Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ghostse]

'Star Wars was always for kids'

Anytime I see that, all I can think of is the REAL story of what happened, as shown in this episode of Troops.

 

[XYZpdq]

Anytime I see that, all I can think of is the REAL story of what happened, as shown in this episode of Troops.

Ah, back when fan flims meant nth gen VHS tapes and nobody looked for a handout via kickstarter or whatever shit.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Seriously, what the fuck is their problem with Han?

I'll add daddy issues to the list.

I swear if you looked into the people writing the woke dreck that always shits on men I'll bet you'd find they grew up with a single mother or their dad is disappointed in them, and doesn't approve of their degenerate lifestyle.

Disney's cheques might be bouncing

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Sometimes I think this whole nightmare has just been the universe's way of punishing me for posting this about the old star wars EU in a long forgotten thread almost exactly six years ago...

- pretty much my exact reaction to reading these posts now -

I love how literally fucking EVERYTHING i brought up as a condemnation of the old EU has been repeated a thousand times worse in Nu-Star Wars and the Nu-EU....like literally fucking everything I sneered about, all the writing shit, the mary sue shit, the rehash shit....goddamn it even my line of "any new writer will be bound by the eternal list of their predecessors narrative fuckups".....fucking christ...

All of my predictions as to the bright future of the franchise turned to fucking ash and misery, with only my claim of the Holiday Special being better than anything after Return of the Jedi still ironically holding true in the worst way possible. Hell even fucking rifftrax turned to absolute shit once they jumped on the usual REEEE bandwagons come 2014 so that reference aged like milk left out on a pripyat windowsill.

If you niggers take away one lesson....let it be this...

Be really fucking careful what you wish for

I know several people who were massively when Disney bought Star Wars who probably want to go back and throttle themselves for being delusional and naive.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Sometimes I think this whole nightmare has just been the universe's way of punishing me for posting this about the old star wars EU in a long forgotten thread almost exactly six years ago...

- pretty much my exact reaction to reading these posts now -

I love how literally fucking EVERYTHING i brought up as a condemnation of the old EU has been repeated a thousand times worse in Nu-Star Wars and the Nu-EU....like literally fucking everything I sneered about, all the writing shit, the mary sue shit, the rehash shit....goddamn it even my line of "any new writer will be bound by the eternal list of their predecessors narrative fuckups".....fucking christ...

All of my predictions as to the bright future of the franchise turned to fucking ash and misery, with only my claim of the Holiday Special being better than anything after Return of the Jedi still ironically holding true in the worst way possible. Hell even fucking rifftrax turned to absolute shit once they jumped on the usual REEEE bandwagons come 2014 so that reference aged like milk left out on a pripyat windowsill.

If you niggers take away one lesson....let it be this...

Be really fucking careful what you wish for

You.....you are responsible for Carrie dying!

Or she consulted a psychic who showed her the future of the franchise and she peaced the fuck out before the backlash.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Sometimes I think this whole nightmare has just been the universe's way of punishing me for posting this about the old star wars EU in a long forgotten thread almost exactly six years ago...

- pretty much my exact reaction to reading these posts now -

I love how literally fucking EVERYTHING i brought up as a condemnation of the old EU has been repeated a thousand times worse in Nu-Star Wars and the Nu-EU....like literally fucking everything I sneered about, all the writing shit, the mary sue shit, the rehash shit....goddamn it even my line of "any new writer will be bound by the eternal list of their predecessors narrative fuckups".....fucking christ...

All of my predictions as to the bright future of the franchise turned to fucking ash and misery, with only my claim of the Holiday Special being better than anything after Return of the Jedi still ironically holding true in the worst way possible. Hell even fucking rifftrax turned to absolute shit once they jumped on the usual REEEE bandwagons come 2014 so that reference aged like milk left out on a pripyat windowsill.

If you niggers take away one lesson....let it be this...

Be really fucking careful what you wish for

It feels downright unreal to me how badly Disney has fucked Star Wars up, In The Mouth of Madness is the perfect metaphor.

