2019-10-16 - Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

[AmpleApricots]

If you are of any interest to anyone, you're not safe in any EU country. It might be easier to hide in the eastern ones if you have money because they're corrupt as fuck but yeh. Russia protected Snowden because he was really high profile and is still good for sticking it to the yankees and that was his only value to Russia, also he went so far into the public conscience at the right point in time that him suddenly "committing suicide" would've accomplished nothing and would've mde the whole thing look even worse than it is. Null isn't important enough in any way, shape, or form. He is of no value for anyone on that level. Sorry but it's true.

You have to understand that what you call freedom of speech is a carefully balanced measure they let you have because they don't think it's dangerous for them and makes you easier to handle. If you are in the way of state interests, every single western country including the US will come down hard on you like the worst middle-eastern despot and they might even cooperate with each other in doing so. You don't really live in a free country, (I'd actually argue there's no such thing with a functioning government) you just get more freedom from those in power because they're fine with it and it doesn't conflict with their interests. For you individually, that can change at a moments notice and nothing will protect you from that. Picking a fight with those people isn't smart.

 

[AnOminous]

Places Geoffrey S. Berman has extradited people from:

Germany (Behzad Pourghannad, nuclear material for Iran)
Kosovo (Ymer Shahini, securities fraud)
Georgia (Andrei Tyurin, massive bank hacking)
Ireland (Gary Davis, Silk Road admin)
Switzerland (Marcos Elias, wire fraud)
Estonia (Haji Abdul Sattar Barakzai, narco-terrorism)

He's also currently apparently attempting to extradite the brother of the President of Honduras.

None of this is low-tier shit so I seriously doubt he's just fucking with a shitposter for no reason.

The AUSA on this appears to be Elizabeth Hanft, no slouch herself and possibly the person doing the actual work on this and appears to be connected to the Terrorism and International Narcotics Unit.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Places Geoffrey S. Berman has extradited people from:

Germany (Behzad Pourghannad, nuclear material for Iran)
Kosovo (Ymer Shahini, securities fraud)
Georgia (Andrei Tyurin, massive bank hacking)
Ireland (Gary Davis, Silk Road admin)
Switzerland (Marcos Elias, wire fraud)
Estonia (Haji Abdul Sattar Barakzai, narco-terrorism)

He's also currently apparently attempting to extradite the brother of the President of Honduras.

None of this is low-tier shit so I seriously doubt he's just fucking with a shitposter for no reason.

The AUSA on this appears to be Elizabeth Hanft, no slouch herself and possibly the person doing the actual work on this and appears to be connected to the Terrorism and International Narcotics Unit.

With that in mind, what the fuck is the angle here?

 

[AnOminous]

With that in mind, what the fuck is the angle here?

No clue.

 

[NerdShamer]

Gotta love the "you not required to follow" this part.

 

[Fish-Eyed Fool]

"If you intend to disclose the existence of this Grand Jury Subpoena request to a third party, please let me know before making any such disclosure."

Hi Geoff.

 

[repentance]

With that in mind, what the fuck is the angle here?

It's some sort of terrorism investigation based on the FBI unit mentioned. It's probably an ongoing investigation into terrorism and the internet, but it remains concerning just how quickly the German shooting was added to it.

The prosecutor obviously knows we exist and site content is being monitored closely enough that it can be added to the investigation within days.

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

Null not only are you going to have to be very nice online but they want you to bake them some cookies as well. I have a few recipes if you need them

Dindu choc'o walnut, or Kangz n' white chips?

 

[Chan the Wizard]

I’m confused. Why do they want the info of someone who posted some other dude’s manifesto? How is that a crime? What are they actually investigating?

 

[ZunxultaTrthaly]

Land of the free.

 

[Dracula]

For what reason, the government would require so much private user data?

 

[mindlessobserver]

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It's some sort of terrorism investigation based on the FBI unit mentioned. It's probably an ongoing investigation into terrorism and the internet, but it remains concerning just how quickly the German shooting was added to it.

