Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

Ok a semi spergy post but I think this is a clue.
Nathalie made her post at 5 in the afternoon
Chelsea doesn't comment (but may have hit love) until nearly 11 pm.
Within an HOUR or so of posting the Alec thing.
Tells me this.
Nathalie posts at 5.
Chelsea sits and composes the Alec post on her iPhone.
Goes in after she finishes her limelight stealer and makes a couple comments on Nathalie's post,
waits about an hour dicking around,
(would have to look at times on stuff to see what, if anything, she was doing elsewhere maybe on Twitter, it may be in the archive already. IDK)

But my point is Nathalie and her SEEM rather coordinated.
But then also NOT......will have to keep thinking about this part.

I think she saw Nathalie referring to "legends" in quotes and saw her opportunity to latch on and actually out one of those "legends" (and then she'd be accepted into this new protected class of survivors.)

Try and make out the times on these, I capped so fast I think I jumbled them up.

Also of note, she went from a random post around the same time as Nathalie's and then goes silent until her supportive shit for Nathalie.
In NO way could she have written and edited herself in a hour. She was writing that shit the minute she saw Nathalie getting love and support.

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I myself think she is a garden variety drug addict.
Opiods is my guess but she speeds out too.
She's a pill popper I would bet millions.
And we know that drug addicts are 100% narcissistic and think only of themselves which mimics the sociopath's behavior.
The only caveat I would make is that in her origin story provided by that awesome photographer, she was throwing her roomates and the photographer under some pretty sociopathic buses.
BUT....I think she grew up in a biker atmosphere and probably got into her parents Meth stash at an early age. And most likely to deal with getting molested by one of the bikers, if not Daddy himself.
I still stand by part of my initial analysis for months now reading the Zoe Post.
In that she displays a lot of empathetic qualities BUT they might have been just to fuck with Eron's mind.
Also, sociopaths never threaten suicide like she did in those Eron texts.
It goes against their projected image of complete detachment from the world and it's view of them.
Dude edit your comment to add replies, you can add replies to comment on by clicking reply on a post.

You literally do not need to write page after page of responses to people, it clutters up the page/discussion.


It is ok you didn't know this but next time please do this when replying
 
Ok a semi spergy post but I think this is a clue.
Nathalie made her post at 5 in the afternoon
Chelsea doesn't comment (but may have hit love) until nearly 11 pm.
Within an HOUR or so of posting the Alec thing.
Tells me this.
Nathalie posts at 5.
Chelsea sits and composes the Alec post on her iPhone.
Goes in after she finishes her limelight stealer and makes a couple comments on Nathalie's post,
waits about an hour dicking around,
(would have to look at times on stuff to see what, if anything, she was doing elsewhere maybe on Twitter, it may be in the archive already. IDK)

But my point is Nathalie and her SEEM rather coordinated.
But then also NOT......will have to keep thinking about this part.

I think she saw Nathalie referring to "legends" in quotes and saw her opportunity to latch on and actually out one of those "legends" (and then she'd be accepted into this new protected class of survivors.)

Try and make out the times on these, I capped so fast I think I jumbled them up.

Also of note, she went from a random post around the same time as Nathalie's and then goes silent until her supportive shit for Nathalie.
In NO way could she have written and edited herself in a hour. She was writing that shit the minute she saw Nathalie getting love and support.

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The more i look through this one the more I am seeing the profile emerge.

I don't know if they were coordinated but she sure let Nathalie have her moment.
Albeit without an endorsement from Chelsea...
That tells me Chelsea was busy writing her Alec Post.

This cunt was imitating Nathalie.
And she had the writer from the NYT and Essence magazine on stand by to support HER post.

Dude edit your comment to add replies, you can add replies to comment on by clicking reply on a post.

You literally do not need to write page after page of responses to people, it clutters up the page/discussion.


It is ok you didn't know this but next time please do this when replying
I'm sorry I'm still not getting it, and probably doing right this second with this one.
Can you explain again, I sincerely apologize. Is there an "add replies" button I'm not seeing?
I started to reply to my own posts to keep organized, is that not what I should do?
 
I'm sorry I'm still not getting it, and probably doing right this second with this one.
Can you explain again, I sincerely apologize. Is there an "add replies" button I'm not seeing?
I started to reply to my own posts to keep organized, is that not what I should do?
you should be able to have a button at the bottom left side saying "edit" so you can add and expand your comment without spamming the thread
at the same time tho if it gets too much for one reply and folks looking through it would lose track double posts might be premissable i guess
 
I'm sorry I'm still not getting it, and probably doing right this second with this one.
Can you explain again, I sincerely apologize. Is there an "add replies" button I'm not seeing?
I started to reply to my own posts to keep organized, is that not what I should do?
Dude click reply on a comment you want to reply too, then type below, then click reply again to add a reply to another post. It is the same as replying to any other post but it adds onto the message your currently writing.

I am just letting you know because if you keep replying to one thing individually one after another too much instead on the same post the mods might delete all your posts instead of editing them together because it is just too much trouble editing it all or thread ban you for it for various reasons.

You can edit previous posts by clicking edit and copying and pasting your previous messages on it and deleting the other posts to keep them all together.

It always fun to have new kiwis on here and welcome to the forums but learn how to post first on maybe some general threads before coming to main discussions because if you don't know how it works you can end up derailing discussions.

Like right now I have zero idea what going on now with Zoe because you have over 20 replies with various subject matter scattered around over what recently happened because of all the replies buried them.
 
