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Allanon said:
Is it? Isn't Funimation's whole defense that he wasn't fired because of the investigation, because the investigation didn't find evidence of harassment, so they couldn't have meant to tweet out that they fired him because of finding he harassed people in his investigation? They don't seem very clear on what got him fired. Just that the accusations were 'credible', but definitely not harassment because they didn't say that, and then they fired him incorrectly despite the investigation not turning up harrassment. I guess they just fire anyone they end up having an investigation into?
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It gets tricky, since they use a lot of weaselly language in their claim. What they said was:

Because of the allegations circulating on social media about Vic, Funimation asked the human resources department at Sony Pictures Entertainment (“SPE”), which owns Funimation, to investigate. Ex. A at ¶ 6. Beginning on January 22, 2019, SPE’s Executive Director of Employee Relations, Tammi Denbow, investigated allegations made against Vic by his anime co-star Defendant Monica Rial, by two fans who interacted with Vic at a convention, and by a former Funimation employee. Pet. ¶ 18; Ex. B (Denbow Aff.) at ¶¶ 3-4. Based on her interviews of the two fans, Rial, and of Vic himself, among others, Denbow concluded that the allegations against Vic were credible, and her conclusion was reported to Funimation. Ex. B at ¶ 5.

On January 29, 2019, Karen Mika, an officer at Funimation, told Vic by telephone that his conduct was unacceptable and that Funimation was letting him go effectively immediately. Ex. A at ¶ 8. Funimation did not make any public statement about its termination of Vic at that time. Id.
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Note that it never explicitly says that the investigation led to the finding of the unacceptable conduct that led to the termination, or even what the "unacceptable" conduct actually was. It might be sexual harassment, it might be camping in the parking lot. Who knows; they ain't telling. EDIT: Checking Karen Mika's affidavit, she does say the decision was based on the investigation, but does not clarify what aspect of the investigation led to this decision.

The argument against the defamation is similarly weaselly. Basically, they mentioned on social media he got fired, then "just happened" to tweet about how harassment was unacceptable in their workplace. Obviously, they claim, the intention was never to imply that harassment was why he was terminated.

So, in short: they won't say what the investigation discovered, won't say if the investigation was why he was terminated, won't say what (if any) conduct from the investigation got him fired, won't say if there was other, additional conduct that led to the termination. But no matter what, they definitely didn't suggest that he was terminated for harassment. Even if he was.
 
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P5Fever said:
Also Monica, Vic had 4 movies—the first 3 Broly movies for the original anime and then Super Broly. You were always supporting cast for the 3 Super movies while Vic was the main antagonist for 3 movies and a main character for the Super Broly.

Stay mad 8th Bulma.
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He also did around 15 video games, she's being extra cunty pissing on his work for the franchise.
 
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It gets tricky, since they use a lot of weaselly language in their claim. What they said was:



Note that it never explicitly says that the investigation led to the finding of the unacceptable conduct that led to the termination, or even what the "unacceptable" conduct actually was. It might be sexual harassment, it might be camping in the parking lot. Who knows; they ain't telling.

The argument against the defamation is similarly weaselly. Basically, they mentioned on social media he got fired, then "just happened" to tweet about how harassment was unacceptable in their workplace. Obviously, they claim, the intention was never to imply that harassment was why he was terminated.

So, in short: they won't say what the investigation discovered, won't say if the investigation was why he was terminated, won't say what (if any) conduct from the investigation got him fired, won't say if there was other, additional conduct that led to the termination. But no matter what, they definitely didn't suggest that he was terminated for harassment. Even if he was.
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So basically, Funimation investigated harassment accusations and found them credible. And then, completely unrelated to the investigation and accusations of harassment, they fired Vic for 'unacceptable behavior'. But they won't say what that behavior is, even though it would help their defense to do so.

And then, despite the fact that the investigation isn't why he was fired, and they didn't fire him because of harassment, they mentioned how they investigated him before firing him, and then followed up by informing everyone that they don't tolerate any kind of harassment.

Makes perfect sense.

(Obviously the only conclusion is that if you are the target of an investigation, no matter the subject of it or conclusion of it, you are fired because of it. This is the 'unacceptable behavior' they fired him for. Totally unrelated to harassment.)
 
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And now we know that the defamatory sequence of tweets by Funimation were also a lie with the Huber affidavit stating that anime's very own Harvey Weinstein was operating right under their roof with Chris Sabat and was not only not taken seriously but completely ignored.

Even worse for Funimation if Sabat's victims start coming forward with their stories.

