Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[RumblyTumbly]

So your describing what is basically a very good way to lose money in the long run, too scared to just have the balls to do what they know will make money, so they listen to elitist bullies whom they mistakenly think have a huge amount of influence on what normies like.

And yeah using the "It failed because of racists" won't work forever, after a while people will get used to hearing that and no longer care, so they won't be able to shame people into watching their trash as people will become inoculated to those insults too and no longer care about the crap they are pushing.

It is amazing to me how far people will bend over backwards to appease emotionally unstable weirdos.

I was talking to a friend last night about the "Big Mouth Season 3 Controversy" and the more he told me, the more annoyed I became. Apparently the controversy got so intense from the Alphabet People, that one of the co-creators of the show posted an apology: (full recap here: https://www.distractify.com/p/big-mouth-controversy)

And finally I said "You can't apologize to these people in cases like this" and he said "He has to. He has no choice. If he doesn't, he'll never get work again". That kind of mental and emotional captivity to tip toe around people's extreme sensitivities is just sad and tragic to me.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

It is amazing to me how far people will bend over backwards to appease emotionally unstable weirdos.

I was talking to a friend last night about the "Big Mouth Season 3 Controversy" and the more he told me, the more annoyed I became. Apparently the controversy got so intense from the Alphabet People, that one of the co-creators of the show posted an apology: (full recap here: https://www.distractify.com/p/big-mouth-controversy)

And finally I said "You can't apologize to these people in cases like this" and he said "He has to. He has no choice. If he doesn't, he'll never get work again". That kind of mental and emotional captivity to tip toe around people's extreme sensitivities is just sad and tragic to me.

"He has to because...because people didn't like what he said!"

What's funny is if they had the balls to not apologize they could actually end this bullshit sooner because eventually the whiners will realise they can't influence creators anymore. It's their own fucking fault really.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

It is amazing to me how far people will bend over backwards to appease emotionally unstable weirdos.

I was talking to a friend last night about the "Big Mouth Season 3 Controversy" and the more he told me, the more annoyed I became. Apparently the controversy got so intense from the Alphabet People, that one of the co-creators of the show posted an apology: (full recap here: https://www.distractify.com/p/big-mouth-controversy)

And finally I said "You can't apologize to these people in cases like this" and he said "He has to. He has no choice. If he doesn't, he'll never get work again". That kind of mental and emotional captivity to tip toe around people's extreme sensitivities is just sad and tragic to me.

He should apologize for working on such a trash show

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Oh I’m definitely going to enjoy this, just in a semi-ironic sense.

Which is why I am calling you a retard.
I know I could be nicer about this, but holy shit, that's some ass backwards logic you are employing.

“Haha! Take that man babies! It’s going to outgross Endgame! We tells ya!”

‘Star Wars’ Rising: ‘Skywalker’ Pre-Sales Nearly Double ‘Avengers: Engame’

Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker won’t reach theaters until December 20th but the mega-release from Disney’s Lucasfilm Ltd. was already breaking records on Monday nig…

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Still predicting a massive drop in audience number come the second week. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a dropoff of 70-75%.
Fanboys scramble and climb over one another to be the first to watch it, which will clog up the first week... then, once those guys have watched (and possibly rewatched) it, numbers will decrease rapidly. This is what's happening with the presales atm. Also Disney buying tickets themselves is still a viable possibility.

What if they pulled a page out of the Karate Kid playbook where the master is seemingly doing nothing, but was actually teaching Rey the whole time without her realizing it

Heh. When I watched TLJ, that was what I thought was going to happen. I figured "This is where Luke teaches Rey about humility or forces her to do things that turn out as a good training"... then we got to the titty milk scene and I was like "Well, nope. This movie is just fucking with me by showing me this inane, offensive crap".

Turns out, I was giving Ruin Johnson too much credit when I thought he'd go for something as bland and generic as the "it actually was training all along" trope.
It's actually just Luke not training Rey and that's it.

 

[Ghostse]

For people doing their profitiability calculations:
1) The short hand is double the budget. Films with big hype machines are closer triple; I haven't been seeing a lot of hype for TLJ, with Disney seeming relying on a lot of "grass roots" "organic" hype. Think about that.
2) Stop repeating the 75% reshoots lie or I will start tweeting Cuck Wendig about your favorite un-killed, un-blacked character so Disney will ruin them. The could not have reshot 75% of the movie, the only movie that could maybe, MAYBE have been reshot in 3 months would be a pure green-screen film like Sky Captain. (Insert jokes about the level of modern CGI). Assuming 75% of the film is being altered, I would expect no more than 10-20 million extra budget at the high end.
(unless disney bucks my predictions, and takes a knee and a write off on EPIX, in which case expect them to tack on as many costs as they possiblycan).
2a) Even pretending that they reshoot 75% of the movie, 75% reshoots does not mean 75% increase in budget. They are likely not re-doing any large practical effects, and most contracts have provisions requiring actors to participate in reshoots either free or at a pre-negotiated per-diem rate. A large chunk of a movie budget is salaries for cast and high-level crew which includes bonus and incentives, fees that won't be duplicated when you have to do reshoots.
The only extra cost would be any hourly studio crew, and that might not be a direct extra cost because the studios usually have a surplus labor pool on-site and on-hand, sometimes doing busy work, to cover this sort of thing.

