trying to get him banned. It was trending from #zoequinnbodycount.

 

[Shrekking Crew]

Remember those Zoe Quinn videos by Quarter Pounder? Her orbiters are going after his blood on Twitter by reporting him and trying to get him banned. It was trending from #zoequinnbodycount.

I find it incredibly sad the degree to which certain groups will operate with cognitive dissonance. I remember posts on another forum blaming KF and "trolls" for driving that one tranny to immolate herself in Portland or whatever, but then turn around and warn/ban you for blaming Zoe for Alec's death. Multiple jokes about her "bodycount" received stiff warnings and even a ban if I remember correctly. You could also get banned for making jokes about the spicy hot tranny too.

People on the other side of this issue have huge holes (other than Zoe) in their logic but as long as they can tie their feeling of self-righteousness to either "side" then they're satisfied. They never gave a shit about real human beings trying to improve themselves in the first place. Zoe is stuck in the perpetual mode of never being able to better herself. She's set up camp on a precarious cliff where no one wants to work with her because she's a fucking crazy lying bitch, and yet no one wants to kick her out because she'll cry rape and abuse and drag their reputation through the mudpit she calls home. I think she is slowly coming to this realization and so she will lash out at whoever and whatever to distract from her own inadequacy. She built herself an ivory tower but all it's looking over is plains and plains of terrible choices and people who no longer care if she lives or dies. I wonder what sort of horror a narcissist like her feels when irrelevancy is on the horizon.

 

[Pargon]

Remember those Zoe Quinn videos by Quarter Pounder? Her orbiters are going after his blood on Twitter by reporting him and trying to get him banned. It was trending from #zoequinnbodycount.
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West coast social media siding with a fat neckbeard versus a manipulative dangerhaired slot. Someone call Ripley's.

(Though let's be honest, it's because Quinn didn't report him herself.)

 

[overwatchdumbass]

According to Alec's sister, he was battling mood and personality disorders for a long time, so I'd think twice on that remark honestly. Not to mention personality disorders are a very wide spectrum of disorders with some ranging in the range of what you could truthfully call "evil and poisonous" like comorbid narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder features which people like Zoe Quinn exhibit. I know BPD has a bad rep, but people like Zoe are much more in the narcissistic/antisocial camp rather than borderline. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Alec was the one battling more with the borderline side of things which might be evident by the numerous parallels to dissociation in NITW and studies suggestive that men who die from suicide are more likely to have had BPD which also ties into his history of abuse that many BPD individuals report. (Not in the thinly veiled way like Quinn and the likes)

Honestly, thinking back to this part in the game feels so much more sad right now.

 

[AprilRains]

According to Alec's sister, he was battling mood and personality disorders for a long time, so I'd think twice on that remark honestly.

I was talking about Zoe. Read the context. I don't think Zoe's insane.

 

[Pargon]

Honestly, thinking back to this part in the game feels so much more sad right now.

That dialogue was like, so cringe-inducing that I, like, almost shattered every vertebra in my spine, um, like, before I even got through the whole, like, scene.

Like.

 

[overwatchdumbass]

I was talking about Zoe. Read the context. I don't think Zoe's insane.

She might not be insane in the classical sense but she's a very, very mentally and emotionally disturbed individual and I doubt she'd ever be responsive to any form of therapy because of her massive ego. It's as if she has no capacity for empathy at all and that's why she has no desire to change. This will all of course come back to bite her in the ass and it seems like it's finally starting to happen. It's such a shame that a person had to die as a result of her lack of empathy before this would happen.

 

[AprilRains]

She might not be insane in the classical sense but she's a very, very mentally and emotionally disturbed individual and I doubt she'd ever be responsive to any form of therapy because of her massive ego. It's as if she has no capacity for empathy at all and that's why she has no desire to change. This will all of course come back to bite her in the ass and it seems like it's finally starting to happen. It's such a shame that a person had to die as a result of her lack of empathy before this would happen.

I agree with all of that. I don't claim that Zoe is a sound and reasonable individual. I am saying that she is not entitled to a defense of legal insanity, because a personality disorder does not rid her of the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong. She just doesn't give a fuck.

 

[overwatchdumbass]

I agree with all of that. I don't claim that Zoe is a sound and reasonable individual. I am saying that she is not entitled to a defense of legal insanity, because a personality disorder does not rid her of the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong. She just doesn't give a fuck.

Of course she would never be entitled to any insanity defense. Her personality is just simply fucked simply put and she's never willing to change and that's why we shouldn't focus too much on her and more on hopefully trying to spread good information that Alec was the most tragic victim in her series of victimisation of others. She's not a victim and she should not be allowed to hide behind that identity, appropriating it for herself from others who've actually suffered trauma at the hands of others, at hands of people like Zoe Quinn.

 

[George Cuckzunian]

A personality disorder is not a mental illness in any case. There is no distortion of one's perception of reality that would form the basis of an insanity plea with a personality disorder. They're not crazy, they're just evil and poisonous.

