Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

If they are refrencing a 'seed' from the saga. It starts from episode 3. The opera scene between Anakin and Palpatine. That implication that Anakin is a product of 'sith alchemy'....

So, so this would be the idea: after the Sith were defeated a melennium before the prequel trilogy. They retreated into the shadows. They had one objective: destroy the Jedi Order. But, their numbers were small. Their plans required deception and a being, powerful enough, to aid them. This powerful weapon would also factor into other plans for them(I have no idea what)..

They implanted a phony myth into Jedi texts about a 'Chosen One' and 'Balance of the Force'. Then, they spent centuries trying to figure out to create a vessel(conjured from the darkside) that would act as a 'sleeper agent' for them. They passed this knowledge down, covertly, by only allowing two Sith to build on this plan(rule of two)....

Finally, Darth Plageius figured out how to manipulate the force to create their herald. Sidious then killed Plageius, impregnated a peasant woman on a backwater.

When pieces were in place, he was easily able to convert his 'sleeper agent'(because of being created from the darkside).

Then his powerful weapon(Vader) was neutered. With no way of exploiting his powerful blood(he didn't know of his children yet), plus needing an inevitable replacement:

Sidious started over with another bloodline at some point(with Sith Alchemy) Then, when the time was right, he would 'pluck from the crop'. But, Luke emerged and Sidious was killed.

The adjacent family(Rey's), lived on, oblivious to this....

Thats pretty much the idea. With some tightening up, and economical dialogue: you can convey this with a scene chewer like McDiarmid.

Grandfather for both Skywalkers/Rey from "a point of view."
While I accept the possibility of Rey being a byproduct of Palpatine dabbling in Sith Alchemy which would not contradict Pablo Hidalgo's bullshit, there's no way anyone at nu-lucasfilm would have the creativity to do any of this and I doubt JJ even knows anything about Plagueis outside of ROTS assuming he doesn't loathe the film. And I still have my doubts about her being his "granddaughter", but it could still be possible if its a Story Group decision and they're aware of this shit if they're not too busy huffing each other's farts. Also, under Disney canon Plagueis no longer has anything to do with Anakin. Instead Disney canon's Marvel comics imply that Palpatine was the one who made Anakin alone but Disney's shitty data books state that it was the midichlorians who made Anakin. In pre-Disney canon, Anakin's creation is treated more ambiguously based on ideas by Lucas and Luceno, in that Plagueis was trying to create life and achieve true immortality and power, but the Force "struck back" at him as a sort of defense mechanism against messing with the natural order, creating Anakin in the process, sort of being like Plagueis's initial conception which was then hacked away from him by the Force. Not to mention Filoni Wars' shit retcons it so Anakin is without a doubt the Chosen One and it is a 100% legit prophecy (even under Disney) where Anakin has to tame a gargoyle and a griffin to prove himself... This always bothered me a little since I always assumed it was only partially legit since Vader does fuck up largely but ends up achieving his goal, although I personally liked to assume for my own canon that if the prophecy was 100% legit then it was Luke who was the One and that Vader was just the vehicle for his conception. Regardless, Plagueis seems to be off-limits to Disney as they haven't done anything with him and won't even reveal his full backstory and species despite Lucas having fully laid that out. Same with Darth Bane who was another element he wanted to go into detail about in ROTS.

@GeneralFriendliness You mentioned something about having info on Snoke's backstory. I was catching up on 30 pages of shit so I may have missed it though.
I haven't posted it yet. But I'll post it now if you want.

Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be a holocron or the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin.
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Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.

Here's his wife's picture.
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Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.

One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
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Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
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Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".

Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.

Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.

Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
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Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?

Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
Looks like the game is divided into at least 3 episodes with more possibly on the way. Black Bishop gets his own weird ancient lightsaber in this one.

I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it. This is by the same people who created the Porg pet simulator and the Smuggler's Run game at Galaxy's Edge.
 
