Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[L50LasPak]

where does ENT falls? i Think it's tolerable despite it's flaws, it certainly was not as bad as STD is

ENT has vaguely the same issue Discovery has in that the writing was really "modernized" to try and match up with what is currently popular on TV. In Discovery's case its this SJ crap, in ENT's case it seemed like the producers would rather have been making a Stargate series instead. (Not knocking Stargate, its just that tone didn't match up with Star Trek terribly well).

 

[Zaryiu]

ENT has vaguely the same issue Discovery has in that the writing was really "modernized" to try and match up with what is currently popular on TV. In Discovery's case its this SJ crap, in ENT's case it seemed like the producers would rather have been making a Stargate series instead. (Not knocking Stargate, its just that tone didn't match up with Star Trek terribly well).

But i remember post here that said by the end got good, i can't think STD will ever even get that going for it

 

[L50LasPak]

But i remember post here that said by the end got good, i can't think STD will ever even get that going for it

ENT's final season being "good" is still a matter of debate as far as I'm concerned. It was clear they were trying harder though. Discovery might get better, but I think the mechanics of the industry are going to prevent that just by sheer interia.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

ENT benefits a lot from the prequel trilogy thing where a franchise has gotten so bad that things you used to dislike now seem good in comparison.

 

[Travoltron]

But i remember post here that said by the end got good, i can't think STD will ever even get that going for it

I haven't seen much of Enterprise, but I did see some of season 4 and thought it was pretty OK. Like perhaps at Voyager level of B- to C+ Trek. Then the finale was a piece of trash just like the first three seasons

 

[Stab You in the Back]

ENT's final season being "good" is still a matter of debate as far as I'm concerned.

Better writing was never going to make any of the main characters interesting, unfortunately. Both DS9 and Voy added new characters in season 4 when they were struggling. Ent should have done the same thing and replaced Reed with Shran or Hoshi with an inanimate carbon rod.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Better writing was never going to make any of the main characters interesting, unfortunately. Both DS9 and Voy added new characters in season 4 when they were struggling. Ent should have done the same thing and replaced Reed with Shran or Hoshi with an inanimate carbon rod.

Also the Temporal Cold War was trash
The Xindi Arc was Recyclables (I.E. Clean Trash)
FINAL SEASON gave us what we always wanted
"Forming of the Federation"
and
"First Romulan War"

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I got you there too.

2 minutes and 22 seconds of dialogue.
And it's absolutely amazing. The mutual respect, the way how ranks and hierarchy shapes this conversation, and still a personal note about their friendship - it's amazing.
Frankly, it's a bit stilted, but highly effective.

 

[AnOminous]

2 minutes and 22 seconds of dialogue.
And it's absolutely amazing. The mutual respect, the way how ranks and hierarchy shapes this conversation, and still a personal note about their friendship - it's amazing.
Frankly, it's a bit stilted, but highly effective.

It's two minutes but it says a lot about the culture the two characters are from and if you spent time unpacking it and explaining its context, it would take a lot longer. There's a lot there, and it fits precisely into its world. The contrast couldn't be more stark with the pathetic attempt to imitate Joss Whedon snark, which other than the characters wearing Starfleet uniforms has zero to do with anything Star Trek.

 

[Flexo]

Frankly, it's a bit stilted, but highly effective.

One of them is a literal emotionless android and the other is a Klingon with a rod up his ass so he doesn't kill all you idiots.

What else would you expect?

 

[ZMOT]

Watching that Trek short, the pissy Captain and H Jon Benjamin (who I like a lot BTW) almost appears to be a parody of Star Trek or like something else entirely. That captain is way too unprofessional to be in a position of authority in the Star Fleet I know, and Benjamin's presence instantly makes me think of Archer and Coach McGuirk, two figures that wouldn't fit into Star Fleet at all.

my assumption is all that woke numale and feminist writers have zero fucking idea what a hierarchy or any power structure looks like. you can see it all over the place where the bad guys are stupid caricatures and the whole setup makes no sense since anyone sane can immediately that shit would never work the way it does, and the heroes are two-dimensional walking character traits defeating evil by losing the special olympics of being slightly less exceptional.
then add zero writing talent and using it as a personal coping device "this person was mean to me, I will write a character just like it, make it stupid and fail at the end in the worst way possible - that will show him/her!". TDS on a smaller scale.

but then what would you expect from people where the only authority figure is their single mom you can passive-aggressively give lip while whining about it on instagram for some hashtag-hugs?