Totally get it guys. Sorry about that.
I was adding the word EDIT and commenting on a couple. I will return to that,
I started doing it as a reply when I wanted to keep continuity with the last night post (
hovering over the Alec one) and then tonight with the deeper stuff .
I started using that and replying to keep track.
I have no problem just doing edits from now on because I need to go back and grab all those earlier URL's and edit them into the earlier posts.
I'll add any new commentary when I do that.
I think I may be done for now other than catching all these URL's.
Any stuff before the Alec post seems mainly just her self promoting her new comic book bullshit.
And I don't see her locking this account fully up unless somebody has warned her that somebody's "endangering" her orbiters.
That might take them a while too,
SO goodbye for now, I don't have any screen shots of real value I see right now and I need to return to my regular sleep sched.
Peace Ya'll!

EDIT: Can someone DM me how to delete a post? I will go back and clean up the redundant comments. I see how that's cluttering shit up now too. Thanks.
 
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In light of Zoe's vile nature showing its ugly head for all to see, once again, I decided to do a re-reading of thezoepost, for the first time since august 2014, and god damn if she isn't just the perfect storm of horrible personality traits.

What makes it even sadder is that despite all the horrible things she put Eron through, the narrative shifted to pinning the blame on him. He's the abuser, he's the manipulator, he's the person who should be sued for criminal charges.

Remarkable how much that situation is analogous to today's. Despite the fact that Alec had KILLED HIMSELF, he's still the guilty one. Poor old Zoe is just the eternal victim.

I highly recommend you give the zoe post a re-read if you've got the time, just as a reminder of the kind of person she is, how fast she jumps from one lie to another the moment she's called out on her bullshit. It's horrible, and a terrible reminder of just how casually some people are willing to utterly shatter another person's life, and lie about it to their face.

In modern left wing society women have all the power and a man's life is worth less than nothing, I mean that quite literally as Alec's suicide proves.

Zoe is only able to get away with her bullshit because she's female, it's literally as simple as that, she can literally get away with murder, that's how screwed up modern society is.
 

Please tell me she is getting her own thread. Please. Because Alec's sister is the kind of person who does "Rain Scream for Rape Victims" like that one scene in fucking Garden State. And here I thought that was just some hipster art school cringe. Today I learned people really do that!

No wonder she threw her brother under the bus. Every moment in her life is an opportunity for a Time photograph, and never mind that Alec, her own sibling, is gone and never coming back. She must show everyone she stands in solidarity with blowey Zoe when her loyalties might come into question.
 
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OK so I can not be spamming too bad, here's a three-fer.
I thought for days that Chelsea had drawn the child level art but it looks like she just made Cheyenne's work her own post for lulz
I'll add the URLs to these when I do my mass URL edit mania updates after we get back to the 26th...
And I figured I go ahead and steal Cheyenne's picture outright like I woulda figured Chelsea did, but NOPE Cheyenne must be a BFF cause she got her finger painting put up on Chelsea's refrigerator Ya'll!!
"Look Momsy I drawed sadness gud!"

Dude, I just realized this is the artwork for Fox Force Five Guys' debut issue.

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EDIT: Ok I got it wrong, first she COMMENTED on the finger painting and THEN she put it up on the fridge.
The playologist person you see off to the right concurs that this is a masterpiece more or less in the cropped out comment. But now we see that person's info.
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Oddguy/EZPZ made a great video covering all these weirdos making children cartoons now and in one of those episodes he puts out the theory of when they reached puberty and they are attention starved. They get into weird stuff stay obsessed with childish shit because it reminds them of a time where they had no responsibilities, then when they go to college finally bloom and go hypersexual but still work thorugh their real life problems in childish ways via childrens art and such because they never learned how to deal with complex emotions.

They also never have any real problems so they believe their childish suffering is on par with real issues. I think its a whole generation of this personality and its due to media encouragement of never letting go of your childhood + hyper sexual behavior that is only now being curved by women going off the deep end.


"Scared and silent" Are you fucking kidding me?

Political journalism could leave you "scared and silent". Policing could. Working for the CIA.

But developing fucking video games?! :story: This dumb bint.

These are people who are so delusional and childish they convince themselves they have PTSD because their business partner shot down 7 ideas to do a complete redesign of the game, when in reality the just wanna score a Xanax script but don't have the balls to just say "Yeah I like doing drugs. So what."

These are people so weak they have get major psychological damage from the slightest negative stimuli because they believe they should feel good 24/7 and if they don't its everyone elses fault but their own.

They never grew up, they never learned self control or delayed gratification. And they sure as fuck never wanna take responsibility and will believe whatever convoluted logic/story they make up in their head to justify their retardation. And remember, you are never at fault if you are just too weak and fragile to deal with the world.... but also don't tell me I am not allowed access or restricted from being part of things because I'm too weak and fragile like I keep telling everyone, because I am like super duper strong in this strange intangible way no one understand and you are secretly scared of me if you exclude me for my own safety.... But you are responsible if you were right and I get PTSD from what you tried to shield me from.

You don't have to worry about this being a Scott thread. He's fucking boring as much as he is a piece of shit. He doesn't tweet anything about Alec or Zoe so he's effectively out of the situation until he throws himself back in.

And like I said earlier, if Scott does some real exceptional shit , then I will help with making him his own very thread. But as he is right now, he's already summarized in this thread as a giant fucking furfag bitch.

Well, unless Zoe keeps stabbing him in the back for not being a good enough ally or trying to compare himself to a sexual abuse victim. Scot just wants to pretend this will go away and he isn't a failure that no one wants to work with.

REDUNDANT POST TRIGGER WARNING...
SO right before that she Retweeted her Queen, but not until after she scissored with Carrie for a couple tweets about poor Marc Ten

EDIT: Ok that made no sense....just sometime in her twatter Carrie twats she had time to RT her Queen.

