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I don't buy that, because there have already been plenty of science fiction settings that take Islam as an inspiration for its in-house religion and you can immediately tell that Islam was used as the source. Dune, for example, is all about Islam - from the uniting of desert tribes, to a messianic never-wrong leader, to predestination making free will and any hope of non-authoritarian government not only untenable but undesirable; and what's more why all of these things are maybe what humans would prefer to be true but would actually be horrible and frightening if they were and that one should never want to have or want to be a messianic figure. Probably the only thing that keeps Dune from being 'the story of Muhammad in Space' is that the Muhammad stand-in has the lifestory of Gaius Octavius before he became Emperor Augustus mixed in with Lawrence of Arabia to keep the story from seeming too based on the distant past to be possible in the distant future. And indeed, the idea of "past as prologue" is very much at the heart of Dune. A Handmaid's Tale, on the other hand, is about one thing and one thing only: that Christian fundamentalists are a threat to woman's "reproductive rights". It's set in America, its antagonists are Christian Fundamentals, and the book was written at the height of the Reagan administration; nothing about the Republic of Gilead resembles the Islamic Republic of Iran in any way outside of both are theocratic and were the result of revolution. And more to the point, what is the message of the miniseries being released today? That Christian fundamentalists are going to eliminate "a woman's right to choose". Same in 2019 as it was in 2000, which was the same as it was in the 1980's and early 90's. It's all about Roe vs. Wade, any assertion to the contrary is a smokescreen. All modern feminists can think about is getting abortion taken away from them and how economically liberating abortion has been for western women; and how TERRIBLE it would be for a woman to sacrifice her life or career to raise something as monstrous and voraciously all consuming as her own child. Never bat an eye at genital mutilation in Africa and the Middle East, never bat an eye at burkas or hijabs, never bat an eye at China's forced sterilizations to ensure compliance with one child policy. All of those horrors incomparable to the thought of a world without Roe vs Wade!

Which is where all the fears of a Christian theocracy come from. Because that's just a metaphor for a republican administration that has the balls to challenge their society-destroying hedonistic bullshit in court.

If you're talking about the Hulu miniseries, you are dead on the money with that one. The TV show really is just a screed for radfem euphoric atheism and I wouldn't be surprised if the newer seasons are rife with TDS, but the novel itself was originally meant as an allegory for the Iranian Revolution. Margaret Atwood herself outright said as much when the book was first published in the 80's.

The things you bring up regarding the novel's depiction of Gilead has more to do with Atwood's writing abilities than it does anything else though.

The fanbase is horrible though, and that applies to the book and the show.
 
this pretty much exemplifies the average IQ of people who use twitter. he's referencing women serving in the military as a whole, not women in the room or at the dinner hosted by trump.

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You forgot to mention Animal Farm (and Idiocracy to a lesser extent) but otherwise you're dead on the money.



The AIDS epidemic was caused by both government inaction and gay apathy. To understand why the gay community was as foolhardy as they were during the initial epidemic, you've got to understand both the hedonism of 1970's gay life that allowed the AIDS pandemic to happen in the first place and the bitter repression of the pre-Stonewall era that came before that.

Before Stonewall, there was no real organized "gay community" for the most part as homosexuality was considered a crime in most states and even in the few places it was legal or quasi-legal, it was severely stigmatized.

There were small communities and illegal gay bars in major cities if you knew where to look, but even if you were living in somewhere like San Francisco or New York City, you might not know where these places were as there was a lot of secrecy and it was all about knowing the right people. A lot of gay men back in the 1950's and 1960's were alone and isolated, and you had a lot of gay teens around that same era who felt even more alienated.

