Inactive Gwen Hartley & The Hartley Hooligans - Attention Seeking Horrorshow Mom of Two Dead Gremlins & Finally Free Human Son

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I see Lola is wearing yellow in support of her sisters jaundice
I'm really surprised Gwen doesn't remove the oxygen cannula before she takes these photos. Is she so dependent on supplemental oxygen that she can't even be off it for the few seconds it takes to shoot an instagram shot where she doesn't even look minimally aware of her surroundings? It's not like when she used to take undoubtedly hundreds of photos waiting for the one that looked like they were engaging with their environment instead of locked in a dead-eye stare with nothing.
 
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There she goes talking about superpowers again..... As if being born with a golfball sized brain is close to having powers...... wtf is wrong with this woman. First they are special needs extremely fragile and need constant care in order to survive the common cold next they are superpowered sassy teens again. I guess she wont get an mri done on lola not because shes afraid to see how tiny and rotten her brain is(if its not jelly at this point) but because her superpowers might cause a nuclear explosion in the hospital.

Regarding the oxygen this is probably going to be a permanent fixture from now on someone else who I think is a medical professional said that the contorted nature of her ribcage and crazy spinal curvature makes it difficult for her or anyone with that disorder to breathe. Im assuming that having tiny lungs, starving all the time, and having that caved in and extremely deformed and distorted hunchback body is going to be the cause of death. I mean they have to constantly pump oxygen into her lungs 24/7. It doesnt appear they are “weaning her off” like gwen said almost 6 months ago. Pocket is probably going to die from asphyxiation any month now. Her extreme kyphosis could also effect her hearts ability to pump oxygenated blood through her body as well so there is a double edged sword going on now. Its difficult for her to fill her lungs and her scrunched up insanely deformed body could be detrimental to her heart. Her kyphosis is definitely more than severe at this point you have all seen that gigantic hump on her back. Im putting my money on this being the cause of death in the near future. They are going to put her down wrong or shes gonna roll over on her stomach and probably stop breathing.
 
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Maybe its the just way Gwen has styled Lola's hair so it's mashed down tightly against her head, but in the two pictures on the right , I swear it looks like Lola's cranium has gotten even smaller and flatter before.
Lol you are right it looks totally fucked up. I was also looking at that photo suspiciously like ive seen it before.
 
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I'm really surprised Gwen doesn't remove the oxygen cannula before she takes these photos.
If this was a situation where Gwen is downplaying anything being wrong with them (besides their tiny heads and broken bodies) she would, but in this case Gwen made a big deal about how Lola was in PICU and almost died a couple of times. So not only is it okay, but Gwen will use it to miIk extra sympathy which Lola continues to fight off the horrible cold that almost killed her. Just don't dare point out that millions of people have an active rhinovirus infection at any given time and only immunocompromised people die from it.
 
Hey check this out I was going through the instagram and the mom actually calls Lola "It." Nice freudian slip gwen. Even maw maw heartless knows her kid is barely human.
 

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I don’t blame the family for loving them-the human capacity for love is mysterious but one of the good things about us.

However, Gwen missed the love with Dignity part. I’ve written about another YouTube parent who also has a kid with microcephaly. She shows how she does feeds, washes hair, does daily care, because she believes this may help another family in this circumstance. She clearly loves her child, who just seems a tick above the Hartleys in awareness but has a body that is not as destroyed.

Mostly, this mother giver her daughter dignity. She doesn’t talk about the things the kid would be embarrassed about if she could think: no poop explosions, no vomiting, none of that. I’m sure it happens but who doesn’t know that you just clean it up? She gives her daughter dignity. She’s not playing bowling with her, not pretending she’s going to change the world. She’s the kind of mother Gwen should have been if she wasn’t a narc.

This lady loves her kid and will grieve when she’s gone, as Gwen has. I’m sure there is some relief too, as there is when you believe somebody is suffering. But I don’t think Gwen sees Lola and her vomiting, shitting, stinking, seizing blank self and thinks suffering, and she’s wrong. I’m not sure the other girl is suffering-she’s in feeds, goes to the hospital regularly, has comfort care. But Lola? Whether her brain has any awareness, we can all see it’s time.

What there is to love, I don’t know, thankfully. But people can love all sorts of broken things. It’s the way you show that love that counts. Gwen blew it.

Gwen has used the girls for asspats, attention, to be a martyr mom. She has accepted expensive items that would never help the girls. Unlike this mom, who really just is hoping to help other mothers.

And that’s the difference. Lola snd Claire have never been afforded dignity.

