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Hitler was a crazy German supremacist. He hated Slavs. I understand white nationalism, but the connection to Hitler always baffles me. White nationalist America defeated German supremacist Nazis.

This is a seriously bizarre argument. Hitler didn't think a lot of Slavs. He didn't particularly trust Slavs. But he and his officers were perfectly willing to work with Slavs who proved themselves to be working against the enemies of humanity, hence his near-universal support from emigrant Orthodox clerics except where they fell under the Zionist yoke in America, the same people who support our efforts in the Middle East (while Zionist scum like Ted Cruz call them unChristian for not supporting the murder of Christians by Zionist proxy forces).

Himmler praised the efforts of the Russian SS formations. Hitler was more skeptical of Slavs, due to his upbringing in the waning days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Unfortunate, but entirely understandable.

As for 'White nationalist America'.. what a load of garbage. Whatever the men of those armies felt in their hearts, they were fighting for a totally different cause. Calling those armies the armies of 'White nationalist America' would be as foolish as calling the US forces the Zionists sent to invade Iraq 'Anti-WMD armies'. Both forces fought for Judea and nothing else.

 

[Bum Driller]

No, in my ideology the State exists to serve the race. That you think this only shows your poor grasp of National Socialism. And that ideal State would conserve more tradition than conservatism has - demonstrably, since as I've shown, the liberties you're afforded are given to you by the government, and it can choose to revoke them and use countless measures, legal or otherwise, as soon as you go against its wishes. This is how America has slid into the drain, because conservatism is incapable of actually conserving anything beyond abstract principles, and even those will be lost as the West declines. As I said before, conservatism is a conciliatory position.

Just as an aside, I find it pretty funny that you've conceded defeat, claimed there never was an argument, and then come back to argue some more, in this supposedly nonexistent argument lol. Seems you're pretty angry that some of us see through the conservative charade, and you can say "b-but muh individual rights" but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that conservatism is cowardice and inertia masquerading as a principle.

Give me a fucking break, for surely you can't be serious? National Socialism is about as much about the conservation of "tradition" as your local ufo-contactee group, except it's much more aggressive in promoting things that have nothing to do with "tradition" of any kind. Nazi Germany had stuff like polygamy resorts for singles and literal baby factories(Lebensborn), it's upper echelons practiced a hodge-podge of occult practices based mostly on Theosophy and it was led by people like Himmler, who seriously believed that if the selective breeding program could be maintained for four generations, all Germans would develop psychic powers and be able to levitate and throw lightning bolts. In addition to this Himmler was convinced that he was the reincarnation of some 10th -century German king and took strategic advice from his ghost.

I somehow can understand those people who look up to the Third Reich as a real-life Empire of Mystical Evil, led by literal wizard-kings and guarded by a brotherhood of psychic black knights, but I certainly don't understand that someone can confuse that to mean some kind of traditionalism.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Give me a fucking break, for surely you can't be serious? National Socialism is about as much about the conservation of "tradition" as your local ufo-contactee group, except it's much more aggressive in promoting things that have nothing to do with "tradition" of any kind. Nazi Germany had stuff like polygamy resorts for singles and literal baby factories(Lebensborn), it's upper echelons practiced a hodge-podge of occult practices based mostly on Theosophy and it was led by people like Himmler, who seriously believed that if the selective breeding program could be maintained for four generations, all Germans would develop psychic powers and be able to levitate and throw lightning bolts. In addition to this Himmler was convinced that he was the reincarnation of some 10th -century German king and took strategic advice from his ghost.

I somehow can understand those people who look up to the Third Reich as a real-life Empire of Mystical Evil, led by literal wizard-kings and guarded by a brotherhood of psychic black knights, but I certainly don't understand that someone can confuse that to mean some kind of traditionalism.

But don't you see, "tradition" doesn't mean tradition, it means the aesthetic of traditions built around a thoroughly Modernist philosophy and spirituality! Your Jew-corrupted mind clearly can't understand because you've been educated stupid.

 

[Revo]

I somehow can understand those people who look up to the Third Reich as a real-life Empire of Mystical Evil, led by literal wizard-kings and guarded by a brotherhood of psychic black knights, but I certainly don't understand that someone can confuse that to mean some kind of traditionalism.

