Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Vault Boy]

Just when you think shit can't get any lower, they somehow find a way to prove you wrong... Remember that book I talked about on the last page that's one of the "super essential journey to IX books you just gotta buy to understand the glory of IX"? Well the book reveals that nu-Han Solo is even more worthless than TFA, Wendig and the new comics implied.

Han Solo Sold Luke's ‘New Hope’ Medal for Booze and It's ‘Star Wars’ Canon

One of Luke Skywalker's prized possessions was sold by Han Solo in order for him to have some bar credit.

movieweb.com

They wrote it so Han sold Luke's fucking Medal of Bravery from A New Hope to Yellow Yoda for cheap booze, and she gets disgusted and calls him a "bastard" for it. Disney really must hate Han. Almost every piece of media he's been in since the Disney buyout is a flat out mockery that demeans him to completely new lows, yet people will defend this shit because "OMG Han's a smuggler and he's always been scruffy trouble maker" while completely ignoring character progression and his development from smuggler to Rebel hero and General. And all thanks to JJ, Kennedy and Ford... Hell even if Ford wanted you to kill off the character, you could still find ways to make him still be great, like make him the head of his own Smuggler's Guild or be second-in-command or bodyguard to his wife. Anything really, but instead he's a big loser who's still smuggling to get by while running from debt collectors while being an indifferent scumbag.

Its all just a painful reminder of how the sequels rendered everything that came before them absolutely meaningless while demeaning past heroes to incredible new lows. Hell even prequel hate at its worst didn't manage to kill people's love for Luke, Han and Leia.

Even Inverse which are usually heavy Disney shills can't hide their disgust.

'Star Wars' book leak reveals Han traded Luke's Yavin medal for booze money

Say it ain't so, Captain Solo.

www.inverse.com

He found a way.

Fucking Disney, I bet a future novel or comic will also reveal that Han was a violent drunk that regularly beats Leia & Ben.

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

 

[Antipathy]

Fucking Disney, I bet a future novel or comic will also reveal that Han was a violent drunk that regularly beats Leia & Ben.

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

White man

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Fucking Disney, I bet a future novel or comic will also reveal that Han was a violent drunk that regularly beats Leia & Ben.

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

totallynotmad.png over George Lucas playing by his own rules of ownership.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Is it just me or it seem like this "story group" is just an annoyance that kills creativity? Don't get me wrong, I know all creatives have editors and such, but they come to me as that annoying person that claimed a Wikipedia article and won't let anyone touch it.

 

[Judge Holden]

Fucking Disney, I bet a future novel or comic will also reveal that Han was a violent drunk that regularly beats Leia & Ben.

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

They think the best way to force people to like the new characters is to tear the old characters down* push them to the sidelines** or warp them into doing nothing but loudly declaring their love for the new characters.***

Its like how shitty fanfic writers deal with characters who might steal their precious original-and-superior character's thunder by having them become bumbling and incompetent morons who must be saved by the OC or empty cheerleaders who do nothing but praise and defend the OC or sekritly be evil rapist monsters who must be humiliated and killed off by the OC.

But then what else can be expected when the story group sources its talent from the same pit of mediocrity and hackery as the comic industry and the TOR tier literature sphere?

When you reward people solely for....

1. having the money to throw around at ghostwriters and publicists
2. having the trendiest views on society and culture among douchebag media people
3. figuratively or literally sucking the right dicks in the industry over any talent

...by giving them writing gigs for shit they never even heard of before, and compound this by giving them lofty sounding awards for books nobody, not even the judges, have ever bothered to read, then you wind up with a pool of talent that is objectively worse than your average fanfiction site.

Atleast your average fanfic writer tends to have some genuine love of a work/genre and some genuine wish to make an audience happy, and they usually do shit for free unless they write smutfics for commission.