I never in a million years would have thought it would go this poorly as to make the Prequels seem desirable in comparison, I mean that would have sounded like a cruel joke: "Imagine if the sequels wind up even worse than the prequels! Heh, no way THAT could ever happen!"

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I know several people who were massively when Disney bought Star Wars who probably want to go back and throttle themselves for being delusional and naive.

I'm one of them. I assumed that they could do a basic, workmanlike cash-in- little of Lucas's virtues, but little of his flaws, either. They had this entire extra canon of work that had already been market tested, and they could just pick over it, grab the stuff they liked, and grind and sand it into something that was... fine. Not Shakespeare, but Star Wars never was.

How the hell do you predict something like this? It's like predicting a pro basketball player will go for the layup, miss, and somehow catch his underwear elastic on the rim thereby get pantsed on national television.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

It feels downright unreal to me how badly Disney has fucked Star Wars up, In The Mouth of Madness is the perfect metaphor.

I never in a million years would have thought it would go this poorly as to make the Prequels seem desirable in comparison, I mean that would have sounded like a cruel joke: "Imagine if the sequels wind up even worse than the prequels! Heh, no way THAT could ever happen!"

I'm one of them. I assumed that they could do a basic, workmanlike cash-in- little of Lucas's virtues, but little of his flaws, either. They had this entire extra canon of work that had already been market tested, and they could just pick over it, grab the stuff they liked, and grind and sand it into something that was... fine. Not Shakespeare, but Star Wars never was.

How the hell do you predict something like this? It's like predicting a pro basketball player will go for the layup, miss, and somehow catch his underwear elastic on the rim thereby get pantsed on national television.

Welcome to Clown World:


1 clown for every Disney Star Wars film.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I know several people who were massively when Disney bought Star Wars who probably want to go back and throttle themselves for being delusional and naive.

"It won't be as bad as the prequels, Disney has this in the bag." - Every Star Wars fan ever

I assumed that they could do a basic, workmanlike cash-in- little of Lucas's virtues, but little of his flaws, either.

That's what a lot of us thought too. That, and they were going to do to Star Wars what they did to Marvel comics--make a lot of simple, kind of bland, yet still effective movies, since Disney promised a Star Wars movie every year until "whenever". TFA was basically this, even if a lot of people slammed it for blatant plagiarism and how awful the last third of the movie was--people were still giving it a benefit of a doubt since it introduced a bunch of new shit and looked like it would set up something cool plus had TR-8R. And Rogue One was the sort of Star Wars movie we all expected Disney to make--functional and workmanlike, kind of empty, but fan-pleasing.

Oh, to go back to those more innocent days before TLJ fucked the franchise in the ass and lifted the blinders from our eyes.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Oh, to go back to those more innocent days before TLJ fucked the franchise in the ass and lifted the blinders from our eyes.

"Before the dark times. Before Rian Johnson..."

 

[ZMOT]

"Before the dark times. Before Rian Johnson..."

still enjoyed solo tho. but have no hope for IX.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

still enjoyed solo tho. but have no hope for IX.

I thought Solo wasn't as bad as critics said. Nevertheless, I do feel that a Star Wars film year after year was going to burn fans out, but TLJ shat the bed and Solo caught the fallout.

 

[Ghostse]

It feels downright unreal to me how badly Disney has fucked Star Wars up, In The Mouth of Madness is the perfect metaphor.

I never in a million years would have thought it would go this poorly as to make the Prequels seem desirable in comparison, I mean that would have sounded like a cruel joke: "Imagine if the sequels wind up even worse than the prequels! Heh, no way THAT could ever happen!"

I know several people who were massively when Disney bought Star Wars who probably want to go back and throttle themselves for being delusional and naive.

I'm one of them. I assumed that they could do a basic, workmanlike cash-in- little of Lucas's virtues, but little of his flaws, either. They had this entire extra canon of work that had already been market tested, and they could just pick over it, grab the stuff they liked, and grind and sand it into something that was... fine. Not Shakespeare, but Star Wars never was.

