Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

I kinda have to disagree in principle, most of what killed anime in USA was the fact that it was in many cases altered because USA thinks that children are too stupid to understand things, and they also decided to target children audiences with anime.

As some examples Sailor Moon, Sakura Card Captors and Saint Seiya, all 3 altered trying to reach children as target audience and all 3 failed in USA, Latin America got them uncensored and the 3 were very successful... Funnily enough most children grow up watching uncensored Saint Seiya and it is considered one of the best and most popular animes in places like Brazil and Mexico.
Latin America got anime (mainstream) about a decade before the US did and that helped out a bit I think. I'm guessing (similarly) like all the toonami kiddies that grew up watching DBZ Brbrbrbr went thru the same thing but with Cavayeros del Zobacco or w/e it is called other there.
 
I kinda have to disagree in principle, most of what killed anime in USA was the fact that it was in many cases altered because USA thinks that children are too stupid to understand things, and they also decided to target children audiences with anime.

As some examples Sailor Moon, Sakura Card Captors and Saint Seiya, all 3 altered trying to reach children as target audience and all 3 failed in USA, Latin America got them uncensored and the 3 were very successful... Funnily enough most children grow up watching uncensored Saint Seiya and it is considered one of the best and most popular animes in places like Brazil and Mexico.
I thought it was Toonami imploding in the late 00s due to a CN CEO wanting kids reality TV in Burgerland. DBZ and YGO got the dumb end of localization and were popular regardless.
 
I thought it was Toonami imploding in the late 00s due to a CN CEO wanting kids reality TV in Burgerland. DBZ and YGO got the dumb end of localization and were popular regardless.
That was more the second stage, first was I think in the 80s also toonami was reruns for most Mexican audiences, Dragon Ball and DBZ where in open tv way before Toonami.

Latin America got anime (mainstream) about a decade before the US did and that helped out a bit I think. I'm guessing (similarly) like all the toonami kiddies that grew up watching DBZ Brbrbrbr went thru the same thing but with Cavayeros del Zobacco or w/e it is called other there.
There were a big number of anime, and most were received quite well in some sectors, Heidi is probably an anime that any child from the 80s or 90s has seen some episodes of, Dragon Ball was in open tv well into the 2000s and Caballeros del Zodiaco (in a funny side note sobaco means armpit) was a big deal with young boys, and girls, the Netflix remake had a very bad reaction in Latin America, probably worse than in USA.

Edit.
For context the original Netflix trailer had 25k thumbs down on YouTube

The Latin American version had 45k thumbs down.
 
That was more the second stage, first was I think in the 80s also toonami was reruns for most Mexican audiences, Dragon Ball and DBZ where in open tv way before Toonami.


There were a big number of anime, and most were received quite well in some sectors, Heidi is probably an anime that any child from the 80s or 90s has seen some episodes of, Dragon Ball was in open tv well into the 2000s and Caballeros del Zodiaco (in a funny side note sobaco means armpit) was a big deal with young boys, and girls, the Netflix remake had a very bad reaction in Latin America, probably worse than in USA.
My point (when I replied to I Love Beef Curtains) was that kids usually enjoy/grow to like anime when they see it at an early age. Nowadays I see kids waking with shonen/AoT t shirts and I see it no different than when kids would wear DB shirts when I was in school. Keyword anime. Webtoon/american imitation is mostly followed by teens and young adults.
 
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Maybe by physical stalking he meant pulling things from his daughter wife's very public social media. Here's a few for good measure.

Irony (and sorry)
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Everyday she looks more and more like a preteen boy. Is that what Shame prefers?
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And Shame looks more girly...is he wearing eye makeup??
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Oh....more irony. Chair-kun. Shame's chair is going through much....much worse
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"I married her at 19!" "I mean, I met her at 18" "Well, we passed in the hallway at 17" "A 30 year old man rescued me from a predator at 16."

Do I hear 15?
 
