The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[The Pink Panther]

Oh, lawd, here we go:
https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/art/GA-Commentary-Gender-Episodes-812499760

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Fucking hell with this guy.

This is a twat with too much free time. This nigga be writing 58 paragraphs for something that can be explained in 5. Wtf. Who even reads this shit?

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Fucking hell with this guy.

This is a twat with too much free time. This nigga be writing 58 paragraphs for something that can be explained in 5. Wtf. Who even reads this shit?

For someone who seems to hate everything about the school system, he at least agrees on their essay-writing method of "Wordcount is more important than substance."

Over 4,000 words, are you KIDDING me?

 

[8777BB5]

Oh, lawd, here we go:
https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/art/GA-Commentary-Gender-Episodes-812499760

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How much you want to bet that when Jon was a kid he hated the episodes of cartoons that were solely devoted to boys learning to play with Barbie Dolls and Girls racing Soapbox Derby cars because I guarantee you that he probably was one of those kids because most kids see those episodes as annoying wastes of time as well as being like school topics.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

Oh, lawd, here we go:
https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/art/GA-Commentary-Gender-Episodes-812499760

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Can someone give a TL;DR? Because there is no fucking way I'm reading through all of that if the actual important bits are hidden within masses upon masses of walls of text.

 

[NNewt84]

Can someone give a TL;DR? Because there is no fucking way I'm reading through all of that if the actual important bits are hidden within masses upon masses of walls of text.

Basically, he's written a few scripts for Growing Around "episodes" where he wants to tackle gender issues, in a "nuanced" way as he puts it, some of which will be a slam against gender-flipped reboots such as the Ghostbusters remake (the last of which is a noble cause, but knowing Enter he'll probably botch it up big time).

 

[LiquidKid]

Oh, lawd, here we go:
https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/art/GA-Commentary-Gender-Episodes-812499760

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Ok, this shit needs to be looked at piece by piece

Spoiler: Massive post

60 is also important because it’s just over one third of the 175 scripts that I plan to write total for this series. And if nothing else comes about, this is something that I will accomplish with even my dying breath. 50 episodes for season 1, divided into 25 summer episodes and 25 winter and fall episodes. And all of the other five seasons get 25 episodes each.

Enter claims that there are 60 “canon” episodes of this shit, and he plans to do 175 total. An insane number considering that there are highly successful cartoons that never even make it to 40. But at least we get the humor of knowing he’s dedicated enough to finish this fanfic shitfest even if it kills him.
But there’s a big problem with the whole thing. He planned it out in the most autistic way possible. His “first season” will be 50 episodes, while his other seasons will only be 25 each. I guess he doesn’t realize that a show generally gets ordered for more episodes as it goes in, not the other way around. And then there’s the issue of it being half winter and half spring in his first season. Seasonal episodes rarely work as anything more than a one off every other season. Winter is not an interesting enough season to justify 25 entire episodes dedicated to it. Especially when the series will undoubtedly have more winter episodes.
A show needs a consistent setting to serve as a default. When you literally split a season in half, you rob it of that default, and that gives the audience nothing to grasp on to. You can have a Christmas episode because winter doesn’t own half the show. I think a good place to look is Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls, two shows that took place in summer. Summer served as a default for them, but they found ways to utilize other moods as their offshoots, P&F did this more, but GF still did Halloween and found ways to have snow in the show on occasion.
His autism has doomed the show even more than we originally thought.

As I go on, I figured that I’d put down some of my thoughts into commentaries as such. It’s very tempting for someone to want to go into every single little detail about a project, but doing that within the text can really bog down the experience

Completely unable to be self aware despite literally doing what he claims he won’t.

The first script in this saga I wrote was Pinks & Blues. In this episode, Max is revealed to like a comic book series, entitled Sparkle Princess Adventures. It’s pink and glittery and incredibly feminine. Within it though, it is high fantasy and filled with political intrigue. Max is made fun of by a wide swath of people for liking this comic book series, because he is a guy.

>girl series is actually a highly interesting fantasy series.

Totally not trying to take shot at the people who mock bronies.

You couldn’t be more obvious if you called if MLP.

Like most Growing Around stories, it takes a basic plot that has been done time and again and it sheds new light on it.

This has literally never happened in the history of Growing Around.

but an age thing would not mesh well with the world of Growing Around, considering many characters are praised for acting younger than their age.

Do they favor maturity or do they favor acting young? Make up your fucking mind John!

