Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[AnOminous]

But instead they waited too long and some dumbass dropped the ball. But either way, good. Bobby’s dead and I’m glad.

I think the result is what should have happened but had it been filed in the right court, they might have obtained a delay of some sort. They got hosed by inadequate legal counsel, possibly more than once.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

I wonder if Bobby’s family will try to sue the hospital or the lawyer for wrongful death of their legally (and actually) dead son?

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From the Save Bobby group.

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"money making healthcare system"
If you pull the profit motive out of this, other people have no motivation to do life support care on a stranger's corpse. It would still cost a fortune in man hours. This family made it clear they weren't going to do any of the work. If a nonprofit ventilator-ed catacomb was viable, some fundie would have started it by now. It's not, decent care by strangers costs a fortune. None of these people were jumping at the opportunity to change corpse diapers 3-6 times a day, either.

The rest of us have a cheaper place to put corpses after we're tired of looking at them, it's called a cemetery.

 

[Whatthefuck]

For a bunch of Jesus freaks they sure have a hard time accepting God's will. God's will was that Bobby would have an asthma attack. God's will was that he would die from it. You can't believe in Sky Daddy and not take the whole enchilada. Christianity isn't a salad bar where you get to pick and choose what you want. It's all His will or nothing is His will. Period. I will never understand these people. He was dead when he got to the hospital then the emergency team got him back artificially to assess if there was any way he'd ever function non-artificially. They wanted to keep him "alive" artificially which flies in the face of God's will and nature. I get a parent's irrational grief, but I will never understand these warped cheerleaders who swoop in to exploit it.

 

[Allo Vera]

For a bunch of Jesus freaks they sure have a hard time accepting God's will.

That’s what I don’t understand - the conflict between “sanctity of life!!” and fundie religion. You’d think, on some level at least, they’d be OK with their loved one going home to God.

There was a documentary in the UK last night about junior doctors. There was an Orthodox Jewish woman of 104 who was, in the doctor’s blunt words, dying. The family would not agree to merely make her comfortable (and withdraw any treatments that would only prolong the inevitable), they wanted aggressive treatment with antibiotics and IV fluids. They refused to allow a syringe driver administering morphine and benzos, for fear it would hasten death. So cruel and short sighted.

 

[MiniMuffin]

There was a documentary in the UK last night about junior doctors. There was an Orthodox Jewish woman of 104 who was, in the doctor’s blunt words, dying. The family would not agree to merely make her comfortable (and withdraw any treatments that would only prolong the inevitable), they wanted aggressive treatment with antibiotics and IV fluids. They refused to allow a syringe driver administering morphine and benzos, for fear it would hasten death. So cruel and short sighted.

According to some memoirs I’ve read by medical professionals, families who do that actually tended to have a poor relationship with their loved one when they were healthy. Like, a close and loving relationship with Dad gives the children the strength to let go, but if the children had been estranged from Dad and there was a lot of emotional baggage in the relationship, they are more likely to want to do everything possible to prolong his life because they are feeling so guilty about the estrangement and don’t want things to end on bad terms.

 

[Whatthefuck]

According to some memoirs I’ve read by medical professionals, families who do that actually tended to have a poor relationship with their loved one when they were healthy. Like, a close and loving relationship with Dad gives the children the strength to let go, but if the children had been estranged from Dad and there was a lot of emotional baggage in the relationship, they are more likely to want to do everything possible to prolong his life because they are feeling so guilty about the estrangement and don’t want things to end on bad terms.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I think we've all lost folks before and I'm sure a lot of us have had to make that decision. You know, the let them go peacefully and comfortably or make them suffer either way they're going today or tomorrow, but they're going so what's it going to be decision. Of course it's not an easy decision, but if you love someone and there's no hope and you're faced with that decision, the choice is obvious. You're going to grieve regardless and at the end of the day it's not about you or your feelings. It's time for a rational decision in the best interest of the patient. If you're estranged, then no amount of life support is going to fix that. It's too late. Keeping a shell in a bed isn't going to change that.

