Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I'm not teasing, I just don't know where to start. There's so much stuff to shit on and so little time. Seriously, where should I start?!
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Rogue Lucasfilm employees, and the upper management/director bullshit. Infighting is more interesting to me. Then stuff about the park, and then how Disney is fucking up their lore again.
 
Rogue Lucasfilm employees, and the upper management/director bullshit. Infighting is more interesting to me. Then stuff about the park, and then how Disney is fucking up their lore again.
A rogue former Lucasfilm employee went to Reddit and spilled the beans about the internal politics.
The post is now deleted but its thankfully been archived.
My experience at Lucasfilm
Hey guys. I don’t want to post this in Leaks because of clear bias and posting it here could go one way or the other but you guys at least seem more open minded than most. So I hope you don’t mind.
I was employed by Lucasfilm a few years ago just before TFA. Due to my position, I can’t tell you what exactly I did but I can say I was privy to some information that most on set and like half at the studio wouldn’t be privy to. I never got to read the script or see any cuts before any of the films came out and I wouldn’t want to confirm or deny any leaks anyway due to the fact that I only got to witness a handful of full scenes and it would be easy to narrow down who worked on what. I was sent to England only on a sporadic basis to oversee what I was overseeing. This wording is already giving me a headache.
What I want to focus on is the corporate structure.
Lucasfilm under Disney: Disney originally gave them a lot of freedom. I know that when Harrison broke his leg and JJ broke his back, they took a 2 month long break during which people at LFL looked over the dailies and found the direction JJ wanted to go into a bit too dark, esoteric and eccentric. The scenes that had yet to be filmed were too costly and one of them (a large plot point) would’ve revisited a certain planet from the PT. LFL did not like the idea of them pulling anything from the PT in their first film and they wanted it to resemble the OT more than the PT. This caused some tension between JJ and the powers that be at LFL but he didn’t have as much power back then and so he obliged. Something I later learned he regretted deeply.
Iger liked TFA enough but he could see JJ’s POV and grievances. Regardless, this made JJ distance himself from the whole thing after TFA and he was an exec producer on TLJ only in name and on paper. As far as I know, Iger and him remained good friends though.
Kathleen is an extremely talented producer but an extremely bad choice for Star Wars. I don’t hate her. I don’t even know her. I only met her in passing so I can’t speak on her attitude. But I know she clashed creatively with just about everyone. Iger trusted that SW was in good hands and he did not step in and get involved until much later. Somewhat more involved after the TLJ backlash and then very involved after Solo to the point where he is really the pilot now in terms of major decisions. This all started when he somehow and for some reason convinced JJ to come back to finish the story; to tell the story his way, however esoteric it might be. 

I don’t know the following for a fact and can only go by production whispers but this didn’t sit well with the powers that be at LFL. I do know that this deal was done behind their back and came as a bit of a shock to them as Kathy had someone else in mind. I think she had no problems with Colin doing IX and I think letting him go was all Iger’s decision alone.
Rian: I worked with him on TLJ. I can’t say anything other than it wasn’t a pleasant experience for me. I know some people were fine with him. But I don’t know anyone who praised him for being a good sport on set. I personally found it hard to communicate with him because no matter what anyone said, in the end he had final say even if it was a bad decision. Kind of like a Jedi mind trick. “I really think that technically speaking, this will not work well” and he’d say “You really think that this WILL work well? GREAT!” as a bad joke that I guess I never “got”. 

Rian and Kathy are VERY good friends so what Rian wanted, Rian got. Despite the PR angle they’re going for (understandably), Rian and JJ are not friends and JJ did have a general outline for the trilogy prior to the accident changes during TFA’s production break. This caused a rift and JJ really did not want to come back for IX so how Iger convinced him (aside from money), well, your guess is as good as anyone’s.
JJ: I’m an older dude and got a fair amount of film experience under my belt. He’s by far the best person I have ever worked with. He’s kind and open to feedback. Not just in passing. If you have something to say he’ll go “Wait, let’s sit down. Tell me” and he’ll actively listen, nod, write down notes. It’s not that he’d follow through on every suggestion but he did on plenty. If he has an ego, I didn’t see it. 