Morals like “be yourself” break apart when you start applying them to characters like Buford from Phineas and Ferb (a bully), Deedee from Dexter’s Lab (stupid and destructive), or Steve from Growing Around (a jerk).

Adding your own character into a list of characters from actually established cartoons. Totally not shameless.

Steve and Anna are another piece to this episode. Steve is a jerk. He makes fun of Max for liking something girly, and he tends to lead the crowd. Anna is the more interesting piece here, and it’s something that I have noticed. Anna gets… a little bit too excited and doesn’t seem to directly care for Max’s feelings, at least at the start. They’re both insensitive, but in different ways. In one part of the episode, both Steve and Anna buy Max a Princess Scarlett dress… for different reasons, but with the same result.

Don’t discuss your own characters like they’re high art that you saw elsewhere.

So… we needed to think of a solution and that solution brought this arc to life. Tales of Childhood Past was the next episode I wrote, and it’s chronologically the first episode of this series. This is important. Incredibly important. It’s a backstory episode that takes us back to what appears to be colonial times. In this time, girls dominate everything. People have described it like being KND’s “Operation F.U.T.U.R.E” but in the past, and I can definitely see that in a way

Translation: I have been called out for stealing this plot line, and I admit to the theft.

So, I gave girls an upper hand in the whole gender dynamics, and I think that makes a lot of sense in the world of Growing Around. And not just because of the whole “role reversal” idea, although it is thematically fitting. A lot of the reason that men and women have uneven rights in many places and all throughout history is because of the biological differences between the two: namely, women have babies.

In history, childbirth was a lot more complex and a lot more all encompassing. If you didn’t replace your population, goodbye to your civilization. Giving childbirth was also a lot more dangerous without modern medicine, and infant mortality was incredibly high. Like less than half of infants made it to the age of six (which is why the “average age” of bygone eras was so low; it had nothing to do with people dying in their thirties). That there determined women and men’s legal and social roles all throughout history. I’m not saying it’s a good thing; it’s just… what happened.

This isn’t even remotely correct. It’s a tribalistic thing. Primitive humans evolved from animals, and most animals generally focus on mating above all else. When pregnant, a female is usually unable to do basic tasks, leaving the male in charge. Further, a dominant alpha male can usually protect territory in a way a female cannot. That’s is generally why male animals have higher places in hierarchy, and why it developed for humanity. It’s not a repopulation thing.

In the world of Growing Around though, none of the people in charge had to worry about this kind of stuff. That would be the responsibility of “the adults.” So, in glimpses of the past, in episodes like The “B” Word we have seen boys and girls on more even footing. However, those are only glimpses and it’s safe to assume that things haven’t always been that equal, because kids aren’t immune to prejudice. Many kids do go through a “boys/girls are icky and have cooties” phase. Also, girls do mature (physically at least), faster than boys - there is a period of time where girls are taller than most boys their age - so it makes sense that in, maybe even most cases - girls would be on top of society.

Once again, false. Something tells me he failed biology.

I guess that… another subtle message of this episode is that “boyishness” and boyish activities are… okay. Like it is an increasingly common criticism aimed at parents and school systems that boys are treated like defective girls. This is because, compared to girls, boys tend to be more hyper, loud, boisterous, and gross, and other things that aren’t considered “proper.” Which is… an entire discussion for another day.

He knows literally nothing about children. The “properness” of girls comes from their upbringing. It’s all a societal thing. True, boys are generally more active(testosterone) an affinity to be loud, boisterous, and gross is solely based on how the child is raised, not their gender.

It is important for this series though. Most of the other episodes of this arc showcase male characters embracing femininity. I don’t want to spread the message that masculinity is bad, or isn’t valuable, or is lesser than femininity.

Your entire series is set around this though. You have no male characters who can even be considered male. They’re all cross dressing whipped bitches.

Not bad for an episode that was originally written to be the backstory of another one.

Fuck off. This wasn’t a piece of high art, nor was it a success by any stretch

So… the civil war ended civilly. The princess at the time recanted many of the girl-biased laws. Then she cut her hair and she established a new holiday, where boys and girls got to experience the other side. In the modern day, that means fear factor contests for girls, and beauty contests for boys

Excuses for his weird fetishes

This one came around because a lot of people were asking me to do a “genderswap” episode like Fiona and Cake from Adventure Time, and I had a problem with doing that. I don’t believe that… gender is just this superficial thing. What I mean is that… every individual person has their own individual relationship with their gender. It’s the same with race, sexuality, economic status, mental capabilities, etc.

