Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Yup. Same movie and same guy.

Huh. Didn't expect that

anyways Ive thought of an even worse idea than Brie playing Ashoka: What if she plays Mara Jade. I'd sooner se Mara fall become a victim of the Gingercide than that.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

There is No Evidence Disney is Buying Tickets to Rise of Skywalker

I would love for evidence to come out...but so far we got nothing #starwars #episodeix #riseofskywalker Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/odinsmovieblog ...

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With all the hubbub over the ticket sales being faked/exaggerated, this guy puts out a video to take on the contrarian position and actually DARES people to dislike the video in the comments with a smug condescending attitude.

Personally I don't know what to believe anyone. I don't believe they are being "faked", but the reports of the sales on ticket sites are exaggerated to build up false hype considering how poorly Solo did.

 

[The handsome tard]

There is No Evidence Disney is Buying Tickets to Rise of Skywalker

I would love for evidence to come out...but so far we got nothing #starwars #episodeix #riseofskywalker Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/odinsmovieblog ...

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With all the hubbub over the ticket sales being faked/exaggerated, this guy puts out a video to take on the contrarian position and actually DARES people to dislike the video in the comments with a smug condescending attitude.

Personally I don't know what to believe anyone. I don't believe they are being "faked", but the reports of the sales on ticket sites are exaggerated to build up false hype considering how poorly Solo did.

So who is telling him that Disney wont pay him that much for that? Just a few cents but I guess he thinks he can soften them up into getting more in the future. He is just ignoring whats in everyone's front.

Loser.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Reminder, the idiots that claim that ROTS are the same idiots who claimed Solo would be a smash hit.

 

[BScCollateral]

I'm pretty much agnostic on the subject of Disney "faking" ticket sales. It seems like an insane measure to take, but as less and less of a film's revenue stream relies on ticket sales it becomes more plausible.

That said, there's so many possible ways to chop up the data you can probably spin anything as "record breaking." "Most pre-order sales on an odd-numbered Tuesday to people who play Badminton!"

 

[XYZpdq]

strange how all these other companies don't need "fans" to make videos about how they're clearly not gaming the ticket numbers

 

[Ghostse]

JJ's work on Star Trek: Into Darkness was ridiculous too.

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CG company: "So you want the bad guy to have a ship?"
JJ: "A big ship."
CG company: "The Enterprise is already quite big, sir. Also a ship that huge only for 20 people that's weird"
JJ: "BIGGER and black. Completely black, because the ship was build for secret ops"
CG company: "T-that's not how it works. It's going to be hard to see it in every sho-"
JJ: "BIGGER and BLACK"

JJ definitely seems like the sort of guy who has screamed "I want it bigger and black" quite often in his life.

I used to give him the benefit of the doubt since it seems like all of his sequels were done by morons; he can set something up, but it seems like no one can really get his shit to land. But then I realized the bastard actually did follow through once; It was when he bootlegged Wrath of Khan but way worse. So I've seen him follow through; and it sucked.

That and the fact that he gropes after the toy rights and sticks his own men into teams to manage the IPs he fucked up and left for (all of whom suck at their jobs) makes me hate him now.

JarJar worked with and intentionally picked his shitty script writers. Kurtzman and Orsi are long-time work buddies that he has used for years (since Mission Impossible 3), and the former is technically a part of his company under his own gay little company (Secret Hideout).

So no, JarJar Abrams is doubly to blame for Into Darkness. He intentionally picked his shit writers, directed that turd, and then (at least I think so) threw his writers to the wolves to rationalize why he made a pile of shit given how rarely people acknowledge that he directed Into Darkness.

See, the idea of an Admiral false flagging a new Klingon War and that ship being designed on purpose for war (hilarious given that even normal exploration vessels match warlike race cruisers at minimum) was neat. The film kind of had me when that was the plot.

Then JarJar wanted to redo Khan because he's an uncreative hack who refuses responsibilities for his failures to write.

I give Jarjar's Star Trek a slight break in that some of the dumber moves were mandated by the upper brass due to the terms of the licensing split between Paramount and NBC during the split up of Viacom. PAramount kept the Star Trek film rights, but had to make their offerigns "Different in appearance and theme" from anything NBC was doing with the TV series.
That's the reason for the stupid Time shit.

Honestly I don't blame Ian for taking 35 million for at best like a week of shooting (and it only being a week because they're STILL reshooting).

I will blame the movie though because he's going to be basically Cameron Mitchell, IE sitting in that chair and being in the movie for like 2-5 minutes and then given bigger billing than he really deserves to fail to get oldfags into the seats.

