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Sometimes getting people face-to-face in the presence of a neutral third party can bring out the real reasons for a conflict in a way that isn't possible outside that context. I think it's safe to say that Rial/Toye and Vic haven't communicated face to face (or even at all) since the start of the year, or possibly earlier, so they've been operating in a bit of a vacuum as far as responses go.

I've taken part in mediations in the past that, at first glance, seemed to be about irreconcilable differences between parties, on the level of wanting one another dead, over events that had taken on a huge form in the minds of everyone involved. Once they sat down to face one another, the real reason for the conflict would come out and it would be something so meaninglessly petty that even the party alleging they were wronged would sort of slow down and realise how stupid what they were saying actually was. Often it was something that the other party wasn't even aware of, let alone causing deliberately.

Rial is jealous of Vic's success. She's an ageing actress in her decline and he's been rising the entire time she's been sinking. That's her vindictive reason for trying to destroy him.

Vic had no idea this was an issue.

Now I'm not optimistic that she'll actually be able to admit that in mediation, because she's spun herself this very public narrative that Vic is a rapist paedophile predator, and that widely broadcast, highly public aspect generally isn't in play in most mediations. She'll want to save face and persist rather than admit, in that same public place, that she lied. But. But. I've seen weirder climb-downs, once everyone was sat around the table and facing just how tiny, stupid and pointless their beef really is.

So it might happen. Probably not, but might.

:optimistic: It'd be nice to be able to rate your own posts.
She cant walk this back, even if she wanted to. As of right now she is going to be lucky to have a career with Funi moving forward at all, and once sabat gets invited to the party she will probably find out how expendable she really is. Right now her only supporters are those who will throw her under the bus once they get a summons and those who think she is stunning and brave. The left eats their own the same as any "nazi" so as soon as she shows any sign of Vic not being John Wayne Gacy they will go after her more viciously than anyone else, and after the way she has treated Vic and the dragon ball fans as a whole in all of this, no one is going to olive branch her. She chose this path, and the only place this path can possibly lead at this point is dying alone, pennyless, and betrayed by her own side. Not saying I agree with that, but thems the rules when you start throwing gas everywhere and clacking flint to steel.
 
All I can really add is that if this all goes south and the case goes to appeals, then Ty better bring his SSS game and produce some of the most beautiful and awe inspiring documents witnessed by man. He should also be prepared for an appeals judge that can outchupp Chupp.
 
Found this in an old thread
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Got to love that all these VAs have a tendency to cheat on their partners, but Vic is a monster because he cheated on Michele. Don't get me wrong, I think cheating is pretty scummy, but the man doesn't deserve to be treated like a monster for it. Steve, Mary Elizabeth, and Sean are all scumbags. Vic had shown regret for his actions but still gets reprimanded... Do the other VAs get shit on for cheating? Probably not.

I always hated people who would just get engaged like a week into dating. But to get married within two months after a God damn divorce? Talk about being on the rebound... Cause if he wasn't seeing her on the side before then... that's really fucking stupid.

It's worth noting those ones likely cheated on their wives/husbands, Vic wasn't married to Michelle.


That thread has Radical_Yue telling the Tekko 07 story from Lynn.
 
Sometimes getting people face-to-face in the presence of a neutral third party can bring out the real reasons for a conflict in a way that isn't possible outside that context. I think it's safe to say that Rial/Toye and Vic haven't communicated face to face (or even at all) since the start of the year, or possibly earlier, so they've been operating in a bit of a vacuum as far as responses go.

I've taken part in mediations in the past that, at first glance, seemed to be about irreconcilable differences between parties, on the level of wanting one another dead, over events that had taken on a huge form in the minds of everyone involved. Once they sat down to face one another, the real reason for the conflict would come out and it would be something so meaninglessly petty that even the party alleging they were wronged would sort of slow down and realise how stupid what they were saying actually was. Often it was something that the other party wasn't even aware of, let alone causing deliberately.

Rial is jealous of Vic's success. She's an ageing actress in her decline and he's been rising the entire time she's been sinking. That's her vindictive reason for trying to destroy him.

Vic had no idea this was an issue.

Now I'm not optimistic that she'll actually be able to admit that in mediation, because she's spun herself this very public narrative that Vic is a rapist paedophile predator, and that widely broadcast, highly public aspect generally isn't in play in most mediations. She'll want to save face and persist rather than admit, in that same public place, that she lied. But. But. I've seen weirder climb-downs, once everyone was sat around the table and facing just how tiny, stupid and pointless their beef really is.

So it might happen. Probably not, but might.

:optimistic: It'd be nice to be able to rate your own posts.

I have done only a little bit of research on the subject of mediation so that might be where my optimism is coming in.

From the sound of it mediators need to examine the evidence and the related law to judge the strengths and weaknesses of each side.

I'm figuring in this case, the mediation will become a session of "TCPA 101" where the mediator tries to explain where Chupp went wrong.

I apologize if this is not the case in reality.
 
Chupp won't actually be there. In theory he shouldn't even know what goes on in the mediation.
But Chupp picked the mediator himself, so maybe he will...

Anything you show or bring up won't be useable outside of that mediation. They're confidential.
I wouldn't be so sure mediations are "automatically" confidential.
Isn't the confidentiality simply an usual part of the agreement?
 
I have done only a little bit of research on the subject of mediation so that might be where my optimism is coming in.

From the sound of it mediators need to examine the evidence and the related law to judge the strengths and weaknesses of each side.

I'm figuring in this case, the mediation will become a session of "TCPA 101" where the mediator tries to explain where Chupp went wrong.

