ISWV Community thread - Destroying the Hugbox

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David Harlow was the scapegoat to BlueSpike's gayOps on Chris-Chan, you guys got duped, sounds like someone wants milk

See what I did there, right?
 
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OneHandClapping said:
I'll admit I want to Vic to win, both because I think he's a genuinely good man who's been wronged and that the defendants range from insufferable to downright evil asshats. It helps that Vic is, in the context of KF mocking, boring as fuck, while KickVic give nonstop laughs.

That aside, let's ask this. We've seen what the lawsuit has brought so far. We have guesses what might happen.

But what happens if he did nothing? He loses KamehaCon and Bubbafest. Maybe even Matsuri. All the minor venues and signings. He's separated from his fans save Unlocked, and who knows, maybe David Vincent might've caved and delisted him if he thought Vic was guilty enough to not fight back. The only narrative that comes out is the anti-Vic ones. We don't get the ridiculous jellybean story or wifebeater Ron. Vic would've died in a dark corner somewhere, maybe literally.

At least now he can still connect with fans, and he's gotten con invites.
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Sure, but these are all personal decisions for him to make, we don't know what's going on with his bank account or personal life. I like making fun of Ron Toie as much as the next guy, but not if it means going into debt. I'm certainly glad he sued, but I think that if we assume the worst result in the case, I don't see anyway to twist that around into saying that it was a good idea for Vic. It's not his job to provide entertainment for us or be a bulwark for a culture war, his only job is to take care of himself and his loved ones. The damages and rewards of losing the case, winning the case and not pursuing the case are all entirely theoretical so there's no way to say for certain what the best decision was, but I'm personally convinced that if he loses at TCPA, burns most (all?) of his bridges in the anime community while effectively amplifying the fact that people think he's a pedophilic rapist (Not to mention emboldening people who don't actually think it, but won't people to believe they think it), he'd be better off just taking the shots and trying to put his life back together.


Sometimes you stand up to the bully and it works out, and sometimes...nah.
 
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Yellow Yam Scam said:
Sure, but these are all personal decisions for him to make, we don't know what's going on with his bank account or personal life. I like making fun of Ron Toie as much as the next guy, but not if it means going into debt. I'm certainly glad he sued, but I think that if we assume the worst result in the case, I don't see anyway to twist that around into saying that it was a good idea for Vic. It's not his job to provide entertainment for us or be a bulwark for a culture war, his only job is to take care of himself and his loved ones. The damages and rewards of losing the case, winning the case and not pursuing the case are all entirely theoretical so there's no way to say for certain what the best decision was, but I'm personally convinced that if he loses at TCPA, burns most (all?) of his bridges in the anime community while effectively amplified the fact that people think he's a pedophilic rapist Not to mention emboldening people who don't actually think it, but won't people to believe they think it), he'd be better off just taking the shots and trying to put his life back together.


Sometimes you stand up to the bully and it works out, and sometimes...nah.
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My main reasoning is that just lying down lets the narrative go only one way, that he was a child groping rapist. You could argue he would try to wage a PR battle or whatever, but like I brought up, he tried that, and it got corrupted into Beth Elderkin's slag piece. He needed to fight back in one of the most emphatic ways possible, with a lawsuit.

It's theoretical. There might've been a timeline where Vic does nothing, goes back to LA, and somehow strikes it big with the LA dubbing scene. But I think that one's unlikely.
 
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Yellow Yam Scam said:
You're doing that whole emotional investment thing. If Vic does end up losing everything on TCPA then, yes - the best decision would have been to roll over and "die" (i.e, retire with his substantial wealth or find a new job in a new field) unless he thinks that furthering the cause is worth the cost and Streisand affecting the accusations.
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What cost? Vic hasn't paid a dime for his legal defense.

As for the Streisand effect, Vic painted a huge target on his back and nobody came forward with anything resembling what was alleged. There are a few serious accusations, but those were all made before there was a lawsuit. In that regard, the lawsuit helped Vic because he got specific accounts of what IT HAPPENED TO ME even was, allowing him to refute that and others.
 
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What cost? Vic hasn't paid a dime for his legal defense.

As for the Streisand effect, Vic painted a huge target on his back and nobody came forward with anything resembling what was alleged. There are a few serious accusations, but those were all made before there was a lawsuit. In that regard, the lawsuit helped Vic because he got specific accounts of what IT HAPPENED TO ME even was, allowing him to refute that and others.
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The cost of having to pay Monica/Ron/Marchi/Funimation's lawyers for losing at TCPA + the mental + reputational cost (And before you say it: Yes, there was already a reputational cost due to the nature of the allegations he was fighting, I'm simply acknowledging the fact that we don't know if the court case and ensuing publicity has hurt his reputation more than the allegations would have.) That other bit about no one coming forward is just goofball shit, the KickVic affidavits clearly have examples of at least 4 people coming forward with the things alleged and I haven't even actually read all of them (Monica, Yost twins, Mary Reese) The fact that you (and I) don't believe the affidavits and that no one has provided hard evidence of the accusations don't mean s h i t to 95% of the onlookers and it doesn't mean that people haven't come forward.
 