That would've been great. Hell, since it's an alternate timeline have it so that his insanity from his accident at Antos IV was more understated and this is his plot to effectively make himself an Emperor using a Klingon war.

I only cast shade two people in front of the camera for taking the checks:
Kelly Tran, for letting them turn her into some REEEEEEsistance token woke figure head.
Daisy Ridley for not knowing how to act.
I guess possibly a bit of Carrie Fisher for letting them turn her into space jesus as she probably had enough clout to be able to tell them to fuck off with that shit, but cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Basically anyone going to bat to Didney Waz beyond the required level during the press circuit.
Anyone else, I don't care about them shucking and jiving for a check. Its a job. And good for Ian for really putting their balls in the juicero.


I think what would have been great for Garth as a villian/ Star Trek: The undiscovered money would be to have him leading a research mission, where they are doing experiments on the time travel worm hole and the left over tachyon radiation. They can't travel, but they think they have a good handle on a probability viewer to the original universe; but using it makes you go temporarily insane. Garth is so brilliant he's able to hide it/function through the post-oracle deebaderbs, but he sees the coming war with the Klingons, the billions that die as whole worlds are massacred and enslaved before the ceasefire, and believes firstly that the Federations egalitarian government will leave them unprepared for war so they need an authoritarian government, and secondly that he's the only one tactically brilliant enough to pull off victory by being the leader.
Garth plans to win the war by exploding Praxis; this planned explosion won't just damage the atmosphere, it will destory Qo'nos, decapitating the Klingons, making their response bloody and violent, but uncoordinated, doomed to fall apart as Garth leads the Federation navy, and uses the war to advocate for a more authoritarian and war-like direction for the federation.
(if you wanted to go for maximum memberberries, have him toss around the "terran empire" as possible name for his new government)

You could then have this time-warp McGuffin do fun things, like stop-time effects in battles and the like; Maybe Garth blows up Praxis, but Scotty is able to use the shockwave to power the mcguffin to reverse time (something that was theorized but "not even the warp cores of a dozen star ships could provide enough power"). Maybe Garth comes out of it at the end, realizing he was wrong.

The Klingons capture Kirk and Crew, and they are questioned "You fought your own ships, preventing an assured victory, why?" "Because the Federation is against the murder of entire planets, whether they are inhabited by our enemies or not. Killing whole worlds in their sleep is not honorable"

The Klingons sentence the whole crew to several cycles in prison and the seizure of the enterprise by the Klingon government. Kirk objects, saying the crew were following his orders, he alone bears responsibility, appealing to Klingon honor; the Klingon Council agrees, ordering the crew returned to the Federation, and sentencing Kirk to life.... dilithium mining on Praxis.
Then Gorkon (who had watched the battle and was outside of the time bubble as Praxis was un-exploded), acting as chancellor suspends the sentence, and the Enterprise returned to the Federation with her crew; It is not honorable to imprison a warrior on the moon he saved, and returning him and his ship home is "in the interests of peace".

Gorkon reveals he had Klingon scientists run simulations on Praxis, and incident shows that Praxis is and always was a ticking timebomb, and an accident with results comperble to the one Garth triggered was only a matter of time - he has realized they will need the help of Federation to prevent the destruction of his world by climate change Praxis exploding and to find a new energy source for their world.
Gorkon intends to send a delegation to establish formal relations with the Federation. Gorkon addresses the crew as they depart"
"We accessed your ship's Datastores, I was impressed by Federation culture. I'd be very interested in a Klingon translation of the works of the author "Shake...Spear"." which Uhura will "see what she can do".

There. Lots of lens flare action, Star Trek themes, and tons of wink and nod memberberries. And no trying to outdo perfection by rebooting Kahn.
#butwhatifstartrekwasgood

No. The reason that the Vietnam War played out the way it did is because the press had essentially become the 5th column in America; if not Vietnam, they would have found something else to rip the country apart from within with- it's not like they weren't spoiled for choice in the 60s and 70s.

The Vietnam War played out like it did was more than just the media, though they didn't help. The root of the problem lies with the French - the French surrender and eventual French Colonial authorities collaborating with the Japanese weaked their legitimacy in what had been a colony where the general population as a whole was quite content with their white overlords - the peasantry had been oppressed and viewed as subhuman by the Chinese puppet rulers, the French gave them at least some rights, the situation was better.
As the french collaborated with the Japanese, the attrocities of the Japanese were seen as being approved by the French, turning sentiment against them, somewhat ironically the Japanese treatment of the Vietnamese would have likely been worse if the French administrators had not worked to keep the Japanese from going full Nanking on the country. This lead to the independence movement gaining traction.
The French also didn't very vigoriously try to bring the colony back under control; had they put a more experienced general in charge with more of their better troops, their revolution would have floundered as the French colonial government had already started to sap support by giving into several key demands of the pro-independence side.
(there's some other political fuckery in the lead up that I am forgetting)

Post independence Vietnam knew they needed someone to protect them from China. The problem was the government had been coopted by Communists. Ho Chi Minh was not a communist, or even really a socialist, he was pure-strain nationalist patriot. initially the vietnamese wanted the US to protect them from China, but they were too Socialist, and France still too butthurt, to make that viable. There were still negotiations going on, but the Russians stepped in and stole the show.