"I married her at 19!" "I mean, I met her at 18" "Well, we passed in the hallway at 17" "A 30 year old man rescued me from a predator at 16."

Do I hear 15?
Normally the story of a 30-year-old man saving a 17-year-old from a sexual predator would be nothing but commendable, but somehow Shane screws up even that.
 
Fucking savage, but I still didn't see a single good thing about said webtoon.
(proceeds to eat a bag full of Chester's Hot Fries and an Arizona Ice Tea) Well, I'll help break things down for you. No, I am not doing this to be patronizing.

RWBY has garnered an audience by:

1. Being more "video game" inspired. When it comes down to the West, anime and video games are hand in hand in plenty of cases. Not only is there art direction, but it's also how the most likely way plenty of people know about the style than the medium when it came out West, and this builds off this association. The series being in 3D also helps subconsciously emphasizes this, and as well as the story. It has also a more streamlined setting and established world you wouldn't find out of place in an JRPG.

2. Being less Japanese-y but at the same time being less mainstream American and more fringe scene/underground thought appealing. Clearly this has shown the double edged nature with which the show's studio has showcased us, but it fulfills everything that the American and Western teen geek scene finds cool and what not, at least when it started.

3. Actually being anime like in visuals and art direction. What kills a lot of amerime is how the style is mostly shit because it tries too hard to be unique and original but the style comes out as mangled as an incest borne waterbrained baby from a brother and sister couple. RWBY didn't really hit all of the notes, but for the most part, most people didn't vomit at the screen and were thrilled with something that looks like it could have come from Japan.

That's how it got the viewers in the first place. Unfortunately, SJW faggotry and virtuesignaling is as fatal as AIDS.
 
(proceeds to eat a bag full of Chester's Hot Fries and an Arizona Ice Tea) Well, I'll help break things down for you. No, I am not doing this to be patronizing.

RWBY has garnered an audience by:

1. Being more "video game" inspired. When it comes down to the West, anime and video games are hand in hand in plenty of cases. Not only is there art direction, but it's also how the most likely way plenty of people know about the style than the medium when it came out West, and this builds off this association. The series being in 3D also helps subconsciously emphasizes this, and as well as the story. It has also a more streamlined setting and established world you wouldn't find out of place in an JRPG.

2. Being less Japanese-y but at the same time being less mainstream American and more fringe scene/underground thought appealing. Clearly this has shown the double edged nature with which the show's studio has showcased us, but it fulfills everything that the American and Western teen geek scene finds cool and what not, at least when it started.

3. Actually being anime like in visuals and art direction. What kills a lot of amerime is how the style is mostly shit because it tries too hard to be unique and original but the style comes out as mangled as an incest borne waterbrained baby from a brother and sister couple. RWBY didn't really hit all of the notes, but for the most part, most people didn't vomit at the screen and were thrilled with something that looks like it could have come from Japan.

That's how it got the viewers in the first place. Unfortunately, SJW faggotry and virtuesignaling is as fatal as AIDS.
Cool so the shows main draw was being indecisive and people enjoyed that. For me it felt flat and I didn't bother much with it so I had no idea it went SJW. But then again what western toon hasn't gone SJW?
 
I just read the Dao of Dragonball "interview" of Lemoine... :story:

Jesus Christ did these people slip in the shower and decide to write articles?

Not even a point in linking it because it's literally just asking a bunch of questions Lemoine non-comments, and then fallates Chupp.

My favorite part is how Dao just decides to believe everything Lemoine says as fact because Ty didn't respond for comment.

I can't stand these whiny little egoists who jut write hit pieces because because theyre mad senpai didnt notice them

This isn't reddit, why even post about content if you're too emotional to link to it? where do you think you're posting?

