Manosphere Theodore "Teddy" Beale / Vox Day / Vox Popoli / Teddy Spaghetti - pretentious self-imporant Ultra-Right Science Fiction writer and publisher, jealous of Jordan Peterson.

[Lady Pigroach]

Can we get that Jordan Peterson soundboard to say some more shit tho

 

[Flexo]

I got into Vox after the Gab dispute. Never agreed with Vox feuding with Torba or with Anglin. Looks like he dropped the suit quickly. Sounds like he took his own advice.

But that's exactly my point. If he had said "I've learned from my own experience..." or something to that effect then I'd have more respect for that post. But look at it again, he phrases it as other people telling him what to do and how he's always right. He always has to paint everything as never being wrong.

I don't know who these people are. Vox shoutouts Nationalists who do good work and he shoutouts people who shoutout him.

Again, exactly the point. Vox only does for others who have first done for him. But then he complains about nobody ever giving him a shout out. Well maybe they're just operating under the same rules he is and not referencing people unless they first reference them. It's like reversing that old saying, "he doesn't dish it out then complains nobody gives to him."

Maybe he would get more referrals if he didn't burn so many bridges.

That's not my definition. I didn't mean to imply that you have to constantly give shoutouts or you're a gatekeeper. What I meant was that shouting out a gatekeeper who also doesn't shout you out is a bad idea. Who are these conservative artists you speak of? I don't know if they're gatekeepers or not.

If it's a bad idea then why would anyone shout out Vox who's a gatekeeper that didn't shout them out? See the paradox? Vox has literally set up a perpetuating cycle that just gives him an excuse to bitch.

The best way to see if someone's a gatekeeper (Whether knowingly or not) is a combination of things. Being promoted as "fake opposition" by The Left is a HUGE redflag. The "authoritative" conservatives and centrists being promoted by Youtube, The Guardian, and NY Times are gatekeepers. The Anarcho-Communists LARPing as revolutionaries while being promoted by the NY Times as deradicalizers are "fake opposition".
. . .

So "gatekeeper" is just like "gamma" and "fascist" then, eh? "Somebody I don't like."

Extra ironic then that he labeled PJMedia as a gatekeeper since by the above standard, they aren't as i haven't seen any promo for them from the MSN. (A quick search of the NYT for example yields 0 results.)

Whistleblowers. No one denies the fact that the US gov't has bugged its tech. The Chinese are simply pointing out an uncontroversial fact. The Western politicians/deep state who spy on us have no business pointing fingers at others to distract from their own misdeeds.

Ever consider that the Chinese are pointing fingers to distract from their misdeeds?

Also let me just say glancing at the rest of your post? Yeah I've been following Vox for far longer. I remember the days he was arguing with atheist blogs over his irrational atheist book.

Can we get that Jordan Peterson soundboard to say some more shit tho

Somebody should do a Vox soundboard. (Though many of the buttons would just be "gamma" like the lamest pokemon.)

 

[Vorhtbame]

Again, exactly the point. Vox only does for others who have first done for him. But then he complains about nobody ever giving him a shout out. Well maybe they're just operating under the same rules he is and not referencing people unless they first reference them.

Which, ironically, is a feminine attitude: wait for the guy to move first, then smile and accept and reciprocate. Or, at least, that's what he teaches.

But as he's not a cute girl (who might provide nudes), he's left to grumble with the bitter future cat ladies about why the boys don't notice him.

...That analogy got way gayer than I intended, but it resonates a bit more than it should.

 

[GranDuke]

Sounds like another argument for him being gamma.

I think core problem here is that conservatism is not really about things that people like Vox actually care about.

For example, Vox often claims that immigration into USA after certain date (don't remember now that date exactly) was in general a problem and it should be rolled back. I doubt that any conservative actually wants or thinks about it as a reasonable goal. Or take white nationalists, they want non-white people gone. Many conservatives would prefer if there were more whites in USA than "minorities", true, but again, most of them would never sign up for mass deportations or anything of the sorts. They just want to keep similar proportions that USA had, I don't know, 20 years ago?