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In a strange way I kinda hope these people get what they want. Can you imagine Anita or Zoe as a videogame union president? The shit show would be glorious!
 
Dude click reply on a comment you want to reply too, then type below, then click reply again to add a reply to another post. It is the same as replying to any other post but it adds onto the message your currently writing.

I am just letting you know because if you keep replying to one thing individually one after another too much instead on the same post the mods might delete all your posts instead of editing them together because it is just too much trouble editing it all or thread ban you for it for various reasons.

You can edit previous posts by clicking edit and copying and pasting your previous messages on it and deleting the other posts to keep them all together.

It always fun to have new kiwis on here and welcome to the forums but learn how to post first on maybe some general threads before coming to main discussions because if you don't know how it works you can end up derailing discussions.

Like right now I have zero idea what going on now with Zoe because you have over 20 replies with various subject matter scattered around over what recently happened because of all the replies buried them.

Eh, have a heart mate. All respect to Null, but this site is a bit ass when you get into multiquotes and multiple replies. AM is doing a damn fine job of sifting the shit.

Please tell me she is getting her own thread. Please. Because Alec's sister is the kind of person who does "Rain Scream for Rape Victims" like that one scene in fucking Garden State. And here I thought that was just some hipster art school cringe. Today I learned people really do that!

No wonder she threw her brother under the bus. Every moment in her life is an opportunity for a Time photograph, and never mind that Alec, her own sibling, is gone and never coming back. She must show everyone she stands in solidarity in blowey Zoe when her loyalties might come into question.
I do wonder if ZQ and orbiters now warrant their own sub-forum...
 

This is the shit I'm interested in.
Looking at her list of freelance schmucks, they're all useless wokerags, so they're not exactly going to give a shit about any potential ethical violations. Anyone who's entire Twitter bio is all about being a victim is going to gravitate to someone like Zoe like flies to shit.

Have any Kotaku cucks offered Zoe any support?

These are people who are so delusional and childish they convince themselves they have PTSD because their business partner shot down 7 ideas to do a complete redesign of the game, when in reality the just wanna score a Xanax script but don't have the balls to just say "Yeah I like doing drugs. So what."

These are people so weak they have get major psychological damage from the slightest negative stimuli because they believe they should feel good 24/7 and if they don't its everyone elses fault but their own.

They never grew up, they never learned self control or delayed gratification. And they sure as fuck never wanna take responsibility and will believe whatever convoluted logic/story they make up in their head to justify their exceptionalism. And remember, you are never at fault if you are just too weak and fragile to deal with the world.... but also don't tell me I am not allowed access or restricted from being part of things because I'm too weak and fragile like I keep telling everyone, because I am like super duper strong in this strange intangible way no one understand and you are secretly scared of me if you exclude me for my own safety.... But you are responsible if you were right and I get PTSD from what you tried to shield me from.

Atm in the Rat King, there's our "World Champion" troon professor who is doing exactly that. He's trying so hard to set up some kinda PTSD payout atm. He constantly tells everyone how brave and stunning and tough he is, but at the same time, weak and fragile. So weak and fragile that emails give him PTSD. He even told his college chair that it gives him PTSD and the chair responded with "No it doesn't".

Not only that, but you can really see what birthed the specific victim complex Jake Alley adopted. He absorbed Zoe's language, her thinking, but there's something off about it, something that makes him look like a mimic.
I can see why that upset the Queen Victim herself.
 
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This is the shit I'm interested in.
Looking at her list of freelance schmucks, they're all useless wokerags, so they're not exactly going to give a shit about any potential ethical violations. Anyone who's entire Twitter bio is all about being a victim is going to gravitate to someone like Zoe like flies to shit.

Have any Kotaku cucks offered Zoe any support?



Atm in the Rat King, there's our "World Champion" troon professor who is doing exactly that. He's trying so hard to set up some kinda PTSD payout atm. He constantly tells everyone how brave and stunning and tough he is, but at the same time, weak and fragile. So weak and fragile that emails give him PTSD. He even told his college chair that it gives him PTSD and the chair responded with "No it doesn't".

Not only that, but you can really see what birthed the specific victim complex Jake Alley adopted. He absorbed Zoe's language, her thinking, but there's something off about it, something that makes him look like a mimic.
I can see why that upset the Queen Victim herself.

There needs to be a Jace level troll who infiltrates this whole shitpile by being the most raped and trans woman ever.
 

Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility
After the death of Zoe Quinn's alleged abuser, the trolls have escalated their racket, raising the question of whose mental health society tries to protect.


The videogames industry is having its #MeToo moment, and the backlash against it has been fast and brutal. Developers and creators are bravely going public about decades of exploitation, including at the hands of respected figures who have contributed to beloved franchises. The response has been moral outrage—not that there's an epidemic of men hurting women and covering for each other, not that sexual harassment has been tacitly tolerated within the industry, but that women have the gall to complain.


By now, women and queer people know how much it costs to confront male violence. The developer Zoe Quinn, who has already faced some of the most poisonous online harassment as enemy number one of Gamergate, went public last week about the extensive emotional and sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of their former partner, developer Alec Holowka. (Quinn uses they/them pronouns.) Others, including Albertine Watson, also came forward about Holowka’s behavior. Like Quinn, and like most people who have been subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, they had thought they were the only ones—until someone broke their silence.

Holowka’s colleagues on the popular game Night in the Woods were quick to cut ties with him. “Enough of the allegations are extremely plausible and just about all of it we've corroborated with other sources,” wrote Scott Benson on the game’s Kickstarter page. “I'm not going to list those out here, this isn't a trial, and we don't /owe/ the internet a comprehensive accounting of why so many people who have known Alec for years have looked at the accusations and believed them.”