Vietnam was winnable, depending on how you want to define victory. The US had no intention of a repeat of Korea and a Chinese zerg rush. They doubly didn't want that at the time, as with the Death of Stalin, Sino-Russian relations were at their lowest point - Russia And China only got along through the 50s because Mao had a huge fanboy crush on Stalin, and once Stalin was dead, viewed all his successors as limp wristed pussies - and the US didn't want to give them an excuse to start to work together again.

Further hampering operations was the inability to hit Soviet war supply to north vietnam. IF the US had been able to destroy Hanoi's docks, the war would have been over in a couple years. But the soviets were successfully playing diplomatic fuck-fuck games, and bombing Hanoi's docks, or fucking with Soviet shipping, would have opened the US to the Soviets doing similar with the South.
There was also a lack of understanding at the time about precisely how degraded Sino-Russian relations were. It was assumed that if you took out the docks, the material would have just come in overland through China. We know now that Mao would have told them to go fuck themselves.

Post-Tet, the NVA was in a shit-sorry state. They lost all their gains within a year, and expended a lot of men and material that their soviet sempais were starting to become relucant to replace. The war was a bigger drain on the Soviet economy than on the US. Additionally the Viet Cong were also losing steam in the south, and Laos was getting sick of the cross-border incursions - US training of the Laos army was starting to produce results in that crossing the border was no longer the safe endeavor it had previously been.

The 1972 NVA counter attack was a deperate push to get the US to the peacetable. The US could have refused and pushed the NVA's shit all the way in.

Vietnam was very winnable.
But the question to be asked is not if COULD but if it SHOULD.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I'm pretty much agnostic on the subject of Disney "faking" ticket sales. It seems like an insane measure to take, but as less and less of a film's revenue stream relies on ticket sales it becomes more plausible.

It's not an insane measure to take once you remember that Disney is a huge conglomerate that needs to be able to regularly produce news that their investors want to hear, especially about a valuable but curiously under-performing acquisition like Star Wars. It would be the local equivalent of buying enough of your own book to get it on the bestseller list.

 

[Ghostse]

It's not an insane measure to take once you remember that Disney is a huge conglomerate that needs to be able to regularly produce news that their investors want to hear, especially about a valuable but curiously under-performing acquisition like Star Wars. It would be the local equivalent of buying enough of your own book to get it on the bestseller list.

Its less risky, and potentially less costly, than that.
There is no tracking of what happens to presales, especially since Disney has a big stake in the company doing the sales. Any unused/unclaimed tickets might just go back into accounts as refunds.

Its like buying enough books to get on the best seller list, and then taking them back to the store.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So is anyone actually looking forward to season 7 of The Clone Wars? I think the Siege of Mandalore and all the shit with the Bad Batch will end up being pretty cool.

Pretty much feel the same as GeneralFriendliness. A lot of what I've learned from the Captain Fordo channel and other sources really turned me off on Dave Filoni; I don't respect someone who values their own creative freedom over the work of others, which formed the basis they're building off of. It's the same attitude as somebody like Rian Johnson. I find the history of Mandalore and the content of The Clone Wars Multimedia Project far more interesting than the watered down, basic bitch DisneyXD history we got in Clone Wars. I liked the part with Duchess Sateen and Obi-Wan, sure, but not much else. I also don't care for Ahsoka, and especially not Ashley Eckstein. She's a career feminist type. She made a whole Star Wars is for Girls clothing line. More power to her, but this is not the brand ambassador I would choose.

Slightly off topic but sometimes I wonder how radically different the world would be if the Vietnam War had never happened, if it informed even Star Wars of all things.

As far as Star Wars is concerned, I'm sure it would've changed something about the 1977 original had it never happened. However much of Star Wars came from George's own childhood, as well as from classic Kurosawa films in his university days. Another part of Star Wars also came from several failed attempts at making a war movie, which eventually ended up coming out as Apocalypse Now. So I wanna say that the heart of Star Wars wasn't influenced that much by the Vietnam War.