For these "professional writers" however, the actual writing process is just a formality best left to ghostwriters and editors in their careers as "award winning ground breaking genre defining novelists" which is why effectively all of these apparently revolutionary figures in the western canon drop off the face of the earth after their ability to pay publicists fees dries up and the bigwigs in the publication world shift attention to the latest dicksucker to buy their attention

* in the case of Han and Luke
** in the case of chewie and the droids
*** in the case of Leia

 

[Kane Lives]

Just when you think shit can't get any lower, they somehow find a way to prove you wrong... Remember that book I talked about on the last page that's one of the "super essential journey to IX books you just gotta buy to understand the glory of IX"? Well the book reveals that nu-Han Solo is even more worthless than TFA, Wendig and the new comics implied.

Han Solo Sold Luke's ‘New Hope’ Medal for Booze and It's ‘Star Wars’ Canon

One of Luke Skywalker's prized possessions was sold by Han Solo in order for him to have some bar credit.

movieweb.com

They wrote it so Han sold Luke's fucking Medal of Bravery from A New Hope to Yellow Yoda for cheap booze, and she gets disgusted and calls him a "bastard" for it. Disney really must hate Han. Almost every piece of media he's been in since the Disney buyout is a flat out mockery that demeans him to completely new lows, yet people will defend this shit because "OMG Han's a smuggler and he's always been scruffy trouble maker" while completely ignoring character progression and his development from smuggler to Rebel hero and General. And all thanks to JJ, Kennedy and Ford... Hell even if Ford wanted you to kill off the character, you could still find ways to make him still be great, like make him the head of his own Smuggler's Guild or be second-in-command or bodyguard to his wife. Anything really, but instead he's a big loser who's still smuggling to get by while running from debt collectors while being an indifferent scumbag.

Its all just a painful reminder of how the sequels rendered everything that came before them absolutely meaningless while demeaning past heroes to incredible new lows. Hell even prequel hate at its worst didn't manage to kill people's love for Luke, Han and Leia.

Even Inverse which are usually heavy Disney shills can't hide their disgust.

'Star Wars' book leak reveals Han traded Luke's Yavin medal for booze money

Say it ain't so, Captain Solo.

www.inverse.com

He found a way.

And Disney wonders why they get brand fatigue. It's not even saturation of content. It's shit like these.

Gee, Bill, why do everyone hate our new films? It can't be because we killed off all these fan-favourite characters and replaced them with our own knock-off brand? Nah, can't be.

EDIT: Found a picture that perfectly encapsulates my feelings towards the franchise at this point:

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

If they're going to character assasinate Han, I just wish they committed to it. Han should have beaten Leia, shaved Chewie, and buttfucked Luke, in front of his son.

Just go for it....

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Disney really must hate Han. Almost every piece of media he's been in since the Disney buyout is a flat out mockery that demeans him to completely new lows, yet people will defend this shit because "OMG Han's a smuggler and he's always been scruffy trouble maker" while completely ignoring character progression and his development from smuggler to Rebel hero and General. And all thanks to JJ, Kennedy and Ford...

I think this is merely the latest example of Kennedy & company promoting their "Force is female" mantra by either rendering male characters incompetent around any female, or flat out shitting on the males (especially ones from the Lucas era). I don't think most fans disliked strong female characters from the PT/OT era such as Padme, Leia, or Mon Mothma. What they take most issue with is any character being made to look good at the expense of shitting on another character and undoing their character development in the name of wokeness.

Han truly did evolve from a smuggler who cared about little more than how many credits he could make from job to job. It's implied that nothing else mattered to him, except maybe Chewie and the 'Falcon. However, Han's having such an up-close and personal encounter with Imperials in ANH drastically changed his worldview, and we see it evolve more in both ESB and RotJ to the point he is highly regarded by the Rebellion and he has come to accept key members as friends, even if those friendships are still too surreal for him to accept and acknowledge out loud. To see Disney do everything they can to undo that is very disappointing. The same people that squawk about the evils of erasure seem all too eager to applaud it when it means characters such as Han Solo or Luke Skywalker have their past character development erased in an attempt to make new characters such as Rey and Holdo look far better than they're portrayed on-screen.

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

White man

FTFY

And Disney wonders why they get brand fatigue. It's not even saturation of content. It's shit like these.