Even the gay nightlife that was there in the 50's and 60's was fairly mundane and sedate. Your average gay bar would be like a normal bar, save for the occasional drag queen or leather dude. Even the fucking leather community were just gay bikers and veteran associations back in those days (the so-called "Old Guard") and the Stonewall Tavern itself was seen as one of the seedier gay bars in New York back in the 60's. Gay bathhouses were even fewer and farther between than gay bars and were actually looked down on by the gay community in the Post-WWII/Pre-Stonewall era

When the Stonewall Riots happened, it actually was a big deal for the gay community. Similar organizations appeared for the lesbian community and the transgender fringe, and this all sort of coalesced into the modern LGBT Community in the early 70's.

Another thing that happened in the early 70's that was even more important than Stonewall was the DSM-III removing homosexuality and bisexuality from the list of mental illnesses. This was more important than even Stonewall was, since it led to a lot of states and localities decriminalizing homosexuality.

Naturally, you saw the rise of bathhouses and gay bars became a lot more shady and party-hardy. The bathhouses went from being a dark place of ill repute to the centers of the gay community in major cities during the 70's.

Of course, this all tied into a wider cultural phenomenon of hedonism and sexual promiscuity in the 1970's. There was the Sexual Revolution, The Golden Age of Porn, and the "Free Love" of the 60's counterculture finally going mainstream.

The gay community in the 1970's was basically a distillation of the wider sexual culture norms of the time.

Since gay men don't get pregnant, nobody wore condoms. It was the norm to go bareback since most STD's known at the time were often easily cured with antibiotics. If you caught syphilis or the clap at some bathhouse, you'd just go to the doctor, take some antibiotics for a few weeks, then go back to the bathhouse to have sex with anything that moved.

Because HIV has a notoriously long dormancy time with no real symptoms, a lot of people in the second half of the 70's were infected and didn't even know it until they were showing the symptoms of full-blown AIDS, and by then they had spread it around to everyone they were sleeping with. AIDS was one of those black swan events that nobody on either side was able to predict with the knowledge at the time.

Remember, this was also before the internet. Even after AIDS started getting noticed in the early 80's, there was still a lot of misinformation, misconceptions, and downright confusion even after the virus and its modes of transmission were discovered by the CDC.

AIDS was often referred to as "gay cancer" in the early days because the earliest known victims were developing rare skin cancers seemingly out of nowhere. A very common misconception from that time was that the cancers came from overuse of certain party drugs such as "poppers" and the virus still spread like wildfire.

Nobody wanted to believe that the party was over and that AIDS meant that they couldn't keep clinging to the hedonism of the 70's. It didn't help that Reagan was president and was popular among the Religious Right. A lot of gay men often dismissed the warnings of government officials because they were either in denial or thought there was some ulterior motive to closing down the bathhouses.

The history of the AIDS pandemic in America would be a comedy of errors were it not so tragic.

The government was supposed to act on what? Information they didn't have? Information that would be ignored by the primary carriers/Typhoid Marties even if they did have it, because according to your own description here, gays were proto-SJWs who believed that everything was done to victimize them and couldn't have more reasonable motives?

And what would you have had them do? The government's terrible at constructive solutions; and if you have a recalcitrant population unwilling to restrain themselves, you do realize that all the government can do is deter under penalty or forcibly quarantine? And lo and behold, those were declared unconstitutional (because they oppressed the gays, apparently), so...what was left to be done, exactly?

I'm open to there being some government fault here, if it can be proven, but neither "They should have paid less attention to the Cold War and more attention to meeeeeee" nor "What, you expect me to exercise normal adult responsibility? Responsibility is something the government does for you" qualifies as that proof.

I get that the normal reaction nowadays to every problem is "The government oughta", but the government can't oughta when the problem is willfully negligent and irresponsible behavior.
 
The government was supposed to act on what? Information they didn't have? Information that would be ignored by the primary carriers/Typhoid Marties even if they did have it, because according to your own description here, gays were proto-SJWs who believed that everything was done to victimize them and couldn't have more reasonable motives?

And what would you have had them do? The government's terrible at constructive solutions; and if you have a recalcitrant population unwilling to restrain themselves, you do realize that all the government can do is deter under penalty or forcibly quarantine? And lo and behold, those were declared unconstitutional (because they oppressed the gays, apparently), so...what was left to be done, exactly?