“Haha! Take that man babies! It’s going to outgross Endgame! We tells ya!”

‘Star Wars’ Rising: ‘Skywalker’ Pre-Sales Nearly Double ‘Avengers: Engame’

Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker won’t reach theaters until December 20th but the mega-release from Disney’s Lucasfilm Ltd. was already breaking records on Monday nig…

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This means they are worried. Presales help build hype but also lets disney (essentially) launder tickets since presales aren't obligated to show up, and could be buying tickets with discount codes or otherwise getting refunded for purchase.

Still saying 1B box office, under a million by february.

 

[Antipathy]

There's still mixed hype in some extreme soyboy circles like r/starwars, but otherwise, I've heard nothing from anyone I know.

Huh.

 

[Ghostse]

There's still mixed hype in some extreme soyboy circles like r/starwars, but otherwise, I've heard nothing from anyone I know.

Huh.

Let me put a little fine point on what I was trying to say:
Ads, billboards, theaters pushing events and showings... professional advertising costs money. There's no big EPIX pro-media push, just a trailer, soy boys creaming themselves to the trailer, Rage Against the Machine's new hit "Shilling in the Name of!", and a spat of bean-flicking about Babu Frik (but no one stan babu for very long for some reason. Hmmm) because spending money will increase the amount of money EPIX needs to bring in to turn a profit.
Its almost as if they're....cutting their losses?

 

[XYZpdq]

Now is the time for Lensman to rise again.

I think I heard the Smith estate is sitting on it.

 

[Tsusaba109]

more confirmations of the leaks

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

2a) Even pretending that they reshoot 75% of the movie, 75% reshoots does not mean 75% increase in budget. They are likely not re-doing any large practical effects, and most contracts have provisions requiring actors to participate in reshoots either free or at a pre-negotiated per-diem rate. A large chunk of a movie budget is salaries for cast and high-level crew which includes bonus and incentives, fees that won't be duplicated when you have to do reshoots.
The only extra cost would be any hourly studio crew, and that might not be a direct extra cost because the studios usually have a surplus labor pool on-site and on-hand, sometimes doing busy work, to cover this sort of thing.

Allegedly they have a new FX platform that they tested on the Mandalorian which allows them to redo effect shots much faster

Also their have been multiple edits being done so thats costly (and tests if any they did)

 

[InsolentGaylord]

more confirmations of the leaks
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HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT LEAKING SO EASILY?!

 

[Antipathy]

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT LEAKING SO EASILY?!

We have someone with a soul on the inside, perhaps.

 

[Creep3r]

Let me put a little fine point on what I was trying to say:
Ads, billboards, theaters pushing events and showings... professional advertising costs money. There's no big EPIX pro-media push, just a trailer, soy boys creaming themselves to the trailer, Rage Against the Machine's new hit "Shilling in the Name of!", and a spat of bean-flicking about Babu Frik (but no one stan babu for very long for some reason. Hmmm) because spending money will increase the amount of money EPIX needs to bring in to turn a profit.
Its almost as if they're....cutting their losses?

True dat. I've been traveling a lot this week and I haven't seen a single ad, billboard or poster for IX while TFA and TLJ had shit everywhere. Instead all I see is leftover shit from Far From Home, Avengers and Joker. There's Joker ads everywhere telling me to smile darn ya smile. Meanwhile I haven't seen IX merch in any store, Walmart, grocery store or super market. Only SW merch I've seen are Rey pez dispensers and Ziploc bags in two grocery stores. That's it. Seriously. There's nothing else. Only place I found any SW shit at all was at one Walmart Supercenter that had one small section in the toy aisle full of unsold re-released ROTJ "Vintage" merch. Also a bargain bin filled with TFA, Solo and TLJ blue rays and whatnot.

Vintage Collection Gamorrean Guard Re-Release | VC21 Hasbro Star Wars

There are some subtle differences between the original release and the re-release of the Star Wars Vintage Collection Gamorrean Guard. Improvements to the fr...

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The Rey Pez shit doesn't even come in unique packaging like they did in TLJ.

Its the same generic wrapper as everything else. In fact, I'm pretty sure these are leftovers from TLJ.

The only difference is there are no Porg, BB-8 or Vader pez. Just Rey.

