Alexander "Slavros" Mukhitdinov / Iron March / IronMarch.org

[Ca Ira]

some members are upset with the administrators choices. However this was 'quelled' ...

That's fascism for you, I guess.

 

[SpessCaptain]

So I was chatting with my /pol/tard neighbor about the Failed Gang and brought up "some neonazi or fascist or something site with some dumb logo like fists jacking each other off" and he was like "oh lol those faggots are all fbi and dumbshits".
Even other racists think this place sucks apparently.

Well, its always nice that we've found the cream of the lolcow crop.

 

[Centipede]

Alexander Slavros (Powerword: Alisher Mukhitdinov, Tverskaya,) is the Administrator for the Iron March forum. Slavros was basically a National Bolshevik, he has a fascist interpretation of Stalinism. He admired Stalin, and actively denied both the Holocaust and the Holodomor.

>Russian
>Neo-Nazi

I find it hysterical that a person from a Slavic nation, a group of people who Adolf Hitler openly voiced his desire to either destroy or reduce to neo-serfdom, would be so dedicated to the neo-Nazi cause. But then sadly he's not the only one.

 

[DuskEngine]

Of course they have an Elliot Rodgers thread. Of course they do.

...did they just conflate Evola's traditionalism, redpill bullshit, and political fascism? What the fuck am I even reading here.
And where did the Chad/normie bullshit come from? I thought the wizards would keep to their own.

 

[Arctic]

From what I know of neo-nazis and WNs (and I lurked Stormfront a lot before I discovered SJWs), denying the Holocaust is all well and good but denying the Holodomor is goddamn heresy. Along with the Armenian Genocide and Irish Potato Famine, the Holodomor is the preeminent example of "White Genocide" and regularly trotted out in any argument that involves WNs downplaying the Holocaust. It's also the preeminent example of Communist barbarism, so it gets a lot of play in neo-nazi and fascist circles. Only a very small subsect of Pro-Soviet Russian Ultranationals (such as the NazBols) tolerate denying it.

So, without even looking further at the site, the fact that they'll tolerate that from their admin means that the vast majority of non-Russian nazism going on there is gonna be try-so-very-hard edgelordism at it's finest. This gonna be gooooood.

I always thought the nazis considered Ukrainians and other Slavs to be inferior races which were to be enslaved in the new "Lebensraum". So much for white genocide.

 

[SpessCaptain]

Administrator demeaning his own userbase. SIGN OF QUALITY ADMINSHIP.

Heres a post from a member who discusses how to clean your computer just in case the feds raid your nazi den

Oh you think Nazi's are bad? How about Red Pill Nazis?

 

[HG 400]

I always thought the nazis considered Ukrainians and other Slavs to be inferior races which were to be enslaved in the new "Lebensraum". So much for white genocide.

No, they planned to push a large section of the population out past the AA line to make room for German settlers, but that was more about clearing conquered land for the conquerers and breaking the USSR than any kind of racial cleansing. The Third Reich actually had a lot of Slavic allies. Croatia, Slovakia, most Ukrainians and (some/most? idk) Belorussians were staunchly pro-Axis. Quite a few Poles joined them too, when they realised the choice was between the Reich or the Union. Assuming the Nazis actually won, all of those groups would have received some form of autonomy and sovereignty as satellite states. The few "slavs are an inferior race" speeches on record were presumably to rile the unwashed masses up specifically against the Poles and Russians, and educated Germans clearly didn't take it seriously, since they were creating "independent" Croatia and Slovakia at pretty much the exact same time. There was also an entire Slavophile wing of the Nazi party that wanted to ally with the USSR and conquer westwards instead, don't hold me to this but I believe they were called Strasserites?

Sorry, I could sperg about WW2 and Nazi history all day.

>Russian
>Neo-Nazi

I find it hysterical that a person from a Slavic nation, a group of people who Adolf Hitler openly voiced his desire to either destroy or reduce to neo-serfdom, would be so dedicated to the neo-Nazi cause. But then sadly he's not the only one.

Nazism in East Bloc countries is largely considered an anti-communist thing rather than a racially-motivated thing. If commies hanged your uncles for food-hoarding, you'd probably be more sympathetic regardless of what some old dead German dude might or might not have said before you were born.