I'd say it's a combination of both brand fatigue and Disney's efforts to make their own SW characters look better and more important by rendering Lucas-era characters increasingly irrelevant and incompetent at life.
[E: Spelling and clarity.]

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Thanks for correcting me. Sort of reminds me of how Disney-Lucasfilm actively tries to replace everything that came before them and expunge them from memory. Try and do an image search on google or anything for stuff like stormtrooper, jedi, lightsaber, droids, star wars, etc and you'll get is sequel shit while OT/Pre-Disney stuff hardly appears.

On a less related note, it still boggles my mind how a show that started 10 years ago still looks better than any CGI shitshow from Disney.

Love it or hate it, you can't deny that Filoni Wars looked fucking amazing compared to this shit.

The decline can also be felt in the networks the animated shows have aired on

Clone Wars aired at late nights on cartoon Network in the programming block just before Adult Swim and later briefly aired reruns on the Toonami revival and featured people getting shot, stabbed, decapitated, getting neck snapped as well as alchohol, minor cursing, terrorism, POW camps, political corruption, and entire episodes devoted to the military industrial complex, and the ethics of using a genetically engineered army

Rebels aired on XD which is basically the disney channel but aimed at a slightly older demographic

Resistance is currently airing on Disney Channel

 

[Ghostse]

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

Han is a popular character the fans love and want more of. But everything they put him in, Lucas gets a cut. So they want to turn fans against him because anything that steals the spot light from their original, woke characyers is bad and must be destroyed.

 

[Übertroon]

Freddie Prinze Jr went on a sperg fest against the fans of SW.

Sit down, shut up, and let Freddie Prinze Jr. explain the entire Star Wars universe to you

The internet does not lack—to put it mildly—for opinions on the Star Wars universe. They’re like tauntauns on Hoth: Everybody’s got one, and they all smell even worse on the inside than you imagined from initial blush.

www.google.com

The "it's for kids" argument is so fucking tired now. Just because Rebels was kiddie to the max, and Disney Star Wars is completely afraid to touch adult subjects, doesn't mean the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy was made for kids, George Lucas didn't want to alienate kids, but it was never intended to be for kids primarily

Saying "it's for kids" is a cheap cop out to excuse a shit product, because only kids are supposed to be dumb enough to buy it, but it's been said so many countless times now how that argument does a disservice to both children and star wars fans

 

[CWCissey]

The "it's for kids" argument is so fucking tired now. Just because Rebels was kiddie to the max, and Disney Star Wars is completely afraid to touch adult subjects, doesn't mean the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy was made for kids, George Lucas didn't want to alienate kids, but it was never intended to be for kids primarily

Saying "it's for kids" is a cheap cop out to excuse a shit product, because only kids are supposed to be dumb enough to buy it, but it's been said so many countless times now how that argument does a disservice to both children and star wars fans

'Star Wars was always for kids'

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Another TLJ shiller!

 

[Übertroon]

I also have to laugh at Freddie stating that people have been misled by the video games how the force works, and that it's the force that decides who wins and not the skills of the hero or the villain. Fucking amazing.

I know a certain video game with something to say about that

 

[knightlautrec]

Another TLJ shiller!
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Is she...(re)tarded? I honesty can't think of any explanation for this blatantly untrue statement about TLJ other than mental disability.

 

[Ghostse]

The "it's for kids" argument is so fucking tired now. Just because Rebels was kiddie to the max, and Disney Star Wars is completely afraid to touch adult subjects, doesn't mean the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy was made for kids, George Lucas didn't want to alienate kids, but it was never intended to be for kids primarily

Saying "it's for kids" is a cheap cop out to excuse a shit product, because only kids are supposed to be dumb enough to buy it, but it's been said so many countless times now how that argument does a disservice to both children and star wars fans

Quick correct, Lucas did target Star Wars at a primarily younger audience. The OT was to be an up-scaled matinee serial. Serials were meant mainly for younger kids, but were have enough entertaining elements to keep older audiences entertained as well.

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Mister Rogers (pbuh) refused to accept 'its for kids' as a legitimate excuse for being a lazy hack. Nigga was out there with hand puppets and a falsetto, in a land of magic, with a show aimed at preschoolers and still managed to have stories that flowed logically and didn't contradict themselves.

