Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The thing about masks/helmets is that they have a very powerful thematic and cultural history going back basically to the first time man ever made clothes. Masks can signify false identities, theatrics, mourning, defensiveness, secrecy, and more. The concept of "the man behind the mask" being scary/impressive for being ordinary isn't a new one either, most famously the Wizard Of Oz's reveal of just being a man behind a curtain.

By revealing to the entire audience that Kylo is human, and an ordinary looking one, and an emotional one, the mystery is dissolved. Him just showing only characters his face, and them reacting in shock and horror could work, especially if his face is hidden until the end, when it's revealed he's been human.

In order for this to really, truly work, the magnitude of his misdeed should have been far greater. He should have been more than an edgy tryhard Vader, he should have been a monster. Then and only then would everything make sense upon the reveal, as the true horror wasn't that he was malformed or an alien or a robot, the true stab to the gut could have been that he was an ordinary man. This would also be fucking poetry with Vader and Palpatine, since let's go over them

Palpatine's face was, according to some EU stuff, always mangled the way it was. That's just what being a Sith did to you. He hid his rot beneath a mask projected by the Force, and he discarded it to show his villainous nature.
Vader wore a mask to hide the fact that he wasn't just a man, but a broken and vulnerable one. The mask kept him alive, and the mask kept him mysterious. He wore a mask to hide his weakness.

This new sith I created could have had the best of both worlds, keeping themask on for an air of mystery, and discarding it to demonstrate to certain captives that anyone could fall to darkness.

Indeed, they had to make Kylo even worse than he was at the movie so then when we see he is just a man, the fact that you could be him is way scarier. YOU could be Kylo Ren if you dont control your darkside and that could have been the scary thing about him, a realized Vader with no lost limbs with only his inner conflict holding him back. Honestly, they should have made Kylo Ren's origins be around stuff more out of his control (and I dont mean just the dark side), I pictured him being the foil to Luke's idealism, Luke sees hope where Ben only saw corruption that had to be dealt with.

Luke: We can teach and show these people a better way.
Ben: What if they dont want to? What if they are okay with doing evil? What if they force us to do something drastic?
Luke:....dont think of scenarios that didnt happen yet. You are young, you still have a lot to learn.

He wants to believe in his uncle, he really does but the galaxy is barely improved because evil people dont WANT to change and get better. I imagine many more examples, showing Ben changing into Kylo and hell, seeing the dark side as a sad necessity or even believing he could USE the Dark Side but not be consumed by it.

Gesh, when you realize you could have made something better. I personally am writing something in my spare time and I think some of that effort is leaking on my "What I would have done" since, you know, I care about consistent universe and character.

God damn it,Disney.

Edit: Hell, make the mask actually be a way for him to hide his own shame. What I mean is that Kylo hates what he is doing and becoming deep down so as long he has the Mask on, he can believe its Kylo Ren doing these things and not Ben solo (who would never).
 
Catching up on my weekly DSP fill and who shows up in Call of Duty?

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This is fucking pathetic lmao, is the game industry this bad that they can only find one - ugly as sin - actor to fill all their superfluous black lady roles?

TBF you could say roughly the same thing about how everyone hires Jennifer Hale for every single female voice, and Nolan North, or Steve Blum for anime dubs. The obvious caveat here is these folks are good at their jobs, and I have no idea how well this lady is. If she's good or at least competent, you're going to see game companies go for the Safe Bet™ who's been to the rodeo before.
 
The thing is, that’s literally what he was INTENDED to be portrayed as: this bratty child who wants more than anything to be like Vader, who’s so deeply brainwashed with Dark Side ideology that he’s willing to murder his own father. He’s not supposed to be imposing, he’s supposed to be pathetic. He’s the antithesis of the big bad, literally nothing more than Snoke’s puppet.

Kylo killing Han should have been the turning point for the character - where he realizes that he’s gone past the point of no return, and regrets everything, turning on the dark side yet knowing that he will never be accepted by the protagonists. Perhaps he would spend the second movie trying to aid Rey and co. only to be rebuffed, and then barges into the climax of the last film for a heroic sacrifice.

Exactly. When I first saw TFA, I thought the character was supposed to be a parody of prequel Anakin: a whiny, self-absorbed Darth Vader LARPer who had immense power but none of the maturity or discipline to use it to best effect. As I saw it, he was supposed to be Snoke's conflicted henchman, so him losing to Rey in their first duel didn't matter much; he wasn't the big bad.