That said, Mr. Slavros is a NazBol, which is a different thing altogether and basically made of rage, hatred, self-loathing and 110% edge.

The Russian Ahuviya Harel?

 

[Guardian G.I.]

The Third Reich actually had a lot of Slavic allies. Croatia, Slovakia, most Ukrainians and (some/most? idk) Belorussians were staunchly pro-Axis.

Belarusian collaborationist organizations like the Belarusian Self-Help Movement, the Union of Belarusian Youth or the Belarusian Central Rada mostly consisted of nationalist intelligentsia and people who were persecuted by the Soviet authorities before the war.
The rest of Belarusians were neutral at best and actively hostile at worst towards the German occupiers. The Germans themselves didn't treat the locals particularly well - Nazis and their allies, including nationalist collaborators from Ukraine* and the Baltic states, destroyed 8921 Belarusian villages during the Nazi occupation. In 5295 villages, Nazis have massacred their inhabitants.
Many Belarusians and Belarusian Jews were killed in Nazi extermination camps. Many people were forcibly sent to work in Nazi Germany as slave workers (Ostarbeiters).

*The involvement of Ukrainian nationalists in massacres in Belarus, such as the massacre in Khatyn was actually classified after the war at the request of Ukrainian communist authorities. They thought the disclosure of that information would breed anti-Ukrainian sentiment in the USSR. It was only declassified in the late 1980s.

 

[HG 400]

Belarusian collaborationist organizations like the Belarusian Self-Help Movement, the Union of Belarusian Youth or the Belarusian Central Rada mostly consisted of nationalist intelligentsia and people who were persecuted by the Soviet authorities before the war.
The rest of Belarusians were neutral at best and actively hostile at worst towards the German occupiers. The Germans themselves didn't treat the locals particularly well - Nazis and their allies, including nationalist collaborators from Ukraine* and the Baltic states, destroyed 8921 Belarusian villages during the Nazi occupation. In 5295 villages, Nazis have massacred their inhabitants.
Many Belarusians and Belarusian Jews were killed in Nazi extermination camps. Many people were forcibly sent to work in Nazi Germany as slave workers (Ostarbeiters).

*The involvement of Ukrainian nationalists in massacres in Belarus, such as the massacre in Khatyn was actually classified after the war at the request of Ukrainian communist authorities. They thought the disclosure of that information would breed anti-Ukrainian sentiment in the USSR. It was only declassified in the late 1980s.

I don't want to get onto a historysperging tangeant but this is of near-autistic interest to me. I knew Belarus took the brunt of Nazi and Cossack scorched earth in the USSR but I was under the impression there was also a lot of interpartisan fighting in Belarus too? I might be getting you guys confused with the Ukes again Did the collaborationists ever militarise or did they only aid the nazis more along administrative lines like in France, Norway, etc.?

 

[Dudeofteenage]

The deliberate starving of Ukranians by the Soviet authorities, 2.5 to 7.5 million dead. It's not that well-known in the west because the Soviets were our allies at the time.

The Holodomor happened between 1932 and 1933. The USSR was most definitely not allied to the USA, or any other Western country, at that time.

It went undetected simply because there was very little information getting out of the USSR at that time.

 

[Guardian G.I.]

I don't want to get onto a historysperging tangeant but this is of near-autistic interest to me. I knew Belarus took the brunt of Nazi and Cossack scorched earth in the USSR but I was under the impression there was also a lot of interpartisan fighting in Belarus too? I might be getting you guys confused with the Ukes again Did the collaborationists ever militarise or did they only aid the nazis more along administrative lines like in France, Norway, etc.?

The closest thing to interpartisan fighting was clashes between the Soviet partisans and Polish Armia Krajowa. Bandera's Ukrainian nationalists from UPA also operated in Southwestern Belarus, though they almost never fought the Germans there and robbed civilians most of the time.

The Belarusian collaborationist authorities tried to create the Belarusian Home Defence organization (BKA) to serve as auxillaries in the fight against the partisans, but it proved to be ineffective. There was also the 30th Grenadier Division of the SS "Weissruthenien" mainly composed of Belarusian collaborators that fled westward in 1944 - it fought on the Western Front. It isn't as notorious today as the "Galitchina" SS division composed of Western Ukrainians, though.
During their retreat, the Nazis left behind some commando units that fought the Soviets until the early 50s, but they didn't change things much.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

Anyway, big picture, what I always find amusing about those who advocate government by some kind of small elite (be it ethnic, educational, financial, whatever) is that they always have the tacit assumption that they would be part of that elite.