Then, on Saturday, August 31, Holowka took his own life. This is a tragic story for everyone involved: for Holowka’s family, for his coworkers, and for the women he allegedly victimized over the years. Nothing has been proved in a court of law, but Holowka’s colleagues were quite clear that they find the allegations credible. “Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses,” wrote Eileen Holowka, Alec’s sister, in a post announcing the death of her brother and “best friend.” “Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm.” Eileen Holowka added that “in case it’s not already f****** obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else, so don’t use our grief as an excuse to harass people.”
The family’s wishes have been ignored; the backlash against Quinn and others has been relentless. According to the logic of an army of concern-trolls, Quinn has blood on their hands. They should have taken Holowka’s fragility into account before “ruining his life.” They are worse than a murderer. Quinn deleted their Twitter account after a barrage of harassment and threats, many of them from people who consider Quinn’s chief crime “inciting harassment.”
The scale of hypocrisy here is so staggering it's almost impressive. People, often young women, who dare to speak up can expect to face public harassment and private retribution. Young women can expect to be punished for the crimes men commit against them—but if they dare to speak up, they are the ones who are “ruining lives.”
The response to the death of Alec Holowka throws this double standard into razor-sharp relief. The harassment of Quinn and others has nothing to do with concern for Holowka and his family and everything to do with making examples of women and queer people who dare to speak out. The message is clear: Men’s mental health matters more than women’s. Men’s suffering and self-loathing is treated as a public concern, because men are permitted to be real people whose inner lives and dreams matter. Who cares, then, how many women they destroy along the way?


For a small but vicious and dedicated sector of gamers, the humanity of women has long been an insulting proposition. Now it appears that a significant cluster of men who make and design games has fallen into the habit of treating women like nonplayer characters, expendable and replaceable. The allegations are not simply about rape. In fact, many of the allegations are not about explicit, physical violence at all. That’s what has got the fuck-your-feelings, ethics-in-gaming-journalism brigade extra confused and outraged.
I hate to be the one to break this news, but “not a convicted multiple rapist” is not, in fact, the gold standard for good male behavior. Most of the ways in which women are sidelined, harassed, worn down, and exploited within industries like games, often when they are at the beginning of their careers, are more insidious than that. Insidious enough that many of the more pernicious patterns of behavior aren’t, in fact, crimes at all—in part because the legal standard for rape, as Kate Millett memorably wrote, is set not at the level of women’s actual experience but just below the level of coercion that men consider acceptable. And that bar is low, low, low, low enough that it’s surprising how many still fail to clear it.
Nobody is pretending that any of this is easy. And nobody is saying that men’s feelings don’t matter—even if those men are abusive. I know a fair few men who have been taken to task for their behavior in public, and yes, those men have suffered. As psychiatrist Lundy Bancroft writes in Why Does He Do That?, “An abusive man deserves the same compassion that a nonabusive man does, neither more nor less. But a nonabusive man doesn’t use his past as an excuse to mistreat you. Feeling sorry for your partner can be a trap, making you feel guilty for standing up to his abusiveness.”
The threat that men will fall apart or harm themselves if women refuse to put up with their behavior is an age-old, tried-and-true tactic of control, and it plays on issues of identity that run hot and deep. Women are raised to put men’s interests before their own. Women are supposed to protect men from the consequences of their actions. Even if it means staying in an abusive relationship, or accepting social ostracism and shame, women are expected to suffer so that men can grow. Most women and queer people have been raised to treat men’s emotions with respect and deference, even at the cost of their own happiness, because most of us have been raised with the understanding that when men get upset, bad things happen. Men, too, even decent and nonsexist men, have grown up with this understanding—that male suffering simply matters more, or why else would we treat it as a public concern?
I've been there. I've been that person person struggling not to prioritize a man's pain, and I know how hard it is to break out of that mindset. One of my ex-partners and former close friends is a multiple rapist who sexually, physically, and emotionally abused countless women, including me. When some of his victims began to put the pieces together, he assured us that he would end his life if it became public. We believed him. We knew that he was fragile, had accepted his narrative that he abused women for the same reason he abused drugs and alcohol—because he was in pain and could not help himself. He used the same combination of threats and performative weakness that crops up in every narcissist’s playbook, convincing us that he was both too powerful to be crossed and too weak to survive being held accountable. When the stories came out anyway, despite his best efforts, he did not choose to end his life. But yes, he did suffer. People who are held accountable for years of abuse frequently do—and their victims are not responsible for that suffering. Just like Zoe Quinn is not responsible for their alleged abuser’s decision to end his life. It was his decision to hurt them, and his decision to hurt himself.
Here’s a thought: What if people started thinking about the effect on victims’ mental health before they make the decision to abuse, bully, and rape? Women in games—like women in entertainment, politics, journalism, and every other industry that has been shaken by #MeToo allegations—have learned not to speak about our exhaustion, our pain and trauma. We have learned to come across as carefully neutral, as endlessly reasonable, to hide the depression, the fear, the anxiety. For every man whose behavior has been excused because of his mental health problems, there are countless women and queer people whose mental health problems have been weaponized against them, to dismiss what they say. The risk that male violence poses to women’s mental health—women who have been harassed or assaulted are far more likely to be diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder, and up to 13 percent of rape victims attempt suicide—is not considered worthy of comment.

This is what happens within industries where men have most of the power and seniority—and, crucially, it is also how male power perpetuates. Women quietly drop out of professions and workplaces where they are routinely hurt, demeaned, and isolated. The damage is borne in private by the victims themselves, and by networks of women doing the emotional deep-cleaning so that men don’t have to be confronted with the damage they’ve done.