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Monica Rial’s Lawyer Comments on Vic Mignogna’s Case Dismissal
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Now that Vic Mignogna’s case has been dismissed, how does the attorney for the Defense respond? Hear from J. Sean Lemoine in this exclusive interview.
On October 5, I published an article titled Vic Mignogna’s Case: DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.
The article details the results of Vic Mignogna’s case against the Defendants Monica Rial, Ron Toye, Jamie Marchi, and FUNimation, with a complete dismissal of all 17 of Vic’s claims by Judge John Chupp.
During the development of the article I sent questions to Monica Rial and Ron Toye’s lawyer, J. Sean Lemoine, but he was unavailable to respond until Monday morning, October 7, 2019.
J. Sean Lemoine is a Texas anti-SLAPP specialist who runs the Anti-SLAPP Texas website.
The Defendants attempted to use Texas Anti-SLAPP laws to dismiss the claims made by Vic Mignogna under the protections afforded by the right to free speech granted by the U.S. Constitution. The judge ruled in their favor.
Now that Lemoine has responded, I am publishing his response here. I have also added it to the end of the original article as an addendum.
Interview with J. Sean Lemoine
Derek: How do you or your clients respond to Chupp’s judgment?
J. Sean: Ms. Rial and Mr. Toye are very appreciative of the time and attention the Court put into the decision.
Derek: What occurred during the mediation process? Why were the two parties not able to find a middle ground?
J. Sean: Mediation is confidential.
Derek: Do you feel that Chupp took the threats of violence made against him by Vic’s supporters into account in his judgment for mediation? And then again in his final judgment today?
J. Sean: I do not know, but we believe the Court looked at the evidence and the law to make its determination.
Derek: How much money will Vic have to pay in damages? What has the Defendants’ legal expenses accrued to? And how much is an ‘appropriate sanction’? Opinions vary on Twitter from $250 to $750K, but you would know best.
J. Sean: The amount in attorneys’ fees and sanctions is up to the judge, but until submission and ruling, it’s not appropriate to comment.
Derek: How do you feel about Ty’s Tweet proclaiming this is just “Halftime.” Think he will appeal? And if he does appeal, will you continue to represent your clients?


J. Sean: Our hope is that Mr. Mignogna will accept the Court’s determination and put this dispute to rest once and for all. That said, we believe that the Court correctly interpreted the evidence and law, and that the Fort Worth Court of Appeals will do so as well.
Concluding Thoughts
We have a series of matter-of-fact responses here that don’t leave much room for speculation.
J. Sean Lemoine contends that Judge Chupp’s decision was based on the law and the evidence brought into the hearing.
He hopes that Vic Mignogna will accept the ruling and not file for an appeal. But if Vic does appeal, Lemoine believes that the Court of Appeals will rule in the same manner.
J. Sean Lemoine’s succinct responses stand in contrast with those of Vic Mignogna’s lawyer, Ty Beard, who discusses almost every nuance of the case in detail with Nick Rekieta on his livestreams.
I asked to speak with Ty, but did not receive a response.
How do you feel about Lemoine’s answers? Leave your comments below.

Archive everything.
 
Cool so the shows main draw was being indecisive and people enjoyed that. For me it felt flat and I didn't bother much with it so I had no idea it went SJW. But then again what western toon hasn't gone SJW?
But I thought you like NiER and JRPGs? Well, at least with your profile picture.... I'm just saying. I don't blame you though, it's how I felt when everyone went crazy over Teen Titans back in the day when I thought "I can just watch anime? Or classic Batman or Batman Beyond? Instead of this?"

My point (when I replied to I Love Beef Curtains) was that kids usually enjoy/grow to like anime when they see it at an early age. Nowadays I see kids waking with shonen/AoT t shirts and I see it no different than when kids would wear DB shirts when I was in school. Keyword anime. Webtoon/american imitation is mostly followed by teens and young adults.
You know what I mean. Plus that age is ripe with the whole "I wanna be a mangaka!" anime club weeaboo antics, unless teens are that lazy and slacking these days.

