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[The Last Stand]

OH my god he kept going. @The Last Stand , you admit you don't know much about guns. I also don't know much about guns. So why do you keep making assertions that are simply not true? I mean, after being shown that you're wrong 2 or 3 times in a row, does it not occur to you that perhaps your info is wrong? Why do you keep going? If for no other reason than to stop making your side of the argument look incredibly misinformed?
I think your continued arguing worked completely against your intention, if you were trying to convince anyone of sensibility of gun control. You just affirmed that gun control lovers have no clue what they're talking about.

I'll grant you that. I never claimed to be a gun expert. I was merely sharing my assumed perspective of guns.

Whether the reaction to shootings in public areas is fabricated, it wouldn't feel morally right to understand the grief unless you've been a part of it.

If you don't have knowledge in a particular subject, it wouldn't be best to talk about it. Or at least, do research about it so you wouldn't look like an ass. I suppose I've learned a few things about gun ownership in America.

 

[breadandcircuses]

... what's the difference between Semi-automatic and single fire!?

The bolt still cycles, doesn't it?

Why would the military have a select fire where you have to rack the bolt of an M-16 every time you fire.

 

[Dynastier]

I'll grant you that. I never claimed to be a gun expert. I was merely sharing my assumed perspective of guns.

Whether the reaction to shootings in public areas is fabricated, it wouldn't feel morally right to understand the grief unless you've been a part of it.

If you don't have knowledge in a particular subject, it wouldn't be best to talk about it. Or at least, do research about it so you wouldn't look like an ass. I suppose I've learned a few things about gun ownership in America.

Not knowing things isn't a failure, but realizing that you don't know something and then continuing anyway as if you did is.
Nothing wrong with discussing things you don't fully understand, in fact you have to. But why make unsupported assertions when you know your knowledge is lacking?

I don't know what you meant about grief, seems like a non sequiter, but maybe I missed that part.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Even though I'm not a gun guy, like I said, I have some knowledge picked up from cultural osmosis and reading. For example, I know that automatic means it keeps shooting when I hold the trigger.
Semi-automatic means it shoots one time when I pull the trigger.

Oh god, I hate that to continue the gunsperging (... no ,that's a lie, I don't hate it at all), but...

Confusingly, what are commonly called "semi-automatic" handguns can also, still properly, be called "automatics". The terms are confusingly interchangeable.

In contrast, if by "automatic" you mean "the gun continues to fire as long as the trigger is held down", you may distinguish them more clearly by using the phrase "fully automatic", or often "select fire", given that the majority of them have the ability to select between semi and full auto. Although select-fire may also refer to a gun that has burst fire mode, which is usually a mid point between semi-auto and fully-auto, but occasionally (like on the M16A4) is the most the gun can do.

I don't know what less than semi-automatic is called, manual? I know old fashioned revolvers where you needed to cock the hammer manually were less than semi-automatic.

Usually referred to specifically by mechanism; lever action, bolt action, single shot breach-loading, muzzle loading, revolver, etc.

Machine gun means automatic, although it also seems to mean... big caliber? Because sub-machine guns are also fully automatic, so I don't know what makes them 'sub'.

"Machine guns" usually refers to belt-fed guns, or some other large-capacity ammunition source, firing full size, or occasionally intermediate, cartridges. They're also generally larger, often mounted or not man-portable, although some are. It's not really a term of art, just a sloppy label.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Imagine sperging out this hard over what was, at most, an "inaccurate weather forecast", and then projecting about "utterly petty motives".

I really don't get their meltdown over it. It really makes them look like the idiot they're trying to make trump out to be. I mean, there's not some actual policy that can be legitimately debated?

 

[moocow]

Portland Thorns fans boo US Armed Forces enlistees after they pledged to obey president's orders

Fans at a National Women’s Soccer League game rained down boos during a U.S. Armed Forces swearing-in ceremony Wednesday after the members were asked to pledge they would obey the orders of President Trump.

www.foxnews.com

Never go full libtard

Oh great, does this mean the pendulum is swinging back towards the "everyone has to hate soldiers!" side of the "war hero/baby killer" dichotomy?

 

[Dynastier]

Oh god, I hate that to continue the gunsperging (... no ,that's a lie, I don't hate it at all), but...