I've told my family very clearly what my preference is.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

That actually makes a lot of sense. I think we've all lost folks before and I'm sure a lot of us have had to make that decision. You know, the let them go peacefully and comfortably or make them suffer either way they're going today or tomorrow, but they're going so what's it going to be decision. Of course it's not an easy decision, but if you love someone and there's no hope and you're faced with that decision, the choice is obvious. You're going to grieve regardless and at the end of the day it's not about you or your feelings. It's time for a rational decision in the best interest of the patient. If you're estranged, then no amount of life support is going to fix that. It's too late. Keeping a shell in a bed isn't going to change that.

I've told my family very clearly what my preference is.

It's best if you put this in your will or some legal document with exactly who is in final charge of the decision named. If it's not in writing, it's not enforceable if some dispute breaks out about it within the family which it sadly often can. I am a named person myself in this regard. It's quite an honour, when you think about it. They trust you to put your own feelings aside and do what's best for THEM, not yourself.

I've seen some real old shit in hospitals with idiot adult children berating nurses and doctors over entirely normal progress of events happening with sick and dying people in their 90s. One ward a relative was in there was a woman in her 90s, dementia, very well cared for, to the point of having an entire nurse do nothing but sit by her bed all day because otherwise she wandered and made messes, and her 50-someting idiot son would swan in drunk, stinking of sweat and rage, clad in vest and shorts with his body hair hanging out (in a fucking hospital) and start accusing the nurses of killing her. Shouting, bawling, making dumb accusations (the woman broke some electronic device he gavce her by flinging it at a wall - he accused the nurses of breaking it). My relative watching from the bed across the ward said it was like a really bad soap opera.

As I've said before, it's not grief, it's weak character, it's stupidity, it's immaturity, it's an inability to cope with the facts of life which include death and dying and making everything about your own purile feelings. Fuck people who do this.

 

[Pimpkin Pumpkin]

It's best if you put this in your will or some legal document with exactly who is in final charge of the decision named. If it's not in writing, it's not enforceable if some dispute breaks out about it within the family which it sadly often can. I am a named person myself in this regard. It's quite an honour, when you think about it. They trust you to put your own feelings aside and do what's best for THEM, not yourself.

I've seen some real old shit in hospitals with idiot adult children berating nurses and doctors over entirely normal progress of events happening with sick and dying people in their 90s. One ward a relative was in there was a woman in her 90s, dementia, very well cared for, to the point of having an entire nurse do nothing but sit by her bed all day because otherwise she wandered and made messes, and her 50-someting idiot son would swan in drunk, stinking of sweat and rage, clad in vest and shorts with his body hair hanging out (in a fucking hospital) and start accusing the nurses of killing her. Shouting, bawling, making dumb accusations (the woman broke some electronic device he gavce her by flinging it at a wall - he accused the nurses of breaking it). My relative watching from the bed across the ward said it was like a really bad soap opera.

As I've said before, it's not grief, it's weak character, it's stupidity, it's immaturity, it's an inability to cope with the facts of life which include death and dying and making everything about your own purile feelings. Fuck people who do this.

I’ve got a relative who’s worked as a nurse in elderly medicine for decades and that story is way too familiar. Over the years, it seems that so many adult children have become far more concerned with extending “life” than preserving dignity.
And this is elderly medicine in the NHS sooooo... There aren’t adequate resources or staff. But most of the staff will do their damnedest to make the death process as comfortable and dignified as possible. Only to be screamed at and sometimes even physically attacked by selfish ignorant morons.

It’s sad that you can’t just teach people that “death = bad, life = good” isn’t a fully formed thought.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I’ve got a relative who’s worked as a nurse in elderly medicine for decades and that story is way too familiar. Over the years, it seems that so many adult children have become far more concerned with extending “life” than preserving dignity.
And this is elderly medicine in the NHS sooooo... There aren’t adequate resources or staff. But most of the staff will do their damnedest to make the death process as comfortable and dignified as possible. Only to be screamed at and sometimes even physically attacked by selfish ignorant morons.

It’s sad that you can’t just teach people that “death = bad, life = good” isn’t a fully formed thought.