More importantly, he cares about this franchise more than anyone at Lucasfilm hands down. Yes, I said anyone. The story group included. They care in a “my head canon is the real canon” kind of way and if you disagree, you’re not a real fan. Think: the REAL gatekeepers of the SW universe.
This, in my humble opinion, is what holds the franchise back. Their position got to their head too much and they resent JJ for having his own ideas and wanting to branch out. 

I think the saddest thing to me was seeing JJ work so hard on IX in a panicked and desperate-to-fix-it-and-tell-his-story kind of way. You can tell he cares. You could also sense a touch a hopelessness as he’s trying to figure out how to navigate it in a way that doesn’t offend the previous director even though he clearly wasn’t pleased with what TLJ gave us. 

Now, I don’t know his relationship with Mark to a deep degree but I did see them getting along way more than he did with Rian (though, storywise, it was too late to fix Luke in a way that would be entirely satisfying to Mark due to what happened in TLJ). For what it’s worth, Mark showed up at JJ’s Bad Robot for various events and even got honored with Bad Robot’s own Oscar Wilde award a year and a half ago. Take that as you will but Mark’s relationship with JJ seems far better and healthier than Mark’s relationship with Rian.
Reason for reshoots: JJ wanted a certain part of the story told that initially wasn’t approved. When they screened the second cut, JJ made a point that he felt that that scene was still crucial to the story he wants to tell. So eventually they did approve it and he got his way. It was costly despite the short shooting schedule. I don’t know what all these reshoot rumors are saying, but the reshoots finished a couple of months ago and apart from basic additional photography, nothing else was added. Doing those reshoots though caused some trouble in editing, VFX and scoring so there’s a time delay due to all this. They’re almost done but it did set the schedule back a bit. I can’t fault him for this though because if that’s for the benefit of the story, then so be it. I know that some of my friends in post are working overtime. So much so that some of them cancelled their vacations.
For what it’s worth, this is the first SW film I am involved with that I do believe in. I haven’t seen it and I can’t say I know the full story or summary of the film. But from what I have seen, well, it made me feel like a kid again. JJ’s idea to bring Palpatine back is something that circles all the way back to Lucas which is why Lucas was more involved with IX than any of the previous Disney SW films. JJ felt that there needed to be an all encompassing thread that ties all the saga films together and characters like Palpatine and Anakin are key to this (more or less).
Lucas never blamed JJ for TFA. I don’t know this for a fact but I know some who claim they do. They’ve been in touch the whole time and I think Lucas’ disappointment really leads back to the source of LFL: Kathleen. Some believe that Kathleen was put in the position of president because Spielberg convinced Lucas to recommend her which also may have caused a pickle.
All that said, I can’t claim I know all that much. Some of this came from my own observations and some of it came from friends. I’m moving on to better things and the only positive memories about this experience came from the random friends I have made as well as working with JJ. I know LFL is pushing the “Rian can’t do wrong” narrative but know that a lot of us do not feel the same way.
I can give you some proof but since I don’t want this to trace back to me, I can’t share anything other than this. I’m sorry for being over the top with the marker but yes, I’m even afraid that the color of my clothes would expose me. Also sorry for using a throwaway.
I’m a bit busy tonight but I’ll try to respond as much as I can.
No idea about Colin because I never met him. I just know that Kathleen would’ve preferred him to JJ. Or not “know” per se but that’s what I heard from a friend who’s a bit more involved.
As for that interview; I never got a chance to fully read it. Just the excerpts. The TLJ script was done by the time they agreed on the TFA story we ended up getting. So basically between whatever they originally filmed and whatever they shot after they recovered.
Rian was the “next logical man” for IX when Iger decided it wasn’t working out with Colin but clearly Iger went with JJ.
As for the RJ trilogy, no damn clue. As far as I know, no one is working on it so there’s no movement whatsoever. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen but I have my doubts all things considered.