Point is that on the surface goals aren't that dissimilar, but when you dig deeper you realize that there isn't that much common ground there. As another example we can look at someone like Spencer who looks like he doesn't have many problems with socialism. You'd think that it would make him a natural ally for Democrats then since conservatives really don't like anything socialism related. But again, you look deeper and realize that Spencer wants socialism for white people, others can get fucked. So obviously Democrats don't like him.

In other words conservatives will never conserve things that "alt-right" cares about and "alt-right" will always fuck up things that conservatives care about. Even those monuments that got removed, I saw many alt-righters being okay with it since it might "wake up" more white people.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I think core problem here is that conservatism is not really about things that people like Vox actually care about.

For example, Vox often claims that immigration into USA after certain date (don't remember now that date exactly) was in general a problem and it should be rolled back. I doubt that any conservative actually wants or thinks about it as a reasonable goal. Or take white nationalists, they want non-white people gone. Many conservatives would prefer if there were more whites in USA than "minorities", true, but again, most of them would never sign up for mass deportations or anything of the sorts. They just want to keep similar proportions that USA had, I don't know, 20 years ago?

Point is that on the surface goals aren't that dissimilar, but when you dig deeper you realize that there isn't that much common ground there. As another example we can look at someone like Spencer who looks like he doesn't have many problems with socialism. You'd think that it would make him a natural ally for Democrats then since conservatives really don't like anything socialism related. But again, you look deeper and realize that Spencer wants socialism for white people, others can get fucked. So obviously Democrats don't like him.

In other words conservatives will never conserve things that "alt-right" cares about and "alt-right" will always fuck up things that conservatives care about. Even those monuments that got removed, I saw many alt-righters being okay with it since it might "wake up" more white people.

I think it was mid-19th century, when America started letting in Germans and Italians. Vox thinks that America doesn't just belong to whites, it belongs specifically to whites of Anglo descent.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I think it was mid-19th century, when America started letting in Germans and Italians. Vox thinks that America doesn't just belong to whites, it belongs specifically to whites of Anglo descent.

Considering the existence of things like the Muhlenberg legend, and the numerous German descended US legislatures and other public figures associated with it (who were real, even though the legend itself wasn't), I think it's safe to say that people of German Americans were a strong presence in the American colonies before they even became a country.

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

Vox Day is not only not a conservative, he is not a lover of the US in any way, shape or form. I've pointed out numerous times he's a bigger fan of China than the West. Speaking of which, his latest wumao (look it up) submission: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-china-is-on-rise.html?m=1

Spoiler: Text

Why China is on the rise

The rise of Xi Jinping to supreme leadership may explain the recent and dramatic shift against China on the part of the Learned Elders of Wye. Given its proven value as a predictive model, the entire Wikileaks report on Xi by an academic acquaintance from his youth is well worth reading.

23. Xi knows how very corrupt China is and is repulsed by the all-encompassing commercialization of Chinese society, with its attendant nouveau riche, official corruption, loss of values, dignity, and self-respect, and such "moral evils" as drugs and prostitution, the professor stated. The professor speculated that if Xi were to become the Party General Secretary, he would likely aggressively attempt to address these evils, perhaps at the expense of the new moneyed class.

And that is exactly what Xi has done, with a serious commitment to an anti-corruption campaign that has taken many by surprise. It may astonish Western readers to know that the Chinese government is now extremely popular with the people. Unlike the Western countries, in which various corporations and other organizations are reliably deemed to big to fail - which really means they are too corrupt to be permitted to fail - Xi has led a magnificently ruthless campaign against corruption in China on a scale that is absolutely unthinkable in the West.