It’s shocking how fast these idiots tunes would change if it was their duty to care for the dying person as opposed to health care pros...or if they had to pay out of pocket for their care.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Anyway, the British Muslim potato Tafida Raqueeb has arrived in Genoa in Italy where the hospital admits they can't do much for her but pretend to be invested in 'sanctity of life' (notice not the quality of life or dignity, oh no) although given they admit this is all costing plenty of money it's as likely sanctity of life would be less important if they weren't going to have the care bills met indefinitely. They have put in a trach. The parents are now talking getting Italian citizenship for the corpse-kid, which rubs me up the wrong way for various reasons, including just the downright entitlement of it all, as if citizenship is all about what you can get, as opposed to what you can contribute.

Tafida Raqeeb: Disabled girl moved to Italy is 'fully awake', mum says

Tafida Raqeeb's mother says citizenship could ensure her continued treatment at hospital in Genoa.

news.sky.com

Brain-damaged Tafida, 5, arrives in Italy for care

Hospital bosses in the UK had tried to block attempts to move Tafida Raqeeb to the hospital in Genoa.

www.bbc.co.uk

The mother is saying she is 'awake' although this seems to be the usual weird shit that happens with brain damaged people where bits move under certain stimulus. I suspect the mother is deeply delusional about this kids' chances.

The money seems to be on tap for this, shit indefinitely though, how nice. One look at that kid's face and her eyes and it is clear nobody is home anymore.

 

[Pimpkin Pumpkin]

Anyway, the British Muslim potato Tafida Raqueeb has arrived in Genoa in Italy where the hospital admits they can't do much for her but pretend to be invested in 'sanctity of life' (notice not the quality of life or dignity, oh no) although given they admit this is all costing plenty of money it's as likely sanctity of life would be less important if they weren't going to have the care bills met indefinitely. They have put in a trach. The parents are now talking getting Italian citizenship for the corpse-kid, which rubs me up the wrong way for various reasons, including just the downright entitlement of it all, as if citizenship is all about what you can get, as opposed to what you can contribute.

Tafida Raqeeb: Disabled girl moved to Italy is 'fully awake', mum says

Tafida Raqeeb's mother says citizenship could ensure her continued treatment at hospital in Genoa.

news.sky.com

Brain-damaged Tafida, 5, arrives in Italy for care

Hospital bosses in the UK had tried to block attempts to move Tafida Raqeeb to the hospital in Genoa.

www.bbc.co.uk

The mother is saying she is 'awake' although this seems to be the usual weird shit that happens with brain damaged people where bits move under certain stimulus. I suspect the mother is deeply delusional about this kids' chances.

The money seems to be on tap for this, shit indefinitely though, how nice. One look at that kid's face and her eyes and it is clear nobody is home anymore.

It’s mind blowing to me that this is the only place I’ve seen anything about this story. Either the British public are getting desensitised to potato drama (unlikely) or they’re not interested because the kid isn’t white.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

IIRC, there was an article about this in The Guardian.

 

[Skullshatterer]

It's already utterly idiotic to keep a severely brain damaged human alive but keeping an already brain-dead human, especially a child, it's beyond what words can describe. It's so horrifying it should work well as a theme of a horror movie, yet this shit is real and people are openly supporting this.

Im glad the UK isn't accepting these people delusions and just telling them they'll have to face reality. Same with this last Bobby case, gladly it didn't evolve into another corpse being maintained past its expiration date, well at least not for very long.

It's very sad to think how those religious nutjobs and ignorant people make it look as if donating organs is somehow bad— I try to keep an open mind and respect for religious people because you can't generalize them all but— my opinion on it will be always the same, religion grants people a safe-box so people that don't want to think for themselves or that don't want to face harsh realities will always have somewhere to retreat and stay comfy. No need to think hard about grey subjects, all rules come in a neatly wrapped package. And if they don't agree they can just ignore it. It's only brought up when it's needed.

 

[AnOminous]

It's already utterly idiotic to keep a severely brain damaged human alive but keeping an already brain-dead human, especially a child, it's beyond what words can describe. It's so horrifying it should work well as a theme of a horror movie, yet this shit is real and people are openly supporting this.

Im glad the UK isn't accepting these people delusions and just telling them they'll have to face reality. Same with this last Bobby case, gladly it didn't evolve into another corpse being maintained past its expiration date, well at least not for very long.

