Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[UY 690]

Yeah, I'm ready to categorize the exceptional extremes as chaos seekers at this point.

Indeed. Some folks just wanna ranch for wonk points.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

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THE FUCK!

Don't do drugs kids.

 

[TheClappening]

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THE FUCK!

Won't lie, laughed at "booty warrior."

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

Yeah, I'm ready to categorize the exceptional extremes as chaos seekers at this point.

I am ready to categorize them as Trolls looking to do what trolls do. Try to piss people off for their own amusement.

 

[UY 690]

Saving the URL for that Change.org shit in case it gets deleted from the site. The internet never forgets!

 

[Mister Y]

Filled courtrooms. Filled Facebook wall. Vic gets butts in the seats and that makes him a public figure, brother.

Being a public figure because of the lawsuit isn't relevant.
Was the courtroom filled because of his VA work or because of the Weeb Wars ?
Is the facebook wall filled because of his VA work or because of the Weeb Wars ?
Have you ever heard of Vic before 2019 ? I sure didn't.

EDIT: Also, late and gay.
EDIT2: Grammar matters.

 

[Chudbacca]

Looks like some people are reiterating what Nick has said a billion times on stream that I also agree with: you can only answer for yourself.

Vic has never asked anyone to do anything negative on his behalf and as far as I know neither have Jamie, Monica, or Ron.

As far as any of us know of course. I mean...we all know how Ronnie boy feels about judges. And doggy-dogs. He wanna those good bois.

Man...there's a dude there whose profile pic is of him with Sabat. That's spicy, bruh. Wonder what his opinion is regarding the so-called casting couch?

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

I thought it was odd that Chuck had to include his opinion of Vic having a lot of sex on his affidavit, calling it "shameful" and basically accusing him of manipulating women with his fame to fuck them. Also the comment about him cheating. I get it's Chuck's opinion, but it could only be detrimental to Vic, right? Especially the part about his "shameful" behavior. Never understood why he had to include that and Ty agreed to. Shouldn't have done that if he really wanted to help Vic.

 

[Chudbacca]

I thought it was odd that Chuck had to include his opinion of Vic having a lot of sex on his affidavit, calling it "shameful" and basically accusing him of manipulating women with his fame to fuck them. Also the comment about him cheating. I get it's Chuck's opinion, but it could only be detrimental to Vic, right? Especially the part about his "shameful" behavior. Never understood why he had to include that and Ty agreed to. Shouldn't have done that if he really wanted to help Vic.

Shows that he's being honest about his opinions of his friend. For normal people that doesn't mean you condemn the person. You care about them in spite of their behavior or your opinion of their behavior.

One of my best friends who I respect and love did a very stupid thing in the past and he suffered for it. I was ashamed for him too. I was quite shocked when he told me what he did but I would never hold it against him. He had to face it and I made it clear I would help him. We are humans. We're constantly trying to not be pieces of shit when it's SO TEMPTING sometimes to just be a huge fucking piece of shit.

Sometimes we do the shit thing and people want to cancel you for it not realizing they could be cancelled too. Deleted from existence and deemed unworthy of pity.

As it stands, no one has the authority to judge another human being in that manner. It just doesn't work that way and if you think it does then you're a mega faggotino.

 

[Calm]

I thought it was odd that Chuck had to include his opinion of Vic having a lot of sex on his affidavit, calling it "shameful" and basically accusing him of manipulating women with his fame to fuck them. Also the comment about him cheating. I get it's Chuck's opinion, but it could only be detrimental to Vic, right? Especially the part about his "shameful" behavior. Never understood why he had to include that and Ty agreed to. Shouldn't have done that if he really wanted to help Vic.

I think it's less about being against Vic and more about him covering his own ass, so that if the case does happen to go south, he can just point at those lines, say he was misled by Vic or that he was naive, and that's that. While it's nice to think there's a possible "honesty" angle, it's way too optimistic for the people involved within the VA industry.

 

[Mister Y]

The members of the ISWV side speak ill of cancel culture and yet they act with the same tools to try and create it.

First : ISWV is not a hive... again... how do you know the people who try to cancel KV are the same as the ones who advocate against cancel culture ?