To put it in perspective, imagine if President Trump had had both Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton arrested and jailed, as well as two Supreme Court justices, two-thirds of the DNC, half the RNC, and numerous FBI, CIA, and IRS employees. That's effectively what Xi has already done since 2012.

Upon taking office, Xi vowed to crack down on "tigers and flies", that is, high-level officials and local civil servants alike. Most of the officials investigated were removed from office and faced accusations of bribery and abuse of power, although the range of alleged abuses varied widely. As of 2016, the campaign has 'netted' over 120 high-ranking officials, including about a dozen high-ranking military officers, several senior executives of state-owned companies, and four national leaders. More than 100,000 people have been indicted for corruption. The campaign is part of a much wider drive to clean up malfeasance within party ranks and shore up party unity. It has become an emblematic feature of Xi Jinping's political brand.

Now THAT is what actually draining the swamp looks like. The greatest political mind of the 20th century, Lee Kuan Yew, described Xi as "a man of great breadth" and said he would "put him in the Nelson Mandela class of persons." While there are certainly reasons to doubt the assumption that the 21st century will be the Chinese century, the fact that 1.6 billion people now have a leader of this reported rectitude and capability should not be discounted.

I've admired Xi since he publicly shot down Mark Zuckerberg's public attempt to put him on the spot by asking Xi to name his child in 2015. This is clearly not a man who permits himself to be manipulated by anyone, for any reason.

Or maybe it's not so much that he hates America as much as he hates Jews so vehemently that he hopes China will wipe them out as they rise to power.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Considering the existence of things like the Muhlenberg legend, and the numerous German descended US legislatures and other public figures associated with it (who were real, even though the legend itself wasn't), I think it's safe to say that people of German Americans were a strong presence in the American colonies before they even became a country.

Since when have facts been important to Vox's autistic screeds?

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

Vox "imperialism is evil unless the Chinese do it" must be hard up for cash. Currently he is shilling hard for Chinese geopolitical interests, including condemning the HK protests.

A contest of wills

A blog by Vox Day which concerns economics, politics, history, social policy, and the SF/F literary genre.

voxday.blogspot.com

Mailvox: a different perspective on Hong Kong

A blog by Vox Day which concerns economics, politics, history, social policy, and the SF/F literary genre.

voxday.blogspot.com

Mailvox: a response from Hong Kong

A blog by Vox Day which concerns economics, politics, history, social policy, and the SF/F literary genre.

voxday.blogspot.com

Spoiler: China vs. NBA

A contest of wills

The NBA is about to learn that China doesn't negotiate with lying foreign devils:

The National Basketball Association won't gag its personnel or apologise over a team executive's tweet that ignited a firestorm in China, commissioner Adam Silver insisted Tuesday, standing firm despite a growing backlash that imperils the league's lucrative Chinese following.

The tweet last Friday by Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey supporting pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong has infuriated Chinese fans and led to broadcasters and sponsors severing ties with the NBA.

But Silver, speaking at a press conference in Japan where the Rockets are playing exhibition games this week, said the world's top basketball league would continue to "support freedom of expression and certainly freedom of expression of the NBA community."

"The NBA will not put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees and team owners say or will not say on these issues. We simply could not operate that way," Silver said in a statement before the press conference.

It won't surprise me if the Chinese government waits for the commissioner to travel to China before cancelling both exhibition games at the last minute. Especially in light of how Silver's claim that the NBA supports freedom of expression is absolutely and entirely false. The NBA doesn't even hesitate to put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees and team owners say when it comes to "racism", "sexism", "anti-semitism", and "hate".

"We believe that any comments that challenge national sovereignty and social stability are not within the scope of freedom of speech," China Central Television (CCTV) said on its social media account.

Just call it "hate speech". Then the NBA will have no choice but to ban it.

Spoiler: Mainlander on HK protests

Mailvox: a different perspective on Hong Kong

An update on the Hong Kong situation from a mainlander:

I wanted to send this to you last week but the outside internet has been completely inaccessible in China for the past two weeks because of the National Day holiday. They do this every year but it's particularly bad this year.