Those people have short term memories,because they forgot that usa , uk, france and other western countries had invaded native continents, like America and Africa,before Hitler .

 

[popnloch ness monster]

Give me a fucking break, for surely you can't be serious? National Socialism is about as much about the conservation of "tradition" as your local ufo-contactee group, except it's much more aggressive in promoting things that have nothing to do with "tradition" of any kind.

under the bullshit and lurid anecdotes crafted around Aryan esoterica, under the coating of his learned jewish neuroticism about expanding white birth rates surrounding his perspective on life-affirming, pro-natal policies (trying to shack up singles and encourage births - how novel, how not trad, how horrible!), there's a point in there for people to keep in mind

playing on your good nature to want to seek common ground by insisting nazis were traditionalists (the most extreme their window of discourse permits), and not beyond the pale, as is their assumed belief, is a trick set by your enemies who feign there's common ground to be found if you go there - but they were taught to hate Germans, they don't care for the language you go about using telling them not to - and they hate you, on principle, so no point going there in general

it's better to speak unapologetically - it's persuades those of the same mind, doesn't taint your point via the framework of permitted discourse of your opponent (ie fake & gay American cuckservatism and their notions of traditionalism), and forces your enemy to address your points in full genocidal glory instead of dancing around it with acceptable language and never saying outright that you are cancelled
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but Saint is correct, and Bum Driller is talking past him like an autist - the former is referring to the preservation of a people and the preserving of tradition in a very real sense, by preserving those who birthed, live and carry the tradition into the future, and the latter is (intentionally?) completely out of his depth in a world of abstract ideas about what tradition is and neck deep in magic soil

 

[MZ 052]

Give me a fucking break, for surely you can't be serious? National Socialism is about as much about the conservation of "tradition" as your local ufo-contactee group, except it's much more aggressive in promoting things that have nothing to do with "tradition" of any kind. Nazi Germany had stuff like polygamy resorts for singles and literal baby factories(Lebensborn), it's upper echelons practiced a hodge-podge of occult practices based mostly on Theosophy and it was led by people like Himmler, who seriously believed that if the selective breeding program could be maintained for four generations, all Germans would develop psychic powers and be able to levitate and throw lightning bolts. In addition to this Himmler was convinced that he was the reincarnation of some 10th -century German king and took strategic advice from his ghost.

I somehow can understand those people who look up to the Third Reich as a real-life Empire of Mystical Evil, led by literal wizard-kings and guarded by a brotherhood of psychic black knights, but I certainly don't understand that someone can confuse that to mean some kind of traditionalism.

@kaskadöör pretty much nailed it, but yeah, the tradition retained by National Socialism is the tradition of blood and soil, and cultural traditions that Jews sought to stamp out, and replace with the Weimar culture which you can look up yourself - it's certainly in the interest of tradition to get rid of paedo brothels, for instance, since those were one of many disgusting Jewish cultural imports. The demands of the time were increased birthrates, since Judeo-Bolshevism was rising in the East and preparing to conquer Western Europe, so practical concerns of increasing birthrates took precedence. Although polygamy and premarital sex have always existed in Europe, so it doesn't really prove the point you're trying to make either way. Reincarnation and "magic" are recurrent themes in ancient European folklore and many great figures in the European tradition have believed in them. So again, you've failed to prove your point.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

So is the English translation of Mein Kampf complete bullshit or are Hitler apologists just incapable of the tiny amount of reading between the lines required to understand what Hitler's policy towards the East was? I mean, the ones that don't already call slavs vodkaniggers that had it coming anyway.

I somehow can understand those people who look up to the Third Reich as a real-life Empire of Mystical Evil, led by literal wizard-kings and guarded by a brotherhood of psychic black knights,

That sounds really badass. wtf I love fascism now

 

[popnloch ness monster]

@kaskadöör The demands of the time were increased birthrates, since Judeo-Bolshevism was rising in the East and preparing to conquer Western Europe, so practical concerns of increasing birthrates took precedence. Although polygamy and premarital sex have always existed in Europe, so it doesn't really prove the point you're trying to make either way. Reincarnation and "magic" are recurrent themes in ancient European folklore and many great figures in the European tradition have believed in them. So again, you've failed to prove your point.