The prosecutor obviously knows we exist and site content is being monitored closely enough that it can be added to the investigation within days.

They probably have it in their heads that spree shooters and right wing whackadoos do their secret plotting and propagandizing on the farms. I blame the breathless tabloid rags in New Zealand for this one, because they said precisely that. It was of course a willfull misrepresentation of what we actually do, which is to archive documents and video media and talk about them. After the fact it should be noted.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I didn't read every single post in this thread so I don't know if this was already pointed out but the request for documents/information is just standard ISP boilerplate. KF isn't an ISP so Josh wouldn't have most of this information anyway.

I hope there is an attorney involved because the best thing would be for an attorney to just call and say "We'd love to cooperate but tell us what's going on so we can comply". I doubt KF is the subject of these proceedings but someone on here probably is.

It's been stated before but requests from a US Attorney for information in a Grand Jury and ancillary proceedings aren't something to ignore. This is one of the situations where it's absolutely necessary to have an attorney experienced with the law and familiar with the SDNY because it looks like it could be dealt with easily and quickly (if it's what we think it is, and it may not be).

I’m confused. Why do they want the info of someone who posted some other dude’s manifesto? How is that a crime? What are they actually investigating?

We don't know why or what they're looking for. For all we know the poster could have done something else that's very illegal and/or criminal and they're looking into everything he/she had posted.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Null should refuse to comply with the subpoena and be a champion of free speech like Chelsea Manning.

 

[Mason Verger]

They probably have it in their heads that spree shooters and right wing whackadoos do their secret plotting and propagandizing on the farms. I blame the breathless tabloid rags in New Zealand for this one, because they said precisely that. It was of course a willfull misrepresentation of what we actually do, which is to archive documents and video media and talk about them. After the fact it should be noted.

Which is bullshit since we’ve only had like 3 or 4 members go on to be spree shooters.

 

[Vecr]

Null should refuse to comply with the subpoena and be a champion of free speech like Chelsea Manning.

Nah, if he had tried to fight it, he would have got a stronger court order, that he already states he will follow.

I would assume it would not be worth the legal fees.

 

[repentance]

We don't know why or what they're looking for. For all we know the poster could have done something else that's very illegal and/or criminal and they're looking into everything he/she had posted.

Perhaps most importantly, they're not obliged to disclose that information. It's reasonable to assume that they didn't suddenly decide to investigate some German guy, though, and to deduce that their interest in him is part of a broader investigation.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I want the SDNY to know I am just a weird cat lady that plays vidya games when not feeding my precious kitties or shitposting on /vg/ or Kiwi Farms. Pls no bully.
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Perhaps most importantly, they're not obliged to disclose that information.

What the letters show are a polite request for information the US Attorney can lawfully subpoena. If you refuse then they go to an overworked judge to get a court order forcing you to appear under threat of fines and/or jail time. It pisses off everyone involved. I don't think it's a good idea to anger people that can throw you in jail. It's all nice and good to stand on principle but when you're in the same jail Epstein was in come back and tell me how good that feels (after you've given them what they asked for and they decide to let you out).

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

make sure to go post in those threads so you can make it in the documents!!!

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

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It's some sort of terrorism investigation based on the FBI unit mentioned. It's probably an ongoing investigation into terrorism and the internet, but it remains concerning just how quickly the German shooting was added to it.

The prosecutor obviously knows we exist and site content is being monitored closely enough that it can be added to the investigation within days.

It's worth mentioning that just because the site is obviously being monitored by someone doesn't mean that it's the feds, and certainly not full-time. There's a small army of speds reporting any vaguely crime-related shit on KF to anybody they can think of--random ISPs, anti-cyberbullying groups, the Boy Scouts, troon reporters, the FBI, Santa Claus, daddy Vordrak, etc--and sooner or later any mass shooting related content is going to be reported to someone who can and will investigate.