US President Donald J. Trump Impeachment Megathread - Democrats commit mass political suicide

On September 24th, 2019, Nanci Pelosi did what everyone expected was some exceptional political posturing -- initiating a formal impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

The initial "charge," such as it was, was "betraying his oath of office and the nation's security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain." This, amusingly, was after it was discovered and widely reported on that the DNC had contacted the very same foreign power to attempt to tarnish Trump.

Specifically, this was all based on a rumor that Trump had asked the Ukraine to investigate how a prosecutor investigating Joe Biden's son for corruption had gotten fired, and withheld foreign aid until they had agreed. (He did ask the leader of the Ukraine to investigate what happened with the prosecutor, but did not hold up any foreign aid nor threaten anything of the like.)

Around this time, Trump did something they could not, and still cannot, understand: He publicly turned over all the documents. The transcript of the phone call they claimed showed him committing the crime of blackmailing the Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden for him was released, showing that Trump did nothing wrong. The only reaction the radical left had was arguing over the definition of "transcript" and spouting off a conspiracy theory about official state documents being edited.

At the same time, old video evidence of Joe Biden publicly bragging about blackmailing the Ukraine into NOT investigating his son came to light. Yes, this is exactly what they're accusing Trump of doing. The left is nothing if not subtle. Right after this, evidence came to light that Pelosi, Kerry, and Romney's kids had similar fake jobs in the Ukraine, getting paid ungodly amounts of money and embezzling US foreign aid to the Ukraine -- all things that Trump's Attorney General has openly discussed investigating.

By releasing the transcripts, the DNC was tripped up. Instead of being able to leak information from their secret investigation until November 2020, they were forced to play their hand publicly.

And they had no hand to play. The impeachment accusations came from second and third hand sources -- watercooler talk from Unelected Deep State Analysts with Trump Derangement Syndrome, outraged that President Trump refused to obey them when they felt they had a better idea as to how to run Foreign Affairs. Other allegations included that supposedly, the telepathic DNC members working in the state department knew what Trump was thinking (despite him literally saying the exact opposite) or could tell that Trump would do something even worse -- maybe something actually illegal -- in the future, and boy howdy, the imaginary Trump in their minds was a right bastard.

(As an aside, the name of the whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella, has been censored across pretty much all social media, a test run of whatever censorship they're going to enact in the next few months to try and swing the election.)

At the same time, the DNC performed significant amounts of partisan political fuckery to do this all publicly, but unofficially -- preventing the GOP from bringing forth witnesses or questioning the DNC's witnesses, or even reading the double plus secret evidence the DNC supposedly had. Those GOP that did get access to the evidence have confirmed it's a 3 pound 5 ounce nothingburger.

The charges have since mutated, with them initially being changed to "bribery" -- as "bribery" focus groups easier and is easier to spew out on Twitter.

On December 18th, 2019, along party lines and with bipartisan opposition, they finally drafted their articles of impeachment -- first for "Abuse of Power" and second for "Obstruction of Congress." Neither are actually crimes nor are they impeachable offenses, even if they were true -- which the DNC has provided no evidence of, explaining that it's the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

Narrator: It is not the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

The "Obstruction of Congress" charge is particularly egregious, as they are claiming that Trump, by reaching out to the courts to act as mediators in his dispute over the rules with Pelosi, was obstructing her. In other words, Pelosi's stance is that the President must obey her, even if she's being a batshit insane drunk. Many legal scholars, including Alan Dershowitz, have pointed out that this is absolute bullshit.

The latest development as of this writing on December 21th, 2019, is that Pelosi is demanding that the GOP recuse itself, allowing the DNC to reshape the Senate in order to make the process "fair" -- by creating a Kangaroo court. The GOP is refusing outright, as the Senate's role during this is very specifically to take the charges and all the evidence gathered from the house -- which is none -- and vote yes or no on impeachment. They need 2/3rd majority to vote yes, and the DNC does not have the votes.

Pelosi is refusing to send over the articles of impeachment until the GOP allows her to stack the Senate against Trump, an act that Dershowitz as well as Noah Feldman, the DNC's own star legal expert witness, has said is unconstitutional and "a problem," as Trump isn't impeached until the articles have been filed. Meanwhile, the DNC has put the House on vacation until the new year, while the Senate is exploring options including forcing the articles over without Pelosi's ok. Trump and the Senate have both went to the SCOTUS to ask them if any of this is constitutional.

tl;dr: Trump may have found where the Swamp was embezzling US Foreign Aid. Many politician's children working fake jobs for huge amounts of money in the Ukraine, blatantly selling influence. This caused the DNC to freak out and try and headshot Trump. They missed. The Democrats appear to have committed political suicide, making Trump a Martyr and only realizing in the aftermath that they didn't actually get rid of him or even weaken him in any way. They also appear to realize they fucked up and are trying to slow walk it back, keeping the "he's impeached!" victory while not actually having to let anyone read the evidence or have a trial on it.


