Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Kari Kamiya said:
Let's be real here, they were never going to get that far to do an abridgment of Super to even get to the new Broly movie. The Buu Saga was always iffy with them, and then there's GT. Even if Weeb Wars never happened and/or Toei was super cool with them, Super was always going to be low-priority.
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I think they said at one point that touching Super would get them ass reamed by Toei.
 
MCG_Raven said:
they aren't giving up on DBZA. They are specifically giving up on Bojack. Everything else is up in the air because of severe burnout.
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To be fair, they did explicitly say the problem was more that the movie offered little creativity and options for fun.

The bigger issue with tfs is that Kaiser straight up refuses to let anyone else edit the show. So when he has a breakdown or bad day, production stops entirely.
 
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Dumpster dived waifu said:
To be fair, they did explicitly say the problem was more that the movie offered little creativity and options for fun.

The bigger issue with tfs is that Kaiser straight up refuses to let anyone else edit the show. So when he has a breakdown or bad day, production stops entirely.
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which is fair criticism. Kaiser does need to loosen up but personally i think TFS did a good job over the years. Though that may be me being a massive fucking weeb
 
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quickthrowaway said:
That's fucking hilarious.

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It took less time to produce the actual anime you're riding the coattails off. I wonder if the over worked and underpayed animators whined about it being "tiring." Cry me a fucking river.
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Admittedly, they're a tiny crew of far from professional creators who have to continuously come up with jokes, however grating and overused they might be to the tune that even they know their fans repeat the fucking quotes ad nauseum, plus coming up with ways to make a barely-workable piece of footage (they don't reanimate scenes beyond adding mouth flaps or other very smal edits) has to be a bitch.
Taking over a fucking year with the last episode was just fucking inexcusable though, even if it was sixty-seven minutes and had decent music in it.
 
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That's fucking hilarious.

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It took less time to produce the actual anime you're riding the coattails off. I wonder if the over worked and underpayed animators whined about it being "tiring." Cry me a fucking river.
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One of the instructors at my college was an animator for Goku. Was never in his class (didn't go down the graphic design path), but various teachers had spotlights in the hallways and that was one of the bulletin points of his achievements. Didn't matter if he was a key animator, or an in-between animator, or one of the clean-up artists, it was still an honor to work on one of the most beloved cartoons of all time, and to be among those who helped bring the main character to life, no matter how small, was still an achievement to be proud of.

But these clowns go "Waaaah we're burned out from this one project, we wanna do other things!" instead of just keeping their traps shut and just go do those or, I dunno, start hiring other people to do the damn work for you. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified fans who would've loved to work for TFS. It's better to go quietly into the sunset than to make a big stink about it and make such damning, embarrassing statements.
 
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Y'know, I'm seeing a lot of weird parallels between TFS and RT right now in the way they're handling things and how the backlash of things has effected them. I know they don't necessarily do the same things but it's interesting to think about.

I think this is just the beginning for TFS. They need to get the fuck away from Funi unless they wanna end up digging their own grave.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
I think they said at one point that touching Super would get them ass reamed by Toei.
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They did do some snippets from Super here and there (link goes to a compilation)


I assumed this was TFS's way of saying "Okay, we did a little Super for you Now you know what it would have been like. That's all you get. Leave us alone now"
 
Dumpster dived waifu said:
To be fair, they did explicitly say the problem was more that the movie offered little creativity and options for fun.

The bigger issue with tfs is that Kaiser straight up refuses to let anyone else edit the show. So when he has a breakdown or bad day, production stops entirely.
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MCG_Raven said:
which is fair criticism. Kaiser does need to loosen up but personally i think TFS did a good job over the years. Though that may be me being a massive fucking weeb
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Chronic Perturbator said:
Admittedly, they're a tiny crew of far from professional creators who have to continuously come up with jokes, however grating and overused they might be to the tune that even they know their fans repeat the fucking quotes ad nauseum, plus coming up with ways to make a barely-workable piece of footage (they don't reanimate scenes beyond adding mouth flaps or other very smal edits) has to be a bitch.
Taking over a fucking year with the last episode was just fucking inexcusable though, even if it was sixty-seven minutes and had decent music in it.
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Kari Kamiya said:
One of the instructors at my college was an animator for Goku. Was never in his class (didn't go down the graphic design path), but various teachers had spotlights in the hallways and that was one of the bulletin points of his achievements. Didn't matter if he was a key animator, or an in-between animator, or one of the clean-up artists, it was still an honor to work on one of the most beloved cartoons of all time, and to be among those who helped bring the main character to life, no matter how small, was still an achievement to be proud of.

But these clowns go "Waaaah we're burned out from this one project, we wanna do other things!" instead of just keeping their traps shut and just go do those or, I dunno, start hiring other people to do the damn work for you. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified fans who would've loved to work for TFS. It's better to go quietly into the sunset than to make a big stink about it and make such damning, embarrassing statements.
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Is Kaiser the captain of TFS? I also feel like TFS is kind of afraid to outsource anything they do.