Confusingly, what are commonly called "semi-automatic" handguns can also, still properly, be called "automatics". The terms are confusingly interchangeable.

In contrast, if by "automatic" you mean "the gun continues to fire as long as the trigger is held down", you may distinguish them more clearly by using the phrase "fully automatic", or often "select fire", given that the majority of them have the ability to select between semi and full auto. Although select-fire may also refer to a gun that has burst fire mode, which is usually a mid point between semi-auto and fully-auto, but occasionally (like on the M16A4) is the most the gun can do.



Usually referred to specifically by mechanism; lever action, bolt action, single shot breach-loading, muzzle loading, revolver, etc.



"Machine guns" usually refers to belt-fed guns, or some other large-capacity ammunition source, firing full size, or occasionally intermediate, cartridges. They're also generally larger, often mounted or not man-portable, although some are. It's not really a term of art, just a sloppy label.

Hah, so looks like I should eat a little crow too. Fair enough. Apparently "Automatic" doesn't mean what I thought it did, or it can also mean semi-automatic.

I thought "select fire" was the actual for real delineation of assault rifles. Looks like cultural osmosis has failed me.

 

[Hux]

I just think we should take the argument on abortion of "If you don't have a working female reproductive system, you literally have no skin in the game so shut the fuck up" and have it be applied to gun laws with "If you don't own a firearm yourself, don't pretend that you know everything about them when you really don't and try to decide shit on the behalf of actual gun owners"

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Rian Johnson, the hack director of The Last Jedi, has a new timeless classic that bashes Trump supporters.

Redirect Notice

Great. My friend was hyping the shit out of this. Now I'm going to be looking for an excuse to bail because I know he's going to be an insufferable cunt. Dickhead with a film degree who talks about old white trumpers needing to die and is totally gonna make a movie at some point guys, for reals! Amazed he didnt kick me to the curb in 2016.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Dickhead with a film degree who talks about old white trumpers needing to die and is totally gonna make a movie at some point guys, for reals! Amazed he didnt kick me to the curb in 2016.

Hey, I know one of those too. Is yours also bald and goateed?

Seriously, "dickhead with a film degree" was my generation's "SJW with a gender studies degree".

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Hey, I know one of those too. Is yours also bald and goateed?

Seriously, "dickhead with a film degree" was my generation's "SJW with a gender studies degree".

No. This one's a happa with acne scars. I get the feeling you're not a millenial

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

No. This one's a happa with acne scars. I get the feeling you're not a millenial

As best I can find a concrete definition for the term, I just barely qualify on the far oldest side of the group, at least by some definitions. Depressingly late 30s.

 

[Freddy Freaker]

As best I can find a concrete definition for the term, I just barely qualify on the far oldest side of the group, at least by some definitions. Depressingly late 30s.

Yeah. I'm late 20s and Ive known this guy since 5th grade. He's great until he decides to get political. Seems like most of the people my age around my area are drones

 

[CheezzyMach]

I'd really love to see this "selling out of the media because I remember that decade and Bush was the new Hitler just like Trump is now. If anything, 9/11 got him a brief vacation but it didn't even last until the end of the year.

The only real difference is that the media was filled with actual adults who did their work so if they spread any lies about the president, it was dressed up and surrounded with enough truths it was harder to spot than with Trump today.

Here let's put it this way. Here's media vs republicans during Bush years (the media would be Tex).

And here's the media vs Trump.

People here have said the media was just as assblasted about Reagan too back in the day.

Which makes me wonder why does having an R next to your name inspire this much pants-shitting rage? Because the democrats are far from perfect too.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Which makes me wonder why does having an R next to your name inspire this much pants-shitting rage? Because the democrats are far from perfect too.

You know how some religious people fly into frothy-mouthed rage at the very existence of people that don't practice their exact strain of religion?

It's that. It's not even like that, it's just plain, outright, exact same that.

 

[Syaoran Li]

People here have said the media was just as assblasted about Reagan too back in the day.

Which makes me wonder why does having an R next to your name inspire this much pants-shitting rage? Because the democrats are far from perfect too.

My best guess would be the GOP's association with the Religious Right back in the day. That sort of started with Reagan, grew more obvious on the state levels during the Clinton years, and reached its nadir under Bush.

The problem is that the Bush years were catastrophic and led to Obama, who was basically a continuation of Bush's worst policies but with a condescending veneer of progressive rhetoric, and the Republicans had to change their strategy.