I'm pretty much agnostic on the subject of Disney "faking" ticket sales. It seems like an insane measure to take, but as less and less of a film's revenue stream relies on ticket sales it becomes more plausible.

That said, there's so many possible ways to chop up the data you can probably spin anything as "record breaking." "Most pre-order sales on an odd-numbered Tuesday to people who play Badminton!"

It's not an insane measure to take once you remember that Disney is a huge conglomerate that needs to be able to regularly produce news that their investors want to hear, especially about a valuable but curiously under-performing acquisition like Star Wars. It would be the local equivalent of buying enough of your own book to get it on the bestseller list.

Its less risky, and potentially less costly, than that.
There is no tracking of what happens to presales, especially since Disney has a big stake in the company doing the sales. Any unused/unclaimed tickets might just go back into accounts as refunds.

Its like buying enough books to get on the best seller list, and then taking them back to the store.

Or like a record company buying their own new single to get it to the top of the charts, which is allegedly an old trick of the industry. Even in the film industry, Paramount & Fox were called out for inflating ticket sales in 2014 and 2002:

Ms. Marvel Shows Us The Future Of Episode IX

SC Reviews points out that Rotten Tomatoes openly admits to changing the rules to help out poor little Captain Marvel. Here’s the particularly “problematic” text from The New York…

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So I think it's highly likely this is the case. Reminder that this is the same Disney that ex-accountant whistleblower Sandra Kuba called out for overreporting their revenue by $6 billion dollars as early as 2009 or something.

 

[Ghostse]

Or like a record company buying their own new single to get it to the top of the charts, which is allegedly an old trick of the industry. Even in the film industry, Paramount & Fox were called out for inflating ticket sales in 2014 and 2002:

Ms. Marvel Shows Us The Future Of Episode IX

SC Reviews points out that Rotten Tomatoes openly admits to changing the rules to help out poor little Captain Marvel. Here’s the particularly “problematic” text from The New York…

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So I think it's highly likely this is the case. Reminder that this is the same Disney that ex-accountant whistleblower Sandra Kuba called out for overreporting their revenue by $6 billion dollars as early as 2009 or something.

I knew people who worked for Big Machine, Taylor Swift's label. They and other coworkers were assigned a couple of stores, and were instructed to buy all copies of Taylor's debt album and expense them to another company.

 

[Commander X]

"Shocking" new leaked pics from what's supposedly the final cut of 'Rise'.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So it looks like Lupita Nyong-osheeEEEIIT thinks The Rise of Skywalker is "interesting":

Lupita Nyong’o Describes Episode IX As “Interesting”

Alyse Kalish writes at The Muse: I find myself using “interesting” all the time. That was an interesting movie. I’m interested to hear what you think. I think it’s interesting that… I use it when I…

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I'll bet she's very interested in why her character hasn't appeared in any of the TRoS trailers yet.

 

[Marco Fucko]

If this video is correct the movie will be even more exceptional than I thought.

>Kylo redeems himself as Ben, kills the Knights of Ren then is killed by Palpatine
>Rey scores a kill against a rejuvenated Palpatine after getting a power up from force ghosts
>Rey adopts the name Skywalker despite apparently being the biological grand child of Palpatine

I can't wait for December.

 

[I'm Mrs. Mustachios!]

Is there a single plot point in this movie that is better for Luke having been shat upon and dying?

 

[Jewthulhu]

So it looks like Lupita Nyong-osheeEEEIIT thinks The Rise of Skywalker is "interesting"

"Interesting" is usually a polite way of saying "bad."

If this video is correct the movie will be even more exceptional than I thought.

>Kylo redeems himself as Ben, kills the Knights of Ren then is killed by Palpatine
>Rey scores a kill against a rejuvenated Palpatine after getting a power up from force ghosts
>Rey adopts the name Skywalker despite apparently being the biological grand child of Palpatine

I can't wait for December.

I saw a plot leak a few months ago that is pretty similar to this. If it's accurate, the rest of the plot is going to be just as exceptional.

 

[Dom Cruise]

"Shocking" new leaked pics from what's supposedly the final cut of 'Rise'.

Nobody can stop the Shockmaster!

 

[Creep3r]

Whether its only 'star wars mad max' depends on how much of the focus is going to be on the Mandalorian and his culture/people. Either they're going to go all in on it to snatch up the fandos or it'll just be background shit. As much as people hate on Travis (for good reason) there was some cool EU Mando shit that got thrown out by Disney too like Jaster, the True Mandalorians and the Galidraan Massacre and I'd like to see some of it brought back.

It apparently is Mad Max according to the showrunner...