Also, seeing as we’re talking TFS, I’m surprised that we haven’t had anything about fair use yet.
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
One of the instructors at my college was an animator for Goku. Was never in his class (didn't go down the graphic design path), but various teachers had spotlights in the hallways and that was one of the bulletin points of his achievements. Didn't matter if he was a key animator, or an in-between animator, or one of the clean-up artists, it was still an honor to work on one of the most beloved cartoons of all time, and to be among those who helped bring the main character to life, no matter how small, was still an achievement to be proud of.

But these clowns go "Waaaah we're burned out from this one project, we wanna do other things!" instead of just keeping their traps shut and just go do those or, I dunno, start hiring other people to do the damn work for you. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified fans who would've loved to work for TFS. It's better to go quietly into the sunset than to make a big stink about it and make such damning, embarrassing statements.
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The problem is less animations and more scriptwriting. Episode 59 came out on 24th of June, 2017. Episode 60 started coming out on August 31st, 2018.
In between these two, as far as DBZA content goes, there was only a 16-minute movie that came out on 25th of December, 2017, effectively just an episode which they previously did in about a month or two. Now, the big question is, the fuck took them so long to make sixty-seven minutes of content, considering that surely they couldn't have spent the entirety of the time from ep 59 to the movie working on the movie, as it's small?
Scriptwriting, it seems, as they started recording somewhere in April: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourSt...ode_60_has_started_recording_also_no_its_not/
So it took them over four months to make the fucking script, as they, presumably, first make a script and only then get to animation and VA work.
Which was real fucking slow too. Bruva Alfabusa, a guy who does an animated, in a way, WH40K web series has a way, way faster work pattern - then again, he does thave two other editors to work with, which is probably why he, with a patreon of about 5k$, produces roughly 25-30 minutes of animation (not actual hand-drawn, check out his videos for an example) and TFS' monthly output is 10-15 minutes of edited together DBZ footage, although their Patreon is about 12k$ - and that, naturally, doesn't include whatever they sell in merch and get from ads on their gaming channel.
Random Internet Person said:
Is Kaiser the captain of TFS? I also feel like TFS is kind of afraid to outsource anything they do.

Also, seeing as we’re talking TFS, I’m surprised that we haven’t had anything about fair use yet.
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It could be that they don't have the funds to outsource much, they have a fair bit of mouths to feed and not terribly much profits, if Sabat actually does take protection money. Also, I'm not sure about what their sorta-structure is. The head three are Kaiser, Takahata and Lani, that much is certain.
 
Garm said:
I don't think Monica and Jamie are "true SJW's." I think they are petty thugs who are exploiting people's beliefs to destroy a rival.

SJW's can't be reasoned with because their ideals are fundamental to their world view.

Thugs only understand power and can understand having to bow to someone more powerful.

Has a date been set for mediation yet?
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I agree that Monica is just a petty drama queen exploiting the SJW zeitgeist for her own personal ends.

Personally, I think Marchi might actually be an SJW given her more militant takes at the beginning of the Weeb Wars and all those woke talking points randomly inserted into dubs she was involved with.

Monica will likely be the first to fold and even then, she'll hold out for as long as she possibly can and go down fighting but Sabat will likely be the "Final Boss" figure of this whole thing, and Marchi will probably fall alongside him unless we get definitive proof of the casting couch and Sabat gets taken down earlier in a perfect example of irony.

Until more concrete dirt on Sabat gets uncovered, he's gonna be the last domino to fall, with Marchi being the next to last one. Marchi's the Umlaut to Sabat's Tokentakker, the Motaro to his Shao Kahn, the Darth Vader to his Emperor Palpatine, and I think I'll stop with the pop culture analogies.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
Is Kaiser the captain of TFS? I also feel like TFS is kind of afraid to outsource anything they do.

Also, seeing as we’re talking TFS, I’m surprised that we haven’t had anything about fair use yet.
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Kaiser is the (Co-)Founder and current CEO of TFS yes. The other Co-Founder left the company a while ago
 
Random Internet Person said:
Also, seeing as we’re talking TFS, I’m surprised that we haven’t had anything about fair use yet.
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We've had pages of this discussion back in July, I believe. Was a sperg-slapfest and I don't remember who ended it and who had the more informative post. Still looking for it.

EDIT: These posts (and beyond) should do the trick for now. Went as far back as March to look for fair use discussions, the topic keeps cropping up.
 
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WhimsicalTrolli said:

YouTube

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Our favorite nigger is talking about Nickey rackets. This dude was talking shit about nick for months and yet he's mad.
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This dumb nigger was shitting on nick for months.

This guy likes talking shit about other people but when it happens to him he can't take.

Mba is a insecure black man that can't take crticsim.
 
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