Then TLJ happened. *sigh*
 
As I saw it, he was supposed to be Snoke's conflicted henchman, so him losing to Rey in their first duel didn't matter much; he wasn't the big bad.

Or someone else's tool.

My impression overall is that Kylo Ren doesn't really work as a character, which is a shame because I rather like the idea going in a different direction than Vader.

I suspect it's like Finn, a concept that was potentially interesting sunk in the name of subverting expectations.

For that matter, isn't it sad that something as reasonable and desirable as "don't do the obvious" has turned into a sarcastic meme meaning "ruin shit and expect to be praised for it?"
 
Yeah, Butts is just a giant actor. Nobody in a reasonable state of mind would immediately start crying and hyperventilating at the Lucasfilm logo, even at the fucking peak of their quality. The most excited and emotional I've ever been in my fucking life doesn't hold a candle to this guy's overblown reaction to Rey standing in a desert doing nothing.
Remember: THIS is the fanbase Disney wants to cultivate
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The thing is, that’s literally what he was INTENDED to be portrayed as: this bratty child who wants more than anything to be like Vader, who’s so deeply brainwashed with Dark Side ideology that he’s willing to murder his own father. He’s not supposed to be imposing, he’s supposed to be pathetic. He’s the antithesis of the big bad, literally nothing more than Snoke’s puppet.


Having Kylo as pathetic isn't a bad idea, but the movies did need villains we could respect alongside him so we could fear for the lives of our heroes.

Kylo and Snoke besides being poor ripoffs off Vader and the emperor were overall poor villains with Snoke even dying like an amateur in the second movie, not even surviving enough for a trilogy.

Besides J.J leeching of the original trilogy to get people to go to see his movies, this is the main reason he brought back Palpatine, the series never had a real villain you respected, and if you don't respect the villain then it's not impressive when our heroes win.

In the prequels, Obi-Wan defeating grievous was great because that cyborg had already killed dozens of highly trained Jedi knights and in the original trilogy Luke was not a match to Darth Vader until the very end. Rey defeating Kylo means nothing as Kylo has never been able to beat her in the first place
 
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I'd like to spread a rumour that Butts is a Randi-esque experiment to see if it is possible to present as so inane that even NuWars fans will say "Dude, it's not that good..."

But since my world view is dark and jaundiced, I suspect he is absolutely sincere.

If I am proven wrong, then I will rejoice.
 
Having Kylo as pathetic isn't a bad idea, but the series did need villains we could respect alongside him so we could fear for the lives of our heroes.

Kylo and Snoke besides being poor ripoffs off Vader and the emperor were overall were poor villains with Snoke even dying like an amateur in the second movie, not even surviving enough for a trilogy.

That's true, but I believe the blame for that rests solely on the shoulders of Roundhead and the upper echelons of Lucasfilm. For all that it's cool to bash TFA and JJ these days, he left whoever was making EVIII with plenty of toys to play with, as long as they weren't a complete sped. Kylo and Hux had the potential to the Tarkin/Vader relationship that was hinted at in ANH, "stormtroopers are people" has the potential to take the bad guys' faceless mooks in new directions, etc. There were a ton of directions they could have gone with Snoke to make him impressive, imposing, and a real threat for the final chapter, but instead...
 
He has no presence. He has no intimidation. He's meek and bent, he's weak and frail. He is relegated to the corner and has very slouched, unsure body language. Compare his stance to Vader's. Vader stands up straight, Vader has an open, powerful stance.

Everything about Kylo, from his imitative design to his shrunken body to his meek, defensive stance screams weakness, where the original, towering, proud Vader was a palpable, instinctual threat.
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Somebody mentioned ~20pages back that the quick trailer shot of Rey's fight on the death star debris looks terrible. It's been three films and it still doesn't look like Daisey Ridley has any idea on how to swing a sword, at least Alec Guinness had the excuses of being old, fighting a guy in a rubber costume and not knowing exactly what was going on. I mostly consider the prequel fights to be too flashy and badly choreographed and I'd take it a thousand times over what it looks like in the ST.
Doomcock pointed it out in one of his current videos, she's obviously not swinging for Kylo's body, she's swinging for his lightsabre.
For all that broohaha during the filming of TLJ about her being such an amazing fighter that so quickly became capable with a sword, she really fucking sucks at fencing.
She can wave around a stick, but whatever the fuck it is she's doing doesn't look like she knows what the hell she's supposed to do.