It's work, and it wears you down. I'm a person with two jobs, and I spent at least eight hours I didn’t have to spare this past weekend holding space for friends who have been put in situations just like this, situations where they are powerless. If you've not been privy to that liminal sphere, if you don't know the daily work that goes into maintaining those delicate tendrils of care, then it could well seem like this is coming out of nowhere. If you don't know what it's like to watch a friend fold quietly in on herself as she tells you about a man you both know, about what he did, and why she can't ever say anything, because he can and will crush her dreams with a gesture, and he's already hurt her enough—if you’ve not had to learn, at your cost, that the fragility of powerful, volatile men is far more of a hazard than their strength—then you might well ask, Why now?

My fingers are fairly itching with all of the stories I’m not telling here because they aren’t mine to share, and the consequences wouldn’t only be mine to bear. Secrets that eat you up from the inside. I don’t want to think about how much time I’ve spent over the past five years dealing with the fallout of male violence, giving advice, trying to mitigate damage, trying to protect survivors. I don’t want to think about it because most of the men in my life and in my fields of work don’t have to spend their energies on such things.

Some days it feels like the whole world is being held hostage to male fragility. Sometimes it seems that there’s no limit on what women, girls, and queer people are expected to tolerate in order to protect men from a moment’s uncomfortable self-reflection. Sometimes I don’t know who to trust anymore. There are so many men out there who appear to be allies, and yet who do not consider their own intimate behavior toward women to be at all relevant to the discussion. I don’t know who is going to turn out to have covered up for his violent friend, or taken his low self-esteem out on his girlfriend, iced younger women out of his industry when they refused to go on dates with him. I just want to know: What if we decided to care as much about the wellbeing of women who have been abused as we do about the wellbeing of abusers? What would it be like to live in a world, or to work in an industry, where the social consequences of hurting a woman weighed heavier than the social consequences of being one?
 
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Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility
After the death of Zoe Quinn's alleged abuser, the trolls have escalated their racket, raising the question of whose mental health society tries to protect.


The videogames industry is having its #MeToo moment, and the backlash against it has been fast and brutal. Developers and creators are bravely going public about decades of exploitation, including at the hands of respected figures who have contributed to beloved franchises. The response has been moral outrage—not that there's an epidemic of men hurting women and covering for each other, not that sexual harassment has been tacitly tolerated within the industry, but that women have the gall to complain.


By now, women and queer people know how much it costs to confront male violence. The developer Zoe Quinn, who has already faced some of the most poisonous online harassment as enemy number one of Gamergate, went public last week about the extensive emotional and sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of their former partner, developer Alec Holowka. (Quinn uses they/them pronouns.) Others, including Albertine Watson, also came forward about Holowka’s behavior. Like Quinn, and like most people who have been subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, they had thought they were the only ones—until someone broke their silence.

Holowka’s colleagues on the popular game Night in the Woods were quick to cut ties with him. “Enough of the allegations are extremely plausible and just about all of it we've corroborated with other sources,” wrote Scott Benson on the game’s Kickstarter page. “I'm not going to list those out here, this isn't a trial, and we don't /owe/ the internet a comprehensive accounting of why so many people who have known Alec for years have looked at the accusations and believed them.”

Then, on Saturday, August 31, Holowka took his own life. This is a tragic story for everyone involved: for Holowka’s family, for his coworkers, and for the women he allegedly victimized over the years. Nothing has been proved in a court of law, but Holowka’s colleagues were quite clear that they find the allegations credible. “Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses,” wrote Eileen Holowka, Alec’s sister, in a post announcing the death of her brother and “best friend.” “Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm.” Eileen Holowka added that “in case it’s not already f****** obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else, so don’t use our grief as an excuse to harass people.”
The family’s wishes have been ignored; the backlash against Quinn and others has been relentless. According to the logic of an army of concern-trolls, Quinn has blood on their hands. They should have taken Holowka’s fragility into account before “ruining his life.” They are worse than a murderer. Quinn deleted their Twitter account after a barrage of harassment and threats, many of them from people who consider Quinn’s chief crime “inciting harassment.”
The scale of hypocrisy here is so staggering it's almost impressive. People, often young women, who dare to speak up can expect to face public harassment and private retribution. Young women can expect to be punished for the crimes men commit against them—but if they dare to speak up, they are the ones who are “ruining lives.”
The response to the death of Alec Holowka throws this double standard into razor-sharp relief. The harassment of Quinn and others has nothing to do with concern for Holowka and his family and everything to do with making examples of women and queer people who dare to speak out. The message is clear: Men’s mental health matters more than women’s. Men’s suffering and self-loathing is treated as a public concern, because men are permitted to be real people whose inner lives and dreams matter. Who cares, then, how many women they destroy along the way?


