Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

If we post these spoilers on various media (and apparently /tv/ is in on the fun already), we can effectively take away a few emotionally manipulative twists from this movie, so they no longer woo what few enthusiastic viewers it will still have. It's not en par with "Dumbledor dies", but still...


SJW-dom going the way of the dinosaur and becoming a laughingstock like Hippies are nowadays.
SJW-dom has always thrived on virtue signalling and people pretending to be Rosa Parks for tweeting about 72 genders from their local starbucks, but it's become harder and harder to really stand out with that as time moves on, so I expect the next hot topic to be "climate change" and we've seen the transition from SJW to Climate Change recently.
My hunch is that the hanger-ons of the SJW movement will move on to climate change, once that takes off a bit more.
For the first part, we must remember that spoiler dumping must be done in a way to kill any and all hype. So tossing it onto r/starwars and /rdisneysdickinmyass would probably be a good move, but only later once we've collected all the stuff we can. I'll also cap the spoiler dump @GeneralFriendliness has provided with its own date come Sunday or so and distribute it onto Discord and 4chan more.

For the second part, I fucking hope the dangerhairs do something other than move to climate change, since that's an actual, real, physical issue. I hope they all just get into a big room with JK Rowling and collectively rape Harry Potter some more.
 
Don't forget D-0, the fourth droid whose existence (all but confirmed thanks to this Babu Fucker being confirmed) pretty much is just going to be merchandising attempts to further remove R2D2 and CP30 from the fanchise.

The only way that this can be salvaged if D-0 ends up to be Dio Brando the whole time and he says,"You thought that Palpatine was the villian, but it was I DIO!!!" then the movie turns awesome.
 
Are Porgs still a thing? Seems I haven't heard anything about them since Ep 8 was shat out
Disney still pushes them on all fronts, but unlike Minions, they just find next to no traction.
They are "cute" animals from a movie, so some kids will want a Porg-Plushie, but they won't go apeshit over it like Disney hoped...
 
Ebay's front page is all Star Wars. I've never looked as Star Wars merch there. Never ever, in the history of the universe. Normally, the level of our misunderstanding is "you buy Japanese fountain pens, clearly you must be interested in these Japanese rubber titties".
If anything, people on ebay should know by now nuwars toys are not a good investment.
 
Man you guys really hate Korra. I certainly will admit that show (and character) definitely does have problems, but the way I hear you and others described it makes me think of how much people eviscerated the prequels. And just for the record, I have watched the show. Hek, I've lately been re-watching part of it though I have no intention of watching past season 2 because that's when the show really bombs for me.

On another note, what is this confirmed leak that @GeneralFriendliness is referring to?
The problem with Korra is that the concept on paper of an already extremely capable protagonist who is pretty much perfect at everything compared to everyone else is one which requires a consistently decent level of writing to pull off given how such a concept automatically lowers the inherent tension in the story as the question is no longer "can the hero win?" but "when will the hero win?"

When paired up with an unlikable protagonist, bland side characters, and the story automatically rewarding characters with power boosts without justification or reason, it quickly turns into a turgid shitshow even before you get to the painful melodrama and retarded storylines.

Korra may not have been a total blueprint for the Rey style annoying mary sue protagonist lady who is super badass and awesome and snarky and expert at everything from the getgo, in that there were some token attempts to explain how she had been trained non stop since she was a toddler and actually allowed her to not win a couple of fights, but she was definitely one of the seeds of that idea becoming the standard in hack media land.

The fundamental problem is that a lot of lazy writers and producers want the kudos and mythical woke-bucks of a "strong snarky wammen" character, but are either too uncaring or too terrified of shrieking twitter retards to give them any actual flaws or failings or weaknesses or fears to balance out the strength and the snark, leading to them being utterly forgettable and charmless.

This is why all these uber powerful and confident and perfect and badass strong female characters of the 2010s combined have yet to capture the barest fragment of the long lasting popularity and audience esteem as the terrified space u-haul officers and confused diner waitresses and endangered princesses of the 1980s
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The only way that this can be salvaged if D-0 ends up to be Dio Brando the whole time and he says,"You thought that Palpatine was the villian, but it was I DIO!!!" then the movie turns awesome.
I still think the only way this movie can be saved is this:

During the stand-off between Palpatine and Rey, Boba Fett rides in on Darth Mauls Robo-legs (like he's awkwardly sitting on them) and then blows Palpy's brains out or torch him and begins to teabag or crab rave over his bloody or burning corpse. He then flies off like Poochy, cell shading and all and the movie just ends. No credits.

I originally came up with this as how Snoke should've died compared to the BS that actually happened, but shit. It still works at this point.
 
The problem with Korra is that the concept on paper of an already extremely capable protagonist who is pretty much perfect at everything compared to everyone else is one which requires a consistently decent level of writing to pull off given how such a concept automatically lowers the inherent tension in the story as the question is no longer "can the hero win?" but "when will the hero win?"

When paired up with an unlikable protagonist, bland side characters, and the story automatically rewarding characters with power boosts without justification or reason, it quickly turns into a turgid shitshow even before you get to the painful melodrama and retarded storylines.

