Nick Rekieta's Weeb Wars videos & livestreams - MULTIPLE SLURS

[Immaculate Ape]

This is a problem that needs addressing. Donations are just that, donations. They aren't a paid service, you aren't owed anything. If someone thinks they are entitled to an outcome because they threw money at it, they clearly don't understand the point of donating.

People can call it a "waste" all day, but consider what all came out of the lawsuit so far:

- Uncovered that the defendants were blatantly lying about sexual misconduct
- Revealed the toxic work environment of Funimation
- Revealed two predatory women in the cosplay/convention scene
- Started an inquiry into allegations of Sabat, and possibly management of the largest dubbing company in North America that may result in a reckoning of the industry
- Cleaned up the behaviors of countless VAs

These may seem small, but they are serious ripples that may or may not affect change.

Without Vic filing his suit, none of it would come out and these shitty people would still continue their shitty behavior unchecked.

That said, nobody but BHBH and Vic know how much of the 250k is left, and Nick isn't going to tell people to stop donating, it's been his motivation to keep people donating to it because it could drag on for years.

It's another knee jerk concern troll to start wailing about running out of money. We won't ever know that information.

People who donate need to stop acting like they're entitled to anything. Clearly the best effort is being made, with the info they have available.

 

[Garm]

The judge did some weird shit but only one side was ready for it- something Nick didn't really remark on when someone asked why it was that the defense was prepped for the judge going beyond the normal TCPA stuff but Beard wasn't. Maybe that wouldn't seem so stark if we hadn't seen streams with Beard getting mad at the internet and yelling about how stupid everyone on the other side was.

Blaming the judge doesn't make anyone a lolcow but I think it's short-sighted as he is the hardest element to control. Appeals? Sure, but they cost money, time, and may not work anyway. Would have been a lot easier to go in to the hearing ready for anything (or at least as much as the other side was) than trying to repair stuff now.

The other side wasn't prepared. TI was thrown out because the judge fought Ty more than Lemoine did.

And Chupp dismissed Marchi because her lawyer convinced him the tweet wasn't in evidence.

The judge declared Vic a limited public person with only a flippant remark.

Ty prepared for court only to find a circus.

 

[Prj4MW8iPT3vmFM2rzDc]

The other side wasn't prepared. TI was thrown out because the judge fought Ty more than Lemoine did.

And Chupp dismissed Marchi because her lawyer convinced him the tweet wasn't in evidence.

The judge declared Vic a limited public person with only a flippant remark.

Ty prepared for court only to find a circus.

seems about right considering the current year

 

[Nontransferable]

Even if Vic loses, I won't regret helping him to *try*.
I didn't give much though. I don't have much to give.

I mean sure, if we could have seen exactly what would happen... in that case, the gofundme wouldn't have been started.
If people could see the future... well, I probably would've been aborted.

The entire case could be tossed out of court and it's still better than the alternative. Think about where Vic would be today if nothing had been done. It's not pretty. No one should feel like their money was wasted.

 

[Apocalypse]

I'm just going to say, I'm about 70% confident that the defamation charges will stick, going by Nick's description of how Chupp acted regarding it. Looking forward to the transcripts.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

1,200 pages is fucking preposterous. No one in the history of the world has ever read anything 1,200 pages long.

The response proper was 35 pages.

 

[Elric of Melnibone]

My understanding from the beginning with the gofundme is that its not really to pay for the lawsuit in its entirity, it was more to prime the pump and give Vic a cushion to absorb the cost of the defendants trying to sandbag the case. Vic is probably more financially well off than any one of the defendants outside of Funi, but with all the stalling that was bound to happen, Nick knew that all it would take is one party stalling for everything they couuld and it would incentive's Funi just sitting back and waiting for Vic to fold. And this is backed up by Nick saying almost every stream that Moronica and Marchi just expected Vic to fold and minecraft himself.

Further more, and if anything is given back to those who donated it would be this, the GFM was a message. Alot of times in shit like this people tell people unhappy with it to vote with their wallets. On top of that the other side was slagging Vic saying that he was a danger to his fans and that no one would support a "known predator, sexual assaulter", or any other negative label they could hit him with. Thats a tough claim to make when he has over 200k given to him by his fans just to try to clear his name and fight back. Its even more difficult if on top of donating over 200k they also show up to the con he was previously canceled from and making him among the top earners. They put him away from the actual convention and he still had more traffic than any of the other VA's. And what was even better is Monica tried to rally her supporters and they could not even fill a comic shop. So not only was the GFM ment to send a message, that message was sent loud and clear. So I would say rather than thinking of the GFM as a legal defense fund, think of it more as donating to a PR campaign for Vic to get the truth out. In this way it kind of does not matter where this shit show of a lawsuit actually ends up, the PR for Vic is worth more than what ever money could be won at the end of this suit.