I don't think Disney Golden Books need to be cannonically consistent. I don't think Batu needs to completely cannonically and logically consistent if its to give kids an excuse get their pictures taken with diet vader Soylo Ren or for parents to force their kids to get a picture with Rey to show how woke and feminist they are. I don't know anyone who would take issue with that. The problem is they are trying to make the park cannon.

But "jesus its just a show about space wizards for kids" is just an excuse for shoddy, lazy work and lack of effort.
Especially when its not just a shitty show about space wizards. You are meant to feel a connection with the characters, they very clearly meant for audiences to identify with so you will go and buy merch.

tl;dr
It doesn't matter if star wars is supposed to be kids media or not, that's not an excuse for shitty output.
To paraphrase Mister Rogers, If its children's media, then you should be giving the kids the very best you can, not junk you've lazily slopped together.

 

[Übertroon]

Quick correct, Lucas did target Star Wars at a primarily younger audience. The OT was to be an up-scaled matinee serial. Serials were meant mainly for younger kids, but were have enough entertaining elements to keep older audiences entertained as well.

Mister Rogers (pbuh) refused to accept 'its for kids' as a legitimate excuse for being a lazy hack. Nigga was out there with hand puppets and a falsetto, in a land of magic, with a show aimed at preschoolers and still managed to have stories that flowed logically and didn't contradict themselves.

I don't think Disney Golden Books need to be cannonically consistent. I don't think Batu needs to completely cannonically and logically consistent if its to give kids an excuse get their pictures taken with diet vader Soylo Ren or for parents to force their kids to get a picture with Rey to show how woke and feminist they are. I don't know anyone who would take issue with that. The problem is they are trying to make the park cannon.

But "jesus its just a show about space wizards for kids" is just an excuse for shoddy, lazy work and lack of effort.
Especially when its not just a shitty show about space wizards. You are meant to feel a connection with the characters, they very clearly meant for audiences to identify with so you will go and buy merch.

tl;dr
It doesn't matter if star wars is supposed to be kids media or not, that's not an excuse for shitty output.
To paraphrase Mister Rogers, If its children's media, then you should be giving the kids the very best you can, not junk you've lazily slopped together.

From what I've read Lucas intended for it to always be something for the whole family, certainly a lot of its inspiration was certainly not what was at the time considered children's entertainment. But I agree, there is no excuse for children's entertainment to be stupid, of course it's mostly treated as something where crap is acceptable, but some of my favorite entertainment is made for kids primarily

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Is she...(re)arded? I honesty can't think of any explanation for this blatantly untrue statement about TLJ other than mental disability.

Or she's trying to get a rise out of the toxic fandom so she can then complain about how oppressed she is to the other blue checkmarks. Not that the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

I just finished reading the leaks.

Is this autistic fanfiction of a mess seriously what Disney retconned the Yuuzhan Vong for?

 

[Judge Holden]

I just finished reading the leaks.

Is this autistic fanfiction of a mess seriously what Disney retconned the Yuuzhan Vong for?

Sometimes I think this whole nightmare has just been the universe's way of punishing me for posting this about the old star wars EU in a long forgotten thread almost exactly six years ago...

- pretty much my exact reaction to reading these posts now -

I love how literally fucking EVERYTHING i brought up as a condemnation of the old EU has been repeated a thousand times worse in Nu-Star Wars and the Nu-EU....like literally fucking everything I sneered about, all the writing shit, the mary sue shit, the rehash shit....goddamn it even my line of "any new writer will be bound by the eternal list of their predecessors narrative fuckups".....fucking christ...

All of my predictions as to the bright future of the franchise turned to fucking ash and misery, with only my claim of the Holiday Special being better than anything after Return of the Jedi still ironically holding true in the worst way possible. Hell even fucking rifftrax turned to absolute shit once they jumped on the usual REEEE bandwagons come 2014 so that reference aged like milk left out on a pripyat windowsill.

If you niggers take away one lesson....let it be this...

Be really fucking careful what you wish for