Korra may not have been a total blueprint for the Rey style annoying mary sue protagonist lady who is super badass and awesome and snarky and expert at everything from the getgo, in that there were some token attempts to explain how she had been trained non stop since she was a toddler and actually allowed her to not win a couple of fights, but she was definitely one of the seeds of that idea becoming the standard in hack media land.
I mean, I think that Rey is an unholy fusion of Korra for undeserved power, Alice for obvious wanking by the directors, and Bella Swan in terms of personality, appearance, and social graces. She's a fucking compound Sue.

She can do anything, and official Disney articles have said that she has 'no weaknesses', JJ thinks that her upper limit of power is literally just how powerful the Force is (according to him wondering about that limit.) She has no enemies, everyone either absolutely loves her, is super conflicted but loves her, or is jealous of her abilities, or is unaware of her and/or a bumbling idiot. Only Snoke, the big lame Palpatine ripoff, even managed to hurt her physically. He paid for that with his life. Disney is so aware of this damning evidence that they have conducted smear campaigns on the fucking term Mary Sue (which hilariously enough was coined by a woman, Paula Smith) to try and invalidate that criticism.

Rey has not grown in any way over the course of the films and no increase in her power has felt justified or reasonable. Anakin grew stronger over the course of the Prequels, exponentially so, but he had the justification of being trained by the Jedi for years. Luke clearly grew more powerful over the OT, but he survived his first (and possibly his second) duel with Vader since Vader wanted him alive anyway. He also had the justification of being trained directly by Yoda, the fucking grandmaster of the Jedi order.

Rey has survived duels with multiple opponents who want her dead with no support or training whatsoever, and has grown even more and more powerful from her absurd starting point over the course of HOURS, having only a seriously out of character Luke give her no lessons whatsoever.

She is not human. She is not believable. She is not a strong character. Strong characters fight for what they have, and get up when they fail, again and again. They suffer. They sometimes die. They gain power and accolades by the fucking skin of their teeth. And they have failures, and emotions, and flaws.

Rey has none of that. She is a weak female character. She does not fight for herself or for others, things just happen to go her way. She does not get up after failing: she just never fucking fails. She doesn't suffer or gain power by effort, everything just goes her way. She doesn't have emotions or flaws or any personality, she's a vehicle to drive the plot forwards. And when things aren't passively happening to her, she displays no agency at all.
 
She is not human. She is not believable. She is not a strong character. Strong characters fight for what they have, and get up when they fail, again and again. They suffer. They sometimes die. They gain power and accolades by the fucking skin of their teeth. And they have failures, and emotions, and flaws.
She isnt a character
 
She isnt a character
And that is why Disney Wars fails. It is fundamentally broken, as the main character isn't even a character at all! In fact, none of the 'main cast' are really characters in any way, shape or form. None of them have any flaws or failures at all.

And what's a story without characters?
 
And that is why Disney Wars fails. It is fundamentally broken, as the main character isn't even a character at all! In fact, none of the 'main cast' are really characters in any way, shape or form. None of them have any flaws or failures at all.

And what's a story without characters?
Harry Potter wasnt really a character [nor was a lot of 1990s to present YA characters] and thats who the studios are writing for
 
Harry Potter wasnt really a character [nor was a lot of 1990s to present YA characters] and thats who the studios are writing for
Popular doesn't mean good. To be entirely fair to Harry Potter, I never actually read those books at all. YA book characters in general, though, are for 13-16 year olds to project themselves onto. A defining personality makes such projection difficult so it isn't done.

(As an aside, this is also why many video game protagonists are silent. It becomes easy to project a personality onto them.)
 
Popular doesn't mean good. To be entirely fair to Harry Potter, I never actually read those books at all. YA book characters in general, though, are for 13-16 year olds to project themselves onto. A defining personality makes such projection difficult so it isn't done.

(As an aside, this is also why many video game protagonists are silent. It becomes easy to project a personality onto them.)
And they are treating 20-30 somethings like they are still 13-16

really makes you think
 
And they are treating 20-30 somethings like they are still 13-16

really makes you think
I've made several remarks about the infantilization of the consumer. By keeping morality in films very simple and characters basic, the idea was to have basically anyone be able to project onto the characters. I think that this has actually damaged the moral development of the newer generations of western society. To whit, I will provide an example.

I was speaking with someone and the subject of ANTIFA came up, and they said that they thought it was their right to punch Nazis. I then asked what would happen immediately after that and he shut down. He had no idea how to respond, and when I said that the person or people he assaulted would turn and beat the shit out of him (muscularly atrophied soyboy. It'd be a slaughter), he tepidly denied it.

When the media and the news do not ask questions and impose black and white characters, with protagonists without flaw and antagonists without virtue, it pollutes the inner philosophy of the viewer, and it makes them think that they too, are the infallible, impossible hero, who cannot ever be wrong or flawed.

This is why I support having complicated and sometimes even uncomfortable morals in movies, books, television, video games, etc, for all ages. I'd much rather tell a child through media that the world can be complicated and that you can be wrong than what I see the mainstream pushing. It breeds nothing but extremism and divisiveness.
 