1-nobody asked you that, don’t even pretend.

2-the Adventure Time gender swap episode actually has Fiona acting extremely different to Finn, they were independent characters. The point of a what if gender swap is to show a what if scenario.

3-you write every character with the same lack of a personality, everything is superficial with you.

With Sally, I’d have the opposite problem - there would be next to no difference at all if she were to be born a boy.

No issue with this statement.

Talula exploits historical pain for her own political gain.

Kill yourself.

the boys haven’t won this holiday in several years...
Brave New Girl is the next episode, and I think that it’s the most interesting. The basic premise is this - “what if the girls won the civil war?”

“I don’t want to make it seem like boys are worse than women, I just think the scenario where they lost all rights and powers permanently is the more interesting scenario.”

Are you even paying attention to what you’re writing?

For the record… I don’t think that our world is unbalanced as the Growing Around world in Tales of Childhood Past or Brave New Girl. They are largely made more over-the-top for a dramatic effect to tell a story. I’m not saying that everything is totally equal socially or legally in the real world, it’s just not… at such a dramatic, unliveable extreme.

Balance doesn’t exist in this world. It’s very much slanted to little girls. Boys and adult men are all slaves or non-existent in your delusions

Dress for Stress is what you might call a landmine episode.

No one says that, and no one would ever describe anything you wrote as that.

So… lemme put something to bed before it wakes up. Growing Around has a diverse set of characters, from all walks of life. But I don’t have “diversity” for the sake of diversity. In all cases, a character’s identity is only a part of their character. No character is there just to be “the gay one” or “the black one” or “the trans one.” And their identity is rarely the focal point of the episode. Riley, for instance, was introduced in episode 3, but the first episode that delves into this aspect of them is in season 3. Ray-Ray is a former member of Eternity Forever, which was also established in season 1.

Blatant lying. None of your diverse characters have any personality or a reason to be diverse besides you pandering.



The rest is just bitching about progressivism in a very anti-sjw rant style, only done very poorly

TL;DR
Enter discusses several of his episodes as if it were his DVD commentary, going off about his intentions for them and the meaning behind them like they are award winning pieces of genius.

A waste of time to read

 

[NNewt84]

The rest is just bitching about progressivism in a very anti-sjw rant style, only done very poorly

Yep, you hit the nail on the head - he even falls into the SJW trap of labelling women as "progressive", despite supposedly opposing the SJWs.

I even left him a comment calling out his BS, but so far no reply. (I'm surprised he hasn't blocked me yet.) And for those of you wondering, here's the comment I wrote:

I hate to break this to you, Enter, but there is nothing politically correct about Ghostbusters 2016 - its entire existence is a complete insult to women, telling them they are inferior to men and cannot create original ideas or be seen as individuals in their own right. Calling the movie "politically correct" is like calling Sharia law "politically correct" because of how they treat women; it just isn't true!

If anything, Inside Out is politically correct, since it actually respects girls and just depicts them as normal individual people, instead of treating them like blacks, gays or any other minority group you can think of. It actually treats them as equal to guys. Hell, I'd expect you, of all people, the creator of Sally Dunn, to realise that girls are just normal people, since you're clearly not writing her as a token minority.

And also, your argument that films like the GB "hurt progressive movements"... Yeah, never mind that you're being equally as terrible by labelling anything to do with women as "progressive", implying that being female is somehow strange or abnormal. The mindset that women doing something with their lives is somehow "progressive" only further alienates them from being seen as equal to men, and you're only hurting the cause of gender equality by contributing to this notion. Seriously - you have a sister! How are you not used to seeing girls/women on a regular basis?

 

[LiquidKid]

I even left him a comment calling out his BS, but so far no reply. (I'm surprised he hasn't blocked me yet.) And for those of you wondering, here's the comment I wrote:

Never. Ever. Interact with the cow. That’s one of the biggest rules. We observe, we don’t provoke

 

[NNewt84]

Never. Ever. Interact with the cow. That’s one of the biggest rules. We observe, we don’t promote

Well, if it helps, I never once mentioned I have a Kiwi Farms account, and he probably won't find out since I used a completely different username. (I do have a DA account called NNewt84, but that's not the one I wrote the comment with.) So at least I'm not promoting the website to him.

 

[LiquidKid]

Well, if it helps, I never once mentioned I have a Kiwi Farms account, and he probably won't find out since I used a completely different username. (I do have a DA account called NNewt84, but that's not the one I wrote the comment with.) So at least I'm not promoting the website to him.