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Yellow Yam Scam said:
The cost of having to pay Monica/Ron/Marchi/Funimation's lawyers for losing at TCPA + the mental + reputational cost (And before you say it: Yes, there was already a reputational cost due to the nature of the allegations he was fighting, I'm simply acknowledging the fact that we don't know if the court case and ensuing publicity has hurt his reputation more than the allegations would have.) That other bit about no one coming forward is just goofball shit, the KickVic affidavits clearly have examples of at least 4 people coming forward with the things alleged and I haven't even actually read all of them (Monica, Yost twins, Mary Reese) The fact that you (and I) don't believe the affidavits and that no one has provided hard evidence of the accusations don't mean s h i t to 95% of the onlookers and it doesn't mean that people haven't come forward.
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Reserve your concern trolling for after the TCPA ruling. It hasn't even hit appeals yet, relax.
 
Ambidextype said:
I can just about say this adds as the evidence social media make people dumber. Not just the woke crowds but our side also is considerably. Too many don't think before clicking the submit button. Also the fact that they still post their real names in facebook.
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Nah, SM just gave every dumb asshole in the world a giant microphone to scream about dumb shit.
 
Yellow Yam Scam said:
You're doing that whole emotional investment thing. If Vic does end up losing everything on TCPA then, yes - the best decision would have been to roll over and "die" (i.e, retire with his substantial wealth or find a new job in a new field) unless he thinks that furthering the cause is worth the cost and Streisand affecting the accusations.
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So basically give up what you love and enjoy doing cause a bunch of jealous dipshits want to sink you? That is not a decision, that's flat out giving up. You don't let these people win. You fight back or the cycle will never end.
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
Reserve your concern trolling for after the TCPA ruling. It hasn't even hit appeals yet, relax.
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You seem to have forgotten that this is literally a thread about making fun of #ISWV dweebs, you may need to recalibrate your expectations if you think I'd even bother with concern trolling rather than just calling you all gang of morons if that's what I wanted to do. You guys have convinced yourself that even the worst case scenario validates the decisions that were made, and that should let you know that you need to do some soul searching.
 
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Yellow Yam Scam said:
You seem to have forgotten that this is literally a thread about making fun #ISWV dweebs, you may need to recalibrate your expectations if you think I'd even bother with concern trolling rather than just calling you all gang of morons if that's what I wanted to do. You guys have convinced yourself that even the worst case scenario validates the decisions that were made, and that should let you know that you need to do some soul searching.
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Yes, it's a thread to bash exceptional ISWV individuals. Not to sit and bait with poor concern trolling. Try that in the other legal-themed threads, where it might actually be on topic
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
I think what people are failing to understand, is that the exceptional spergs identifying on either side, are not actually on either side.

These exceptionals are on the side of chaos, and they literally don't care about whatever cause they latch onto.
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Pretty much, nobody talks about Johnny Depp or Geoffrey Rush anymore.

All the tards trying to "save" or "cancel" Vic will forget about him in a month once the suit's over for the next "outrage".
 
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Yes, it's a thread to bash exceptional ISWV individuals. Not to sit and bait with poor concern trolling. Try that in the other legal-themed threads, where it might actually be on topic
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My apologies for not making fun of a bunch of obsessives who are literally about to kill themselves and/or firebomb a judge's car because they feel entitled to having him play Men's Rights Activist at their behest. Next time I'll be sure to follow the rules and get straight to it.
 
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CheezzyMach said:
Pretty much, nobody talks about Johnny Depp or Geoffrey Rush anymore.

All the tards trying to "save" or "cancel" Vic will forget about him in a month once the suit's over for the next "outrage".
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Only a month? You are far too generous. I didn't know anything about vic untill people said who he voiced, and then I was ohh he that voice actor.

And to be honest I a lot of times forget who he is, and I am talking about this case, and mocking both sides daily.

I give normal people that have not picked a side like me 1 week before we forget who Vic is, and how to even say his name.

2 weeks for spergs on both sides.

And a month and a half for His "Fans".


the Die hard fans will remmeber him forever as they snuggle the Vic Bodypillow and mope about what ever the outcome is.
 
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neural said:
Almost all of the #MeToo'd celebrities didn't sue anyone over it though, there are many reasons why suing is frequently a bad call even if you think you're in the right. Do you think Kevin Spacey couldn't afford top-tier law firm money? He could, but unlike Vic, he probably listened to the non-LOLyers when they told him his case will likely backfire even if he wins.

After this suit ends, Vic could easily be in the hole for a cool mil plus, AND, now there are countless affidavits that are public knowledge, and can be repeated and referenced with no fear of litigation.

I'd say that knowledgeable has gone out of the window at this point.

He somehow combined the worst qualities of both Landau and Zaid during this shitstorm. And we're still not done.
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Honestly I think where Vic fucked up was suing for conspiracy and TI, most MeToo victims that have sued seem to settle on defamation and slander.
 
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