Is it the “Our lives, our reasons, our sanity” lady with the daughter named Makayla? I know when she started getting hate from the nutter “even spuds like the Hartleys should be treated like real people!” type, she broke down & posted vids explaining why Makayla is either in bed or lying on her couch in a quiet room & that’s what keeps her comfortable & calm. The nuts had also bitched about how the kid was spoken to or not included in conversations going on around her. The mom had to explain that the only thing she can kinda understand is tone, albeit exaggerated, when someone speaks to her. The kid has one of the -cephalys but i can’t remember which one. IIRC, the mom was a teen mother when Makayla was born too.
 
Our lives, our reasons, our sanity is a really non fundo channel the only video I take issue with is this one period talk but can totally understand why she made the video When compared to Gwen who does not give a sh!t if her tards are in pain(for any reason ) Tiffany clearly stated that she will give over the counter meds when Mikayla needs them for period pain so that's awesome
 
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Is it the “Our lives, our reasons, our sanity” lady with the daughter named Makayla? I know when she started getting hate from the nutter “even spuds like the Hartleys should be treated like real people!” type, she broke down & posted vids explaining why Makayla is either in bed or lying on her couch in a quiet room & that’s what keeps her comfortable & calm. The nuts had also bitched about how the kid was spoken to or not included in conversations going on around her. The mom had to explain that the only thing she can kinda understand is tone, albeit exaggerated, when someone speaks to her. The kid has one of the -cephalys but i can’t remember which one. IIRC, the mom was a teen mother when Makayla was born too.
It's called lissencephaly. You know the folds (gryi) and grooves (sulci) on the surface of the cerebral cortex? These folds and grooves are important because they allow humans to have a large amount of brain matter in a relatively small space, kind of like crumpling a piece of paper to make it fit in a small area. Kids with lissencephaly lack these folds and grooves, which means their brains have less matter which in turn means severe re.tardation-I'm talking forever-newborn re.tardation.
 
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Yes, that’s the one I was talking about. She’s very realistic about her daughter’s capabilities, yet loves her anyway. She’s not warrior-moming it through life and pretending her kids have superpowers.

That's what I think it makes it all the sadder, she knows damn well that her daughter will never enjoy the simplest joys in life nor achieve developmental milestones such as saying her first word or learning how to walk. But fuck do I not respect her for trying her damnest and giving her daughter some dignity.
 
Yes, that’s the one I was talking about. She’s very realistic about her daughter’s capabilities, yet loves her anyway. She’s not warrior-moming it through life and pretending her kids have superpowers.

Yep. She also looks a lot younger than Gwen but shows much more maturity over her situation (caring for a profoundly disabled child).
 
Yep. She also looks a lot younger than Gwen but shows much more maturity over her situation (caring for a profoundly disabled child).
Yea i appreciate that woman someone showed her videos or linked her like 20-30 pages ago its just a breath of fresh air to see someone be totally honest about this shit and tell the truth about the difficulties involved in raising a child like this.
 
Gonna get a little autistic about Christianity here.
1.) There is no Limbo in the Bible. In the old testament there was a vaguely pagan afterlife known as Sheol, where everyone went after death, regardless of their actions in life. Later some of the Jews began to conceive of a good place for good people to go, and the idea that at some late point all would be resurrected from the dead. The idea of Limbo was created by various Christian theologians in the 400's AD and later to give 'good' or 'innocent' unbaptised people a place to go after death, since they interpreted bible verses to mean physical baptism was necessary to get to heaven.

2.) The Bible has nothing to say about what level of human consciousness in necessary to be in heaven in the afterlife. There are some mentions of animals in heaven in the New Testament, but it is unclear if these are to be allegorical. Some Bible verses are used to argue that that baptism or confession of faith is necessary. Others use some stuff from the Jewish Talmud about the age of accountability to say that any significantly exceptional person or child under 12-7 depending on the sect gets a free pass to heaven.

3.) In the Old Testament, death and disability of a child could be accounted as a punishment for some sin of the parent. But this was not universally accepted as the cause in every case. In the New Testament Jesus is asked directly this question before healing a blind man, "Who sinned, the man or his parents?" Jesus answers " Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him " Most Christians take this as a statement that disabled children born now are not caused by a parent's sins. They are either a result of the natural order of the world being poisoned by sin and evil, or God caused or allowed the disability to fulfill some grander purpose we don't understand, or a combination of both. Christian denomiations that believe in some kind of prosperity gospel, (If your faith is strong, nothing bad will happen to you.) may say that a disabled kid, or the lack of healing for a kid, comes from a deficiency of faith, (you just didn't believe with no doubt hard enough.) but that wouldn't keep you or your kid from getting to heaven.

So. Most Christians would be for caring for Hartley gremlins for their natural lifespans, and not aborting them, yes. But only a few sects would go for blindly willingly breeding more Hartley gremlins.

This Christian wouldn’t. Both girls would’ve got the scarlet letter, the big A.

Saw where Gwen replied to a commenter asking about that damned rubber chicken. She said Pockey has been keeping her hands open a lot more lately. That a bad sign that parts of her are starting to relax?
 

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