A few days ago the ENTIRE Hong Kong metro system was closed because the "protesters" went on a rampage in response to a new law making it illegal to wear a mask in public. Every single metro station. Imagine if that had happened in a major American city of ten million people, what the police and the National Guard would do.

Pat Buchanan has an article in which he states, "The people of Hong Kong, who are surely being cheered by many on the mainland of China ..." All respect to Pat Buchanan but he doesn't understand this situation at all.

There is mutual hatred between Hong Kong and mainland people. NO ONE on the mainland is cheering the Hong Kong protesters. They think Hong Kong people are a bunch of spoiled brats who are now wrecking their own city and being used by the West because they think they're better than mainland people. And Hong Kong people, meanwhile, think they ARE better than mainland people because they've had the benefit of a hundred years of imposed quasi-Western civilization and the result is a more well-mannered people and a more orderly society in a higher-quality environment.

But Hong Kong has been going downhill for decades now, due to various reasons that are not reducible to a simple statement, and the mainland has been in the ascendancy. But regardless, if Beijing sends in the troops, (which I don't think they will do because the bad PR outweighs any other benefit; they'll probably just let Hong Kong burn because they don't really need it) I assure you that the vast majority of mainland Chinese will applaud this decision and love their government even more, seeing it as just desserts for a bunch of spoiled traitors, i.e. Chinese who don't want to be Chinese and who collude with the yang guizi (foreign devils).

The global media would of course use any move by Beijing as a way to paint China as the new Nazis. You can see this narrative already developing and being pushed by Bannon and others, as well as the Hong Kong protesters themselves, who are quite obviously trying to provoke a violent response. But for the mainland Chinese, it would only solidify their sense of "us against the world." My fear is that the people who want the next big war are actively pushing in this direction. I hope that Trump and Xi Jinping really are friendly, because they're increasingly looking like Kennedy and Khrushchev.

Spoiler: Hong Konger on protests

Mailvox: a response from Hong Kong

A native of Hong Kong responds to yesterday's email from a mainlander.

I am born and raised in Hong Kong and are currently lived in the city for the past 5 years.

The reason why people oppose the government and react the way they do is simply the lack of trust for the government.

The mainland mailer is correct in a sense the Hong Kong people are spoiled brats because we have been at peace prospering for as long as this generation remembers. And so they are all boomer-like in a sense that they believe in lies that the government tells its people and such.

What Carrie Lam, the chief executive in Hong Kong, did that outraged the people is the obvious show of brute force that essentially served as a wake-up slap to the public. And they, being spoiled by peace, are throwing a fit.

We don’t hate the mainland Chinese people, However their tourists actions are equal that of an illegal immigrant from Mexico to the US. They have no intention of abiding by our cultural rules, I have personally seen two incidents where they openly defecate in the street, even outside the public bathroom!

Due to multiple incidents of fake and poison milk powders, they raid our food supply.The major city centres close to the broader have been turned to a mainland China city-like environment. The obvious cultural erosion has been putting pressure in the bomb for about 10 years now. And now is the result of the explosion.

The real autism is from the comments, which I'll capture when I'm back home.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I think it was mid-19th century, when America started letting in Germans and Italians. Vox thinks that America doesn't just belong to whites, it belongs specifically to whites of Anglo descent.

Nope. Benjamin Franklin wrote about an unassimilate-able German minority as early as the 1750s. Swarthy Germans

This article doesn't go into it, but I know he also implied German women were too fat to be considered attractive by English born American men.

Based Benjamin, I guess.

 

[AnOminous]

Nope. Benjamin Franklin wrote about an unassimilate-able German minority as early as the 1750s. Swarthy Germans

This article doesn't go into it, but I know he also implied German women were too fat to be considered attractive by English born American men.

Based Benjamin, I guess.