It really blows my mind, it's a Star Wars trilogy and we have only seen like maybe 1 good lightsabre duel and... dunno... 1 halfway decent space battle... if even that.
We don't need them at a 5 minute interval, but ffs, TLJ has not a single Lightsabre duel and only one space battle (which sucked).

I'm only curious in the sense I want to see how the Rat would fuck up and demolish a series that already had some impressive piles of shit get made.

It's telling that they're actively holding IPs and past films hostage for their shitty streaming service; really making me just want to have Disney get dismantled and rendered bankrupt and then made dead and forgotten as a company rather than just have the upper management get purged like what I'd have said a week ago.
With streaming services splintering into smaller and smaller islands of licenses, this is all the more reason to go back to the old fashioned habit of just buying the DVDs you actually want to watch and not pay out the ass for 50 streaming services that all just carry fragmented libraries.

Seriously, as long as I physically own a copy of a movie, I don't have to deal with some asshole like Disney buying the rights to a movie I used to watch on Netflix and then having that movie get whisked away to another streaming platform once the license is bought by someone else.

Given how this process makes it all the more expensive to retain access to ever shrinking libraries, just going "Fuck this shit, I don't need a subscription to Netflix and get a free copy of Bird Box, when I can buy the DVDs of the movies I wanna see just like that."

I honestly think they should have hidden Kylo's face even when he removed his helmet, or hell, the only time he removes his helmet is when he is interrogating Rey and we dont see his face, only the back of it while we only see Rey's reaction to it while he talks. That would create a mystery over what he looks like. Imagine instead of getting a scar across the face, he had his helmet on, which caused a piece to fall off, revealing just a small fraction of it?
That last part is what they did with Phasma and the fact I have to remind you of that shows how effective that worked, I guess.

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In order for this to really, truly work, the magnitude of his misdeed should have been far greater. He should have been more than an edgy tryhard Vader, he should have been a monster. Then and only then would everything make sense upon the reveal, as the true horror wasn't that he was malformed or an alien or a robot, the true stab to the gut could have been that he was an ordinary man.
Sorry to say this, but both these ideas would just be a retread of Vader.

Kylo, by comparison, shows up at the beginning of TFA and apes Vader's appearances throughout, but he has none of the intimidation. He's shorter, scrawnier, meeker. He doesn't have a recognizable theme, nor the calm intimidating aura Vader had. He's emotional and hysterical. He slams things with his saber and doesn't get any really impressive feats. He gets his ass kicked in the first movie and his face is revealed quickly, killing the suspense. He just seems to have been based on Vader himself, with no real other sources to draw from. He's shallow in design and shallow in motivation. He loses any stage presence when standing near anyone else. Every time he's on set with someone else, the audience is drawn to look at someone else, since his design is bland, his character is bland, and his power is unimpressive compared to the others.
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The thing is, that’s literally what he was INTENDED to be portrayed as: this bratty child who wants more than anything to be like Vader, who’s so deeply brainwashed with Dark Side ideology that he’s willing to murder his own father. He’s not supposed to be imposing, he’s supposed to be pathetic. He’s the antithesis of the big bad, literally nothing more than Snoke’s puppet.
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Kylo killing Han should have been the turning point for the character - where he realizes that he’s gone past the point of no return, and regrets everything, turning on the dark side yet knowing that he will never be accepted by the protagonists. Perhaps he would spend the second movie trying to aid Rey and co. only to be rebuffed, and then barges into the climax of the last film for a heroic sacrifice.
I think making Kylo Ren a Vadr fanboy was almost a smart idea, but the way they handled it was bad.
Obviously, the better choice would have been to not have a poor man's Vader in the first place, but having discount Vader might have worked, still, even if they quickly show his face.

They could have made Kylo a character that makes the audience feel absolutely uneasy whenever he's on screen if they had made him unhinged and unpredictable in a way where you simply fear that he's about to do something really terrible at any moment. The moment he's captured a protagonist and just as much as talks with them, you should be on the edge of your seat, fearing that he's about to do something really fucked up.
Think Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth, he's always calm and collected, but the way how he hurts and kills people with utter disregard is absolutely terrifying.

