Am I the only person who does not think black holes are real? - How can they be real?

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Yeah I know, if you don't believe it then you are a "flat earther." A flat earther is someone who does not believe the world is round and is prehistoric. Black holes have the ultimate explanation. I mean a bit contradicting. Light has the ultimate escape velocity. Nothing can act on its speed. Nothing can speed it up or slow it down. According to Einstein himself said time itself changes if light leaves one moving object to allow light to stay the same speed. If a man is running with a flashlight the light never leaves the direction the person is running at the speed he is running + the speed of light. Time itself slows down for moving people or objects to accomodate this.

It gets deeper. The rules of spacetime dictate light can be pulled inside a black hole faster then the speed of light because space + time are being pulled inside the immense gravity once light passes the event horizon towards the singularity. Crazy stuff, if you were sucked inside a black hole at the event horizon an outside observer would observe you falling inside that black hole almost forever as you would move so fast you would seem almost "frozen in time."

It gets crazier. I am like "why would a star so large with so much gravity not already pull in its own light if gravity works that way?" inside my head. According to some, when the star runs out of energy its own gravity cannot contain its explosion then it implodes and the density of such gravity with no outward force from the energy of fusion pushing against gravity creates an ultimate point of density with gravity so strong it sucks in space and time.

Still others say density does not effect gravity what so ever only mass does and if mass does not change gravity does change. Also if I am like "if a star goes supernova and explodes how can it redensify itself because those things blow like all over space?"

Regardless of all these contradictions and no proof that time slows down to accomodate the speed of light or that such a thing as space time exist and enough gravity created by enough density can totally eat the fabric of space time scientists are so sure this is real they are calling it "no longer theory but confirmed science."

Now I do not mean to be "that guy" who is all denying the earth is round when it is flat but does anyone besides me think this is all bullshit? Yes we know there are stars with so much mass and gravity probably in the center of the star the earths entire mass could be crushed into the size of a basketball or a marble. Yes we know there are dark spots in space emitting tons of radiation. Yes we know that we now have telescopes so advanced they can take a composite image of what looks like a fire tornado deep into space approx millions of light years from earth.

Still, does anyone else think this whole black theory bullshit is just that? A bunch of bullshit made up by people to throw away all conventional science and any sense of practicality in order for certain book writers to sell tons of books and make tons of money? Does anyone think so? Lol I just don't believe any of this crap.

Buddhists have said mind and matter are two sides of the same coin, an ever changing impermanent reality. To them time itself is like an energy never created or destroyed, a perception of the same time created by ever changing moments simply transferred from one moment to the next.

As Isaac Newton said "what goes up must come down." Just like the black hole theory, eventually it will drop back down to earth and shatter into pieces of reason and practicality.
 
It sounds more like you don't understand the speed of light. The speed of light isn't an actual thing for light or photons themselves, it's just the top speed massless particles can move at and the most common ones are photons.
Also things like gravity, water, air pressure etc slow down light. Black holes don't have gravity "faster" than the speed of light, it's just that the gravity well is so strong that it slows light to of stopping and being pulled in, like a yo-yo.
Light moves way slower on Earth than it does in space, in a vacuum. I don't know where you heard that light can't be sped up or slowed but that's wrong.
Notice how black holes steal time and matter out of the universe when white holes return them
13% of the universe's gravitons commit 50% of all black holes.
 
You need to get a fuckin' astrophysics book and read it, because you're talkin' like a fuckin' retard.

Here's a picture of the shadow of a black hole:

800px-Black_hole_-_Messier_87_crop_max_res.jpg
 
TBH does it matter if it really exist or not?
They do not affect our everyday life(not in a physics way, but you got what i mean), they are so far away, you can't see them, and no matter if you believe in it or not - your life won't change because of your beliefs.
You see physics as something material, something you can see and experience, and you can find it in physic books for engeneers, i.e. practical physics. Theoretical physics are concepts in air and minds, many of those can be experiensed by us only in simulations or imagination. This science is far away from practicality, at least at this point of time.
Many of a known physic things you will never see, but you can view effects of those things.
You can't see\feel\touch\smell a magnetic field. Does it mean it is bullshit? No, without effects of magnetic fields many machines wouldnt work.
 
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Love me a nice black hole or two, it's the "Einstein himself" thing that seem suspicious. Just programming the image of some jewish guy as not only a genius, but the genius and the smartest man to ever live, and his theory is the smartest thing ever, and this theory will forever be the smartest theory. Same shit with Stephen Hawking, vulgar promotion of a nigga who should have been left out in the bushes outside the village as a baby. 🤮
 
It sounds more like you don't understand the speed of light. The speed of light isn't an actual thing for light or photons themselves, it's just the top speed massless particles can move at and the most common ones are photons.
Also things like gravity, water, air pressure etc slow down light. Black holes don't have gravity "faster" than the speed of light, it's just that the gravity well is so strong that it slows light to of stopping and being pulled in, like a yo-yo.
Light moves way slower on Earth than it does in space, in a vacuum. I don't know where you heard that light can't be sped up or slowed but that's wrong.