the polygamous shit is straight up stalag-fiction tier nonsense intended to conjure in your head images of swingers and degenerates from jewish movies (jewish movies is kind of redundant, but whatever - relevant to realise how incesteous the complex of consensus manufacturing is) - polyamory/-gamy is non-reproductive, breeds contempt and destabilises society, it'd be completely contrary to the purposes of propagating stability and seeing to it that majority of men have a stake in the country (family, children, work, not worrying about sick shit creeping in in society)

I think this shit has a fair bit of origin in the very real origins of the early bolshevism, that actually did things like swapping peoples wives and kids as a flex and shit test of the loyalty of party members, but also as part of the ideology being the breakdown of family as the root of identity (this shit is all very jewish, then and now)

esotericism is a non-issue, it's common, omnipresent, it has no rhetorical effect on the initiated - German esotericists looked towards paganism, Wotan, aryanism, Atlantis, Hyporborea, Aldebaran, Ultima Thule etc etc, Americans cut the tips of their dicks so the screams of babies would deceive their God into thinking human sacrifices have been performed

YIKES

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I gotta admit the polygamy parties and worshiping Odin and Hitler liking women to shit on him stuff all sounds like the kind of made up sensationalism people love to hear about powerful figures.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

So is the English translation of Mein Kampf complete bullshit or are Hitler apologists just incapable of the tiny amount of reading between the lines

they are and they aren't, you aren't reading into the subtext of anything if the translation goofed up in the first place and you'll have a hard time doing it if it does do it justice (I could recommend you, but I don't think you're interested)

not to insult the whole English speaking world, but your language is kind of retarded in many ways and it gets worse with concepts that you're primed to perceive a certain way ie master race vs Herrenvolk: the former informs you quite differently, comes primed with the taboo of racial supremacy, but from the latter you can intuitively pull further meaning from and that meaning doesn't quite fit neatly into the commonly taught arc of the victory march of progressivism, from rubes to enlightened

reading a foreign language text is a minefield for such missing transfers of meaning and knowledge, and that's where one's conditioning starts to fill the gaps

Greeks had separate words for varieties of love and affection to capture their nuances and in a very fundamental way it informed how they formulated their thoughts; in English, progressives have the tools for monstrosities like "love is love" and to mean it in earnest

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

the polygamous shit is straight up stalag-fiction tier nonsense intended to conjure in your head images of swingers and degenerates from jewish movies (jewish movies is kind of redundant, but whatever - relevant to realise how incesteous the complex of consensus manufacturing is) - polyamory/-gamy is non-reproductive, breeds contempt and destabilises society, it'd be completely contrary to the purposes of propagating stability and seeing to it that majority of men have a stake in the country (family, children, work, not worrying about sick shit creeping in in society)

I think this shit has a fair bit of origin in the very real origins of the early bolshevism, that actually did things like swapping peoples wives and kids as a flex and shit test of the loyalty of party members, but also as part of the ideology being the breakdown of family as the root of identity (this shit is all very jewish, then and now)

esotericism is a non-issue, it's common, omnipresent, it has no rhetorical effect on the initiated - German esotericists looked towards paganism, Wotan, aryanism, Atlantis, Hyporborea, Aldebaran, Ultima Thule etc etc, Americans cut the tips of their dicks so the screams of babies would deceive their God human sacrifices have been performed

YIKES

That has nothing to do with circumcision and I suspect you know it. Furthermore, I suspect that you know you know it, but you aren't interested in truth or falsehood, regardless of your claims to the contrary. If it harms your cause, it is to be rejected, and if it helps your cause, it is to be accepted, regardless of the actual truth value. Truth is secondary to victory and defense of the ideology. This is typical of the diseased mindset of a fanatic: if your beliefs do not align with the facts, you must change the facts to fit your beliefs. Jews are evil, therefore everything they do and say is proof of their evil. Jews live in the ghettos- see, they keep to themselves because of their contempt and hatred for gentiles! Jews try to join the body cultural- see how the perfidious Jew seeks to infiltrate the gentiles to poison them with his lies! Jews practice their faith- the Jew worships his demonic false God. Jews forsake their faith- the Jew believes nothing and serves only himself. Jews adopt Christianity- the Jew tries to hide its nature, pilpul, pilpul! Jews live amongst Gentiles- Foreign invaders, crawl back to your own nations or we will destroy you! Jews return to Israel- the Jews scheme in their homeland to harm us and oppress the Palestinian, they must be destroyed!
Despite whatever rationales you speak about how you simply want Jews out of your land, or despise their culture rather than them, the truth is that your ideology will not be satisfied until every last Jew is slaughtered. And then you will have to pick a new group to blame all the ills of society on.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

