Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[feral cat #6385]

Imagine scoring a small victory yet still looking like an idiot.

It's very hard to go 0-16. Chupp denied J Shawn his perfect record.

 

[Hoss]

I said this in the case thread, but... it was a complete disaster by the Judge. He had no idea what he was doing in regards of standards of evidence, he treated it as a motion for summary judgement which you do *after* discovery, but I think the most egregious thing he did is this:

He rejected Vic's claims for TI with prospective business because Ty could not prove damages from cancelled contracts... which is TI with existing contracts. He pretty much overruled a claim because he couldn't prove a different one.. in a TCPA.

Can't conduct discovery because of TCPA
Lose TCPA because lack of discovery

What backwards boomer fuck wrote this shit?

 

[Girlboy69]

God what I wouldn't give to get a copy of that presentation. It sounds amazing and infinitely memable.

We really need a J Shawn appreciation for all the great material he has given us.

I hope he gets the ConSLUT of his choice for the work he has done. Jennifer Lynn Hunt would be perfect.

Considering I don't really pay much mind to consluts, I had to look up who she was and was surprised she wasn't trans with that manjaw.

 

[The Singer Of Songs]

It's very hard to go 0-16. Chupp denied J Shawn his perfect record.

0-16? I thought it was 0-5, with this being the 6th one?

 

[Bosch_Lee]

If BHBH hadn't done any PR for Vic, they would have bet everything on the outcome on their case and done their client a disservice. Nick said very early on that this case needed to be waged in public and it's hard to disagree with that. There is a lot of uncertainty in court and their remedy were he to win is to award damages, which some of the defendants might have trouble paying.

And let's not forget that all the attention Nick brought upon the case did serve a legal purpose. It put pressure on the defendants to settle, they haven't, mostly because of the TCPA, but I can't fathom that FUNimation would want to endure any more of this should the judge rule against them on defamation. The damage that has been done to their brand and their business has been immense and that's without them producing anything in discovery.

Just because Nick said that and was correct doesn't mean you ignore the rest of the case. Ty made some serious, retarded blunders.

I said this in the case thread, but... it was a complete disaster by the Judge. He had no idea what he was doing in regards of standards of evidence, he treated it as a motion for summary judgement which you do *after* discovery, but I think the most egregious thing he did is this:

He rejected Vic's claims for TI with prospective business because Ty could not prove damages from cancelled contracts... which is TI with existing contracts. He pretty much overruled a claim because he couldn't prove a different one.. in a TCPA.

And when asked for evidence Ty froze up, despite that evidence existing. Next time don't create a 3000 page bible of tweets and just focus on the meaningful ones and maybe you won't forget them when the judge asks.

 

[Svetlana]

Hey, @Svetlana, I wanted to ask a question:

We know that after all that's happened in the last 8 months, that Vic going and doing the old way of working is likely not going to happen (especially with Funimation burning down from the inside.) But how has he been doing with regards to other work opportunities? (don't divulge details, but broad overview is best.)

I know that there are a few non-traditional animation places that have him on board for voicing, but I am wondering if he's been looking at other potential opportunities out there, like more general voice over work or potentially doing work within the religious community.

EDIT: to get rid of wrong quote.

Vic's focus is squarely on the case for now, and on any appearances he can do to interact with fans. The issue there, of course, is finding events/venues who won't run scared at SJW tweets or emails. He is open to any and all possibilities that come his way, however.

I am hesitant to speak publicly about any opportunities because of the potential for others to interfere

 

[The Singer Of Songs]

Vic's focus is squarely on the case for now, and on any appearances he can do to interact with fans. The issue there, of course, is finding events/venues who won't run scared at SJW tweets or emails. He is open to any and all possibilities that come his way, however.

I am hesitant to speak publicly about any opportunities because of the potential for others to interfere

Precisely. Thank you for all of what you mentioned.

I am happy, though, that he's focused on something. It'll keep his mind sharp and help with the healing process.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm not sure if it was a joke or not but Lemonparty having a powerpoint presentation with pictures of literal dumpster fires crying children and tryhard boomer memes is funny as fuck to me, in a "what not to do" unprofessional way.