Ben was into MILFs but he had no time for fatties.

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

A bit late, but here's Vox Day's latest China shill post:

Vox Popoli: The cost of money

voxday.blogspot.com

https://archive.is/IvYTx

Spoiler: Good on Mark Kern. But China is right.

The cost of money

World of Warcraft Designer/Producer Mark Kern's explanation of why he has severed himself from all things Blizzard illustrates why I never seek large investments from anyone in any of my projects:

This hurts. But until Blizzard reverses their decision on @blitzchungHS I am giving up playing Classic WoW, which I helped make and helped convince Blizzard to relaunch. There will be no Mark of Kern guild after all.

Let me explain why I am #BoycottBlizzard

I am ethnically Chinese. I was born in Taiwan and I lived in Hong Kong for a time. I have done business with China for many years, with several gaming companies there. So I think I have a valid perspective here, having been a Team Lead at Blizzard and having grown up in Asia.

I have watched China slowly take over as the dominant investing force in gaming and movies over the years. It’s a shame US companies never believed as strongly as China and Asia in investing in games, but this allowed China to have unprecedented influence over our media.

Chinese game companies have grown huge not just because of market size, but because the government subsidizes them. They get free land, free offices, and huge infusions of cash. This cash was and is used to do expand and buy up stakes in US gaming companies.

I’ve seen firsthand the corruption of Chinese gaming companies, and I was removed from a company I founded (after Blizzard) for refusing to take a 2 million dollar kickback bribe to take an investment from China. This is the first time I’ve ever spoken publicly about it. I’ve also seen how American company reps in China have been offered similar bribes to get licenses for large AAA titles. Not everyone refused like I did.

Unfortunately, US and European companies are loath to take risks and invest in game companies legally as much as China was. China remained one of the few places mid-tier studios could get funding. So again, China influence grew. I’m sure this is the same for movies as well.

I understand Mark's perspective and I respect his stand. He's a good guy, a smart game designer, and a man of principle. That being said, I absolutely consider the Chinese influence to be vastly preferable to the alternative with which they are competing. A competing civilizational alternative to Western civilization may not be ideal, but it is almost infinitely better than pure satanic inversion.

Remember, the Chinese response is a reaction to the subversive cultural invasion of their civilization. It is an aggressive form of civilizational self-defense. Rather than permit their invaders a safe base from which to stage their attacks, they are attacking the bases from which the invasion stems. Given this observation, I very much doubt it will be long before a Chinese company acquires one of the Big Five media companies.

And let's face it. They couldn't have screwed up Star Wars any worse than the Devil Mouse has.

Got that? China murders whomever they wish (including millions of Christians) but that's OK because at least they didn't fuck up the Star Wars sequels.

Notably, even his die-hard followers are not buying Vox's tortured reasoning.

Spoiler: Nate is a long time Dread Ilk, also one of the few piss talkers that Vox tolerates

Spoiler: Did Vox admit that he's a shill?

*insert "Sure Jan." .gif here*

Spoiler: Hey, that's my line!

I didn't expect to be the new @Flexo but someone's gotta be Vox's tard minder.

EDIT: While we're at it, here's a 2008 post regarding the Olympics Nate was alluding to:

 

[Flexo]

A bit late, but here's Vox Day's latest China shill post:

Vox Popoli: The cost of money

voxday.blogspot.com

https://archive.li/IvYTx

Spoiler: Good on Mark Kern. But China is right.

The cost of money

World of Warcraft Designer/Producer Mark Kern's explanation of why he has severed himself from all things Blizzard illustrates why I never seek large investments from anyone in any of my projects:

I understand Mark's perspective and I respect his stand. He's a good guy, a smart game designer, and a man of principle. That being said, I absolutely consider the Chinese influence to be vastly preferable to the alternative with which they are competing. A competing civilizational alternative to Western civilization may not be ideal, but it is almost infinitely better than pure satanic inversion.