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I still fear that could be the case, but now I'll share an optimistic view, maybe this is something that needed to happen because what we really need is new stuff, all these franchises need to die so that pop culture can be revived like a phoenix from the ashes and we can get a new generation of new franchises to become the future classics.

I agree we definitively need new stuff, but I think it's also possible to continue a franchise successfully if the successors respect the past, instead of trying to kill it, and also add something of their own.

Think of Nintendo, they have been successfully milking the same characters by some decades, and people still can't have enough Pokemon and Mario bros. Not to mention the comic industry that's been milking the same characters since literally world war 2. Spiderman was created in the 60s and it's still a character multimillion-dollar corporations fight to earn billions with.

So yeah, I do agree we need as a society more legends and myths (aka cool franchises), but these people have no excuse for running a legacy not even a generation later.

Don't "kill the past". People should learn from the past, and stand over the shoulders of the legends of the past
 
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While I accept the possibility of Rey being a byproduct of Palpatine dabbling in Sith Alchemy which would not contradict Pablo Hidalgo's bullshit, there's no way anyone at nu-lucasfilm would have the creativity to do any of this and I doubt JJ even knows anything about Plagueis outside of ROTS assuming he doesn't loathe the film. And I still have my doubts about her being his "granddaughter", but it could still be possible if its a Story Group decision and they're aware of this shit if they're not too busy huffing each other's farts. Also, under Disney canon Plagueis no longer has anything to do with Anakin. Instead Disney canon's Marvel comics imply that Palpatine was the one who made Anakin alone but Disney's shitty data books state that it was the midichlorians who made Anakin. In pre-Disney canon, Anakin's creation is treated more ambiguously based on ideas by Lucas and Luceno, in that Plagueis was trying to create life and achieve true immortality and power, but the Force "struck back" at him as a sort of defense mechanism against messing with the natural order, creating Anakin in the process, sort of being like Plagueis's initial conception which was then hacked away from him by the Force. Not to mention Filoni Wars' shit retcons it so Anakin is without a doubt the Chosen One and it is a 100% legit prophecy (even under Disney) where Anakin has to tame a gargoyle and a griffin to prove himself... This always bothered me a little since I always assumed it was only partially legit since Vader does fuck up largely but ends up achieving his goal, although I personally liked to assume for my own canon that if the prophecy was 100% legit then it was Luke who was the One and that Vader was just the vehicle for his conception. Regardless, Plagueis seems to be off-limits to Disney as they haven't done anything with him and won't even reveal his full backstory and species despite Lucas having fully laid that out. Same with Darth Bane who was another element he wanted to go into detail about in ROTS.


I haven't posted it yet. But I'll post it now if you want.

Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin, either that or a holocron.
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Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.

Here's his wife's picture.
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Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.

One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
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Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
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Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".

Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.

Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.

Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
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Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?

Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
Looks like the game is divided into at least 3 episodes with more possibly on the way. Black Bishop gets his own weird ancient lightsaber in this one.

I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it.
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While I accept the possibility of Rey being a byproduct of Palpatine dabbling in Sith Alchemy which would not contradict Pablo Hidalgo's bullshit, there's no way anyone at nu-lucasfilm would have the creativity to do any of this and I doubt JJ even knows anything about Plagueis outside of ROTS assuming he doesn't loathe the film. And I still have my doubts about her being his "granddaughter", but it could still be possible if its a Story Group decision and they're aware of this shit if they're not too busy huffing each other's farts. Also, under Disney canon Plagueis no longer has anything to do with Anakin. Instead Disney canon's Marvel comics imply that Palpatine was the one who made Anakin alone but Disney's shitty data books state that it was the midichlorians who made Anakin. In pre-Disney canon, Anakin's creation is treated more ambiguously based on ideas by Lucas and Luceno, in that Plagueis was trying to create life and achieve true immortality and power, but the Force "struck back" at him as a sort of defense mechanism against messing with the natural order, creating Anakin in the process, sort of being like Plagueis's initial conception which was then hacked away from him by the Force. Not to mention Filoni Wars' shit retcons it so Anakin is without a doubt the Chosen One and it is a 100% legit prophecy (even under Disney) where Anakin has to tame a gargoyle and a griffin to prove himself... This always bothered me a little since I always assumed it was only partially legit since Vader does fuck up largely but ends up achieving his goal, although I personally liked to assume for my own canon that if the prophecy was 100% legit then it was Luke who was the One and that Vader was just the vehicle for his conception. Regardless, Plagueis seems to be off-limits to Disney as they haven't done anything with him and won't even reveal his full backstory and species despite Lucas having fully laid that out. Same with Darth Bane who was another element he wanted to go into detail about in ROTS.