Yeah I’m kind of honestly pulling for JJ because I’m not in any way invested in this trilogy. But I could tell how much this meant to him, for better or worse. I hope he gets to tell his story the way he wants it to be told and I hope it’s received well. Not for Lucasfilm’s sake, not for Disney’s sake but for the sake of a fellow fan. I know he’s a good business man and marketing dude but he doesn’t do that on set when he’s in his hoodie just doing something he’s passionate about. He’s respectful and open to conversation at all times so for that I am grateful.




I truly don’t know
I don’t think so but again, I can’t confirm much about the story. My post is more about the internal politics which I’m more familiar with than the story itself. I got to see them film 10 scenes tops.
She didn’t have a vision or ideas on the story. She just didn’t want it to look like the prequels and JJ wanted the whole thing to tie into all of Star Wars even if he wasn’t a fan of some of the prequel stuff.
I WISH. I wasn’t there for that. They tried hard to minimize the number of people on set for this and I’m not a regular on set. I wish I could go into more details as to why.




0. Daisy and Boyega do not like Rian. Full stop. They don’t. I don’t know about the others. But I know all of them feel way more comfortable with JJ and it’s obvious.

He then proceeded to post info and evidence to prove he was an employee like set info and a IX jacket exclusive only to LFL employees, but he censored his hands.
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TL;DR Version:
LFL Employee said:
Rian's trilogy really doesn't exist, JJ dindunuffin, George really was pissed and Kathleen Kennedy and Iger are idiots who fucked up at every turn but I don't hate them personally cuz I'm professional gaiz

This is the second closest we'll get to a tell-all book, but there's something genuinely suspicious about it, not because it feels like a complete lie by some shitposter, but because it feels more like an attempt at garnering sympathy, since at its core it shills for IX and JJ and feels like an attempt by someone at Lucasfilm to garner sympathy for IX and JJ himself and tries to blame Iger and LFL for IX's shortcomings rather than JJ, all the while glorifying JJ but shitting on everyone else. Hell I would honestly not be surprised if this was written by JJ himself or at the very least someone at Bad Robot out to try and gain JJ's approval. But no matter what the motivation is, this confirms that there's nothing but idiocy and desperation going on behind the scenes at Lucasfilm.

While the parts about Kennedy, Iger and Rian are likely and match up well with previous info, the JJ parts are where suspicions arise about the motivation of why this guy decided to cough up. One possible giveaway that the parts defending JJ are purposely sugarcoated unlike the rest by this employee is explained by this guy:
Toxic Discerning Film Fan said:
‘Somehow and for some reason’ something doesn’t add up here, because JJ was brought back in September 2017, months before TLJ was even out. So it’s entirely impossible that JJ was brought back in response to the TLJ backlash, it’s chronologically impossible.In June of that year Lord & Miller were fired from Solo with only 3 weeks of filming left. This was 100% the decision of KK and Kasdan and they weren’t shy about it, they shat on L&M as they kicked them out the door. Then they offered L&M credit on the movie – attempting to do what they did to Gareth Edwards, pull him off the film but keep his name on it – but L&M said no thanks.Then a few months later in early September, Trevorrow was out of 9. A screenwriter had already been brought in to rewrite his script so there was dissatisfaction brewing before they booted him. Then there was a few weeks where people were thinking Rian would just do 8 and 9, and then Abrams was announced to be returning at the end of that month.So if there was an intervention by Iger to bring back JJ, it would have been summer of 2017, well before TLJ came out.And then Rian’s trilogy was signed and announced in November, again before the release of TLJ, before any backlash.From November 9 2017, official Star Wars site:—For director Rian Johnson, Star Wars: The Last Jedi was just the beginning of his journey in a galaxy far, far away.Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Johnson will create a brand-new Star Wars trilogy, the first of which he is also set to write and direct, with longtime collaborator Ram Bergman onboard to produce.As writer-director of The Last Jedi, Johnson conceived and realized a powerful film of which Lucasfilm and Disney are immensely proud. In shepherding this new trilogy, which is separate from the episodic Skywalker saga, Johnson will introduce new characters from a corner of the galaxy that Star Wars lore has never before explored.“We all loved working with Rian on The Last Jedi,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “He’s a creative force, and watching him craft The Last Jedi from start to finish was one of the great joys of my career. Rian will do amazing things with the blank canvas of this new trilogy.”“We had the time of our lives collaborating with Lucasfilm and Disney on The Last Jedi,” Johnson and Bergman said in a joint statement. “Star Wars is the greatest modern mythology and we feel very lucky to have contributed to it. We can’t wait to continue with this new series of films.”Johnson’s upcoming Star Wars: The Last Jedi arrives in U.S. theaters on Dec. 15, 2017.—Therefore any ‘intervention’ to bring back JJ in September must also have fully signed off on Rian’s trilogy in November, before any fan had even seen TLJ.
So yeah, this is probably an employee of either LFL or Bad Robot who's throwing everyone else under the bus for JJ. Which just confirms all the juicy drama going on behind the scenes if JJ is willing to backstab his peers just to save his own slimy ass.
 