Secondly :
Cancel culture is canceling people because of unsubtantiated accusations... nothing to do with firing someone who's guilty of running a casting couch.
Of course we yet have to get the proof that Sabat is indeed guilty, but if he is, putting his ass in a cell certainly isn't cancel culture, it's simply justice.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

First : ISWV is not a hive... again... how do you know the people who try to cancel KV are the same as the ones who advocate against cancel culture ?

Secondly :
Cancel culture is canceling people because of unsubtantiated accusations... nothing to do with firing someone who's guilty of running a casting couch.
Of course we yet have to get the proof that Sabat is indeed guilty, but if he is, putting his ass in a cell certainly isn't cancel culture, it's simply justice.

Sabat's casting couch IS an unsubstantiated accusation at this point tho. We don't even have anyone coming forward with first hand accounts. Huber's account wasn't first hand.

 

[Mister Y]

Sabat's casting couch IS an unsubstantiated accusation at this point tho. We don't even have anyone coming forward with first hand accounts. Huber's account wasn't first hand.

Fact that is aknowledged by my message... maybe you should have read the last line more carefuly...

Of course we yet have to get the proof that Sabat is indeed guilty, but if he is, putting his ass in a cell certainly isn't cancel culture, it's simply justice.

EDIT:
Also, there is also a difference between accusations on twitter and accusations under oath, I would argue that the later have way more credit.
And in this particular case, Chuck's affidavit has way more weight than de defendants' because unlike them, he isn't trying to save his own ass.

EDIT2: Oh, and wild thought about Chuck: He may actually be trying to help Vic, but simply not be good at it.

 

[Allanon]

Fact that is aknowledged by my message... maybe you should have read the last line more carefuly...



EDIT:
Also, there is also a difference between accusations on twitter and accusations under oath, I would argue that the later have way more credit.
And in this particular case, Chuck's affidavit has way more weight than de defendants' because unlike them, he isn't trying to save his own ass.

Accusations under oath have more credit. Unless it's someone like Jennifer Lynn pinkie promising.

 

[Chudbacca]

Yeah, the worst part is it's still happening as I type

He ought to calm down.

Sure, it's scary losing your livelihood. It's scary standing up to fucking psychopaths who want to run roughshod all over you and your friends. But it's even scarier to let them actually control you through fear.

Ty blew it with the affidavits. But whatever happens in court it helps Vic because it exposes just how shitty Funi and his so-called friends are. I understand being mad about Ty's fumble, but that's about it. Chuck said what he said and he has to own it. He didn't have to do or say anything for anyone. It's not Vic's fault that this happened. He refused to cave to these people and he's done nothing but shown sincerity and professionalism publicly.

These people, on the other hand, have publicly and privately ruined their own reputations and it's hilarious because they think that every time they tweet it's a win and they're owning Vic, Nick, Ty, and ISWV. But they're just stupid assholes looking for attention. Meanwhile Vic is winning big time with real people. His con lines show it. And that must intensify their asspain to excruciating levels.

If Chuck allows these people to control him, he deserves to be their Reek.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Fact that is aknowledged by my message... maybe you should have read the last line more carefuly...

Ok. My bad.

Just got out of bed and worked double shifts yesterday lol. Sorry buddy.

 

[Garm]

The members of the ISWV side speak ill of cancel culture and yet they act with the same tools to try and create it. This whole thing is a mess, and as i feared it's going to the petty fights. Here's some advice for Vic's Allies: SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Stop talking and let the information come from us. The farms remains neutral. We mock all who are worthy of mockery. If you do or say something stupid we will mock you, and it will be made public. Much like Gamergate and the SkepticTM community the egotistical thirst for political internet blood-sports turns one into the monster they wish to slay. This is how regardless of how legitimate your intentions, and ideas are, these communities all implode onto each other. For example, cannibalizing Ty for.......... bringing TCPA evidence to a TCPA hearing that the judge fucked up. Easy fix: Appeal, point out the mistake, and move on. Don't attack the judge on social media unless you want him to become your enemy and not just some bumbling, old, dumb-ass.