I haven't posted it yet. But I'll post it now if you want.

Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin, either that or a holocron.
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Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.

Here's his wife's picture.
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Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.

One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
View attachment 954261
Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
View attachment 954268View attachment 954308
Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".

Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.

Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.

Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
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Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?

Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
Looks like the game is divided into at least 3 episodes with more possibly on the way. Black Bishop gets his own weird ancient lightsaber in this one.

I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it.
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I think it's more the idea that Lucas seems more involved with 9, than the other films. My guess Disney asking him to make sense of their shit show.

Lucas could have pointed this out.

I also think the Palpatine angle was Lucas's idea, from the original TFA story. The Jedi hunter seeking relics, to summon a Sith Lord....
 
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Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be a holocron or the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin.
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Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.

Here's his wife's picture.
View attachment 954256
Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.

One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
View attachment 954261
Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
View attachment 954268View attachment 954308
Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".

Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.

Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.

Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
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Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?

Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
Looks like the game is divided into at least 3 episodes with more possibly on the way. Black Bishop gets his own weird ancient lightsaber in this one.

I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it.
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Speechless tbh. Thanks for posting all of that. Christ, that's a big fucking mess. I see the resemblance between snoke and the lore keeper. I just don't see JJ or Rian being able to insert deepish lore like that into a spin-off game where you shit on people as Vader. Kinda like you mentioned you had your doubts about the true origin of the prophecy with Anakin and whatnot. Just what the fuck.
 
While I accept the possibility of Rey being a byproduct of Palpatine dabbling in Sith Alchemy which would not contradict Pablo Hidalgo's bullshit, there's no way anyone at nu-lucasfilm would have the creativity to do any of this and I doubt JJ even knows anything about Plagueis outside of ROTS assuming he doesn't loathe the film. And I still have my doubts about her being his "granddaughter", but it could still be possible if its a Story Group decision and they're aware of this shit if they're not too busy huffing each other's farts. Also, under Disney canon Plagueis no longer has anything to do with Anakin. Instead Disney canon's Marvel comics imply that Palpatine was the one who made Anakin alone but Disney's shitty data books state that it was the midichlorians who made Anakin. In pre-Disney canon, Anakin's creation is treated more ambiguously based on ideas by Lucas and Luceno, in that Plagueis was trying to create life and achieve true immortality and power, but the Force "struck back" at him as a sort of defense mechanism against messing with the natural order, creating Anakin in the process, sort of being like Plagueis's initial conception which was then hacked away from him by the Force. Not to mention Filoni Wars' shit retcons it so Anakin is without a doubt the Chosen One and it is a 100% legit prophecy (even under Disney) where Anakin has to tame a gargoyle and a griffin to prove himself... This always bothered me a little since I always assumed it was only partially legit since Vader does fuck up largely but ends up achieving his goal, although I personally liked to assume for my own canon that if the prophecy was 100% legit then it was Luke who was the One and that Vader was just the vehicle for his conception. Regardless, Plagueis seems to be off-limits to Disney as they haven't done anything with him and won't even reveal his full backstory and species despite Lucas having fully laid that out. Same with Darth Bane who was another element he wanted to go into detail about in ROTS.