I don't really approve of an organization as fucked and insane as the UK government having the power of life and death or to overrule the parents' wishes. This is a government that thinks calling an obvious man "he" should be punished by more time behind bars than burglarizing a house. They made the right call on a couple cases but I wouldn't trust them to make it every time.

That said there really should be a limit of how much gets spent on worthless potatoes when actually living children are in desperate need of adequate medical care. How many real kids have to suffer to raise the millions of dollars a brain dead potato costs?

 

[Skullshatterer]

I don't really approve of an organization as fucked and insane as the UK government having the power of life and death or to overrule the parents' wishes. This is a government that thinks calling an obvious man "he" should be punished by more time behind bars than burglarizing a house. They made the right call on a couple cases but I wouldn't trust them to make it every time.

That said there really should be a limit of how much gets spent on worthless potatoes when actually living children are in desperate need of adequate medical care. How many real kids have to suffer to raise the millions of dollars a brain dead potato costs?

Well, that's a good point. I actually was only thinking of the Alfie case and such, where futile and costly treatment should not continue to be paid by taxpayer's money.

I also hate seeing potatoes receiving govt money while so many people, of all ages, could have been benefiting of the treatment and resources.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

It’s mind blowing to me that this is the only place I’ve seen anything about this story. Either the British public are getting desensitised to potato drama (unlikely) or they’re not interested because the kid isn’t white.

There's stuff all over the print and web media and it was all reported during the court case. It didn't escalate to the ruckus they had with Evans ant other one because the court actually caved, specifically I think because they were RoP-ers. So it's not going to make headlines anyomore, especially given there are bigger stories right now, with the ongoing Brexit stuff, and ER being exceptional all over London and making stupid gluey cunts of themselves on public transport, not to mention the football and sporting dramas of late. We've had a run on vegetable kids and they're last year's thing anyway. This one now she's out the country will fade from view unless the parents decide to keep the papers here on the hook for their own purposes,

 

[Allo Vera]

being exceptional all over London and making stupid gluey cunts of themselves

I think you’ve summed up Extinction Rebellion pretty well there.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

I think you’ve summed up Extinction Rebellion pretty well there.

Trust me, stupid gluey cunts is the nicest thing I have to say about them.

 

[Spicy Tacos]

I looked over at the Save Bobby page to see what they are up to. They are actively hunting for “moles”, blocking them from the group, and trying to dox them.

They want everyone in the group to leave a bad review for the hospital.

The group is also trying to get laws changed so hospitals are never allowed to disconnect children from life support without the parents approval.

Some in the group are looking at new laws about organ donation. I’m don’t know if they want it to be illegal or not. Some seem to just want organs from children to be illegal.

The mother is planning a huge funeral with the donation money.

I’m guessing she is not going to pay one penny to the hospital for her son’s care. I hope the IRS comes for her, just like they did for Jahi’s mom (who spent her donation money on designer purses, steak dinners, and top shelf wine).

 

[Pimpkin Pumpkin]

I think you’ve

I looked over at the Save Bobby page to see what they are up to. They are actively hunting for “moles”, blocking them from the group, and trying to dox them.

They want everyone in the group to leave a bad review for the hospital.

The group is also trying to get laws changed so hospitals are never allowed to disconnect children from life support without the parents approval.

Some in the group are looking at new laws about organ donation. I’m don’t know if they want it to illegal or not. Some seem to just want organs from children to be illegal.

The mother is planning a huge funeral with the donation money.

I’m guessing she is not going to pay one penny to the hospital for her son’s care. I hope the IRS comes for her, just like they did for Jahi’s mom (who spent her donation money on designer purses, steak dinners, and top shelf wine).

That last point is what confuses me so much about these US cases. I’m guessing that even with assistance/insurance that the sheer amount of intense care required would rack up hefty costs. In cases like this, are they advised at all about costs? I assume if they did, there’d probably be fewer crazy insistent parents, but still.

I’m sure they’d be so proud of themselves if they somehow got their organ ban approved, then one of the kids they pray for can only be saved by a donor organ from a similar aged kid.