Onto Chuck. lets just assume he's "the guy." Neat! He's mad that his ass is on the chopping block too with no visible (read: immediate) results to save himself and Vic. Understandable. We all knew this legal battle would be long and arduous - Its too easy to take a loss (it may not even be a loss - only time can tell) and just throw the baby out with the bathwater, but please remember these things are very slow and painful. The internet age is the age of instant gratification - it's easy to forget this in court. Its easy to want to just Curse Ye Ha Me Ha people whom we find unpalatable but that's not what happens.

I've been in favor for a while now of creating a concise archive of the most damning statements (and their immediate context) made as an overview. of the events, so that any layperson can see whats happened. In no longer than 20 minutes of reading or viewing.

Ok ISWV wipe the Autistic, snot and spittle off your lip, act like adults, stand up and keep it moving.

ISWV using cancel culture is nasty business but necessary. Cancel culture is a tool that people... As a society, should agree "this should never be used." But someone took the tool down off the rack and started hitting people with it. You can't physically attack people for using cancel culture because any reaction will be deemed an "over-reaction." Being angry about it will get the response "it's only words."

I think humans forget things too quickly and that is why we have cancel culture. Everyone forgot how shitty things get when things like this happen. So you have to pound on the people who took the tool off the rack and their enablers.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

For example, cannibalizing Ty for.......... bringing TCPA evidence to a TCPA hearing that the judge fucked up. Easy fix: Appeal, point out the mistake, and move on.

Sorry, Ty deserves to be mocked as much as J. Sean for his past week of fuckups. He is not a defamation lawyer, so he's out of his element from the start. Then got a wrong read on Judge Chupp from the start. He fixes this by dumping 1,200 pages of disorganized crap on the court docket half an hour after the due date, cobbling it together in the last day. It helps he fucks up the notarization too through either laziness, negligence, or who even knows, Ty hasn't said much about it. This filing was shit, on a scale of 1-10 with Landau being a 1, J. Sean's was a 2 and Ty's was a 3. And all the while he does this as tens of thousands of people are watching every move he and his firm make which makes this case disproportionately important from a business perspective.

Then when he gets to court it all comes crashing down because Judge Chupp isn't fucking around with this. He's sick of the idiocy in this case. And he has the TCPA on his side, which while its as disagreeable as New York's lax anti-SLAPP, is still the law. Ty had all the pieces needed to get most of this to stick, but he monumentally fucked up and the judge wasn't having it because he didn't construct the pieces into a good enough weapon to grind the utter scum that is the KickVic side into the dirt. Even if he had a more reasonable judge, he still would've got a similar if he didn't have an idiot like J. Sean as his opponent. Don't just blame Chupp as disagreeable and appealable as some of his takes are.

To Ty's credit, he had some good filings earlier in the case and seems like a good guy and is fantastic at PR. And he wasn't the one hyping himself up for six months as some elite wargamer playing 4D chess in the courtroom, that was everyone else, which set unreasonable expectations for what he'd get done, and being disappointed by his performance after all this hype left a horrible taste in my mouth about him. But let's be honest, right now he's shown himself to be almost all talk when it comes down to the critical moments. People didn't listen enough to Nick when he said that Law Twitter weren't just a bunch of blowhards and could have good insight on the case. And I hope Ty realizes that and has a painful learning experience from this because I want to see Vic win and I want to see as many awful people ground into the dirt as possible.

 

[DanDanielson]

ISWV using cancel culture is nasty business but necessary. Cancel culture is a tool that people... As a society, should agree "this should never be used."...

I think humans forget things too quickly and that is why we have cancel culture. Everyone forgot how shitty things get when things like this happen. So you have to pound on the people who took the tool off the rack and their enablers.

Bretty much. Roughly like the Geneva conventions against wmd's. Although I won't shed a tear as their own tactics are turned against them. I mean I'd prefer frank discussion and discourse, but that's just not possible with most of these faggots.

 

[Allanon]

Cancel culture is stupid, but whining about it won't make it go away. Unless you're a super hero, you're just handicapping yourself for no reason when you go up against people who weaponize it and then refuse to use it yourself. Force your opponent to live up to their own standards.