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For a small but vicious and dedicated sector of gamers, the humanity of women has long been an insulting proposition. Now it appears that a significant cluster of men who make and design games has fallen into the habit of treating women like nonplayer characters, expendable and replaceable. The allegations are not simply about rape. In fact, many of the allegations are not about explicit, physical violence at all. That’s what has got the fuck-your-feelings, ethics-in-gaming-journalism brigade extra confused and outraged.
I hate to be the one to break this news, but “not a convicted multiple rapist” is not, in fact, the gold standard for good male behavior. Most of the ways in which women are sidelined, harassed, worn down, and exploited within industries like games, often when they are at the beginning of their careers, are more insidious than that. Insidious enough that many of the more pernicious patterns of behavior aren’t, in fact, crimes at all—in part because the legal standard for rape, as Kate Millett memorably wrote, is set not at the level of women’s actual experience but just below the level of coercion that men consider acceptable. And that bar is low, low, low, low enough that it’s surprising how many still fail to clear it.
Nobody is pretending that any of this is easy. And nobody is saying that men’s feelings don’t matter—even if those men are abusive. I know a fair few men who have been taken to task for their behavior in public, and yes, those men have suffered. As psychiatrist Lundy Bancroft writes in Why Does He Do That?, “An abusive man deserves the same compassion that a nonabusive man does, neither more nor less. But a nonabusive man doesn’t use his past as an excuse to mistreat you. Feeling sorry for your partner can be a trap, making you feel guilty for standing up to his abusiveness.”
The threat that men will fall apart or harm themselves if women refuse to put up with their behavior is an age-old, tried-and-true tactic of control, and it plays on issues of identity that run hot and deep. Women are raised to put men’s interests before their own. Women are supposed to protect men from the consequences of their actions. Even if it means staying in an abusive relationship, or accepting social ostracism and shame, women are expected to suffer so that men can grow. Most women and queer people have been raised to treat men’s emotions with respect and deference, even at the cost of their own happiness, because most of us have been raised with the understanding that when men get upset, bad things happen. Men, too, even decent and nonsexist men, have grown up with this understanding—that male suffering simply matters more, or why else would we treat it as a public concern?
I've been there. I've been that person person struggling not to prioritize a man's pain, and I know how hard it is to break out of that mindset. One of my ex-partners and former close friends is a multiple rapist who sexually, physically, and emotionally abused countless women, including me. When some of his victims began to put the pieces together, he assured us that he would end his life if it became public. We believed him. We knew that he was fragile, had accepted his narrative that he abused women for the same reason he abused drugs and alcohol—because he was in pain and could not help himself. He used the same combination of threats and performative weakness that crops up in every narcissist’s playbook, convincing us that he was both too powerful to be crossed and too weak to survive being held accountable. When the stories came out anyway, despite his best efforts, he did not choose to end his life. But yes, he did suffer. People who are held accountable for years of abuse frequently do—and their victims are not responsible for that suffering. Just like Zoe Quinn is not responsible for their alleged abuser’s decision to end his life. It was his decision to hurt them, and his decision to hurt himself.
Here’s a thought: What if people started thinking about the effect on victims’ mental health before they make the decision to abuse, bully, and rape? Women in games—like women in entertainment, politics, journalism, and every other industry that has been shaken by #MeToo allegations—have learned not to speak about our exhaustion, our pain and trauma. We have learned to come across as carefully neutral, as endlessly reasonable, to hide the depression, the fear, the anxiety. For every man whose behavior has been excused because of his mental health problems, there are countless women and queer people whose mental health problems have been weaponized against them, to dismiss what they say. The risk that male violence poses to women’s mental health—women who have been harassed or assaulted are far more likely to be diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder, and up to 13 percent of rape victims attempt suicide—is not considered worthy of comment.

This is what happens within industries where men have most of the power and seniority—and, crucially, it is also how male power perpetuates. Women quietly drop out of professions and workplaces where they are routinely hurt, demeaned, and isolated. The damage is borne in private by the victims themselves, and by networks of women doing the emotional deep-cleaning so that men don’t have to be confronted with the damage they’ve done.

It's work, and it wears you down. I'm a person with two jobs, and I spent at least eight hours I didn’t have to spare this past weekend holding space for friends who have been put in situations just like this, situations where they are powerless. If you've not been privy to that liminal sphere, if you don't know the daily work that goes into maintaining those delicate tendrils of care, then it could well seem like this is coming out of nowhere. If you don't know what it's like to watch a friend fold quietly in on herself as she tells you about a man you both know, about what he did, and why she can't ever say anything, because he can and will crush her dreams with a gesture, and he's already hurt her enough—if you’ve not had to learn, at your cost, that the fragility of powerful, volatile men is far more of a hazard than their strength—then you might well ask, Why now?

My fingers are fairly itching with all of the stories I’m not telling here because they aren’t mine to share, and the consequences wouldn’t only be mine to bear. Secrets that eat you up from the inside. I don’t want to think about how much time I’ve spent over the past five years dealing with the fallout of male violence, giving advice, trying to mitigate damage, trying to protect survivors. I don’t want to think about it because most of the men in my life and in my fields of work don’t have to spend their energies on such things.

Some days it feels like the whole world is being held hostage to male fragility. Sometimes it seems that there’s no limit on what women, girls, and queer people are expected to tolerate in order to protect men from a moment’s uncomfortable self-reflection. Sometimes I don’t know who to trust anymore. There are so many men out there who appear to be allies, and yet who do not consider their own intimate behavior toward women to be at all relevant to the discussion. I don’t know who is going to turn out to have covered up for his violent friend, or taken his low self-esteem out on his girlfriend, iced younger women out of his industry when they refused to go on dates with him. I just want to know: What if we decided to care as much about the wellbeing of women who have been abused as we do about the wellbeing of abusers? What would it be like to live in a world, or to work in an industry, where the social consequences of hurting a woman weighed heavier than the social consequences of being one?

Thia right here outlines the leftist/liberal mind.
It doesn't matter what the story is, what matters is what The Right/The Trolls think of it, and we must defend it against them.

This is where the narrative always ends up. Everyone defending Zoe does it because they hate the idea of the enemy having a win. This informs their tactics.
 
Here's a dooozy.
I learned how to search within dates on Twatters....

So right now I'm back in 2012 during Chelsea's stay with Alec.
It's a little curious ya know?
:thinking:
I thought Alec was too busy beating you for you to be able to sit around drawing while he played the piano Chelsea???
Oh you must have stockholm already...