It doesn't matter, IMO, that the clown making those sequence of tweets didn't now about possible Sabat sexual harassment allegations being ignored. He was speaking as Funimation the company.

And that is why any company that puts these dumbfucks in charge of their social media who are looking for woke asspats are just begging to get destroyed in a civil trial.
 
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Weebs, I've been trying to play it cool all day, but this is like the night before Christmas. Can't sleep, positively charged right now.

First showdown, a lot on the line for both sides. The drama surrounding the affidavits, the sudden burst from Jamie, the DMs from Ron, Monica impersonating Jabba. The entertainment is better than anything Funimation has to offer.

How do we follow the hearing tomorrow? Any Kiwis planning to liveblog what they learn? Anyone planning to get pics of J Sean's foetid scalp?
 
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3 Cucks None The Richer said:
Welp, now we know that everything Chuck Huber said was 100% true- Here's Monica saying that "He's UnStAblE can't be trusted". Goddamn, these people can't help but broadcast EVERYTHING that really just fucks over their plans, huh?~

10 bucks says she's got 10 pounds of shit in her pants with all this info coming out.

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Has this been archived? I didn't see it in the thread and would check myself if i knew where it came from.
 
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ShaggyDawg said:
Well we don't even know how that's going to go. I mean Monica knew about Ron's past and she still lives with him. Even if Ron did go for therapy, the fact that he still has that smiley emoji coping mechanism indicates that he's not completely cured. Maybe Sabats wife will choose to try and work things out. I mean after all, he only cheated on her multiple times, it's not like he abused her or anything.
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I'm behind by a good one hundred pages and I have nothing to add really other than, dude, your avatar and that quote just put my sides in orbit.

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Allanon said:
So basically, Funimation investigated harassment accusations and found them credible. And then, completely unrelated to the investigation and accusations of harassment, they fired Vic for 'unacceptable behavior'. But they won't say what that behavior is, even though it would help their defense to do so.

And then, despite the fact that the investigation isn't why he was fired, and they didn't fire him because of harassment, they mentioned how they investigated him before firing him, and then followed up by informing everyone that they don't tolerate any kind of harassment.

Makes perfect sense.

(Obviously the only conclusion is that if you are the target of an investigation, no matter the subject of it or conclusion of it, you are fired because of it. This is the 'unacceptable behavior' they fired him for. Totally unrelated to harassment.)
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In a way you can almost see the sense.

They're a corporation, not a court of law. It's not their job to find Vic guilty or innocent. Their investigation is just to find if the accusations aren't complete bullshit. Credible, in other words. Once it's found credible, or at least credible enough that they can pretend it is, they then took action. Specifically, they decided that keeping Vic around when the VAs and Directors at Funimation didn't like him and were already demanding he be purged was too much trouble and used that as the excuse.

I'm sure that's going to be the explanation given. Well, minus that last sentence.

It falls apart when Sabat is being accused of Quid Pro Quo, most of their VA cast has been caught abusing their biggest and most important IP in ways that would violate workplace harassment laws if someone complained, et cetera et cetera. It shows that they singled Vic out for punishment when they let it go when others did it. That's bad, especially when there's already a paper trail even before discovery went down that shows that they seemingly had told one of the defendants they are accused of conspiring with the results of the investigation before it even happened.

Of course, they have a way out. A very easy one, in fact. One they are almost definitely doing right this very instant.

Investigate Chris Sabat for the casting couch thing, and all of the VAs for the "blooper real" stuff.

They will find the accusations credible, no doubt. And then they fire them all in order to restore their perceived neutrality, at least in part. Credible deniability? Credible neutrality.

I can guarantee you Sony's HR department has told them to do it, and their legal counsel has begged them to do it.

That's Funimation's "out."

Jub-Jub said:
Has this been archived? I didn't see it in the thread and would check myself if i knew where it came from.
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Archiving Twitter DMs is impossible from our side. There are plugins for Chrome that can do it, as well as the user could save it as a PDF to turn over to BHBH. Twitter could also provide them in response to a subpoena.

It's why until Monica fucking verified them I didn't believe they were real. Too easy of a gay op.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
Archiving Twitter DMs is impossible from our side. There are plugins for Chrome that can do it, as well as the user could save it as a PDF to turn over to BHBH. Twitter could also provide them in response to a subpoena.

It's why until Monica fucking verified them I didn't believe they were real. Too easy of a gay op.
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Nothing like having the opposing side shoot themselves in the foot for you.
 
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