13% of the universe's gravitons commit 50% of all black holes.

So if the speed of light is simply the top speed of massless particles why does time have to change for light coming from a moving object to accomodate the difference in light coming from a direction in motion and light from a still source? Or have you not read the Theory of Relativity?

Also who said that the speed of light is a constant? Never slowed down or sped up? Well only Einstein said it. He also included in relativity that time is relative an observer going faster will see speed up around him as he slows down.

Finally? Light slows down in air liquid or mass? No, it is reflected or stopped completely. I don't I am the one who needs to do the rereading.

Who said it was "no longer theory but confirmed science"? That doesn't sound like something a scientist would say lol.

Many people are saying black holes are confirmed. No longer theory. I repeat many people are saying black holes are confirmed. No longer theory. Confirmed. Why?

You need to get a fuckin' astrophysics book and read it, because you're talkin' like a fuckin' exceptional individual.

Here's a picture of the shadow of a black hole:

800px-Black_hole_-_Messier_87_crop_max_res.jpg

This is why? Because of this photo. To me it does not even look dark in the middle. Also its not a very clear photo. Also it is pretty deep in space. This is according to many people a photo that confirms black holes existence.

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I'm pretty sure that the anus of Trent is a black hole.

Well of course this may be the one exception. His anus takes in cocks infinitely bending space and time.
 
TBH does it matter if it really exist or not?
They do not affect our everyday life(not in a physics way, but you got what i mean), they are so far away, you can't see them, and no matter if you believe in it or not - your life won't change because of your beliefs.
You see physics as something material, something you can see and experience, and you can find it in physic books for engeneers, i.e. practical physics. Theoretical physics are concepts in air and minds, many of those can be experiensed by us only in simulations or imagination. This science is far away from practicality, at least at this point of time.
Many of a known physic things you will never see, but you can view effects of those things.
You can't see\feel\touch\smell a magnetic field. Does it mean it is bullshit? No, without effects of magnetic fields many machines wouldnt work.

Magnetic fields have been tested numerous numerous times with hypothesis and variables then finally becoming confirmed fact. To me much more definite then something never experienced through scientific tests even once but widely believed. However, hell yes you are correct and hell no it probably never will make a difference in my life whatsoever.

Yes, yes it fucking does.

That was a terrible thing to ask.

This statement from the article:

"This black hole isn’t like the black holes out in space, where gravity creates a region of spacetime so warped that light can’t escape. Instead, the researchers built a black hole analog using a strange quantum material called a Bose-Einstein condensate, in which the point of no return is for sound rather than light. Still, it’s an important verification Hawking’s work."

Kind of makes me doubt their research and findings. Not like the black holes in space consuming space time? A totally different black hole created by experiments in a lab? So radiation detected in a laboratory is like not the same kind of radiation in space emitted by the sun? Oh wait it is the exact same kind. X rays and decaying molecules. E=mc2 split the atom and release energy. Fuse the atom and create new elements like in the sun. How all particles beyond hydrogen exist. Well confirmed through millions and millions of results. Black hole in a laboratory? It existed for a billionth of a second? Doubt it.

Well we are at it and we have cracked the gravity needed to create the energy needed to suck in space time and create worm holes then soon scientists should have the formula needed to understand the necessary space-time bending formula needed to create an artifical wormhole to go back in time. Soon we will have a time machine.















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"Theory" is the highest level of confirmation in science. This is why I'm saying it doesn't make sense for a scientist to claim it's "no longer theory".

Scientific law is the highest level of confirmation in science


Theory is a widely misused term. Theory is definitely beyond hypothesis, but is not necessarily law. For example "The Theory of Relativity"
 
Yes, yes it fucking does.

That was a terrible thing to ask.
I've meant matter of knowing of its existence in everyday life. Your life won't change from knowing about existance of deep space things. You may have a new fancy theme to talk, but as long as you are not an astrologyst or nasa scientist, black holes doesn't mean anything to you and your life.
Even if a black hole will apper near our system and will consume our planet, i don't think you'll have a time to think about it.
 
So if the speed of light is simply the top speed of massless particles why does time have to change for light coming from a moving object to accomodate the difference in light coming from a direction in motion and light from a still source? Or have you not read the Theory of Relativity?
What do you mean why does time have to change? Nothing happens without a change in time.

Are you asking why something closer moving at the same speed as something farther reaches me sooner?
 
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