Edit: ... Wait... Do pez come out of the Porg's ass?!

 

[Ghostse]

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT LEAKING SO EASILY?!

We have someone with a soul on the inside, perhaps.

Not everyone has drunk the soy. Lots of rank and file at LFL wanted to work on Star Wars and not nuWars, and aren't happy about the way the mouse is destroying what they love and often grew up loving. Some of the more machiavellian may be unhappy about being passed over in favor of screeching outsiders who have an active hate for the franchise. But after TLJ they have learned they aren't alone, they have people who will use the ammunition they are leaking out; if they do get Bothan'd, it won't be for nothing. Kennedy is not popular with anyone outside of her inner circle. She is bleeding, and this is the chance to push her out, or least salvage some pride; "I told them this was a bad idea, they didn't listen, so best do my part to make sure this goes as wrong as possible so the fans won't let this happen again".

 

[Kari Kamiya]

'Kay I haven't been keeping tabs on the thread here so I'm missing out on a lot of stuff (and I'm going to be reading through to hopefully catch up in time to witness the heat death of the franchise in present time), but I just came in here to make a mark that last night was the night in which my dad officially admitted he's no longer as big of a fan as he used to be. He still likes Star Wars and what it stands for (he mentioned that The Mandalorian looks interesting except it's Disney Plus exclusive and he thinks it can work just fine as a movie--that's basically what became of the Boba Fett movie, right?), but he can't bring himself to like what's become of it and it may have tainted his view of his favorite franchise.

But he still watched the final trailer and I believe he still feels like he's obligated to take his nephew to see it before his jackass of a dad does, but he's not excited for it. He's not happy about it anymore. He's trying to move on, but he can't escape this zombie franchise that exists to mock that what made the franchise so beloved.

And to think, it was only like two years ago when he was sperging to me about one of the books that covered Han Solo's backstory in how he spent a good six months or so in a prison cell with Chewbacca and learned the language in that time period, and that there was another book that had a survival horror theme to it because of zombie viruses or something. I never caught the title of the book, and it was just before Solo came out and he was just happy to talk about Star Wars with his kid even though his morale on the series had taken a serious beating from The Last Jedi yet still remained somewhat optimistic. It's the same way with the Marvel movies, but Star Wars was more important to him, and he has to suffer with everyone else for the simple fact that the majority of fans who enjoyed those properties are fucking white maaaaales and need to be punished.

Going Old Yeller on this franchise isn't going to turn back the clock and make my dad, nor anyone else and their dads, become the giddy, lovable nerd of yesteryear again short of building a time machine to spare Star Wars from the bullshit knowing what we know now.

 

[BrunoMattei]

For people doing their profitiability calculations:
1) The short hand is double the budget. Films with big hype machines are closer triple; I haven't been seeing a lot of hype for TLJ, with Disney seeming relying on a lot of "grass roots" "organic" hype. Think about that.
2) Stop repeating the 75% reshoots lie or I will start tweeting Cuck Wendig about your favorite un-killed, un-blacked character so Disney will ruin them. The could not have reshot 75% of the movie, the only movie that could maybe, MAYBE have been reshot in 3 months would be a pure green-screen film like Sky Captain. (Insert jokes about the level of modern CGI). Assuming 75% of the film is being altered, I would expect no more than 10-20 million extra budget at the high end.
(unless disney bucks my predictions, and takes a knee and a write off on EPIX, in which case expect them to tack on as many costs as they possiblycan).
2a) Even pretending that they reshoot 75% of the movie, 75% reshoots does not mean 75% increase in budget. They are likely not re-doing any large practical effects, and most contracts have provisions requiring actors to participate in reshoots either free or at a pre-negotiated per-diem rate. A large chunk of a movie budget is salaries for cast and high-level crew which includes bonus and incentives, fees that won't be duplicated when you have to do reshoots.
The only extra cost would be any hourly studio crew, and that might not be a direct extra cost because the studios usually have a surplus labor pool on-site and on-hand, sometimes doing busy work, to cover this sort of thing.



This means they are worried. Presales help build hype but also lets disney (essentially) launder tickets since presales aren't obligated to show up, and could be buying tickets with discount codes or otherwise getting refunded for purchase.

Still saying 1B box office, under a million by february.

It's actually triple the budget. Bruce Campbell confirmed that for Army of Darkness and why it bombed.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Going Old Yeller on this franchise isn't going to turn back the clock and make my dad, nor anyone else and their dads, become the giddy, lovable nerd of yesteryear again short of building a time machine to spare Star Wars from the bullshit knowing what we know now.