I will end with this. No one but you can decide where you spend your money. The thrust of this whole shit show is a bunch of self entitled cunts thinking they could dictate to an entire industry and fan base who they should be entertained by. They were so jealous and vindictive that they tried and in a lot of ways succeeded in ending a mans career because they could not compete with him in a fair manner. So don't donate to the GFM because you want Vic to win the lawsuit, donate to it because you want to send a message. And btw you can send that message in numerous other ways as well, some of them specifically by NOT spending money at all (arrrrr). And finally, are you not entertained? How boring would it have been if BHBH was able to just spike the ball on first contact? Yeah the salt would be emence, but now we have even more smug to throw in their faces when/if they lose overall. I personally can not wait to plaster Marchi's twitter with her trash tweet in the event she loses in the end.

 

[Hoss]

All it's really done is turn all these lawsuits into two lawsuits. There's now a mini-lawsuit up front before you get to the real lawsuit.

Yeah.....with much less evidence gathering power and a more anal judge rather than a Jury....which is EXACTLY what the 7th Amendment protects for Civil cases involving damages of 20 dollars or more....so about 380 Modern day USD.
The amendment is PRETTY damn clear on that too, and the Jury's assumption is practically final.

 

[Garm]

Animal Control are just words. The reality is much worse.

Null created the Kiwi Farms to laugh at cows, but it's gone much, much farther than that. Animal Control tore a hole in our universe, a gateway to another dimension. A dimension of pure chaos. Pure... evil. Look at it. Isn't it beautiful?


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Oh yea and Nick's show was bretty good last night. Unfortunately the super chats just get more and more cancer.

Why did you break the quarantine?

 

[feral cat #6385]

Why did you break the quarantine?

Curiosity, cat, etc...

 

[Bender]

There was barely over 100 pages of actual filing. The rest was the depositions which were going into the record anyway eventually. If he wants to actually cite them in any paper he files, they have to be in there.

Could he not just add the pages he was relying on to cite into the motion?

Edit: And same with Ron's 320+ Tweets, just pick what he considered the most damaging ones and shorten the motion by another maybe 300 pages? It seems to me he kind of overloaded the judge with information, and the judge didn't have either the time or the patience to go through everything, which would explain his attitude to Lemony as well.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I agree. I will admit that I thought round 1 would go a bit smoother and quicker but I have accepted being wrong on that.

I think people had a lot of misconceptions about how the legal system works and how the world works in general. This lawsuit ended up being a rude awakening.

I suspect a lot of people following this case haven't followed any lawsuits or criminal trials before. I found the results of the TCPA hearing disappointing, but that's somewhat tempered by things like that I had a passing interest in copyright and patent trolling cases a few years back. Where the first step in winning several patent cases was "lose the trial in East Texas so you can appeal and get the case heard by a court that isn't biased in favor of the holders of even the most bullshit of patents". And that's tame and reasonable compared to some criminal cases I've read about. So for people without that sort of prior knowledge, this is their first shock that the legal system can result in some absolute bullshit at times, and you can only hope you can fix it on appeal.

 

[Bender]

I suspect a lot of people following this case haven't followed any lawsuits or criminal trials before.

You'd be right, I have fuck-all idea about USA/Texan laws, for example, and that's why I generally wait for AnOminous and RodgerDodger's thoughts.

 

[AnOminous]

Could he not just add the pages he was relying on to cite into the motion?

You can't cite what's not in the record. Suppose you get asked to produce something and it isn't in the record because you never expected it to be needed.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

Could he not just add the pages he was relying on to cite into the motion?

Edit: And same with Ron's 320+ Tweets, just pick what he considered the most damaging ones and shorten the motion by another maybe 300 pages? It seems to me he kind of overloaded the judge with information, and the judge didn't have either the time or the patience to go through everything, which would explain his attitude to Lemony as well.

There was a reason why BHBH used that many and it was to preserve exemplary damages. Lemonsperg however, had no reason.

 

[AnOminous]

Could he not just add the pages he was relying on to cite into the motion?