How the hell do you predict something like this? It's like predicting a pro basketball player will go for the layup, miss, and somehow catch his underwear elastic on the rim thereby get pantsed on national television.

I wouldn't say I was optimistic so much as I thought "Oh good, someone who will take over Star Wars and crank out some entertaining movies and not plodding swill about how much they hate sand. I guess they're going to do Shadows of the Empire because that was the last EU marketing push. They will definitely avoid the pit falls of the PT and give us some classic film."
The worst I expected to see was the original cast, well past their prime, being paraded out for needless cameos.

I remember the Phantom Menance and not being angry, just.... disappointed. Extremely underwhelmed. (85% of AOTC was another story. ROTS I mainly felt that Annakin's "fall" and becoming Vader was....rushed.) I'd softened on PM, and most of the PT, even before nuWars was annouced as a lot since that initial disappointment has faded and I could take a bit more objective view on what Lucas was trying to do - he was going harder on the Upscaled Matinee Serial and to show off his cool new digital toys.
I really, really wish had made....something else, anything else, before PM where he could have gone full digi-sperg to get it out of his system.

I didn't feel anything at all about TFA sucking. Granted I've never watched it, but the PM was a bit of a gut punch. I was ready for Jar Jar to suck thanks to the internet, but I was not ready for the rest of the film to be just so.... bland. I got a bad feeling about this the minute I saw BB-Y, the donut steel R2-D2. I knew things were in really trouble not when they announced the main was going to be female, but when they made a big deal about of the main being a girl, combined with the buzz from the Frozen cult.

Even as the films were....sucking... I never expected them to fuck up THIS badly. I knew things were bad when Solo 'failed'.

I checked out completely on anything Didney Waz when they issued their shitty ruling on EU canon. Its not that I had a great love for a majority of the EU - my hope when Disney bought it, since that was what they were going to explore was the EU stuff, was they were going to give the canon tree a much-needed pruning. Go through that morass and say, definitively "In" or "Out", and clear up some of the contradictory stuff from decades of writers priortizing short-term plot over long term consistency*.

It was like DC when they did their "new 52" shit. There is a difference between "We've got decades of multiple cooks doing potentially their own thing, sometimes actively and purposely undoing the work of others. Its a confusing mess and its preventing us from bringing in new fans, so we're going to decanonize some shit to streamline the character history so reading a 50-page wiki article isn't needed to understand the hero's beef with Stilt-Man." and "We're chucking everything in the trash, its all equally gay and pointless now. Except of the bits we want to use later. We don't know what those bits are, we'll tell you what they are as we cannibalize them in unoriginal ways".

At the end of the day, its all nerd shit and none of it matters. And you are also a consumer, its all done to push product. But when they just straight destroy the previous canon that they were pushing hard for you to care about, it just highlights "Oh, they really don't give a shit about this. So why should I?"
I know other posters have said it doesn't matter what Disney considers canon or not. And while there's a lot of truth to that, it does matter if you want to continue to enjoy new stuff set in the universe.

*Which isn't to say this is bad, necessarily. I'm ok with flexing canon a bit to make an individual story entertaining. But do that enough, it adds up, which again isn't a problem as long as you've got someone going through and reconning things.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I did not expect great things from Disney, I didn't expect them to be as good as the original trilogy and I predicted there would probably be some disappointment from some ultra die hard fans.

But I did think they would be solid, about as good as the Marvel films as other have said, I never could have imagined the situation we're now in, it's flat out surreal.

The modern world is a surreal place that doesn't even really feel real sometimes.

 

[Owen Grady]

Are we all from the same timeline in here? Because I recall people being furious about Disney buying out Star Wars.