I apologize if this is not the case in reality.
Thats not the case in reality, no, the Mediator is first going to try to figure out if the sides have any common ground that they can possibly come to to try to figure out if there's like, a way to de-escalate the situation from a lawsuit and try to find a way for the parties to settle the situation outside of court.

He is not going to be offering opinions on the merits of the lawsuit, that would be jackassery
 
I have done only a little bit of research on the subject of mediation so that might be where my optimism is coming in.

From the sound of it mediators need to examine the evidence and the related law to judge the strengths and weaknesses of each side.

I'm figuring in this case, the mediation will become a session of "TCPA 101" where the mediator tries to explain where Chupp went wrong.

I apologize if this is not the case in reality.

All the mediator tries to do is get both sides to settle on something or find common ground to avoid going to court. He doesn't sub as a judge. He will allow both sides to bring evidence but the evidence brought basically will be just to convince the other side and each side has heard just about everything the other side has to say.

People are saying funi might try to settle on SOMETHING to avoid anymore negative publicity due to the case. That may be true but they aren't going to offer Vic anything near 1 million dollars. IMO
 
That thread has Radical_Yue telling the Tekko 07 story from Lynn.
"Our AMV Contest Coordinator had to deal with him one year for the con and he was an uptight asshole the entire time. "
I really can't ask this question enough: Why in the HELL was a 'AMV Contest Coordinator' dealing with Vic (or ANY Guest)?!?
Even taking the whole projector bullshit at face value, #1. that should be an equipment person, NOT the "AMV Contest Coordinator" (unless that's a madeup BS title) and #2. the equipment person's role should be resolved in 10 mins max. But otherwise, this is like saying "our Cosplay Coordinator had to deal with Vic, it was a nightmare", the only reason ANY person that is not "Guest Relations" would EVER be dealing with a guest is basically because they didn't have enough to do and found trouble for themselves.
 
People are saying funi might try to settle on SOMETHING to avoid anymore negative publicity due to the case.
Funimation behavior is going to be hard to predict.
That's a company, not a single person. Their behavior during the mediation will depend on who is representing them.
Vic and Ty might face a very reasonable business person, an fully exceptionnal individual, or anything in-between...
 
Maybe sony stops beeing stupid and send in some of their People. Angry Japanese People with a briefcase full of Yen to make this go away.
I don't understand why Sony hasn't send someone yet.
Even if they're japanese, they still have an american branch which could and should handle the situation...
 
I have done only a little bit of research on the subject of mediation so that might be where my optimism is coming in.

From the sound of it mediators need to examine the evidence and the related law to judge the strengths and weaknesses of each side.

I'm figuring in this case, the mediation will become a session of "TCPA 101" where the mediator tries to explain where Chupp went wrong.

I apologize if this is not the case in reality.
What people say about mediation is the ideal. What happens in mediation is the reality. If it works, it saves everyone a lot of time and trouble. If it doesn't, things proceed in their own brutal fashion.

The thing to remember is all parties have an interest in the case being resolved, including the Judge and the Mediator. The Mediator will try hard to make the Plaintiff and Defendants feel heard during the session while reminding everyone of what's in their best interests. Sometimes that leads to a breakthrough where everyone sees the wisdom in finding an alternative to a big fight. Sometimes not.

My first experience with mediation was kind of wild. Got to the law office about 30 minutes early, found out my counsel, my opponent's counsel, the Judge and the Mediator all played golf at the same course, sometimes together. The lawyers were all friendly beforehand, talking about each other's families and telling stories. We walked into a room and it was like a switch flipped, the lawyers were at each other's throats, angrily damning each other faster than I could follow. The mediator eventually took over, asked the other side to talk, asked me to talk, let us question each other for a while, then asked each side a bunch of questions.

After a couple hours, he showed us his notepad and a list of pros and cons for each side. He explained a little bit about how the law worked and how the Judge liked to rule on certain things. He presented what he saw as a fair settlement, and it turned out he'd talked about it beforehand with both of our attorneys. He asked us some personal questions and there was a little budge on each side with what we would accept. The attorneys argued for a little bit, it sounded like we had an agreement, then the other side just stood up and left. The whole thing lasted about 3.5 hours.

I didn't really understand what we accomplished, it ended abruptly and I didn't get a debrief right away. My attorney called me a few days later to explain the other side's attorneys needed time to explain "the facts of life" to their clients. They settled about 2 months later, on the first day of trial, on the way into the courthouse. There was a brief hearing to announce the settlement, the Judge gave a short speech, then everyone left.

Never saw the mediator again. While I have no knowledge of any behind-the-scenes communications, my attorney seemed very aware of what the other side was up to right until the settlement. We didn't know they were going to make an offer but nothing about it surprised him, we were able to review the terms and accept it on the spot. The offer was slightly better than what was proposed at mediation, it was just enough for me to agree to and feel vindicated.

So my impression of mediators is they are a little like middle-men. What happens at mediation doesn't always end at mediation. They are just there to try and end the hostilities and it plays out as it will.
 
"Our AMV Contest Coordinator had to deal with him one year for the con and he was an uptight asshole the entire time. "
I really can't ask this question enough: Why in the HELL was a 'AMV Contest Coordinator' dealing with Vic (or ANY Guest)‽?

What if Vic was judging the AMVs?
 
What if Vic was judging the AMVs?
Makes sense but if the information is coming from KickVic you can expect something like this
AMV Contest Coordinator : Hello Mr. Mignogna
Vic : *Doesn't reply because he didn't heard it*
AMV Contest Coordinator : OMG, what an asshole !
I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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