@Yotsubaaa did a great writeup here with links to various winner posts: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/nancy...kraine-phone-call.61583/page-135#post-5606264

And @Yotsubaaa did a new version very late on the 21st of December: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/presi...chment-megathread.61583/page-260#post-5754920

Which are too big to quote here.



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WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced on Tuesday that the House would initiate a formal impeachment inquiry against President Trump, charging him with betraying his oath of office and the nation’s security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain.

Ms. Pelosi’s declaration, after months of reticence by Democrats who had feared the political consequences of impeaching a president many of them long ago concluded was unfit for office, was a stunning turn that set the stage for a history-making and exceedingly bitter confrontation between the Democrat-led House and a defiant president who has thumbed his nose at institutional norms.

“The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the Constitution,” Ms. Pelosi said in a brief speech invoking the nation’s founding principles. Mr. Trump, she added, “must be held accountable — no one is above the law.”

She said the president’s conduct revealed his “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity of our elections.”

Ms. Pelosi’s decision to push forward with the most severe action that Congress can take against a sitting president could usher in a remarkable new chapter in American life, touching off a constitutional and political showdown with the potential to cleave an already divided nation, reshape Mr. Trump’s presidency and the country’s politics, and carry heavy risks both for him and for the Democrats who have decided to weigh his removal.

Though the outcome is uncertain, it also raised the possibility that Mr. Trump could become only the fourth president in American history to face impeachment. Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both impeached but later acquitted by the Senate. President Richard M. Nixon resigned in the face of a looming House impeachment vote.

It was the first salvo in an escalating, high-stakes standoff between Ms. Pelosi, now fully engaged in an effort to build the most damning possible case against the president, and Mr. Trump, who angrily denounced Democrats’ impeachment inquiry even as he worked feverishly in private to head off the risk to his presidency.

Mr. Trump, who for months has dared Democrats to impeach him, issued a defiant response on Twitter while in New York for several days of international diplomacy at the United Nations, with a series of fuming posts that culminated with a simple phrase: “PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!” Meanwhile, his re-election campaign and House Republican leaders launched a vociferous defense, accusing Democrats of a partisan rush to judgment.

“Such an important day at the United Nations, so much work and so much success, and the Democrats purposely had to ruin and demean it with more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage,” Mr. Trump wrote. “So bad for our Country! For the past two years, talk of impeachment had centered around the findings of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who investigated Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections and Mr. Trump’s attempts to derail that inquiry. On Tuesday, Ms. Pelosi, Democrat of California, told her caucus and then the country that new revelations about Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, and his administration’s stonewalling of Congress about them, had finally left the House no choice but to proceed toward a rarely used remedy.

“Right now, we have to strike while the iron is hot,” she told House Democrats in a closed-door meeting in the basement of the Capitol. Emerging moments later to address a phalanx of news cameras, Ms. Pelosi, speaking sometimes haltingly as she delivered a speech from a teleprompter, invoked the Constitution and the nation’s founders as she declared, “The times have found us” and outlined a new stage of investigating Mr. Trump.

At issue are allegations that Mr. Trump pressured the president of Ukraine to open a corruption investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a leading contender for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, and his son. The conversation is said to be part of a whistle-blower complaint that the Trump administration has withheld from Congress. And it occurred just a few days after Mr. Trump had ordered his staff to freeze more than $391 million in aid to Ukraine.

Mr. Trump has confirmed aspects of his conversation with the Ukrainian leader in recent days, but he continues to insist he acted appropriately.

The president said on Tuesday that he would authorize the release of a transcript of the conversation, part of an effort to pre-empt Democrats’ impeachment push. But Democrats, after months of holding back, were unbowed, demanding the full whistle-blower complaint and other documentation about White House dealings with Ukraine, even as they pushed toward an expansive impeachment inquiry that could encompass unrelated charges.

President Trump’s personal lawyer. The prosecutor general of Ukraine. Joe Biden’s son. These are just some of the names mentioned in the whistle-blower’s complaint. What were their roles? We break it down.

Ms. Pelosi told fellow Democrats that Mr. Trump told her in a private call on Tuesday morning that he was not responsible for withholding the whistle-blower complaint from Congress. But late Tuesday, the White House and intelligence officials were working on a deal to allow the whistle-blower to speak to Congress and potentially even share a redacted version of the complaint in the coming days, after the whistle-blower expressed interest in talking to lawmakers.

Although Ms. Pelosi’s announcement was a crucial turning point, it left many unanswered questions about exactly when and how Democrats planned to push forward on impeachment.
 
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Feckin' Hell, I just watched his complete opening. It was just completely telling a story. Not a damned thing he said was in the transcript. Not a fucking thing. And nobody called him on it.