I haven't posted it yet. But I'll post it now if you want.

Note that I'm not 100% certain if the "Snoke" I'm about to talk about is really Snoke since I haven't played the game he appears in, but everyone who has played the shitty new Vader Immortal VR game has said that the character I'm about to talk about is most definitely Snoke (even though his face is always obscured) due to that he apparently sounds and talks exactly like Snoke, all the mutated Northern Mustafarians look like Snoke without ears and botched eyes and he is described as a dark side adept or some kind of occultist rather than a sith or jedi like Snoke. Both Snokes have also been to Mustafar and have some sort of connection to Vader and his Mustafar castle, with both having stones from said castle infused with Dark Side energy, except Snoke has forged his into a ring (which I've talked about along with his slippers in case you missed it before like a year ago) and I'm not sure if the "Snoke" in Vader Immortal forged his stone into a ring since I haven't played the game, info on it seems scarce and Wookieepedia is dead so they won't update his info. I'm not sure if the second picture below is of the stone since it could also be a holocron or the "Bright Star" which is the game's MacGuffin.
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Anyway, the character in question is called the Black Bishop. Everything I know comes from what little there is on Wookieepedia and a friend who has played the game and says he keeps track of everything relating to it. The Black Bishop aka "Snoke" is a nameless individual who was some kind of warrior on Mustafar in ancient times. According to Disney Canon, Mustafar was once a beautiful earth-like planet populated by unnamed humanoids and mustafarians. "Snoke" and his wife, a lady named Corvax were humanoids who lived here happily without a care in the world.

Here's his wife's picture.
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Lovely isn't she? A++ artwork there.

One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
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Southerns being the short ones and the original natives and the Northerns being implied to be mutated humans. Here is the new look of an unmasked Northern with its formally organic snout being replaced with a mechanical gas mask for the retcon.
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Looks awfully familiar doesn't it? The dude on the right is called "Vyllp" and is a prisoner in Vader's castle who was a "Lore Master".

Despite the batshit disaster of this ridiculously overpowered relic, it in fact did grant her wish and her husband was revived but he was apparently mutated in the process and became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time and now has the power to control time to a degree which has kept him semi-immortal since he can no longer age but he's stuck on Mustafar (for now). Which may be why Snoke looks like a recently revived mutilated fuckface and why he still has ears since he never got a chance to mutate them off properly. He also has the power to stop time (at least for now due to his circumstances). His wife later hid away the Bright Star.

Centuries later, Black Bishop eventually meets Vader on Mustafar and tells him about the Bright Star. The terrible twosome work together to bring back their wives by using the Bright Star to alter time, but its useless to them since it can only be used by Corvax or someone of her bloodline... for some reason. Vader was then somehow able to find her descendant who is a smuggler and pulls him out of hyperspace and has him brought to Mustafar. This is the player's character.

Their endgoal is to go to Corvax's tomb and "free" the Bright Star from the prison Corvax put it in. Black Bishop claims this will save Mustafar and "free" him from his prison in time. His closeness with Vader would explain why Snoke knows so much about Vader and why he has hints tying him to Mustafar.
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Stupidly enough, the plot of the game sounds like a donut steal version of the one involving Darth Moomin from Disney's Marvel comics, which also had Vader trying to tamper in time and dealing with a sketchy undead weirdo who also claimed he could bring Padme back to life via convoluted means, and when he finally almost achieves what he wants Vader ends up regretting it. Since this is all part of the same Disney Canon, you'd think Vader would've learned his lesson by now. Also why is time manipulation coming into play again...?

Edit: Looks like SW Theory made a video about this where he actually plays the most recently released episode of the VR game.
Looks like the game is divided into at least 3 episodes with more possibly on the way. Black Bishop gets his own weird ancient lightsaber in this one.

I've posted a clip from the game before back in August to get a feel of what it's like. Here it is again for those who missed it. This is by the same people who created the Porg pet simulator and the Smuggler's Run game at Galaxy's Edge.
I'll give some credit, at least it's actually sort of unique. It's just definitely one of those things that people would decry if it were in the old canon as being dumb and overpowered. It's basically that arc in the Star Wars comics where that Jedi is possessed by that Sith and can live forever.
 
Think of Nintendo, they have been successfully jerking off the same characters by some decades, and people still can't have enough Pokemon and Mario bros.
That's because Nintendo makes good products and has a reputation for making good products. They at least have a baseline respect for their own property and their consumers.
 
9: Finn and his sister (supposedly alongside Rose later on) are then sent on a suicide mission with some troops to destroy General Wyte Pryde's Star Destroyer and they kill him.

why don't they just hyperspace ram it?

It's just bad storytelling to drag something out, all good stories have endings.

stories yes, universes no. the usual problem is that the people in charge perceive the universes solely revolving around a single character or cast, to the point even lucas fell for it. star wars may be have been started as "the skywalker saga" but even by ep1 it grew way beyond that. terminator which started from a literal b-movie plot had an universe with plenty of room for stories in it, not to mention since time travel was a focal plot point from the start and not just some deus-ex asspull there are plenty of options besides john connor via time-travel shenanigans. or with a fuckhueg galaxy it's not improbable that the predators encountered aliens at some point, especially when it was about the hunt (fuck nulore).

another problem is that most writers are shit. this isn't an issue for fanfiction but we're at a point where literal fanfiction is fucking canon. biggest warning sign is rehashing shit and making every conflict world ending (it's another deah star - but bigger). solo was great insofar that it was simply a story about a dude and his gf wanting to get off a shit planet, only to fail, which made his main goal to pick her up later. ffs for a universe as big as star wars you don't even need to be a good writer, just competent. pull a games workshop and rehash shit from centuries of history or fiction, shake it up and bam, surefire stories for plenty of movies, games or radio commercials.

as an indicator of a society collapsing - maybe there's some part of it, but imo it's mainly the media landscape changing. trying to dumb everything down to the point even a potato finds it dull is just desperation to make as much money as possible with the lowest risk. as a blackpill-fag this will take care of itself anyway when people fight over food. no time or money to get into the latest disney trash. meanwhile asia/africa/south america will grab popcorn.
 
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Why don't they just hyperspace ram their enemies? Get a droid, hook it up to those 'experimental shield' asspulls, and then launch it at their enemy. Once they figure out where Palpatine Macguffin Land is, just hyperspace ram it a few thousand times from far away. The formula for kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2, meaning that mass is negligible compared to velocity.
 
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I think it's more the idea that Lucas seems more involved with 9, than the other films. My guess Disney asking him to make sense of their shit show.

Lucas could have pointed this out.
You're right. Although it depends on how much creative liberty they give him. But if he is given that much liberty then I expect you to be absolutely right. Even if Hidalgo went on Twitter and said Palpatine had no offspring in Disney canon, claiming Rey is Palpy's "child" via Sith alchemy wouldn't legit make her Palpy's biological offspring so it wouldn't go against Pablo's bullshit. Also I hate how quick Pablo Hidalgo and Matt Martin are to jump on Twitter and explain everything and shut down any potential theories and discussion by answering any dumb question. Is this to keep theories from being made so people won't have their expectations raised too high like what happened after Snokefags got pissed that their shitty Snoke theories were invalidated? Either that or Pablo and Matt are fucktards.

I see the resemblance between snoke and the lore keeper.
Funny thing about the lore keeper and his species is that this is another example of Disney redesigning old aliens to give them a completely different look than what they originally had and making them more human, like they did with Ithorians initially.

While you can't see the Mustafarians clearly in ROTS, their full bodies can be seen in stills for the film as well as in toys and their in-game models for SWG.
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In all pre-Disney instances they were depicted as having only two fingers and one thumb, large bug-eyes, disproportionately long limbs and having their snouts covered with gas masks that fit them, while also being described as being connected to the Kubaz who they resemble. But in Vader Immortal they're given humanoid eyes and limbs, four fingers, and the new design of their gas mask makes it so their face feels more humanoid and makes you question whether they really do have snouts under there. Yet other Disney sources before this game still implied a Kubaz connection and the Moomin comic portrays their eyes as being on the sides of their heads and occasionally human-like which differs from the movie and the new game but with four fingers like the new game and a possibly humanoid face since Moomin's mask fits so well on them.
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I'll give some credit, at least it's actually sort of unique. It's just definitely one of those things that people would decry if it were in the old canon as being dumb and overpowered. It's basically that arc in the Star Wars comics where that Jedi is possessed by that Sith and can live forever.
Its an interesting concept but not original by much considering that they're recycling most of the plot from Disney's Moomin comic and again it involves time travel to a degree. Only main difference is Darth Moomin was a Sith ghost (and apparently a Revan knockoff with a female Malak knockoff as his cohort) while Bishop here is a time altering ex-soldier. Why is time travel such an important and recurring element now anyway? Even the upcoming Resistance season hints that time travel will be a thing there too. What's Disney's fucking plan here? I initially assumed it was because a big shitty time travel retcon was happening in IX, but that no longer seems to be the case. So what's the point? Also if this is building up towards a big Snoke reveal as the ultimate big bad, it really doesn't matter. He's no longer the main bad guy and we know he can't kill Vader or that he succeeds at anything except seducing Kylo. Unless he's going to be the main villain in some kind of crappy Disney+ spinoff.
 
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What's with the trend of science fiction IPs getting utterly dismembered and having their corpses sodomized?

Star Wars: OT and PT are shat on.
Star Trek: TOS (and probably TNG) are destroyed thanks to Discovery bullshit.
Alien: The "perfect organism" is now just a science project from an android with a god complex.
Predator: Thanks to the latest movie in the franchise, it turns out the intergalactic big-game hunters are really harvesting human DNA (and weaponize autism) to invade Earth because climate change will make the planet hospitable for the species while humanity dies.

Any other sci-fi IPs that I missed?
That's because Nintendo makes good products and has a reputation for making good products. They at least have a baseline respect for their own property and their consumers.

Does Metroid count?
 
GE is still a big dud.

... Just... I have no words... A fucking media takeover across the countless multi-million dollar channels that Disney owns was done to try and advertise this park to the max, and yet the fuckers still found a way to fuck it up horribly. This is more than simple bad luck or pure stupidity... Its like some sort of divine comedy.
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Kek Mr. Iger you really are scum.
 
George Lucas himself got that ball rolling in RotJ with the rebel fleet hilariously outnumbered and yet still win a "knife fight in a phonebooth" brawl against the Imperial fleet. And later the lighting storm in Dark Empire which RotS seems to cribbing from.

Afaik only the Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers, and Exosquad avoided using deus ex machina to defeat the superior villian fleets at the end of their series.
It worked in RotJ (and ANH too if you think about it) though to raise the stakes and emphasize the underdog status, you might have to suspend your disbelief a bit but its not nearly as ridiculous or hackish as what these leaks are saying.
 
One day, a war of some kind broke out and the Black Bishop fell in battle and died. His wife out of desperation stole the planet's most sacred artifact, an object called The Bright Star which could supposedly grant any wish. But when she used it to revive her husband, the Star destroyed the planet, killing almost all life on it and reducing it to rock and magma, with the surviving mustafarians and humanoids being horribly burned and eventually evolved/devolved/mutated into Southern and Northern Mustafarians.
You know this sounds a lot like the lore behind Lost Izalith in Dark Souls. A woman tries to save something only to tragically create a lava hellscape filled with abominations, because she went against something natural.
became trapped outside of the conventional flow of time
OH COME ON
 
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