But I only remember this because I felt like I was the only one who was fairly indifferent about it at the time. Almost everyone I talked to, everywhere I saw online when the buyout happened, other Star Wars fans were lamenting over the fact that Disney had done this, fearing the worst for the franchise. Years later, I went in to The Force Awakens in 2015 with no expectations. I figured hey, everyone seemed to be upset about this buyout but you know, let's give Disney a chance and see what they can do with it. Roughly two hours later, for the first time in my entire life, I exited a theater actually fuming and angry at a movie for wasting my fucking time. All of these fans I had seen pissing and moaning about Disney in 2012 were suddenly singing their praises and rejoicing about how wonderful this objectively shitty excuse for a film was, and this fucking garbage pile took the undeserved spot of highest grossing movie ever.

I would explain to my friends and family, logically and factually, why this movie didn't make any sense. Why it was a complete unoriginal rehash and why Rey was and still is the worst character I have ever seen in any high budget entertainment production of any kind. They would listen and they would acknowledge my arguments with understanding but they would naively hold on to their opinions and insist that this cinematic abortion was still the best movie they had ever seen. I could not get through to anybody about this.

And then The Last Jedi came out. And it wasn't a wake up call for me. It was merely my "I told you so" to everybody else.

I have noticed over the years following the release of TLJ, an increase in people claiming optimism after the Disney-Lucasfilm buyout. I wonder if they are telling the truth or not, because I only remember people being upset about it before immediately about-facing after the TFA nostalgia wankfest of 2015.

 

[Ghostse]

Are we all from the same timeline in here? Because I recall people being furious about Disney buying out Star Wars.

But I only remember this because I felt like I was the only one who was fairly indifferent about it at the time. Almost everyone I talked to, everywhere I saw online when the buyout happened, other Star Wars fans were lamenting over the fact that Disney had done this, fearing the worst for the franchise. Years later, I went in to The Force Awakens in 2015 with no expectations. I figured hey, everyone seemed to be upset about this buyout but you know, let's give Disney a chance and see what they can do with it. Roughly two hours later, for the first time in my entire life, I exited a theater actually fuming and angry at a movie for wasting my fucking time. All of these fans I had seen pissing and moaning about Disney in 2012 were suddenly singing their praises and rejoicing about how wonderful this objectively shitty excuse for a film was, and this fucking garbage pile took the undeserved spot of highest grossing movie ever.

I would explain to my friends and family, logically and factually, why this movie didn't make any sense. Why it was a complete unoriginal rehash and why Rey was and still is the worst character I have ever seen in any high budget entertainment production of any kind. They would listen and they would acknowledge my arguments with understanding but they would naively hold on to their opinions and insist that this cinematic abortion was still the best movie they had ever seen. I could not get through to anybody about this.

And then The Last Jedi came out. And it wasn't a wake up call for me. It was merely my "I told you so" to everybody else.

I have noticed over the years following the release of TLJ, an increase in people claiming optimism after the Disney-Lucasfilm buyout. I wonder if they are telling the truth or not, because I only remember people being upset about it before immediately about-facing after the TFA nostalgia wankfest of 2015.

I recall when it was announced the buyout was happening there were a bunch of people having concerns that Disney would just be making a bunch "kids shit" like their animated features, or do nothing but side stories...or worse, reboot the original trilogy. Then it was confirmed that it would be live action, it would be a continuation, and it would be released under LFL....and those reassurances seemed to appease everyone.

Then TFA came out an it was shitty aping of ANH, only with giant plotholes.
I think TFA got a pass by a lot of fans because for all of his many,many large flaws, JarJar Abrams knows how to set up an intriguing mystery box. Any experience with his works lets the viewer he has no fucking clue how EXECUTE on it so the contents will be super disappointing, but boy howdy does he do a good job of getting you excited about what might be inside if you aren't forwarned.

The fact it was a rip-off of ANH, filled to the brim with shitty memberberries, was brushed aside because the film at least seemed to TRY. Disney hadn't fully shit the bed, and it seemed to be a lot of "well, ok, of course they want to play it super safe with the first movie. Sure the FO doesn't make any fucking sense, but they needed an enemy, I'm sure it will get explained int he next two films".

Then TLJ dropped, and it became clear no one was at wheel, no one gave a shit, and Disney was mistaking Cruise Control for Autopilot.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

They would listen and they would acknowledge my arguments with understanding but they would naively hold on to their opinions and insist that this cinematic abortion was still the best movie they had ever seen. I could not get through to anybody about this.