> be a politician or corporation

> do research into peoples' news digestion habits

> notice an overwhelming majority of them don't read past the headline

> notice most partisans won't accept headlines that contradict their beliefs

> notice centrists can be swayed by misleading headlines

> plan.txt

> craft misleading headlines, knowing the substance of the linked media (which nobody will consume) can protect you from legal backlash

> publish false stories for their impact, then "retract" or update them later when nobody notices

> use social media to create the false impression of consensus, and collude with MSM to do the same

> energize your base, mislead centrists, and demoralize your enemies


Begun, the internet theater of the Info Wars, have.
 
Who in their right fucking mind in Ukraine would attempt to cause a rift between their president and Donald Trump. Whoever Serhiy Leshchenko is, maybe they need to take him for a helicopter ride because I think I found the Russian stooge.
Figured it out while reading the whistle blower report. Serhiy Leshchenko is claiming that Trump made it clear that he was trying to extort the Ukrainians because...

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Serhiy Leshchenko might be on the hook for election interference in 2016. OH!
 
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I'm rapidly starting to suspect that Schiff himself was personally involved in drafting or editing this "whistleblower" complaint. The letter from the "whistleblower" was dated August 12th, but it wasn't until early September that Schiff was made aware of the report due to the IC IG informing him of the complaint. Why was he aware of the contents of the complaint on August 28th, which was more than a week before the IC IG even informed him of its existence?
 
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I'm rapidly starting to suspect that Schiff himself was personally involved in drafting or editing this "whistleblower" complaint. The letter from the "whistleblower" was dated August 12th, but it wasn't until early September that Schiff was made aware of the report due to the IC IG informing him of the complaint. Why was he aware of the contents of the complaint on August 28th, which was more than a week before the IC IG even informed him of its existence?
So if Schiff was behind it all then what was his endgame?
Was he hoping Trump wouldn't call the bluff? Which would make him unbelievably :optimistic: by the way. Or did he think that this would be foolproof and Trump wouldn't have any defense?
Like all big brained Democrat schemes he clearly didn't think it through in the slightest but that's not news to anyone.
Honestly this might just be the Kavanaugh moment of 2019/2020.
 
After finishing the whistle blower document I am beginning to see a situation in which the US President is wary of the new Ukrainian regime because their nation has a history of hostile actors and dickheads. Compounded with the fact that the entire American news media is against him and hangers on from the previous administration (like the ambassador) are against him, I think it is very plausible and justifiable that Trump was feeling paranoid. Everyone around him needed to be vetted because too many people were waiting in the shadows to plunge a dagger into his back for political reasons.

And this applies doubly so to the new Ukrainian regime because who the fuck knows if the guy is on the level or not. Russiagate is just winding down and now we've got Russians and Ukrainians crawling around all over the place vying for power in the new order.

Of course Trump is going to sit back and wait to see how it plays out. If he works with the Ukrainians and they turn out to be Russian stooges once again, the US media would rip him a new asshole. It was smart business, not underhanded dealing. We don't know who these people are, we don't know what their motives are, so maybe we shouldn't line their pockets with our treasure and supersonic missile systems until we know what the fuck is going on over there.
 
I'm rapidly starting to suspect that Schiff himself was personally involved in drafting or editing this "whistleblower" complaint.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. He's a mealy-mouthed ferret-face little fucker and all his horseshit over the Mueller report and Russian collusion hurt his precious wittle feewings when revealed to be an absolute nothingburger. Expect more of the same with this current Schiff vendetta.
 
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I'm rapidly starting to suspect that Schiff himself was personally involved in drafting or editing this "whistleblower" complaint. The letter from the "whistleblower" was dated August 12th, but it wasn't until early September that Schiff was made aware of the report due to the IC IG informing him of the complaint. Why was he aware of the contents of the complaint on August 28th, which was more than a week before the IC IG even informed him of its existence?

That’s been pretty apparent for about 2 years now. That Schiff is not simply the Dem frontman in Congress against Trump, but that he has been actively fabricating the bullshit and colluding with media and government officials to give it a veneer of credibility. But it’s more and more obvious that Schiff is into the Inteligence abuses up to his armpits.
 
So some stuff.

CNN is blatantly doctoring the transcript to push the DNC's narrative. Several other legacy media outlets are doing the same.

Mitt Romney has an advisor who is on the Burisma board.

Here's the video of Schiff making shit up out of thin air.

Republicans find their spine, turn on Schiff, point out he was fabricating his quotes.

Schiff had to apologize for making shit up. Claims he was "parodying" the president.

Holy. Christ.

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ABC was caught faking a story.

This story, specifically: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukr...ition-trump-zelenskiy-phone/story?id=65863043
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Apparently there's a very real possibility that Schiff literally was involved in the whistleblower story. As in, it's looking like Schiff literally sent the whistleblower to his own office with the rumors that he himself might have given the whistleblower to complain about. Apparently a lot of people involved in the Steele Dossier nonsense, Fusion GPS et all, are involved in this.
 