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How many fucking stories did we get in the old EU about a Jedi having to survive during the purge? Or, even worse than that, we just had Kanan and Ahsoka doing the same thing in the new canon. Starkiller was a marty stu in a dumb fun game, but at least the idea of being Vader's secret apprentice instead of a sekrit Jedi was kind of fun. At the very least do something slightly interesting like giving the main character a yellow lightsaber or something, since we haven't seen that color outside of the Temple Guards.

This is what people point to when they say Disney is just so safe and unfun.

Thats not necessirely a bad concept, especially since we are in a new canon but it feels so by the numbers. It doesnt feel like it will take any risks. And at least Force Unleashed allowed to pick the color of your lightsaber...which is something that I god damn know will be monetized if this new game has it.

Pay 0,99 for the purple lightsaber!

I do wonder how much of this is growing pains of new technology and not necessarily politically motivated.

The faces in some recent Capcom games look a little weird for example and that's definitely not thanks to SJWs.

I dont think its SJW shit this time, I think its both because they are trying to push the bounderies of facial tech (and trying to not look uncanny valley while at it, which is not working). But our minds are training to notice shit like this and it feels uncomfortable...thats why I say they should have gone for a style rather than hyper realism.
 
Honestly the looks on their faces are giving me some serious Mass Effect Andromeda vibes.
I'm getting the growing feeling that everyone in the West who genuinely ever wanted to do game dev work and was good at it has left a long while ago and they sure as hell aren't in EA.
 
Better money was in the movie industry before Hollywood outsource the CGI work to India. Gaming despite being exponentially larger than the movie industry is still seen as the second fiddle for people who want to be doing movies but don't have the connections or the chops to be in Hollywood. Hence the FMV shit plaguing gaming for 30 plus years.
 
For what it's worth I don't think JJ is an asshole unlike Rian.

I think JJ's ambition may outreach his talent, but I don't hate him, I'm not angry at JJ like I am angry at Rian or Kennedy.

I want to believe against all odds JJ may be able to pull off Episode IX and save Star Wars as a franchise, as naive as that may be.
 
A rogue former Lucasfilm employee went to Reddit and spilled the beans about the internal politics.
The post is now deleted but its thankfully been archived.

I read through that "tell-all", and let me tell you, it's setting off my bullshit alarm bells all over. It reads like a thinly veiled puff piece for JJ of all people, and has a quite few "yeah this sounds like its pandering to internet preconceptions" LARP warning.

Now, it's possible that it's very true, since it's actually quite hard to fake the imgur evidence like that without some serious prep. But I feel that, if so, then a lot of it might just be truth mixed in with a few convenient lies of omission to make JJ look better than he actually is.
 