I'm open to there being some government fault here, if it can be proven, but neither "They should have paid less attention to the Cold War and more attention to meeeeeee" nor "What, you expect me to exercise normal adult responsibility? Responsibility is something the government does for you" qualifies as that proof.

I get that the normal reaction nowadays to every problem is "The government oughta", but the government can't oughta when the problem is willfully negligent and irresponsible behavior.

They weren't proto-SJW's who constantly saw themselves as "victims" per se, but a lot of them remembered that time before the Stonewall protests (and more importantly, before homosexuality was decriminalized/removed from the DSM)

As for why they didn't trust the government, it wasn't just being in denial and refusing to "grow up" and a lot of them did suspect that the government was going to victimize them. But it was a lot different from the victim mentality of SJW's and at the time, the assumption seemed a lot more reasonable.

There was a real fear that Reagan was going to either reverse a lot of the laws that decriminalized homosexuality or was going to voice his support for state politicians who would. The Reagan Administration was very closely allied with the Religious Right and Reagan himself openly expressed contempt for the Sexual Revolution of the previous decade.

Reagan's "Morning in America" platform during the 1980 Election was basically "The 1960's and 1970's were a mistake" and given the terror of the New Left, the eventual collapse of Nixon's detente, and the many failures and utter hardships of the Carter years, the platform was appealing to your average American.

Here's the thing though, the 1970's was honestly the first time that gay people as a whole were even allowed to legally exist in Western society since the rise of Emperor Constantine*. This was new and uncharted territory and it's usually easier to undo and overturn the legalization of something while it's still within recent living memory.

If you didn't really know the full extent of the AIDS epidemic (and few outside the CDC did in the early part of the crisis) and suddenly federal agents are telling you to shut down the bathhouses and bars less than a decade after they became legal, it wouldn't be that irrational to think there might be an ulterior motive.

The kind of apathy and irresponsibility that the gay community exhibited during the AIDS crisis of the 80's could've only been able to happen at the time it did. The lack of easily accessed information (remember, no internet) and the relative newness of the gay community as a whole played a major role in why the pandemic got as bad as it did.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Stonewall protests and the legalization of homosexuality still happened at the time it did and Reagan still got elected in 1980 and 1984, but HIV first arrives in America in the 1990's instead of the 1970's, with the first known cases of AIDS in the early 2000's instead of the 1980's, I doubt you would've had a scenario where "the band played on" and instead the gay community would've likely taken more responsibility and actively helped the CDC in trying to contain the virus as much as possible.

While the LGBT community wasn't championed in the 1990's and 2000's like they are in the 2010's, there was a lot more tolerance and acceptance compared to the 1970's and 1980's and homosexuality would have been legal for longer, so you probably wouldn't have had any assumptions of an ulterior motive for the government from the gay community.

*-A handful of liberal Nordic countries decriminalized homosexuality in the 1950's, but it was still heavily stigmatized and there were still legal gray areas until Norway legalized gay marriage in 1974.
 
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You forgot to mention Animal Farm (and Idiocracy to a lesser extent) but otherwise you're dead on the money.



The AIDS epidemic was caused by both government inaction and gay apathy. To understand why the gay community was as foolhardy as they were during the initial epidemic, you've got to understand both the hedonism of 1970's gay life that allowed the AIDS pandemic to happen in the first place and the bitter repression of the pre-Stonewall era that came before that.

Before Stonewall, there was no real organized "gay community" for the most part as homosexuality was considered a crime in most states and even in the few places it was legal or quasi-legal, it was severely stigmatized.

There were small communities and illegal gay bars in major cities if you knew where to look, but even if you were living in somewhere like San Francisco or New York City, you might not know where these places were as there was a lot of secrecy and it was all about knowing the right people. A lot of gay men back in the 1950's and 1960's were alone and isolated, and you had a lot of gay teens around that same era who felt even more alienated.