The moment somebody advocates rule by a small elite that they would not personally be part of, then I'll start taking the idea seriously.

 

[Positron]

Of course they have an Elliot Rodgers thread. Of course they do.

"Beta ubermensch"?! Seriously??!!

And "Shintoist-Evolan tradition"? Sorry I've got to call troll here.

 

[asperhes]

Whenever I hear about a far-right group or website "falling apart" or "splintering," I can't help but suspect that the FBI or an equivalent has infiltrated the group and caused the collapse. I understand this is one reason why there are a dozen groups in the US calling themselves the "real Ku Klux Klan."

On the other hand, the far right is naturally riddled with ideological divisions already, so LEA might not have been necessary.

 

[HG 400]

The Holodomor happened between 1932 and 1933. The USSR was most definitely not allied to the USA, or any other Western country, at that time.

It went undetected simply because there was very little information getting out of the USSR at that time.

They must have known about it before the Lienz conference and the Cossack repatriation, so whenever it came out I really can't see us throwing in the rooshkies faces without them throwing that right back at us and doubling down with "and in Amerika, you are lynching the negroes".


Anyways, sorry for all the historysperging. Let me atone with some caps from the Reich.

Some grade-a subtle redpilling here, bro.

Dude is Hungarian. Cursory google gives me... Justice and Life, Jobbik, Third Way, Hungarian Guard, Civil Guard Association for a Better Future, Barna Csbidi... nigga, you can't find a neo-nazi gang to join in Hungary??? Have we just found the Connor of skinheads?

The razors of Castlememe.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

They must have known about it before the Lienz conference and the Cossack repatriation, so whenever it came out I really can't see us throwing in the rooshkies faces without them throwing that right back at us and doubling down with "and in Amerika, you are lynching the negroes".

Depends what you mean by "known about it". The famines in the USSR were pretty well known, not just by western governments, but by the public. They featured in anti-Soviet propaganda, private and governmental, both before and after WW2. In 1933 an article appeared in the New York Times quoting an Austrian Cardinal who said that millions were dying in Ukraine. In the UK the Manchester Guardian reported on British journalist Gareth Jones' trip through Ukraine and South Russia where he saw people starving to death. It wasn't some government secret, it was out there, and although a lot of people believed Soviet denials, a lot didn't.

But the starvation was generally seen as a sign of Soviet incompetence rather than a deliberate attack on a particular ethnic group. Even the most harsh criticisms, like Jones', saw the famine as accidental, and that the Soviet government had tried to cover it up but hadn't initiatied it. The idea of the Holodomor as a genocide didn't really gain currency outside of Ukrainian nationalist circles until the 1990s with Ukrainian independence.

So the "discovery of the Holodomor" isn't really a matter of discovering the facts, which have never been seriously disputed nor covered up (outside the then-USSR, anyway). It's more a matter of a discovery of the interpretation.

 

[Misbun Sidek]

"Beta ubermensch"?! Seriously??!!

And "Shintoist-Evolan tradition"? Sorry I've got to call troll here.

I don't think it's a troll. We get morons like that on wizardchan all the time. Usually, they get shouted down, so it's not surprising that someone would go to IronMarch to spread their hatred.
We've got a particularly annoying weeaboo/polack who loses his shit on /meta/ every once in a while. He's got a massive persecution complex, and treats 'wizardom' like it's the only important thing in his life. He's said himself that he flat out refuses to go on /hob/, and would kill himself if he had to go there to post his cartoon screenshots.
It wouldn't surprise me if he wrote that.

 

[Tyler]

I don't think it's a troll.

It's a troll or a member being sarcastic. "Tradical" is an inside joke term on the forum.

 

[SpessCaptain]

A lot of posts mention that these crazy fucks like to talk on Skype, oh how much I would like to experience that.

This is a post from "Violence Apologist." Go Figure.

This forum is so edge lord a satanist comes in and tells them how they're not a homo goth punk. A bit like the kettle calling the pot black.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

This forum is so edge lord a satanist comes in and tells them how they're not a homo goth punk.

A shame, a homo goth punk sounds like a much more interesting person than your average internet fascist.