That has nothing to do with circumcision and I suspect you know it. Furthermore, I suspect that you know you know it, but you aren't interested in truth or falsehood, regardless of your claims to the contrary. If it harms your cause, it is to be rejected, and if it helps your cause, it is to be accepted, regardless of the actual truth value. Truth is secondary to victory and defense of the ideology. This is typical of the diseased mindset of a fanatic: if your beliefs do not align with the facts, you must change the facts to fit your beliefs. Jews are evil, therefore everything they do and say is proof of their evil. Jews live in the ghettos- see, they keep to themselves because of their contempt and hatred for gentiles! Jews try to join the body cultural- see how the perfidious Jew seeks to infiltrate the gentiles to poison them with his lies! Jews practice their faith- the Jew worships his demonic false God. Jews forsake their faith- the Jew believes nothing and serves only himself. Jews adopt Christianity- the Jew tries to hide its nature, pilpul, pilpul! Jews live amongst Gentiles- Foreign invaders, crawl back to your own nations or we will destroy you! Jews return to Israel- the Jews scheme in their homeland to harm us and oppress the Palestinian, they must be destroyed!
Despite whatever rationales you speak about how you simply want Jews out of your land, or despise their culture rather than them, the truth is that your ideology will not be satisfied until every last Jew is slaughtered. And then you will have to pick a new group to blame all the ills of society on.

wow, so much jewish fragility

edit: ok, I'll elaborate

before everything else, at the heart of the dysfunction is a very simple thing - jews don't police their own, end of

intertribal relations depend on the ability for tribes to self-police - when someone acts out of line, his own kin bring him in line - a murder of another is answered by the offender's own to deliver satisfaction to the victimised party

jews don't operate in this manner, Europeans do

jewish history is a ceaseless saga of trying get one over the gentile, of attaching themselves to the upper echelons of gentile power as the "power behind power", of parasitising and corrupting

jewish usury is an exploitation of gentile labour

jewish law is an exploitation of gentile justice

jewish ideologies are all attempts to assume control of gentile societies with jews themselves at the top, controlling both sides of the debate

Israel is a safe harbour for international jewish criminals, it does not extradite, not even at the request of the US

everywhere jews are, everywhere they go, jews push and push and push and push - it's called chutzpah, audacity, and they celebrate it

 

[TitanWest]

Well, I'm not so cynical to believe that separation is inevitable, it worked for decades, if people could just learn to tune out the reactionaries, why couldn't it continue to work?

I hate to pull the "current year" card but it is the 21st century, mankind doesn't have to live the same way it's always lived forever, there can be an appropriate raising of consciousness just like we learned that washing our hands kills germs, we can learn good, new habits.

We've been going through some rough shit this decade because the internet has changed the game and given bad people voices they never had before and we've not yet learned how to handle that, but that doesn't mean we won't and have to throw our hands up on 50 years of progress.

Of course, maybe I'm just being optimistic.

You're right, we have changed a lot. However, it's been mostly in the fields of science and technology. The fundamentals of human nature haven't changed. Charlie Chaplin's speech at the end of "The Great Dictator" talked of the "aeroplane" and "radio" bringing mankind together. But that didn't stop WWII from happening.

You're acting in good faith and it was good talking with you. If you're interested feel free to listen to/watch the several videos I posted in my previous several posts in this thread. They cover far more than I have here and much more articulately than I can.