Even the gay nightlife that was there in the 50's and 60's was fairly mundane and sedate. Your average gay bar would be like a normal bar, save for the occasional drag queen or leather dude. Even the fucking leather community were just gay bikers and veteran associations back in those days (the so-called "Old Guard") and the Stonewall Tavern itself was seen as one of the seedier gay bars in New York back in the 60's. Gay bathhouses were even fewer and farther between than gay bars and were actually looked down on by the gay community in the Post-WWII/Pre-Stonewall era

When the Stonewall Riots happened, it actually was a big deal for the gay community. Similar organizations appeared for the lesbian community and the transgender fringe, and this all sort of coalesced into the modern LGBT Community in the early 70's.

Another thing that happened in the early 70's that was even more important than Stonewall was the DSM-III removing homosexuality and bisexuality from the list of mental illnesses. This was more important than even Stonewall was, since it led to a lot of states and localities decriminalizing homosexuality.

Naturally, you saw the rise of bathhouses and gay bars became a lot more shady and party-hardy. The bathhouses went from being a dark place of ill repute to the centers of the gay community in major cities during the 70's.

Of course, this all tied into a wider cultural phenomenon of hedonism and sexual promiscuity in the 1970's. There was the Sexual Revolution, The Golden Age of Porn, and the "Free Love" of the 60's counterculture finally going mainstream.

The gay community in the 1970's was basically a distillation of the wider sexual culture norms of the time.

Since gay men don't get pregnant, nobody wore condoms. It was the norm to go bareback since most STD's known at the time were often easily cured with antibiotics. If you caught syphilis or the clap at some bathhouse, you'd just go to the doctor, take some antibiotics for a few weeks, then go back to the bathhouse to have sex with anything that moved.

Because HIV has a notoriously long dormancy time with no real symptoms, a lot of people in the second half of the 70's were infected and didn't even know it until they were showing the symptoms of full-blown AIDS, and by then they had spread it around to everyone they were sleeping with. AIDS was one of those black swan events that nobody on either side was able to predict with the knowledge at the time.

Remember, this was also before the internet. Even after AIDS started getting noticed in the early 80's, there was still a lot of misinformation, misconceptions, and downright confusion even after the virus and its modes of transmission were discovered by the CDC.

AIDS was often referred to as "gay cancer" in the early days because the earliest known victims were developing rare skin cancers seemingly out of nowhere. A very common misconception from that time was that the cancers came from overuse of certain party drugs such as "poppers" and the virus still spread like wildfire.

Nobody wanted to believe that the party was over and that AIDS meant that they couldn't keep clinging to the hedonism of the 70's. It didn't help that Reagan was president and was popular among the Religious Right. A lot of gay men often dismissed the warnings of government officials because they were either in denial or thought there was some ulterior motive to closing down the bathhouses.

The history of the AIDS pandemic in America would be a comedy of errors were it not so tragic.

One thing you left out:
Men, largely black men, on the down low.

If there's no condom it's just an accident, that happens from time to time. You get a little drunk, your dick ends up in another dudes butthole, these things happen. No one's a queer, we don't have to talk about it.
If you put on a condom, you were obviously planning to have sex, and that makes you a faggot, and he's gotta beat the shit outta you because balls touched.
 
If you're talking about the Hulu miniseries, you are dead on the money with that one. The TV show really is just a screed for radfem euphoric atheism and I wouldn't be surprised if the newer seasons are rife with TDS, but the novel itself was originally meant as an allegory for the Iranian Revolution. Margaret Atwood herself outright said as much when the book was first published in the 80's.

The things you bring up regarding the novel's depiction of Gilead has more to do with Atwood's writing abilities than it does anything else though.

The fanbase is horrible though, and that applies to the book and the show.