I'll root through this time area and find every single one of these later.
Of note, in this one she's tweeting AT him.
And it only has ONE like, which must be him, I never got an answer from my follow request on his page so who knows.

Status URL: https://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/185501935334469633

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EDIT:
Two days earlier: https://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/185148067698323457

Looks like they were still in puppy love or am I missing something with that emoji shit she tweeted back at him?

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I still don't know what sexual, physical and emotional abuse Alex Holowka inflicted on all these women since not a single accusation was raised when these alleged crimes happened and not a single victim went to the hospital/police/doctor so conveniently these isn't a paper trail of any kind that would give these claims the slightest credibility.

And fuck the "believe all women" line, I'm a woman and I don't convict anyone without evidence. In any other profession this would lead to a lawsuit because courts still go by the rues of evidence.
 
I still don't know what sexual, physical and emotional abuse Alex Holowka inflicted on all these women since not a single accusation was raised when these alleged crimes happened and not a single victim went to the hospital/police/doctor so conveniently these isn't a paper trail of any kind that would give these claims the slightest credibility.

And fuck the "believe all women" line, I'm a woman and I don't convict anyone without evidence. In any other profession this would lead to a lawsuit because courts still go by the rues of evidence.

Consider that Zoe is in cut-rate prostitution disguised as a 'game dev' and you'll start to understand her rape accusations are cat calls from the alley.
 
The pieces lionizing Quinn in these leftist rags are some of the laziest journalism I've ever seen in regards to research. It's not hard at all to find miles and miles of internet red tape detailing her history of abuse, scamming, grifting and countless lies. Now that she's killed a man with false accusations (and, being as this is Quinn, they are assuredly false) you would think that things would finally start to tip the other way. Sooner or later, her past is going to catch up with her. She has some power still, but she loses more every year and with every blunder and constant failure to deliver even the most basic product. This takes the cake for all time fuck ups on her part though.

While she's doubtless got some mileage in her yet in regards to the media's seemingly endless goodwill towards her, I think a lot of this thread has correctly predicted that this is the turning point. She'll only get older and more desperate to hold onto relevance, and this trick will only work once. It's still possible she'll try it again, and with someone willing to pull out all the stops to fight back.
 

Gaming's #MeToo Moment and the Tyranny of Male Fragility
After the death of Zoe Quinn's alleged abuser, the trolls have escalated their racket, raising the question of whose mental health society tries to protect.


The videogames industry is having its #MeToo moment, and the backlash against it has been fast and brutal. Developers and creators are bravely going public about decades of exploitation, including at the hands of respected figures who have contributed to beloved franchises. The response has been moral outrage—not that there's an epidemic of men hurting women and covering for each other, not that sexual harassment has been tacitly tolerated within the industry, but that women have the gall to complain.


By now, women and queer people know how much it costs to confront male violence. The developer Zoe Quinn, who has already faced some of the most poisonous online harassment as enemy number one of Gamergate, went public last week about the extensive emotional and sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of their former partner, developer Alec Holowka. (Quinn uses they/them pronouns.) Others, including Albertine Watson, also came forward about Holowka’s behavior. Like Quinn, and like most people who have been subject to physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, they had thought they were the only ones—until someone broke their silence.

Holowka’s colleagues on the popular game Night in the Woods were quick to cut ties with him. “Enough of the allegations are extremely plausible and just about all of it we've corroborated with other sources,” wrote Scott Benson on the game’s Kickstarter page. “I'm not going to list those out here, this isn't a trial, and we don't /owe/ the internet a comprehensive accounting of why so many people who have known Alec for years have looked at the accusations and believed them.”

Then, on Saturday, August 31, Holowka took his own life. This is a tragic story for everyone involved: for Holowka’s family, for his coworkers, and for the women he allegedly victimized over the years. Nothing has been proved in a court of law, but Holowka’s colleagues were quite clear that they find the allegations credible. “Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses,” wrote Eileen Holowka, Alec’s sister, in a post announcing the death of her brother and “best friend.” “Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm.” Eileen Holowka added that “in case it’s not already f****** obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else, so don’t use our grief as an excuse to harass people.”
The family’s wishes have been ignored; the backlash against Quinn and others has been relentless. According to the logic of an army of concern-trolls, Quinn has blood on their hands. They should have taken Holowka’s fragility into account before “ruining his life.” They are worse than a murderer. Quinn deleted their Twitter account after a barrage of harassment and threats, many of them from people who consider Quinn’s chief crime “inciting harassment.”
The scale of hypocrisy here is so staggering it's almost impressive. People, often young women, who dare to speak up can expect to face public harassment and private retribution. Young women can expect to be punished for the crimes men commit against them—but if they dare to speak up, they are the ones who are “ruining lives.”
The response to the death of Alec Holowka throws this double standard into razor-sharp relief. The harassment of Quinn and others has nothing to do with concern for Holowka and his family and everything to do with making examples of women and queer people who dare to speak out. The message is clear: Men’s mental health matters more than women’s. Men’s suffering and self-loathing is treated as a public concern, because men are permitted to be real people whose inner lives and dreams matter. Who cares, then, how many women they destroy along the way?