The problem with Korra is that the concept on paper of an already extremely capable protagonist who is pretty much perfect at everything compared to everyone else is one which requires a consistently decent level of writing to pull off given how such a concept automatically lowers the inherent tension in the story as the question is no longer "can the hero win?" but "when will the hero win?"

When paired up with an unlikable protagonist, bland side characters, and the story automatically rewarding characters with power boosts without justification or reason, it quickly turns into a turgid shitshow even before you get to the painful melodrama and retarded storylines.

Korra may not have been a total blueprint for the Rey style annoying mary sue protagonist lady who is super badass and awesome and snarky and expert at everything from the getgo, in that there were some token attempts to explain how she had been trained non stop since she was a toddler and actually allowed her to not win a couple of fights, but she was definitely one of the seeds of that idea becoming the standard in hack media land.

The fundamental problem is that a lot of lazy writers and producers want the kudos and mythical woke-bucks of a "strong snarky wammen" character, but are either too uncaring or too terrified of shrieking twitter exceptional individuals to give them any actual flaws or failings or weaknesses or fears to balance out the strength and the snark, leading to them being utterly forgettable and charmless.

This is why all these uber powerful and confident and perfect and badass strong female characters of the 2010s combined have yet to capture the barest fragment of the long lasting popularity and audience esteem as the terrified space u-haul officers and confused diner waitresses and endangered princesses of the 1980s
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Not to try to derail too much from this thread, but my biggest problem for me with her and the story is that essentially by season 1 they pretty much have her become a demi-god by the end even though we're supposed to believe that she got seriously nerfed by Amon (and by nerf I mean the writers have him take her fire, earth, and water bending away but somehow for no reason allow her to air bend when she couldn't before). This of course gets exacerbated to 11 in the next season when the writers decided to have her fight an evil god-like spirit and a guy that wants to merge with that as the antagonist which to be honest, as silly as that was, I was still willing to accept it just because the show pretty much had devolved into DBZ level writing where people's power levels kept increasing along with the stakes. The problem is what do you do after that? How can you possibly increase the stakes even further and provide an antagonist actually capable of challenging Korra (never mind her friends) assuming of course they wanted to continue the story which they shouldn't have? The answer is they couldn't and so the show completely collapses in on itself.
 
I've made several remarks about the infantilization of the consumer. By keeping morality in films very simple and characters basic, the idea was to have basically anyone be able to project onto the characters. I think that this has actually damaged the moral development of the newer generations of western society. To whit, I will provide an example.
I agree its done (IMO) in part to fuel "Consumer Product and then get excited to consume next product" mentality
 
Not to try to derail too much from this thread, but my biggest problem for me with her and the story is that essentially by season 1 they pretty much have her become a demi-god by the end even though we're supposed to believe that she got seriously nerfed by Amon (and by nerf I mean the writers have him take her fire, earth, and water bending away but somehow for no reason allow her to air bend when she couldn't before). This of course gets exacerbated to 11 in the next season when the writers decided to have her fight an evil god-like spirit and a guy that wants to merge with that as the antagonist which to be honest, as silly as that was, I was still willing to accept it just because the show pretty much had devolved into DBZ level writing where people's power levels kept increasing along with the stakes. The problem is what do you do after that? How can you possibly increase the stakes even further and provide an antagonist actually capable of challenging Korra (never mind her friends) assuming of course they wanted to continue the story which they shouldn't have? The answer is they couldn't and so the show completely collapses in on itself.
To be entirely fair to you, I don't think that's much of a derail when we compare things to Rey: the power levels just keep climbing higher and higher and higher, and the stakes go from fighting a superweapon to a ragtag group saving the Galaxy to stopping fucking time travel Palpatine from killing everyone across time and space... and yet nothing's changed. The enemies are not a threat as the 'heroes' rapidly outpace them.
 
The fundamental problem is that a lot of lazy writers and producers want the kudos and mythical woke-bucks of a "strong snarky wammen" character, but are either too uncaring or too terrified of shrieking twitter exceptional individuals to give them any actual flaws or failings or weaknesses or fears to balance out the strength and the snark, leading to them being utterly forgettable and charmless.

Joseph Campbell was a cisheterowhite Christian male. Checkmate, hater.

I almost want to see that rumored but shotdown Princess Bride remake now, rewritten through the goggles of 2019 wokedom. I'm starting to think what we need is a collective dark night[ s ] of the soul, to purge this shit from our collective system.

Harry Potter wasnt really a character [nor was a lot of 1990s to present YA characters] and thats who the studios are writing for

I'm not really an HP fan, but I do think he was a character with a silly but still at points interesting character arc. Probably the closest I'll ever come to defending Harry Potter, but I do think that goes a bit too far.😐

Hell, people seem to forget the very first thing we learn about Katniss Everdeen in the Hunger Games book is that she's trying to figure out the easiest way to kill her sister's cat. (Can't remember whether that bit is in the movies, though I suspect it wasn't.) I'm not sure this would fly in 2019, and this from a book published in 2008.
 
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