While the TV adaptation of THS has a ton of problems, it also has a couple of bits that redeem it, if not outright subvert the TDS expectations:

1. The writers explicitly junked the wholesale racism of Gilead; in the books, Gilead is explicitly racist and the whole resetttlement angle turns out to be lies spread by Gilead media in terms of ethnically purging the US of all blacks, Jews, and other non-white ethnic groups.

The TV show removes the racism angle 100% and you have white couples with black handmaidens and vice versa. And the writers, when faced with SJW criticism of the racism angle being purged, offed several female women of color in S3 as if to thumb their noses at the SJWs.

2. The writers explicitly state that Gilead would have never happened if not for the lunatic left being sociopathic in trying to silence conservative thought. The Sons of Jacob (who were behind the takeover) didn't exist until SJWs tried to murder Serena (who was rendered unable to have kids from the gunshot wound). Which in turn caused her to go full grimdark and in turn, cause Fred to form the Sons of Jacob to avenge his wife and punish society for what was done to her. The writers even explicitly sidestep one of the plot points of the book, in that June explicitly states (in the novel) that when a similar attempt was made on book Serena, that everyone assumed it was a false flag event to get her sympathy whereas the TV show explicitly states that it wasn't a false flag event and that it was SJW deplatformers that tried to murder her outright to silence Serena for innocently suggesting that women of all races, creed, and religions could stop the inferitlity problem* by staying at home and having kids.

*The infertility angle, BTW, wasn't a plot device but Atwood's environmentalist coming into play as far as her drawing upon fearmongering that the fading ozone, rise in nuclear power, and other environmentalist nightmares, could come true and bite humanity in the ass.
 
It's kind of amazing how the "stalwarts of consevatism" always use their "firmly standing behind" position to fuck 2A in ass?

Reagan signed '86 law on MGs. Trump has already banned bumpstocks and from looks of it, something Red Flag based is likely coming. Compare this to 8 years of Barry who did basically squat in terms of destroying 2a.




That map got to be at least 20 years old. Maine started to get major infusion of Somalies in early 0's, like tens of thousands, but the map says 0.
Reagan also gave us amnesty for illegals, turning the whole southwest blue and eliminating the historic white majority with the stroke of a pen.
 
They weren't proto-SJW's who constantly saw themselves as "victims" per se, but a lot of them remembered that time before the Stonewall protests (and more importantly, before homosexuality was decriminalized/removed from the DSM)

As for why they didn't trust the government, it wasn't just being in denial and refusing to "grow up" and a lot of them did suspect that the government was going to victimize them. But it was a lot different from the victim mentality of SJW's and at the time, the assumption seemed a lot more reasonable.

So the obvious solution is to do what you described, then? Just go nuts on each other and be as wild and careless as possible, despite the known existence of other diseases, some of which were known to be incurable?

If that's what passes for reasonable and responsible in the left's worldview, no wonder you think it's the government's fault a completely preventable disease became an epidemic. And it's a certainty that there will be more, many more.
 
So the obvious solution is to do what you described, then? Just go nuts on each other and be as wild and careless as possible, despite the known existence of other diseases, some of which were known to be incurable?

If that's what passes for reasonable and responsible in the left's worldview, no wonder you think it's the government's fault a completely preventable disease became an epidemic. And it's a certainty that there will be more, many more.

Never said it was the government's fault. Honestly, it was the fault of both sides, and the gay community at the time had the greater share of responsibility in letting it get as bad as it got, even if their motivations were understandable in the context of the time.

Doesn't excuse their apathy and irresponsibility, but it does explain it.

Getting back on topic, I'm interested that Trump getting a Twitch account and seeing what he's gonna do with it.

Considering how much his Twitter account infuriates his critics, a live video platform is bound to generate a lot of lulzy outrage.
 
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Apparently FOX news is now run by Trump Sadly. ... Whoever that is.

"I attacked Trump daily." He says that like it's a mark of pride for a supposed journalist/commentator/whatever that fat cunt claims he is... guess when you're bitching about Fox you don't have to wear the mask that you're actually doing real reporting when you reeee that orange man is bad.
 
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