Remember, the Chinese response is a reaction to the subversive cultural invasion of their civilization. It is an aggressive form of civilizational self-defense. Rather than permit their invaders a safe base from which to stage their attacks, they are attacking the bases from which the invasion stems. Given this observation, I very much doubt it will be long before a Chinese company acquires one of the Big Five media companies.

And let's face it. They couldn't have screwed up Star Wars any worse than the Devil Mouse has.

Got that? China murders whomever they wish (including millions of Christians) but that's OK because at least they didn't fuck up the Star Wars sequels.

Notably, even his die-hard followers are not buying Vox's tortured reasoning.

Spoiler: Nate is a long time Dread Ilk, also one of the few piss talkers that Vox tolerates

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Spoiler: Did Vox admit that he's a shill?

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*insert "Sure Jan." .gif here*
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Spoiler: Hey, that's my line!

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I didn't expect to be the new @Flexo but someone's gotta be Vox's tard minder.

EDIT: While we're at it, here's a 2008 post regarding the Olympics Nate was alluding to:
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Sorry man, been real busy of late killing humans. I'll try to make it up to you later.

I still can't believe he said "[china] better than pure satanic inversion." China! A country with mandated abortion. A country that has literally put Christians in jail.

How the heck is china not satanic?? (not that his puts me on Disney's side, but then isn't that getting outside of the binary thinking Vox is always going on about?)

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

I still can't believe he said "[china] better than pure satanic inversion." China! A country with mandated abortion. A country that has literally put Christians in jail.

How the heck is china not satanic?? (not that his puts me on Disney's side, but then isn't that getting outside of the binary thinking Vox is always going on about?)

Vox should stop bragging about being the Supreme Dark Lord while also being a Christian because sin darkens the intellect. See: John 3:19-21.

 

[Flexo]

I had to laugh today when listening to a podcast because they got to talking about China and Rob Long went on a quick rant that what China is really worried about is it's 5 ethnically distinct asian groups tearing the nation apart. To the point they have even run programs exporting Han Chinese to areas to "assimilate" them.

It reminded me of too many Vox rants about how the USA is going to fall any decade now. Weird how China seems immune to that isn't it?

Or do all Asians look alike to Vox?

Always fun to notice the supergenius' blind spots.

Vox Popoli: On kicking a man when he's down

voxday.blogspot.com

 

[Flexo]

Hahahaha...

Archiving this before he edits it.

Vox Popoli: Jordan Peterson is a mirror

voxday.blogspot.com

That last link?

Jordan Peterson Granted Honorary Christian Status

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO—In a joyful ceremony, Christian leaders gathered to grant Jordan Peterson the status of honorary Christian. Though the Canadian professor has never identified as a Christian and does not attend any church, a vote was taken and the decision was made unanimously that Peterson...

babylonbee.com

Mr. Superbrain took babylonbee seriously.

Congrats, Vox, you're on the same level as Snopes.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I'm not sure which is sadder, Vox doing all this Chinese government shilling for free, or some deluded Chinese operative thinking Vox is worth putting on their payroll.

 

[Amya Spedonym]

I'm not sure which is sadder, Vox doing all this Chinese government shilling for free, or some deluded Chinese operative thinking Vox is worth putting on their payroll.

The Chinese MSS guy probably got Teddy's phone number from whichever FSB dude was getting Teddy to shill for Vlad so hard.

 

[Flexo]

Apparently Vox doesn't realize JBP has more than one child.

Vox Popoli: He is not your father figure

voxday.blogspot.com

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

Apparently Vox doesn't realize JBP has more than one child.

Vox Popoli: He is not your father figure

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Does anybody know how old Vox's kids are? I don't think they are in a marriageable age, but I might be wrong. I think none of them is married yet, and he has no grandchildren. Therefore, he should shut his snout up, and just wait and see for the effects of his parenting before he will start to judge others...