I kinda have to disagree in principle, most of what killed anime in USA was the fact that it was in many cases altered because USA thinks that children are too stupid to understand things, and they also decided to target children audiences with anime.

As some examples Sailor Moon, Sakura Card Captors and Saint Seiya, all 3 altered trying to reach children as target audience and all 3 failed in USA, Latin America got them uncensored and the 3 were very successful... Funnily enough most children grew up watching uncensored Saint Seiya and it is considered one of the best and most popular animes in places like Brazil and Mexico.

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Almost forgot, also RWBY is a show that is entirely based on style, many times I have said that If you want to see what is wrong with RWBY all you have to do is read One Piece, One Piece is also a stylish show, but the world building, character development and even the deaths of characters is handled well, unlike RWBY.

You can make many pararels between both shows and most of the time One Piece shows all the mistakes RWBY makes after watching both side by side.

Ah, my Latinosphere friend, that's how it worked in the 1990s for the 2000s turn of the millenium USA anime boom to come about. The real reason why anime "died" out here in the States is because every fan who knew what their standards and cultural defaults for what they like out of the anime they watch, not including Japan source hardcore fans and still strong on going fans, either turned complacent, unproductive, whiny, entitled, and all of the above before coping out for the next cool thing after the 2008 Great Recession, be it the Comics Cinema boom or plain old hipster faggotry, and never returning to support anime and manga in spirit than plain industry wise. You guys may have put out that Brazilian/Latino Mega Man manga where I've heard was bloody and super explicit, yet that was actually released and endorsed by Capcom. You guys own that, half sincere and half sarcastically.

I too agree with that One Piece is like an antithesis of RWBY. I like that comparison.
 
(proceeds to eat a bag full of Chester's Hot Fries and an Arizona Ice Tea) Well, I'll help break things down for you. No, I am not doing this to be patronizing.

RWBY has garnered an audience by:

1. Being more "video game" inspired. When it comes down to the West, anime and video games are hand in hand in plenty of cases. Not only is there art direction, but it's also how the most likely way plenty of people know about the style than the medium when it came out West, and this builds off this association. The series being in 3D also helps subconsciously emphasizes this, and as well as the story. It has also a more streamlined setting and established world you wouldn't find out of place in an JRPG.

2. Being less Japanese-y but at the same time being less mainstream American and more fringe scene/underground thought appealing. Clearly this has shown the double edged nature with which the show's studio has showcased us, but it fulfills everything that the American and Western teen geek scene finds cool and what not, at least when it started.

3. Actually being anime like in visuals and art direction. What kills a lot of amerime is how the style is mostly shit because it tries too hard to be unique and original but the style comes out as mangled as an incest borne waterbrained baby from a brother and sister couple. RWBY didn't really hit all of the notes, but for the most part, most people didn't vomit at the screen and were thrilled with something that looks like it could have come from Japan.

That's how it got the viewers in the first place. Unfortunately, SJW faggotry and virtuesignaling is as fatal as AIDS.
To add two point which are even more important in my opinion, at least that is how I got in to the show and why I stopped watching as well.

1. Fight scenes, fluid well animated and entertaining, the four original trailers are a great showing of that as well as...

2. Music, which was very good in many cases, and helped support the narrative of the show in a way that few shows which aren't musicals do.

The problems that made me quit the show more than the SJW things was that the story went to the pits, 5 volumes with 2 interesting villains 1 whom died a stupid meaningless death and all the other villains are stupid from mister "my sister died to a monster and to get revenge I have allied myself with the person that control said monsters" to miss "I want power... And that is all you will ever know of my motivations."

Even KickVic has more well developed villains, from Ron Toye's non-existent self worth making him lash out like a baby making a tantrum to anyone, including his wives. To CPAP hobo lawyer who is so meaningless he screams for people to sue him and not even lawyers that can use the legal system at low cost want to sue him, mainly because his worth both as a lawyer and as a human being is in the negative digits.
 