Oh, also, the Dems sent a letter to the prosecutor in the Ukraine last year, asking for help getting dirt on Trump.

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Why do they always project? Are they stupid enough not to realize we'll find out?
 
This is gonna blow up in the Dems faces isn’t it? How the fuck is the Democratic Party still a viable party?

Inertia. Both the DNC and GOP work together to ensure there is no viable other option. It's best for both of them. In California (...? It was mentioned on a Jello Biafra spoken world album, forget the specifics), when the green party started making some real headway Hillary and Gore literally showed up to campaign for the GOP to prevent that from happening.

As bad as the DNC gets, there's simply no ability for a 2nd left leaning party to win. IF the left fractures, the right wins and the left is destroyed until the remnants get with the program. If the right fractures, same thing.

The Justice Democrats (read: Radical Socialist performing Marxist entryism on the DNC) know this as well, and they're hoping to drive the DNC far far to the left, into open Socialism, under the guise that the Left, including the moderate base, would rather support AOC than lose to a Republican -- any Republican.

From my own particular bubble -- and thanks to social media, yes, we're all in bubbles -- it looks like Trump is steamrolling these idiots and they just stepped on a landmine. Pelosi probably wants Schif and AOC's heads on a fucking platter now. They've lost control of the narrative, they've outed themselves (again) as hyperpartisan cranks, and they just made moves that even 70% of democrats disagree with -- the moderates that decide elections fucking HATE it.

But every time I start thinking that it's looking really bad for the DNC, I remember that up until an hour or so before he won in a landslide, the entire left thought Hilary had a 98% chance of beating Trump. I hope the right doesn't forget that the radical left's tech wing and cancel culture wing has spent the past 3 years cutting anyone influential on the right off of any major ability to reach out to moderates, and was caught using AI to literally manipulate elections, a technique they've had 3 years -- the equivalent of a lifetime in tech -- to perfect.
 
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ABC was caught faking a story.

This story, specifically: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukr...ition-trump-zelenskiy-phone/story?id=65863043
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Apparently there's a very real possibility that Schiff literally was involved in the whistleblower story. As in, it's looking like Schiff literally sent the whistleblower to his own office with the rumors that he himself might have given the whistleblower to complain about. Apparently a lot of people involved in the Steele Dossier nonsense, Fusion GPS et all, are involved in this.
In Politics, the truth is less important than what people see.

There will be many stories like this over the next few months. A bold assertion in a headline, a story that is objectively untrue, and a correction a day later.

The Ukrainian political aide had been left go months before the phone call and did not participate. While he might have heard rumors, he has no firsthand knowledge. Ukrainian politics is very different from that of the US, their media is heavily rat-fucked by the Russians. It's not uncommon for a politician to lie to advance politically.

The story was repeated in Axios.


There was also a story about a Romney advisor who sat on the Board of Directors for the company that paid Biden all that money


One of these stories will be remembered, one of them will be overlooked. A series of these articles will be published, leading to a single, inescapable conclusion. Guess what that will be?

At the end of the day, media does not care about truth, they care about the story. They have an incentive for Trump to be impeached because that will generate more headlines, more clicks, and more ad revenue. Trump and Conservatives are so hated by the media, I can't see how they don't make him suffer.
 
Can Schiff be impeached/prosecuted/fined/whatever for anything he's done so far? I'm not asking if it's likely, because I know it's not, but CAN he?
 
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Let's not forget this article from 10 days ago, detailing how Biden threatened multiple countries over Edward Snowden.


They are accusing Trump of things they do all the time. I guess the difference has to do with election interference, but come on.

EDIT: then there's the accusations the House Intel Committee wrote the complaint themselves.

I read it this morning and this does seem like something a team of lawyers wrote.

 
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Gee I wonder if the Democrats are backpedalling or not
Wow, that was quick.

I've often wondered if FB and Twitter don't just provide a handy dashboard to their DNC friends to let them quietly "turn off" any trends they don't like or find embarrassing. They must get such requests so frequently that at this point it's got to be cheaper to just hand them the CensorPanelPro 4000(tm) directly rather than having a team of employees fielding those requests and acting on them.
 
So some stuff.

CNN is blatantly doctoring the transcript to push the DNC's narrative. Several other legacy media outlets are doing the same.

Mitt Romney has an advisor who is on the Burisma board.

Here's the video of Schiff making shit up out of thin air.

Republicans find their spine, turn on Schiff, point out he was fabricating his quotes.

Schiff had to apologize for making shit up. Claims he was "parodying" the president.

Holy. Christ.
As much as I like to make fun of this party and their allies, I find it equally terrifying that these people want power.
 
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