 

[Bum Driller]

@kaskadöör @Saint Mengele :

Look, I know the point you guys are coming from, for once upon a time I trod a similar path. Fumes of racial supremacy are one hell of a drug, I give you that. But just like huffing any other fumes, they rot your brain and make you think the darndest things. And that is what the people peddling such vices are going after. You are nothing but a tool and a building block for someone elses ambitions, and should your "leaders" ever get to the power, people like you are the first to get the bullet.

wow, so much jewish fragility

edit: ok, I'll elaborate

before everything else, at the heart of the dysfunction is a very simple thing - jews don't police their own, end of

intertribal relations depend on the ability for tribes to self-police - when someone acts out of line, his own kin bring him in line - a murder of another is answered by the offender's own to deliver satisfaction to the victimised party

jews don't operate in this manner, Europeans do

jewish history is a ceaseless saga of trying get one over the gentile, of attaching themselves to the upper echelons of gentile power as the "power behind power", of parasitising and corrupting

jewish usury is an exploitation of gentile labour

jewish law is an exploitation of gentile justice

jewish ideologies are all attempts to assume control of gentile societies with jews themselves at the top, controlling both sides of the debate

Israel is a safe harbour for international jewish criminals, it does not extradite, not even at the request of the US

everywhere jews are, everywhere they go, jews push and push and push and push - it's called chutzpah, audacity, and they celebrate it

I'm confused, for you apparently forgot to mention that they drink the blood of the innocent gentile babies also. What gives?

Have you ever thought out that the jews might not have become bankers and practiced usury IF anything else would have been available to them in the medieval Europe(To be fair, they did some menial jobs too, but no-one remembers that because it can't be used to attack them)? Rest of that bullshit is so far out there that there really isn't point to continue discussion. Suffice to say that you've managed to reach the same levels of "enlightenment" as this one dude I knew years ago, who used to tell me: "Don't you see? It's not enough that we hate all foreigners, we also must devote all our waking moments to thinking about them!"

 

[Recoil]

nibbas in this thread actually fell for the natsoc meme.

Be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

Have you ever thought out that the jews might not have become bankers and practiced usury IF anything else would have been available to them in the medieval Europe

oh come on, seriously?

the natural jewish mode of subsistence is women working while the men lay around studying their holy texts and debating how to circumvent their God's laws (and it's not judged by the merits of one's arguments, by the way, but who jews the other jew the best and is largely performative) - I am not exaggerating, I am not being funny, I am not being outrageous, jews have absolutely no qualms about this shit themselves

their populations are extremely "top" heavy, meaning they produce an abundance of people inclined to intellectual work (kike shit, not work), but they don't produce labourers - jews HATE physical labour and jews don't build successful countries on their own because their genes are skewed in such a way that they do not produce the population segments necessary for the formation of a state from the bottom up - left on their own they'd kike each other to death

they need a host, they need to parasitise, and they need to not integrate so as not to become dissolute in the process

 

[Stoneheart]

the polygamous shit is straight up stalag-fiction tier nonsense intended to conjure in your head images of swingers and degenerates from jewish movies (jewish movies is kind of redundant, but whatever - relevant to realise how incesteous the complex of consensus manufacturing is) - polyamory/-gamy is non-reproductive, breeds contempt and destabilises society, it'd be completely contrary to the purposes of propagating stability and seeing to it that majority of men have a stake in the country (family, children, work, not worrying about sick shit creeping in in society)

They had some strange breeding programs,

 

[popnloch ness monster]

They had some strange breeding programs,

is the issue that their breeding programs were particularly strange among the breeding programs of the world or that breeding programs are strange in themselves? tbh I'm not seeing the issue either way

I don't think women see an issue, either, being that erotic fantasy works like "The Handmaid's Tale" make them gush uncontrollably

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

is the issue that their breeding programs were particularly strange among the breeding programs of the world or that breeding programs are strange in themselves? tbh I'm not seeing the issue either way

I don't think women see an issue, either, being that erotic fantasy works like "The Handmaid's Tale" make them gush uncontrollably

Taboo is a massive aphrodisiac. So they gush uncontrollably in part because they do see an issue. It's why interracial porn searches are more popular in the deep south, and why so many jews actually have a nazi fetish.

 

[Bum Driller]

is the issue that their breeding programs were particularly strange among the breeding programs of the world or that breeding programs are strange in themselves? tbh I'm not seeing the issue either way

I don't think women see an issue, either, being that erotic fantasy works like "The Handmaid's Tale" make them gush uncontrollably

To my knowledge, no other country has had a system of baby-factories, where single women wait in line to be impregnated by "racially pure" males. Then again, people like you probably get a boner from that as it's probably only way you could score some poon. It's probably also "traditional", whatever that word means anymore.