He keeps saying he's protecting his family yet he didn't mention his family till hours later, that spreg was all about nick. He thinks he's some high evolutionary villain when he's just a petty fat thief.
He wants to protect his family, yet he gives out his address publically on Youtube, telling people to come see him of they got a problem.
 
This isn't reddit, why even post about content if you're too emotional to link to it? where do you think you're posting?

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Monica Rial’s Lawyer Comments on Vic Mignogna’s Case Dismissal
j sean lemoine attorney

Now that Vic Mignogna’s case has been dismissed, how does the attorney for the Defense respond? Hear from J. Sean Lemoine in this exclusive interview.
On October 5, I published an article titled Vic Mignogna’s Case: DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.
The article details the results of Vic Mignogna’s case against the Defendants Monica Rial, Ron Toye, Jamie Marchi, and FUNimation, with a complete dismissal of all 17 of Vic’s claims by Judge John Chupp.
During the development of the article I sent questions to Monica Rial and Ron Toye’s lawyer, J. Sean Lemoine, but he was unavailable to respond until Monday morning, October 7, 2019.
J. Sean Lemoine is a Texas anti-SLAPP specialist who runs the Anti-SLAPP Texas website.
The Defendants attempted to use Texas Anti-SLAPP laws to dismiss the claims made by Vic Mignogna under the protections afforded by the right to free speech granted by the U.S. Constitution. The judge ruled in their favor.
Now that Lemoine has responded, I am publishing his response here. I have also added it to the end of the original article as an addendum.
Interview with J. Sean Lemoine
Derek: How do you or your clients respond to Chupp’s judgment?
J. Sean: Ms. Rial and Mr. Toye are very appreciative of the time and attention the Court put into the decision.
Derek: What occurred during the mediation process? Why were the two parties not able to find a middle ground?
J. Sean: Mediation is confidential.
Derek: Do you feel that Chupp took the threats of violence made against him by Vic’s supporters into account in his judgment for mediation? And then again in his final judgment today?
J. Sean: I do not know, but we believe the Court looked at the evidence and the law to make its determination.
Derek: How much money will Vic have to pay in damages? What has the Defendants’ legal expenses accrued to? And how much is an ‘appropriate sanction’? Opinions vary on Twitter from $250 to $750K, but you would know best.
J. Sean: The amount in attorneys’ fees and sanctions is up to the judge, but until submission and ruling, it’s not appropriate to comment.
Derek: How do you feel about Ty’s Tweet proclaiming this is just “Halftime.” Think he will appeal? And if he does appeal, will you continue to represent your clients?


J. Sean: Our hope is that Mr. Mignogna will accept the Court’s determination and put this dispute to rest once and for all. That said, we believe that the Court correctly interpreted the evidence and law, and that the Fort Worth Court of Appeals will do so as well.
Concluding Thoughts
We have a series of matter-of-fact responses here that don’t leave much room for speculation.
J. Sean Lemoine contends that Judge Chupp’s decision was based on the law and the evidence brought into the hearing.
He hopes that Vic Mignogna will accept the ruling and not file for an appeal. But if Vic does appeal, Lemoine believes that the Court of Appeals will rule in the same manner.
J. Sean Lemoine’s succinct responses stand in contrast with those of Vic Mignogna’s lawyer, Ty Beard, who discusses almost every nuance of the case in detail with Nick Rekieta on his livestreams.
I asked to speak with Ty, but did not receive a response.
How do you feel about Lemoine’s answers? Leave your comments below.

Archive everything.
People were already ahead of you. Still it's better to safe than sorry I suppose.

 
He wants to protect his family, yet he gives out his address publically on Youtube, telling people to come see him of they got a problem.
I'm kinds worried about his kids safety.
It's actually ironic that he gives no shits about the safety of his family, and it is also idiotic how he is setting up a dumb example of being a parent.
 
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