No, it doesn’t help. It’s an extremely exceptional thing to do.
And beyond that, do you honestly think he doesn’t check this site? Or that you are important enough for him to look you up?
There are guidelines for a reason. Making direct contact with a cow is very similar to organizing attacks against them. That’s is absolutely not what anyone on this site does. We discuss their stupid ass behavior, mock them, and carry on.
It doesn’t matter who they are, you do not contact them for any reason

 

[NNewt84]

Or that you are important enough for him to look you up?

Well, no - if anything, that should be a sleight in our favour, since it decreases the likelihood that we'll get caught, even if only by a hair.

 

[LiquidKid]

Well, no - if anything, that should be a sleight in our favour, since it decreases the likelihood that we'll get caught, even if only by a hair.

What crack are you smoking? Nobody here is worried about “being caught.”
What is there to even catch us for? Talking about a trash fire? Laughing at insanity?
I really think you need to calm down man, seriously. You’re getting off topic and doing no favors in the process.
Turned around your -29 score, but that’s gonna go back really quick if you keep this up

 

[NNewt84]

What crack are you smoking? Nobody here is worried about “being caught.”
What is there to even catch us for? Talking about a trash fire? Laughing at insanity?

Well, why are we trying to remain hidden? Is it just more fun to go behind his back? If so... eh, I guess I'll give you that one.

Turned around your -29 score, but that’s gonna go back really quick if you keep this up

Uh... thanks, I guess?

 

[LiquidKid]

Well, why are we trying to remain hidden? Is it just more fun to go behind his back? If so... eh, I guess I'll give you that one.



Uh... thanks, I guess?

It wasn’t a compliment.

And no one here is trying to be hidden. It’s a public forum. We don’t interact with the lolcow because that goes against the point. Think of it like this: you can be tickled and you can tickle someone else, but you can’t tickle yourself.
Well, watching a lolcow consistently do exceptional things is like a tickle. But when you provoke it on purpose, you don’t get the same sensation. Further, when you announce you provoked it, you just ruined any sense of humor to be had for everyone else.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Well, why are we trying to remain hidden? Is it just more fun to go behind his back? If so... eh, I guess I'll give you that one.

We aren't trying to remain hidden; fucking with a cow and trying to provoke them is just faggy as hell.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

@NNewt84, look, I get it. You're new here. No one's ever really explained the rules to you. We never interact with cows, because it makes them suspicious and leads to them covering up their tracks, and making it harder for us to track their exceptionalism. Hell, sometimes tipping them off can lead to them completely locking down everything, and we end losing a huge piece of an overall bigger puzzle. An example would be the ProJared thread, where someone tipped off one of the people involved which lead to them either deleting or locking down everything, and now there's a huge chunk of the story missing.

Another reason that we never do it is because it gives the cows an excuse to blame us for their exceptionalism. Never give these cows an excuse for their behavior. If we went around fucking with cows it would make them some sort of bizarre martyr in the eyes of other cows, or some shit like that.

Long story short, don't try to provoke cows, or contact them. Just sit back, observe, and document. That's all you have to do.

We aren't trying to remain hidden; fucking with a cow and trying to provoke them is just faggy as hell.

Also this.

 

[NNewt84]

It wasn’t a compliment.

I was thanking you for bringing my score up (even if just by a hair).

 

[The Pink Panther]

I was thanking you for bringing my score up (even if just by a hair).

Nice art dumbfuck.

True conniseur of the arts here, draws men like a true blue hero: https://www.deviantart.com/salab-jibvoh

 

[Magnus did Nothing Wrong]

Nice art dumbfuck.

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True conniseur of the arts here, draws men like a true blue hero: https://www.deviantart.com/salab-jibvoh

Also Sam (@NNewt84) , you might want to make sure the DA account you talk about on Kiwi farms isn't one step removed from a youtube account with your dox on it. I know you have autism (https://www.myautism.org/interview-sam-bateman-spreads-awareness-film/) so it might be hard for you to figure out why that was a bad idea but you should probably fix that buddy.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Also Sam (@NNewt84) , you might want to make sure the DA account you talk about on Kiwi farms isn't one step removed from a youtube account with your dox on it. I know you have autism (https://www.myautism.org/interview-sam-bateman-spreads-awareness-film/) so it might be hard for you to figure out why that was a bad idea but you should probably fix that buddy.

Here's the film he made, he's a Brit-autist apparently: