Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread
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BrandedEagle
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doubt.
Chupp's conduct and logic were so trash that an appeals court is going to smack Chupp harder than a chinese parent with a failure of a child and make him do the entire thing, skipping TCPA having made the decision for him.
i'm speaking in hyperbole of course, but the reality is still there. Chupp is going to lose appeal regardless of how he rules. It's simply a matter of how much of a dumbass he wants to look to the appeals court, which based on what I've seen he does slightly care about but more in the angry sort of way.
though you do have kickvics reaction to a perceived victory as correct and the looks of horror at the realization that season 2 has started and the tournament arc has truly begun will be absolutely delicious... as will the keks be.
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Feeling uncomfortable doesn't mean he assaulted you, dumb bitch.
That goes for every accusation that people have brought up.
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Literally no one cares about a random nobody's account of how Vic supposedly did something completely innocent that they personally felt uncomfortable about and then refused to so much as communicate it a little bit until now. Who is this?
Also, I see they're still wheeling out that ableism. "You either hate women, or you're a poor, stupid and abused woman who can't understand you're being abused". Classy move.
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Except Vic often reaches out to these fans. Fans who are depressed, suicidal, or just want someone to talk to.
“Doesn’t care” my ass.
If anything Vic cares a hell of a lot. Is it any wonder why these fans desperately want to defend him? Not because he’s a good actor, but because despite his mistakes in life like cheating on his fiancé, they can tell he’s a genuinely good person that sees all of them as thinking feeling people who need support. Where as the other actors just see their fans as walking dollar bills.
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I'm starting to think the mediation gambit points toward defamation not being dismissed. Reason being: One of the statutes to try to cut down on frivolous lawsuits is that you can all but self-dismiss a defamation suit by doing the one thing Vic wants, which is retracting the statements with a "my bad" kind of thing. So basically, you (generically as a defendant) can prove no "malice" by saying "I did that, but I didn't know, I know now, my bad let's move on". In the broad sense, it's bad for the person being defamed because the initial claim is usually more noticed than the retraction, but there it is. I think Chupp is giving the defendants in this case all possible attempts to take that "hey, my bad, no harm no foul" clause. And to be totally fair, I feel like if they don't take that, then this shouldn't be an anti-SLAPP thing and we should have a trial to see who's lying. I mean, if they're not willing to say "I didn't mean to defame him" and double down on "he's a criminal and I stand by that statement" then that should require proof.
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I'm running with the theory that Chupp hates this case on so many levels but knows he fucked up, so he'll dismiss everything and let another court decide on it, hoping he gets a few months relief from dealing with it.
Doesn't matter how trash Chupp's logic might be, or if on appeals every single charge is reinstated. Since for all intents and purposes, until the appeals court tears Chupp a new one Vic has utterly lost and is now six-figures in debt to the brave wahmen he filed a frivolous lawsuit against. That's going to be the narrative, and they will run with it for everything it's worth.
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Again these faggots miss the point no one is defending vic for voicing their favorite animu character.
Vic cares about more about his fans than he does about voice acting.
most people see that vic is a good person despite his mistakes we all see vic is a flawed man who tries to improve himself and help his fans when they're in need.his fans can tell that vic is genuinely a good person who cares about his fans.
All the other voice actors see their fans as tools for money.
Garm
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How much has Chupp actually dealt with this case? He seemed unprepared for the TCPA hearing so I am guessing he procrastinated as much as everyone else in this mess.
I lean towards Chupp keeping defamation just so each side has a reason to be pissed at him. I think he won't have to deal with it while the defendants appeal and they could get Vic's appeal done at the same time.
The problem with narratives is that they have to be correct. If they go wrong all of a sudden people become disillusioned.
xyz741
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As much as people want to go insane about Vic hugging fans back in the day, it's a ridiculous point to hang your hat on. At least Monica's one story and the twins thing has the air of scandal, but hugging random fans who go to his autograph sessions (even if they claim like whatshername that they weren't actually there to get his autograph/meet him) really does need to be put in context of the time. Ten years ago you literally (as in not figuratively) had people (mostly girls) randomly glomping (aka, "hug assaulting") complete strangers in the hallways of pretty much every convention. It would be like saying "hey, those guys punching random people in the stomach are just par for the course, but this guy that is shaking hands without asking is a psychotic assailant who needs to be stopped."
BrandedEagle
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That's true.... for some. As dumb as Kickvic is, after the victory high dies fear will settle nicely into the back of their mind, introducing a sense of paranoia. A single nagging question there constantly. "Are we sure Vic is dead? He's not actually dead yet but its any day.... right?".
when you base your entire justice on lies, paranoia is the only potential result...... and thanks to their actions, they will arrive there posthaste much to our enjoyment.
xyz741
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I don't have any emotional investment in Vic himself. If the end result is a trial where he's proven guilty, then so be it. My issue is with the rumor-fueled lynch mob. I'm against the standard that someone can be fired and ostracized simply because his accuser is a woman claiming sexual assault. Your job should not be subject to the whims of social media mobs. If nothing else, get a damn restraining order and require that the guy can't be anywhere near you and if he breaks that then he will go to jail and then if they're fired, so be it. But this crap of "he was bad to me, fire him" is bullshit.
BimWitted
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Consent required for hugs means that Jamie sexually assaulted Vic, hypocrite.
jameshameson
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For that to happen, it would require Vic to be sued... which still isn't a thing...
Is this a rape threat?
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xyz741
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Which is my point. If you want to fire someone for criminal activity, then that's fair game (even though some are wort of trying to outlaw that, assuming the crime isn't sexual, just something like flat out stealing from the actual business) but firing people for rumors and innuendo is ridiculous.
xyz741
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I'm going to say this since you have a Reinhard avatar. It says a lot about her that she has a shrine for a side character from an ultra-weeb tier show. I mean, having a shrine to Yamcha is one thing, but a shrine to captain WhoGivesAShit from OnlyUberWeebsCare show is next level.
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She maybe a crazy hoe, but I have to admit she has good taste
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Lest we forget, I have found records of girls literally assaulting and/or molesting Vic during the timeframe that people claim they were all 'too innocent to understand how creepy Vic was being!' - Vic dealt with a very real threat of the girls he stood and posed with reaching down and grabbing his nether regions and then giggling and laughing about it with their friends as they went off, because they were so 'devious or 'assertive' or whatever. This is in addition to girls thinking it's funny to do running tackles that knock him off of his feet and then dogpile him (and we can only hope they didn't make grabs of things while he was knocked down), and him being late for panels because girls would box him in at hallways.
Frankly, research indicates that if you weren't some old fat slob, the VAs were way more in danger of being sexually harassed than the attendees, because the 'no parents, no judgement' kind of attitude facilitated a highly sexually charged atmosphere where kids felt comfortable exploring their sexuality in the form of 'these are anime characters but physical'. Plus, there's a very groupie-like, potentially extremely dangerous, attitude where the people feel like celebrities to their fans, but aren't actually celebrities, meaning they lack protection of someone like Tom Cruise, and are more likely to get stalkers and stuff who feel like they're personally connected to that VA in particular.
If you think about it, it all feeds back into why and how Vic got into trouble in the first place. He voiced dreamboats, was charismatic and attractive himself and sometimes looked like his characters, and then he refused to play out those fujo's fantasies. This enraged the fujos, because he showed signs of independent thought process instead of being their blow up doll, and rather than examine their own behavior and realize they've been abusing and assaulting humans in the name of 'I'm such a fan', they twisted his behavior into sinister things, just to avoid any blame.