ENT has vaguely the same issue Discovery has in that the writing was really "modernized" to try and match up with what is currently popular on TV. In Discovery's case its this SJ crap, in ENT's case it seemed like the producers would rather have been making a Stargate series instead. (Not knocking Stargate, its just that tone didn't match up with Star Trek terribly well).

it was fine for ENT since it plays even before TOS. basically space wild west. even TOS feels off for me coming from TNG. where it bungled where the stories, as
Manwithn0n0men mentioned temporal cold war and xindi arc dragged on for way too long.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's two minutes but it says a lot about the culture the two characters are from and if you spent time unpacking it and explaining its context, it would take a lot longer. There's a lot there, and it fits precisely into its world. The contrast couldn't be more stark with the pathetic attempt to imitate Joss Whedon snark, which other than the characters wearing Starfleet uniforms has zero to do with anything Star Trek.

Absolutely.
I particularly like how Data asks Worf nicely to come to the other room, so they can have that conversation in private.
Imagine that same setup written by the STD-writers. If your imagination can even produce such horrors...

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It's two minutes but it says a lot about the culture the two characters are from and if you spent time unpacking it and explaining its context, it would take a lot longer. There's a lot there, and it fits precisely into its world.

It's not just that it fits into their world, it fits into our world: the brass can't have public disagreements in front of the lower ranks without effecting coordination and morale. This is Leadership 101 stuff, but it's not something that turns up on TV a lot because it's not dramatic.

The contrast couldn't be more stark with the pathetic attempt to imitate Joss Whedon snark, which other than the characters wearing Starfleet uniforms has zero to do with anything Star Trek.

Honestly, that's what it felt like when I was watching the clip: like I was seeing a Buffy episode where they get trapped in a sci-fi dream/illusion/parallel world/whatever, and pre-character development Cordelia winds up as the captain for some fucking reason.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I knew Discovery was bad, but the 2 or 3 snippets of it in this video alone... Fuck.
Whoever wrote Captain Stronk-Womyn should be beaten to death with a typewriter.

The "He was an idiot" made me recoil from the screen. I shit you not.
Jesus fucking Christ. The saddest bit about STD is that despite everything, the cockmunchers behind it will never lose their jobs, no matter how much they suck at it. A monkey smearing feces on a giant piece of paper could be trusted to write a better script.

I just saw this on YouTube. Fucking hell, man. And she’s the captain?!

 

[UnKillFill]

Some of (if not all of) these have been posted here at some point or another... Though I don't think I've seen them all together in a single post... Either way, here is a fun reminder of some random Trek songs from over the years that I'm listening to tonight (This is by no means a comprehensive list, feel free to add any I might be forgetting). Anything to not think of the shit that passes for "Star Trek" these days...

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

There's also another Picard song by Pogo.

And I'm just gonna count this one as a song too.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Some of (if not all of) these have been posted here at some point or another... Though I don't think I've seen them all together in a single post... Either way, here is a fun reminder of some random Trek songs from over the years that I'm listening to tonight (This is by no means a comprehensive list, feel free to add any I might be forgetting). Anything to not think of the shit that passes for "Star Trek" these days...

Can't go without "Banned from Argo":

 

[UnKillFill]

Can't go without "Banned from Argo":

I hadn't heard that one... And I'm ashamed to say, I don't get the reference... but for whatever reason that reminded me of a Voyager song that I forgot-

Also take the new and improved Enterprise theme, because remembering one disappointment reminded me of another...

 

[Stoneheart]

uhh uhh i have one too!

 

[Uranus Pink]

Since we are posting Star Trek music videos.