The Religious Right imploded during the Obama years, and despite their efforts to retake the party via the Tea Party, it all amounted to nothing. By the end of the 2012 Election, the Religious Right was done for good.

Then came the 2016 Election, which everyone was convinced would be a third term of Obama via Hillary Clinton.

The GOP tried to field the establishment Neocon candidate with Jeb Bush and the Evangelical fundie candidate with Ted Cruz, but the main voter base rejected both of them and supported Donald Trump, a literal meme candidate who was a joke in the early part of the Republican primaries.

And the Republican Party did the smart thing and actually listened to their voters...

Despite all that, a lot of people still think the Republican Party is still the party of Bible-thumping fundies that they were back in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's.

Hence all the invoking of The Handmaid's Tale and the other weird quirks of the 2010's Millennial Left.

 

[neverendingmidi]

The Religious Right imploded during the Obama years, and despite their efforts to retake the party via the Tea Party, it all amounted to nothing. By the end of the 2012 Election, the Religious Right was done for good.

I'd never say the Tea Party failed. After the passage of ACA (Obamacare) the Dems lost both the House and Senate in 2010 until they squeaked by getting the House in 2018, and still haven't recovered the Senate. 2020 House races will be interesting.

The GOP on the other hand has been trying to lose gracefully for years now as shown by their support of both Romney and ¡Yeb! Not to mention their constant NeverTrump coalition.

 

[Dynastier]

The GOP on the other hand has been trying to lose gracefully for years now as shown by their support of both Romney and ¡Yeb! Not to mention their constant NeverTrump coalition.

And, like every single other one of their plans, they fucked it up and won gracelessly in the form of Trump.

 

[Not an NSA Plant 69]

... what's the difference between Semi-automatic and single fire!?

The bolt still cycles, doesn't it?

Why would the military have a select fire where you have to rack the bolt of an M-16 every time you fire.

There is no difference, both words are accurate and can be used interchangeably, the difference is semantics and the degree of accuracy of statement. Single fire is a blanket term that requires further statement to describe the feeding action of the weapon to be used accurately, so it has a tendency to be used inaccurately. Semi-automatic is a technical term which requires no addition statements to describe the function of the weapon because it describes the feed action and the same can be said if you just use the type of feed action to describe any weapon (bolt action, lever action, pump action, break action, etc.).

Semi-automatic specifically refers to a weapon that fires one shot per pull of the trigger and automatically loads the next round after firing, wither its rounds are contained in an internal magazine/tube or detachable magazine is irrelevant. It is far easier and accurate (an preferred) to refer to firearms by their action than by single shot with the additional statement for type of feed action, ie Single shot, automatic feed vs Semi-automatic are both accurate descriptors of the same weapon but later is preferred over the former.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I'd never say the Tea Party failed. After the passage of ACA (Obamacare) the Dems lost both the House and Senate in 2010 until they squeaked by getting the House in 2018, and still haven't recovered the Senate. 2020 House races will be interesting.

The GOP on the other hand has been trying to lose gracefully for years now as shown by their support of both Romney and ¡Yeb! Not to mention their constant NeverTrump coalition.

True, but the hardliner Tea Party candidates generally lost to the more moderate and establishment Republicans, this was especially true in the 2014 Midterms.

The Tea Party played a role in the Democrats losing control of Congress, but a lot of their aims failed due to the Tea Party being tainted by fundie loons like Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry.

IIRC, the earliest iteration of the Tea Party was more in line with the libertarian and "South Park Republican" populist types and were embodied by guys like Ron Paul and Rand Paul.

In 2010, it got co-opted by the remnants of the Religious Right, leading to puritan buffoons like Bachmann becoming the face of the movement and dooming it.

Trump's 2016 campaign would be more in line with what the Tea Party was supposed to be in its earliest incarnations, before the fundies took over.

As for the "Never Trump" neocons, most of them are hated by both the party and the voter base. They're even more toxic than the Religious Right. At least the fundies can win local and state offices in the Bible Belt. The majority of the neocons are incumbent relics from an earlier time.

Most of the Never Trump guys are incumbents at risk of being primaried out of office by a populist Republican and their ranks are growing smaller and smaller, especially in the wake of John McCain's death and the odious behavior of the Democrats during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.