TBF, I know what they mean.

A lot of people, including many people that hate The Last Jedi say that TFA is a good movie. And it honestly is... because it plagiarizes a great movie. People whose first movie was TFA will think it was amazing, but if you have seen a New Hope, it just feels like the soulless copy it is.

Just like An off-brand, soda will taste amazing until you taste the real deal.

If it's your first time seeing the underdog living in a desert planet that turns out to have special force powers, is mentored by past legends, is destined to save the galaxy and destroys a superweapon it's really amazing. We all loved that with A New Hope so it's no wonder a lot of people loved it's ripoff.

You need to have seen A New Hope to understand why TFA is so bad IMHO.

Every single good thing about TFA was stolen from a New Hope. You have no idea how much J.J annoys me with how smug and Clever he feels for stealing other's ideas. That's why I have no problem believing the leaks are real with how much he plagiarizes Return of the Jedi.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I know several people who were massively when Disney bought Star Wars who probably want to go back and throttle themselves for being delusional and naive.

At the time Disney acquired Star Wars, most people still had the belief that Disney's past track record and pedigree suggested they would be good caretakers for the SW franchise and the best choice for taking the reins -- myself being one of them. Even when Disney decided to end (Filoni's) Clone Wars and scrap some other projects, it simply looked more like they were prioritizing what would be important under their watch. I, too, agree that despite TFA being a lackluster retread of ANH, fans were still willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt. However, now that it's clear Disney has released utter trash with not just the sequel trilogy but ancillary works such as the Book of Farts and other media where Lucas-era male characters had their character traits stripped away in the most undignified manner while the females were made more woke and often retconned to be openly LGBTetc when they originally weren't, fans are beginning to question what Disney has done to the franchise and what else they may plan to do once Episode IX is released to cinemas.

I wouldn't throttle myself for my prior hopefulness, but I do wonder why Disney would take a franchise that seemed vibrant enough at the time of acquisition and run it into the ground with bad decision-making so much so that many of the fans that stayed loyal to the franchise since ANH came out in the 70s now feel disillusioned and alienated by what's happening now. The fact they're being harassed and branded as haters or worse on social media certainly does nothing to persuade them to stay interested in a franchise that currently treats them and the characters they grew up with as little more than obsolete parts that need to be replaced and discarded. That's the biggest disappointment; SW could have easily continued to appeal to multiple generations of fans with the right decisions and content. Instead, the older loyal fans have been pushed away like they're neither wanted nor needed while their favorite characters get treated in a similar, persona non grata kind of way.
[E: Replace wrong word]

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I do wonder why Disney would take a franchise that seemed vibrant enough at the time of acquisition and run it into the ground with bad decision-making so much so that many of the fans that stayed loyal to the franchise since ANH came out in the 70s now feel disillusioned and alienated by what's happening now. The fact they're being harassed and branded at haters or worse on social media certainly does nothing to persuade them to stay interested in a franchise that currently treats them and the characters they grew up with as little more than obsolete parts that need to be replaced and discarded. That's the biggest disappointment; SW could have easily continued to appeal to multiple generations of fans with the right decisions and content. Instead, the older loyal fans have been pushed away like they're neither wanted nor needed while their favorite characters get treated in a similar, persona non grata kind of way.

Go Woke, Go Broke.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Part of the optimism towards Disney was IMHO the hate of the prequels.

Now it's popular to say the prequels weren't that bad or even good, and that Disney should've followed Luca's plans. But, before Disney, by far the popular opinion was that the Prequels were the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars (besides the holiday special) .

They have been vindicated a bit as basically a bunch of great ideas wich poor execution in many aspects.

Prequels were bad in the sense that they needed a lot more polish, and Lucas needed someone to help him, especially in the writing aspect. Sequels are bad in that they are preachy, unoriginal, woke fest that gives the middle finger to fans and the legacy that came before it.

We didn't know how lucky we all were.