Now that I can post rationally instead of emotionally (thank you, college football), I can understand Chupp being a hardass. Even without the legal shit, when he was assigned, he was probably told that he’s got defamation and screwing with business opportunities. Legal proceedings start and he’s hearing things like “best girl” and “con sluts” and getting filing after filing and he’s just “what the fuck are these people and this case?” And that 25 people thing may be him just trying to make a joke since that’s the defendant’s argument they’re beating into the ground. Honestly, he’s probably hearing things and going through evidence over 30 days and his thought is “where’s the fucking scotch?” So, even without the legalese, I can understand him reaming into Ty.

Also, @Svetlana, I want to apologize for my comments of Vic needing to be on suicide watch from yesterday and insinuating that Vic might kill himself. I just remember people saying that Vic took a lot of things really hard and he was taking antidepressants and went from there.

 

[Commander]

I agree with you on all counts. I would even add that as much as I like Nick and his content, I hope to god this latest development gets him to focus on something else. I'm so tired of having every one of his streams be about weeb wars. He is talented at explaining law things and there are so many other interesting things to cover.

While I disagree on Ty, I agree with Nick. I think the doubling of the audience has gotten to him a bit. His Twitter activity has gotten worse and worse and while always irked me I said nothing. He is wasting so much time laughing and egging randos to the point it is sad. I do think he needs to rethink about how to handle the show as the transition hasn't been graceful. Sure I don't watch too many of his streams since it's late at night and farms gets me what I'm looking for, but I wouldn't say no to a tad more variety. Do we really need another stream dedicated to how wrong lawyers are on this case? Drexel's streams are the best of his for many reasons.

I don't think Nick should lay off the Vic case so much but more on KV themselves. He's just giving them what they want at this point.

 

[Random Internet Person]

If BHBH hadn't done any PR for Vic, they would have bet everything on the outcome on their case and done their client a disservice. Nick said very early on that this case needed to be waged in public and it's hard to disagree with that. There is a lot of uncertainty in court and their remedy were he to win is to award damages, which some of the defendants might have trouble paying.

And let's not forget that all the attention Nick brought upon the case did serve a legal purpose. It put pressure on the defendants to settle, they haven't, mostly because of the TCPA, but I can't fathom that FUNimation would want to endure any more of this should the judge rule against them on defamation. The damage that has been done to their brand and their business has been immense and that's without them producing anything in discovery.

If it’s the court of public opinion, then that’s explain why that Dallas lady is around and all those pictures of Monica and Jamie.

 

[Padoru]

Vic's focus is squarely on the case for now, and on any appearances he can do to interact with fans. The issue there, of course, is finding events/venues who won't run scared at SJW tweets or emails. He is open to any and all possibilities that come his way, however.

I am hesitant to speak publicly about any opportunities because of the potential for others to interfere

This shit will get sorted out eventually and then Vic will get to work properly again. There will always be people that'll defy the SJW shithole and those will welcome him with open arms. And those of us that care about dubs, like me, will embrace THEM.

Yes this hearing was a slight setback but as they say: It isn't over till the fat boomer sings.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Can't conduct discovery because of TCPA
Lose TCPA because lack of discovery

What backwards boomer fuck wrote this shit?

Stuff like the TCPA has been written in recent times in reaction to things like politicians, city governments, etc, suing people for defamation for normal criticism. Even if it's complete bullshit that would get dismissed at the summary judgement stage, the costs of going through all the initial motions and discovery could easily run into the tens of thousands of dollars and usually drag out for months if not years. If both sides are out $30,000 at the end, it's usually a significantly larger hit for the average citizen than for a corporation, government, or a likely wealthy politician. Even if the plantiff loses, they win because they've punished a critic and sent a warning to other potential critics. Those sorts of lawsuits got the label "strategic lawsuit against public participation" aka SLAPP. The creation of anti-SLAPP laws such as the TCPA is an attempt to fix those.

Vic's case is an example of why such laws are difficult to implement. A good idea is being used by a bad actor to shield themselves from a viable case brought by a good actor, and the strict timeframe and the discovery stay meant to protect defendants make it hard for the plaintiff to properly make their case. Then the protection against such circumstances fails when the judge applies the wrong evidentiary standard at the TCPA hearing, and expects the plantiff to have been asking to do a bunch of discovery during a discovery stay where the judge can reasonably be expected to heavily scrutinize such requests.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

I don't think Nick should lay off the Vic case so much but more on KV themselves. He's just giving them what they want at this point.