Problem is: how could that fit into an SW movie? Disney would never allow it. Still, even the "Darth Columbine"-approach could have worked if TLJ hadn't shit the bed and gave us Tweedle-Dip and Tweedle-Shit instead of expanding on Hux' and Kylo's rivalry. They could have given us way more nuanced and interesting villains, that actually know what they do and are lethally effective at it.

It's a Disney movie meant for soyboy-mouthbreathers and porg fanatics, so we don't get nuanced and interesting, we get Captain Planet-tier villains, that fail to intimidate anyone, since they are always treated as a joke. Seriously, is there just _one_ scene of Hux not being treated as a clown?
 
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Rumor is that Disney is trying to crack down on cast member GE leaks and that the Rise of the Resistance ride was further delayed due to the cars not being ADA compliant. Now they are retro fitting swing doors onto all 38 cars so the handicap can get on.
 
New SWTOR expansion honestly has me more excited than the upcoming disney movie
When a fucking TORtanic expansion does a better job of creating more positive and un-divisive hype than a Star Wars movie trailer, you know you're doing something wrong Disney.

In other news, aside from cracking down on IX spoilers, Disney's also cracking down on leaks relating to the upcoming Kylo Ren ride at Galaxy's Edge which is meant to be their star attraction.
For those of you who actually cared enough about that shit to remember it, I leaked the entirety of the Kylo Ren ride along with complete maps of its first and second floor with a few images somewhere after page 500.

Here is the complete info on the ride:

Suffice it to say the layout of the ride is still the same as well as some features, but as some of you may or may not recall, the hurricanes and storms back in September caused the Florida ride a lot of damage...

Computers, sets and whatnot got fucked and teams were laid off for incompetence etc. All of this combined with the rushed release date hasn't done it any good. This caused a lot of cutbacks to keep the budget from inflating even more as the ride is already looking to become the most expensive theme park attraction in the world (a title previously held by the Radiator Springs ride in Cars land). Among the cutbacks is supposedly the removal of the laser effects which no matter how many times were tested continue to flop. So its going to be two AT-ATs just staring at you or finding a different sort of physical projectile to shoot at you. The Tower of Terror-style elevator portion of the ride which takes place in an escape pod is also being altered due to continued safety issues caused by the trackless nature of the ride. Some of the more complex scenes and animatronics may be revamped due to some sort of loss of data and malfunctions, although I don't really understand what that's about. The trolleys are also still going through issues due that it wasn't even designed with handicap passengers in mind and also because of its crappy trackless nature which has led to several fails. Its all a mess really. A lot of info was getting around before but now Disney is really becoming stricter with its employees to keep their mouth shut about the failures, as well as raising security after several tourists kept breaking into the unfinished ride to take pictures and videos, the majority of which have been DMCA'd by Disney...

With the exception of this one which I shared in this thread before it got DMCA'd and was luckily saved by @XYZpdq in a webm format:

















Still, I'm kinda surprised by the fact that I essentially posted the entirety of the ride's features and layout back in june yet many are still perplexed or in the dark as to what the ride is gonna be like and that said leak has hardly gotten around unlike the IX leaks.
 
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Rumor is that Disney is trying to crack down on cast member GE leaks and that the Rise of the Resistance ride was further delayed due to the cars not being ADA compliant. Now they are retro fitting swing doors onto all 38 cars so the handicap can get on.
Wait they just fucking thought to check if it was compliant with regulations that are like a quarter century old?
 
Wait they just fucking thought to check if it was compliant with regulations that are like a quarter century old?
Well, you have to keep in mind, they also threw 40 years of market research in the trash when they decided to scrap the EU and replace it with fart-jokes and Chuck Wendig.
 
Wait they just fucking thought to check if it was compliant with regulations that are like a quarter century old?
Galaxy's Edge is the exceptional gift that keeps on giving. Its like they put no thought into what visitors might want and was designed by people with zero experience and personal interest. Just a bunch of execs who thought "how can we milk people for max profits? Oh I know! Build a shopping mall with sand and weird shit and also throw in a ride or two" while rushing the hell out of the project and not putting any thought into it beyond making it suitable for their own needs. Like how do you even make such a glaring oversight and forget to make it ADA compliant? Its like idiocracy is starting to take full effect over at Disney.
 
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