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While I accept the possibility of Rey being a byproduct of Palpatine dabbling in Sith Alchemy which would not contradict Pablo Hidalgo's bullshit, there's no way anyone at nu-lucasfilm would have the creativity to do any of this and I doubt JJ even knows anything about Plagueis outside of ROTS assuming he doesn't loathe the film. And I still have my doubts about her being his "granddaughter", but it could still be possible if its a Story Group decision and they're aware of this shit if they're not too busy huffing each other's farts. Also, under Disney canon Plagueis no longer has anything to do with Anakin. Instead Disney canon's Marvel comics imply that Palpatine was the one who made Anakin alone but Disney's shitty data books state that it was the midichlorians who made Anakin. In pre-Disney canon, Anakin's creation is treated more ambiguously based on ideas by Lucas and Luceno, in that Plagueis was trying to create life and achieve true immortality and power, but the Force "struck back" at him as a sort of defense mechanism against messing with the natural order, creating Anakin in the process, sort of being like Plagueis's initial conception which was then hacked away from him by the Force. Not to mention Filoni Wars' shit retcons it so Anakin is without a doubt the Chosen One and it is a 100% legit prophecy (even under Disney) where Anakin has to tame a gargoyle and a griffin to prove himself... This always bothered me a little since I always assumed it was only partially legit since Vader does fuck up largely but ends up achieving his goal, although I personally liked to assume for my own canon that if the prophecy was 100% legit then it was Luke who was the One and that Vader was just the vehicle for his conception. Regardless, Plagueis seems to be off-limits to Disney as they haven't done anything with him and won't even reveal his full backstory and species despite Lucas having fully laid that out. Same with Darth Bane who was another element he wanted to go into detail about in ROTS.If they are refrencing a 'seed' from the saga. It starts from episode 3. The opera scene between Anakin and Palpatine. That implication that Anakin is a product of 'sith alchemy'....
So, so this would be the idea: after the Sith were defeated a melennium before the prequel trilogy. They retreated into the shadows. They had one objective: destroy the Jedi Order. But, their numbers were small. Their plans required deception and a being, powerful enough, to aid them. This powerful weapon would also factor into other plans for them(I have no idea what)..
They implanted a phony myth into Jedi texts about a 'Chosen One' and 'Balance of the Force'. Then, they spent centuries trying to figure out to create a vessel(conjured from the darkside) that would act as a 'sleeper agent' for them. They passed this knowledge down, covertly, by only allowing two Sith to build on this plan(rule of two)....
Finally, Darth Plageius figured out how to manipulate the force to create their herald. Sidious then killed Plageius, impregnated a peasant woman on a backwater.
When pieces were in place, he was easily able to convert his 'sleeper agent'(because of being created from the darkside).
Then his powerful weapon(Vader) was neutered. With no way of exploiting his powerful blood(he didn't know of his children yet), plus needing an inevitable replacement:
Sidious started over with another bloodline at some point(with Sith Alchemy) Then, when the time was right, he would 'pluck from the crop'. But, Luke emerged and Sidious was killed.
The adjacent family(Rey's), lived on, oblivious to this....
Thats pretty much the idea. With some tightening up, and economical dialogue: you can convey this with a scene chewer like McDiarmid.
Grandfather for both Skywalkers/Rey from "a point of view."
I haven't posted it yet. But I'll post it now if you want.@GeneralFriendliness You mentioned something about having info on Snoke's backstory. I was catching up on 30 pages of shit so I may have missed it though.
Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be a holocron or the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin.
Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.
Here's his wife's picture.
Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.
One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".
Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.
Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.
Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?
Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it. This is by the same people who created the Porg pet simulator and the Smuggler's Run game at Galaxy's Edge.
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