Insanity did not start as a medical term, but rather a legal term to defend those who were completely incapable of understanding their actions or right from wrong. Mood disturbances or narcisism does not qualify and only in extreme cases like schitzophrenia does it work,

That said, this is not a legal case. I see what you are saying. By that same strict legal standard, Alec is also not insane.

I think Zoe is bat shit insane. Not in the legal sense though, in the medical sense. I think they understand right and wrong, they just have fucked up views, 0 impulse control, and abnormal thought patterns with abnormal defense mechanisms. But you're technically right, insane in the medical sense is very different than "I have a mood disorder and no impulse control"

Remember those Zoe Quinn videos by Quarter Pounder? Her orbiters are going after his blood on Twitter by reporting him and trying to get him banned. It was trending from #zoequinnbodycount.
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I don't have much hope for any kind of "real" justice. I think this has all died down. I think the only way it will lead to some sort of mass shit storm is if Zoe gets hacked and her DMs show some seriously fucked stuff, or the people who actually cared about this guy get together and decide to shoot back. That would be a catastrophic shit storm I could only imagine. The people trying to use the sister as a shield, the arm chair psychologists trying to give some "anger is part of the grief process" speech, trying to call them crazy, trying to #MeToo them too, etc.

Unfortunately this will never happen. Why? In Scotts post we read Alec always worked and it drove him insane, and Alec always reached out to artist indie game dev types. I am guessing he had some sort of aspergers along with his mood disorders which would make him no the most social butterfly unless it was work related. Any friends he had were most likely all part of the indie scene and you see what happens when you step out of line. If anyone actually cares about him, they are spineless and not saying shit.

What we're seeing is Zoe and co trying to hide anyone who tells the world about Zoes actions. They are trying to hide it in hopes it goes away. That didn't work so they banned people and doubled down that its not their faults because they can't make it go away and they know how it looks so at the very least they wanna frame it as favorable to them.

And no matter what, they will pretend they are winners and winning is all that matters.

 

[CatharticShitHead]

That dialogue was like, so cringe-inducing that I, like, almost shattered every vertebra in my spine, um, like, before I even got through the whole, like, scene.

Like.

I remember this part. The orange text is from a gay bear named Angus. His childhood was nothing but his parents beating the fuck out of him and putting him into a closet. (symbolism much?)

Yet, out of all that, he was still the chillest character out of all of them. This is why I don't want to believe Bethany wrote any of these characters. Because if she wrote Angus's story, and have him turn out to be perfectly fine, then why the fuck would her or Scott act the way they do? The way they act makes me think they wish they had something fucked up happen to them. Maybe that's why Scott was so desperate to paint Alec as an "abusive" coworker.

 

[overwatchdumbass]

I remember this part. The orange text is from a gay bear named Angus. His childhood was nothing but his parents beating the fuck out of him and putting him into a closet. (symbolism much?)

Yet, out of all that, he was still the chillest character out of all of them. This is why I don't want to believe Bethany wrote any of these characters. Because if she wrote Angus's story, and have him turn out to be perfectly fine, then why the fuck would her or Scott act the way they do? The way they act makes me think they wish they had something fucked up happen to them. Maybe that's why Scott was so desperate to paint Alec as an "abusive" coworker.

Honestly, if the whole "Bethanie wrote most of the dialogue" is true in any way, she probably just filled in the blank spots with the overall layout of the story and the most important story bits being 100% Alec. The characters are 100% Alec. If someone like Zoe wrote a character with a backstory like Angus, that character would probably be much more dramatic and a bad stereotype of someone who was abused, because Zoe has no real emotional connection/understanding of what it feels like to have survived something like that.

Take the "cathartic yelling in the rain" thing as an example. People like Zoe just simply cannot relate to emotionally working through complex, traumatic experiences like childhood abuse other than in very superficial ways like the classic cathartic rain thing and that's why people who feign victimhood tend to be so over the top and dramatic. They're compensating for their lack of understanding and experience. And frankly, it is insulting to real trauma survivors how over the top these feigners are, because traumatised people often have serious problems with reaching that deep understanding and acceptance and catharsis of what has happened. Imagine if you've had significant trauma in your life that you've been working on your whole life and with help from lots of different people, and when you're finally close to acceptance and integration, someone like Zoe just basically cheaply copies your experiences into some superficial chain of tweets with some bullshit nobody that lasts maybe 1 hour from start to finish and suddenly, she is the most bravest trauma survivor ever and drives someone innocent to suicide. EDIT: Not only someone who was innocent, but someone who WAS the victim of the abuse that she was so hard trying to appropriate for herself.

The depiction of Angus telling his story under the stars in a peaceful setting was more akin to real, final catharsis than the idea of yelling into the rain like in some cheap shit B movie. The setting in Angus' story is much more representative of true integration and being at peace with what has happened. Yelling in the rain is more like abreaction in which you're still in the process of working through something and just yelling most likely would never give you that real, final catharsis, maybe only the path toward it. E: But the thing with these people is that, they have no interest in truly integrating experiences like those, because that would mean letting go and since they've formed their entire lives, identities on being a victim, they would risk losing everything that constitutes them.