For a small but vicious and dedicated sector of gamers, the humanity of women has long been an insulting proposition. Now it appears that a significant cluster of men who make and design games has fallen into the habit of treating women like nonplayer characters, expendable and replaceable. The allegations are not simply about rape. In fact, many of the allegations are not about explicit, physical violence at all. That’s what has got the fuck-your-feelings, ethics-in-gaming-journalism brigade extra confused and outraged.
I hate to be the one to break this news, but “not a convicted multiple rapist” is not, in fact, the gold standard for good male behavior. Most of the ways in which women are sidelined, harassed, worn down, and exploited within industries like games, often when they are at the beginning of their careers, are more insidious than that. Insidious enough that many of the more pernicious patterns of behavior aren’t, in fact, crimes at all—in part because the legal standard for rape, as Kate Millett memorably wrote, is set not at the level of women’s actual experience but just below the level of coercion that men consider acceptable. And that bar is low, low, low, low enough that it’s surprising how many still fail to clear it.
Nobody is pretending that any of this is easy. And nobody is saying that men’s feelings don’t matter—even if those men are abusive. I know a fair few men who have been taken to task for their behavior in public, and yes, those men have suffered. As psychiatrist Lundy Bancroft writes in Why Does He Do That?, “An abusive man deserves the same compassion that a nonabusive man does, neither more nor less. But a nonabusive man doesn’t use his past as an excuse to mistreat you. Feeling sorry for your partner can be a trap, making you feel guilty for standing up to his abusiveness.”
The threat that men will fall apart or harm themselves if women refuse to put up with their behavior is an age-old, tried-and-true tactic of control, and it plays on issues of identity that run hot and deep. Women are raised to put men’s interests before their own. Women are supposed to protect men from the consequences of their actions. Even if it means staying in an abusive relationship, or accepting social ostracism and shame, women are expected to suffer so that men can grow. Most women and queer people have been raised to treat men’s emotions with respect and deference, even at the cost of their own happiness, because most of us have been raised with the understanding that when men get upset, bad things happen. Men, too, even decent and nonsexist men, have grown up with this understanding—that male suffering simply matters more, or why else would we treat it as a public concern?
I've been there. I've been that person person struggling not to prioritize a man's pain, and I know how hard it is to break out of that mindset. One of my ex-partners and former close friends is a multiple rapist who sexually, physically, and emotionally abused countless women, including me. When some of his victims began to put the pieces together, he assured us that he would end his life if it became public. We believed him. We knew that he was fragile, had accepted his narrative that he abused women for the same reason he abused drugs and alcohol—because he was in pain and could not help himself. He used the same combination of threats and performative weakness that crops up in every narcissist’s playbook, convincing us that he was both too powerful to be crossed and too weak to survive being held accountable. When the stories came out anyway, despite his best efforts, he did not choose to end his life. But yes, he did suffer. People who are held accountable for years of abuse frequently do—and their victims are not responsible for that suffering. Just like Zoe Quinn is not responsible for their alleged abuser’s decision to end his life. It was his decision to hurt them, and his decision to hurt himself.
Here’s a thought: What if people started thinking about the effect on victims’ mental health before they make the decision to abuse, bully, and rape? Women in games—like women in entertainment, politics, journalism, and every other industry that has been shaken by #MeToo allegations—have learned not to speak about our exhaustion, our pain and trauma. We have learned to come across as carefully neutral, as endlessly reasonable, to hide the depression, the fear, the anxiety. For every man whose behavior has been excused because of his mental health problems, there are countless women and queer people whose mental health problems have been weaponized against them, to dismiss what they say. The risk that male violence poses to women’s mental health—women who have been harassed or assaulted are far more likely to be diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder, and up to 13 percent of rape victims attempt suicide—is not considered worthy of comment.

This is what happens within industries where men have most of the power and seniority—and, crucially, it is also how male power perpetuates. Women quietly drop out of professions and workplaces where they are routinely hurt, demeaned, and isolated. The damage is borne in private by the victims themselves, and by networks of women doing the emotional deep-cleaning so that men don’t have to be confronted with the damage they’ve done.

It's work, and it wears you down. I'm a person with two jobs, and I spent at least eight hours I didn’t have to spare this past weekend holding space for friends who have been put in situations just like this, situations where they are powerless. If you've not been privy to that liminal sphere, if you don't know the daily work that goes into maintaining those delicate tendrils of care, then it could well seem like this is coming out of nowhere. If you don't know what it's like to watch a friend fold quietly in on herself as she tells you about a man you both know, about what he did, and why she can't ever say anything, because he can and will crush her dreams with a gesture, and he's already hurt her enough—if you’ve not had to learn, at your cost, that the fragility of powerful, volatile men is far more of a hazard than their strength—then you might well ask, Why now?

My fingers are fairly itching with all of the stories I’m not telling here because they aren’t mine to share, and the consequences wouldn’t only be mine to bear. Secrets that eat you up from the inside. I don’t want to think about how much time I’ve spent over the past five years dealing with the fallout of male violence, giving advice, trying to mitigate damage, trying to protect survivors. I don’t want to think about it because most of the men in my life and in my fields of work don’t have to spend their energies on such things.

Some days it feels like the whole world is being held hostage to male fragility. Sometimes it seems that there’s no limit on what women, girls, and queer people are expected to tolerate in order to protect men from a moment’s uncomfortable self-reflection. Sometimes I don’t know who to trust anymore. There are so many men out there who appear to be allies, and yet who do not consider their own intimate behavior toward women to be at all relevant to the discussion. I don’t know who is going to turn out to have covered up for his violent friend, or taken his low self-esteem out on his girlfriend, iced younger women out of his industry when they refused to go on dates with him. I just want to know: What if we decided to care as much about the wellbeing of women who have been abused as we do about the wellbeing of abusers? What would it be like to live in a world, or to work in an industry, where the social consequences of hurting a woman weighed heavier than the social consequences of being one?
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These fucks legit wrote an article where they straight up came out and said "Yeah killing yourself over false rape accusations sucks but has anyone thought about how it makes ME feel?"

Vile.
 
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