I can only say that the scuttlebut about Iger bringing back JJ is VERY likely. It's been consistently rumored....
 
So let's get this straight. Benioff and Weiss are at least writing for a new Star Wars trilogy. Rian Johnson keeps talking about how he'll direct at least one more Star Wars film, and now Kevin Feige is being asked to jump on board
What the fuck is wrong with their faces? Its like Land of the Quasimodos. The graphics as a whole look odd too, like something from a past gen console. Hell even Force Unleashed looked better than this.
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Also can't say I'm surprised that its mostly nu-aliens making up the alien cast. Disney is willing to go into overdrive with memberberries and re-using the same ship designs regardless of the time frame but familiar aliens are an absolute no despite that being the one area that should remain consistent.

Edit: They took down the video... What happened? Was it downvoted too much or something?


Actually it seems DL's Galaxy's Edge is doing better than DW's. I may not have an agent present at the Florida park like I did with California's, but there seems to be enough info online now for me to do a proper info dump on Florida now and its actually far worse and cheaper than the California one, since for starters, it seems they couldn't afford SW-themed furniture for their outdoor areas, instead they use regular and cheap real world furniture from IKEA and regular Global-brand fans are everywhere.
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Does this mean Global and IKEA are now... CANON™‽
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OMG! I GOTTA GET LUKE'S REY'S FAVORITE BRAND OF FURNITURE RIGHT NOW!

Seriously, what happened to that bullshit dedication to Immersion, Disney?

Is that markiplier?
 
Yeah, there's something off about that post. I fully believe JJ is genuinely invested in the franchise and probably much nicer than Rian, but there's some parts that don't make sense. For instance, the desire to use a PT planet and the story group shutting him down. That makes no fucking sense and to be honest sounds like the opposite of what would happen. JJ isn't exactly shy about stating that he wanted the ST to have nothing to do with the PT, he outright says it in commentaries. He doesn't like it. The story group, on the other hand, seems okay for the most part with using prequel content, even if they focus way too much on the original trilogy. That poster might be legit, and simply shilling for JJ because they like him, but I'm actually inclined to believe most of it is fake.

EDIT: You know, unless that dude is referring to the theory that Hosnian Prime used to be Coruscant before the story group changed it. And you know what, if that was supposed to be the big scene that uses a prequel planet, I don't know how anyone could come away from it and not feel like JJ was spitting on the prequels. I'd prefer the story group meddling in that case.

I'd love to hear more about the park and canon shit.
 
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It's one thing to complain about how there were sections that just didn't add too much to the story, such as Tom Bombadil's segment in Fellowship (what can I say, I'm not a big fan of him... the songs too but those are just his Edda boner showing). It's another to note his journey writing is pretty dry and can be summed as "They walked the distance a fortnight." at its worst. He's a bit on the technical end and can be a bit dry for some.

But he is a master at building a strong and deep world, is THE man behind modern fantasy tropes, and had more talent in his pinky toenail than Cuck ever had. He's just bitter he can't be seen as famous for his lazy and trash work and wants to take a hammer so people can remember his unread trash. Fuck quality, TEAR DOWN THOSE THAT SHADOW MEEREEEEE~

WAIT WHAT


HOW.

HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU MANAGE THAT?!

I mean, it's one thing to have it do mildly better and just be worse than Disneyland's attendence overall due to the park size. That's something I could understand given that Disneyworld is a far bigger and busier park on average. BUT IT'S LOWER ATTENDANCE...

*drowns in schadenfreude*

Tolkien is not perfect. He has his weird "I like this, and you'd better too" quirks. You can level a lot of criticisms against his stories.
There is one you cannot.
No one will ever be able to justifiably call Tolkien "lazy", a charge that most of his detractors are very, very guilty of.
 