Time is going to be key to mending the wounds

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

The one thing they haven't done yet, their one saving grace, is that from the Original Trilogy onwards, Palpatine was badass. Yeah, he did a bunch of dumb stuff in books and comic books, but nobody took a shit on Palpatine when it mattered. Not even the prequels wrecked him, if anything, they elevated him. He was the real star of the show there. Palpatine is the franchise's last unmarred Original Gangster and this movie's main hook appears to be Star Wars Episode 9: The One Where We Shit On Emperor Palpatine.

Good luck with that.

 

[Antipathy]

'Kay I haven't been keeping tabs on the thread here so I'm missing out on a lot of stuff (and I'm going to be reading through to hopefully catch up in time to witness the heat death of the franchise in present time), but I just came in here to make a mark that last night was the night in which my dad officially admitted he's no longer as big of a fan as he used to be. He still likes Star Wars and what it stands for (he mentioned that The Mandalorian looks interesting except it's Disney Plus exclusive and he thinks it can work just fine as a movie--that's basically what became of the Boba Fett movie, right?), but he can't bring himself to like what's become of it and it may have tainted his view of his favorite franchise.

But he still watched the final trailer and I believe he still feels like he's obligated to take his nephew to see it before his jackass of a dad does, but he's not excited for it. He's not happy about it anymore. He's trying to move on, but he can't escape this zombie franchise that exists to mock that what made the franchise so beloved.

And to think, it was only like two years ago when he was sperging to me about one of the books that covered Han Solo's backstory in how he spent a good six months or so in a prison cell with Chewbacca and learned the language in that time period, and that there was another book that had a survival horror theme to it because of zombie viruses or something. I never caught the title of the book, and it was just before Solo came out and he was just happy to talk about Star Wars with his kid even though his morale on the series had taken a serious beating from The Last Jedi yet still remained somewhat optimistic. It's the same way with the Marvel movies, but Star Wars was more important to him, and he has to suffer with everyone else for the simple fact that the majority of fans who enjoyed those properties are fucking white maaaaales and need to be punished.

Going Old Yeller on this franchise isn't going to turn back the clock and make my dad, nor anyone else and their dads, become the giddy, lovable nerd of yesteryear again short of building a time machine to spare Star Wars from the bullshit knowing what we know now.

Go to page 709, get the leaks, and tell your father what is contained.
Save him. Tell him that it's over, and that denial only extends the grieving process.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

'Kay I haven't been keeping tabs on the thread here so I'm missing out on a lot of stuff (and I'm going to be reading through to hopefully catch up in time to witness the heat death of the franchise in present time), but I just came in here to make a mark that last night was the night in which my dad officially admitted he's no longer as big of a fan as he used to be. He still likes Star Wars and what it stands for (he mentioned that The Mandalorian looks interesting except it's Disney Plus exclusive and he thinks it can work just fine as a movie--that's basically what became of the Boba Fett movie, right?), but he can't bring himself to like what's become of it and it may have tainted his view of his favorite franchise.

But he still watched the final trailer and I believe he still feels like he's obligated to take his nephew to see it before his jackass of a dad does, but he's not excited for it. He's not happy about it anymore. He's trying to move on, but he can't escape this zombie franchise that exists to mock that what made the franchise so beloved.

And to think, it was only like two years ago when he was sperging to me about one of the books that covered Han Solo's backstory in how he spent a good six months or so in a prison cell with Chewbacca and learned the language in that time period, and that there was another book that had a survival horror theme to it because of zombie viruses or something. I never caught the title of the book, and it was just before Solo came out and he was just happy to talk about Star Wars with his kid even though his morale on the series had taken a serious beating from The Last Jedi yet still remained somewhat optimistic. It's the same way with the Marvel movies, but Star Wars was more important to him, and he has to suffer with everyone else for the simple fact that the majority of fans who enjoyed those properties are fucking white maaaaales and need to be punished.

Going Old Yeller on this franchise isn't going to turn back the clock and make my dad, nor anyone else and their dads, become the giddy, lovable nerd of yesteryear again short of building a time machine to spare Star Wars from the bullshit knowing what we know now.

Depending on how your father reacts, maybe you should tell him there's rumors that Rey is now capable of teleporting lightsabres across the galaxy and she's also the granddaughter of Palpatine.
Oh, and Rey can disable an entire fleet of literally hundreds of Star Destroyers with Force Lightning.
Edit: Also Rey apparently consumes the souls of all dead Jedi to power up for that stunt.

The one thing they haven't done yet, their one saving grace, is that from the Original Trilogy onwards, Palpatine was badass. Yeah, he did a bunch of dumb stuff in books and comic books, but nobody took a shit on Palpatine when it mattered. Not even the prequels wrecked him, if anything, they elevated him. He was the real star of the show there. Palpatine is the franchise's last unmarred Original Gangster and this movie's main hook appears to be Star Wars Episode 9: The One Where We Shit On Emperor Palpatine.

Good luck with that.

He's not been ruined yet. Yet. Such a terrible word.