Attention and E-fame?

While I am not pro or anti Vick, I do agree with you Nick streams have gotten me snoreing when it's just the same people he mocking over and over.


You can tell a joke a thousand times, but it's going to lose it's luster after the first few, and become tidus.

Unless it's a pun, Puns are great.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

If it’s the court of public opinion, then that’s explain why that Dallas lady is around and all those pictures of Monica and Jamie.

Lemoine seems to have called in a favor based off of his previous coverage in her publication; her biased writing seems to confirm that she isn't there as a journalist, just for the smearjob.

 

[Svetlana]

Now that I can post rationally instead of emotionally (thank you, college football), I can understand Chupp being a hardass. Even without the legal shit, when he was assigned, he was probably told that he’s got defamation and screwing with business opportunities. Legal proceedings start and he’s hearing things like “best girl” and “con sluts” and getting filing after filing and he’s just “what the fuck are these people and this case?” And that 25 people thing may be him just trying to make a joke since that’s the defendant’s argument they’re beating into the ground. Honestly, he’s probably hearing things and going through evidence over 30 days and his thought is “where’s the fucking scotch?” So, even without the legalese, I can understand him reaming into Ty.

Also, @Svetlana, I want to apologize for my comments of Vic needing to be on suicide watch from yesterday and insinuating that Vic might kill himself. I just remember people saying that Vic took a lot of things really hard and he was taking antidepressants and went from there.

Make no mistake, Vic took it reeeally hard before getting all the facts about what actually happened. He even had a so-called "friend" reading the KV live Tweets and texting/berating him (grrr!!). With friends like those....ugh

It was a tough day for sure, but Vic is okay. He's a sensitive soul, but he has a good support system in place. Never a need to apologize for caring.

 

[feral cat #6385]

0-16? I thought it was 0-5, with this being the 6th one?

I'm going for a football reference here. The regular season in NFL football is 16 games. It's very difficult to field such a terrible team that one loses all 16 games. Only 2 Teams have managed it the 2017 Cleveland browns and the 2008 Detroit Lions. Most bad teams can get at least 1 or 2 wins. I'm implying that Ty had such a bad game plan and not having his team ready to play that he let Lemoine avoid going 0-16 by giving him a win.

 

[Bosch_Lee]

Attention and E-fame?

While I am not pro or anti Vick, I do agree with you Nick streams have gotten me snoreing when it's just the same people he mocking over and over.


You can tell a joke a thousand times, but it's going to lose it's luster after the first few, and become tidus.

Unless it's a pun, Puns are great.

Do you think sometimes Nick gives too good of advice and the other side is watching and taking notes? Nick going over how Ty fucked up the notary on that recent document was good ammo for Lemmonie. They basically had Nick doing their work for them.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Make no mistake, Vic took it reeeally hard before getting all the facts about what actually happened. He even had a so-called "friend" reading the KV live Tweets and texting/berating him (grrr!!). With friends like those....ugh

That makes me angry.
Imagine feeling like the best thing to do is harass someone like that. Especially if that person was once your friends.

These are grown ass adults acting like kids gossiping about high school drama when this is destroying someone's life. It's not something that just goes away.

Excuse me for having a moment there.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

That makes me angry.
Imagine feeling like the best thing to do is harass someone like that. Especially if that person was once your friends.

These are grown ass adults acting like kids gossiping about high school drama when this is destroying someone's life. It's not something that just goes away.

High school never ends.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

Make no mistake, Vic took it reeeally hard before getting all the facts about what actually happened. He even had a so-called "friend" reading the KV live Tweets and texting/berating him (grrr!!). With friends like those....ugh

It was a tough day for sure, but Vic is okay. He's a sensitive soul, but he has a good support system in place. Never a need to apologize for caring.

I'm curious if Vic's feelings and perspectives on Monica and Funimation's clown show has changed since the TCPA. I assume Vic is more than likely to take the holy way out and act on the premise of good faith. However, I believe he's in the position where he is backed into a corner and should consider that the opposition is past salvation and forgiveness.