And here's some shit about Snoke... He is based on the Wizard of Oz, the actual character, hence the giant hologram, bald ugly head and meaniness... This all explains a lot.
This is rather horrifying. The movie version of the Wizard turned out to be a decent character, just one who put on a tough facade to keep Ozians too intimidated to ever try to find out the truth that he was nothing more than an ordinary man with no special powers. In the novel-verse, the Wizard eventually returns to Oz where he's largely liked for his simple magic tricks, slights of hand, and magical devices that serve as a needed deus ex machina in unusual situations that need an equally-unusual weapon or tool.

Snoke -- on the other hand -- has no likeable, redeeming traits nor does he have any traits the average person can relate to -- largely because he was killed off so quickly that movie-goers learned nothing about who he was or his backstory unlike the Wizard.

Also Leia and Holdo go to a dance club and the green twilek from Rebels was also on Hoth during ESB and taught Leia how to ride a Tauntaun. Everything ties back to Space Aladdin & Friends now.
This, too, is horrifying. Filoni has been so hellbent to have his characters be in Rebels that we've seen:
  • A debate on whether Captain Rex appeared in ROTJ on Endor,
  • Hera being on Endor and forcing Han to tell her that the Ghost is a better ship than the 'Falcon.
  • Hera now being part of the rebels hiding out on Hoth.
It just goes to show that Disney sees canon as something to ignore or break instead of something to respect as the foundation of any type of world or universe. That Chuck Wendig doesn't like canon per his tweet(s) is unsurprising. This is the same guy who thinks a book about characters farting ad nauseum was a good idea. I think he's been sniffing too much of that methane.

Meanwhile, this garbage has become the norm from Disney and how it views the Star Wars Universe. (:_(
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This is rather horrifying. The movie version of the Wizard turned out to be a decent character, just one who put on a tough facade to keep Ozians too intimidated to ever try to find out the truth that he was nothing more than an ordinary man with no special powers. In the novel-verse, the Wizard is largely liked for his simple magic tricks, slights of hand, and magical devices that serve as a needed deus ex machina in unusual situations that need an unusual weapon or tool.

Snoke -- on the other hand -- has no likeable, redeeming traits nor does have any traits the average person can relate to -- largely because he was killed off so quickly that movie-goers learned nothing about who he was or his backstory unlike the Wizard.

Actually that was one of my ideas for Snoke. I sort of envisioned him as an evil version of The Wizard, meaning that he would ultimately revealed to be a fraud. He has no Sith connections or Force powers, but conveys an image of that kind of authority and gets followers to his side through the ruse.

If they started off making him like The Wizard, then they failed to follow that comparison to its natural conclusion by making him a con man. I even thought about what it would be like if Thrawn was the one revealed to be the man behind Snoke, feeling as if the belief in a Dark Side presence would help recreate the Empire (similar to how he wanted to recruit C'Boath in the Thrawn Trilogy) though I could never figure out how to incorporate Thrawn without confusing the hell out of people that have never read the books.

Then again, I wasn't paid to write this shit and I think I put more thought into it than the people that did.
 
According to Clownfish, a insider leaked information to several YouTubers that there’s apparently 12 cuts of Episode IX.

Also, reshoots are still happening three months from release.

I asked my inside guy and he said thats a misunderstanding of whats going on

its like how the Marvel movies film multiple things to throw off leaks
 
While it pretty much confirms Iger and Kennedy are legit idiots, this was nothing but JJ shilling. Sure he’s probably nice, but he had way more skewed priorities with the franchise than people are realizing.

I mean, the dude wanted to do his own thing when he got hired and gave weak set ups in TFA, which is why Rian proceed to ignore them.
 
JJ Abrams is a parasite with no creative vision who is only interested in accumulating wealth and power in Hollywood. Kathleen Kennedy is a menace, to be sure, but don't be naive when it comes to Abrams' motives.

its like how the Marvel movies film multiple things to throw off leaks

They said the same thing about Game of Thrones. It wasn't true then and its not true now. Nobody's wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars and everybody's time filming alternate endings to throw off leakers. At most, Lucasfilm has insiders leaking fake spoilers to muddy the waters, which is why you should be wary of any leak which exists to "set the record straight."
 
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