Edit: And same with Ron's 320+ Tweets, just pick what he considered the most damaging ones and shorten the motion by another maybe 300 pages? It seems to me he kind of overloaded the judge with information, and the judge didn't have either the time or the patience to go through everything, which would explain his attitude to Lemony as well.

The judge apparently thinks this is a mathematical thing where if he doesn't like how many tweets there are because there aren't enough, that means the ones actually in the record aren't defamatory.

It seems the only reason the defamation claim against MoRon is even alive is that there were so many. He seemed more impressed by how many of them there were than what they said.

 

[Elric of Melnibone]

There was a reason why BHBH used that many and it was to preserve exemplary damages. Lemonsperg however, had no reason.

If I remember correctly even when their filings included the transcripts it was only small segments and not the whole thing or anything that would be favorale to Vic's case so Ty including the entire transcript plus the index was justified in that sense, especially that index which I imagine would be mighty useful in this shit show. Plus by filing the whole transcript you avoid any error caused by not filing something that could be useful either by not noticing it or forgetting to clip it out.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Marchi brags about how she got out of the court case, but should they quit on Marchi and Vic has to pay her attorney fees, instead of her settling, recanting her BS, and allowing the vague possibility that left over money from this clown world court case would go to victims of sexual assault, it'll just be money being absorbed by her lawyer because of the depths of her exceptionalism.

Didn't expect anything less. These were the people that wouldn't inform Specht that her fiancée was a rapist.

The judge apparently thinks this is a mathematical thing where if he doesn't like how many tweets there are because there aren't enough, that means the ones actually in the record aren't defamatory.

It seems the only reason the defamation claim against MoRon is even alive is that there were so many. He seemed more impressed by how many of them there were than what they said.

"Now, he may have committed TI with an existing contract once, but there's nothing that can be done because you can't demonstrate that he committed TI with an existing contract twice."

What was that?

 

[Bender]

The judge apparently thinks this is a mathematical thing where if he doesn't like how many tweets there are because there aren't enough, that means the ones actually in the record aren't defamatory.

It seems the only reason the defamation claim against MoRon is even alive is that there were so many. He seemed more impressed by how many of them there were than what they said.

Alright, I think I understand what you're saying, the Farms needs to send this judge so many copies of Slatosh's text messages with Ron as well as Marchi's Tweets with full context that it'll look like Harry Potter being invited to Hogwarts in the first movie.

You can't cite what's not in the record. Suppose you get asked to produce something and it isn't in the record because you never expected it to be needed.

So the only thing on the record right now is the 1st Sep filing and maybe (because I have no clue) the affidavits or unsworn testimonies, correct? When it comes to an appeal could Ty get the unsworn testimonies added to the court record as a replacement of the affidavits he withdrew? And I think there was some extra stuff in his ammended filing, would he be able to get that in front of the appellate court?

 

[Garm]

Curiosity, cat, etc...

Cats are assholes so I accept this answer.

I suspect a lot of people following this case haven't followed any lawsuits or criminal trials before. I found the results of the TCPA hearing disappointing, but that's somewhat tempered by things like that I had a passing interest in copyright and patent trolling cases a few years back. Where the first step in winning several patent cases was "lose the trial in East Texas so you can appeal and get the case heard by a court that isn't biased in favor of the holders of even the most bullshit of patents". And that's tame and reasonable compared to some criminal cases I've read about. So for people without that sort of prior knowledge, this is their first shock that the legal system can result in some absolute bullshit at times, and you can only hope you can fix it on appeal.

I will admit, I am a simple man. I don't follow internet drama because I have no control over it and I focus on my sphere of influence. However this some how managed to fuck with the small corner of the world that I claimed as my own.

I had figured Funimation would be like a normal company, namely "avoid lawsuits" being a priority. They would back down when a lawsuit happened because they had business to attend to.

Apparently the TCPA was the plan all along because Funimation is full of assholes who will kamikaze a company in order to destroy Vic.

I don't think anyone expected that when this started.

"Now, he may have committed TI with an existing contract once, but there's nothing that can be done because you can't demonstrate that he committed TI with an existing contract twice."

What was that?

The only thing that makes sense out of court last Friday is Chupp having some sort of psychological episode. Either his meds were off or he was overstressed because it sounds like he was all over the place according to Nick.

Otherwise, in a cruel twist of fate, Vic and Ty got the most exceptional judge to go with the most exceptional lawyers who represent the most exceptional defendants that ever entered the legal system. The way things are going the jury will be outrageously exceptional as well.

Unless God is lining up to take down a dozen birds with one stone this is going to be a hard road.