"I'm trying to evoke the aesthetics of not just the original trilogy but the first film. Not just the first film but the first act of the first film. What was it like on Tatooine? What was going on in that cantina? That has fascinated me since I was a child, and I love the idea of the darker, freakier side of Star Wars, the Mad Max aspect of Star Wars.

So it is Mad Max... and there's a lot of nostalgia pandering and the main character references Mando codes and whatnot to attract the Fandos. For max nostalgia, the show so far is made up mostly of pre-Disney aliens, with one of the main characters and sidekicks being confirmed to be an Ugnaught, however at least 2 shitty Disney aliens have been confirmed based on leaked pics. I think its safe to say Favreu just wants this to be another OT nostalgiafest that copies a more popular property and knows little about actual mandos which is probably why he brought Filoni on board. I also agree with you on Travis. People hated her not because of her writing and dedication to lore, but because she never invested that creativity in anything but Mandos. Always Mandos, and she would make every other faction look like idiots just to glorify the Mandos in every which way. If she hadn't been so biased, gave every faction a chance and wasn't so quick to bark at fans over minor criticisms (although Rian, Chuck Wendig and most Disney creatives certainly have to put her to shame in terms of ego), she would've been more well received by everyone if not for these traits. But regardless she still managed to create a large and dedicated fan following for herself thanks to her creativity, as she was one of the few SW authors and content creators who went out of their way to give fans something they had been wanting for a long time: fully detailed culture, language and history of a species and faction, things no other group or species got in such detail within SW. Which is what resulted in Fandos, since, much like Klingon fanboys, they now had something to emulate and understand to a tee.

Now for some news. It seems the traffic for the final IX trailer has finally slowed down at around 22 million views and +400,000 likes, and only breaking the last trailer's view count by 2mil, which is still abysmal and almost Solo-tier, whose trailers only ranked up 18mil at most. However the dislike ratio is still increasing as regularly as before and its expected to reach 100k within the next 3 days or less while the likes may hit 500k in a week or so. In comparison to the Joker's final trailer, both had similar viewership during their first 5 days at around 20mil, however Joker's already had close to 700k likes by the end of its 5th day and only 18k dislikes, while IX is still struggling to reach 500k likes while having almost 100k dislikes. Make of that what you will.

Despite old aliens getting shafted for the films, IX is confirmed to have all the original R-series droids (OT and EU) and PT/OT droids for the film, but no a single old alien so far... I don't get it. Technology is supposed to progress and be replaced. Dozens of recurring species that were on par with humans don't suddenly just vanish while technology stays the same.

Found - Disney Parks Exclusive The Rise Of Skywalker Droid Factory Sets

Found - Disney Parks Exclusive The Rise Of Skywalker Droid Factory Sets

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Also here's something that's been mentioned in regards to Disney copying designs and stealing ideas, but now apparently the new TIE Dagger Dorito is taken from a pre-existing fan design and it looks exactly like it with the only difference being the red coloring.

DISNEY STEALING Ideas For The Rise Of Skywalker?

Is Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker going to contain another example of Disney possibly ripping off ideas from fans? Link to EC Henry's video https...

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I've been getting a lot of emails about whether my "TIE Vector" design inspired the new TIE variant in The Rise of Skywalker. While some elements seem to sup...

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There's also claims going around that Kylo Ren throws away his old lightsaber in the watery ruins of the Death Star II.

I just realized nu-Luke's "a thousand generations live in you now" line from the earlier trailer pretty much confirms that Rey becomes the fucking jedi avatar after eating their souls...

Chuck Wendig is still unbearable and smug as shit despite being a fired washout.

And if you ever needed more proof that The Force Awakens is a hollow piece of shit along with the rest of Disney shit, then look no further than its pricing on Youtube Movies. Not enough buyers at only 14 dollars so they had to resort to renting them out at 3 bux a pop.

How fucking embarrassing Mr. Abrams.

 

[Jub-Jub]

They also know they have to pull at their fan's heartstrings, so they go for that "Rey lives on that old farm and calls herself Skywalker" thing

The whole galaxy to choose where to live and she goes to live at a dilapidated moisture farm on a sand desert planet. Who likes
sand... it's course, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.

Maybe we'll see a mummified aunt Beru skeleton...

It apparently is Mad Max according to the showrunner

Speaking of MM, I thought the chase and gas barrel explosion in the movie trailer looked lifted from Fury Road.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

See, the idea of an Admiral false flagging a new Klingon War and that ship being designed on purpose for war (hilarious given that even normal exploration vessels match warlike race cruisers at minimum) was neat. The film kind of had me when that was the plot.

A rogue admiral falseflagging to make a new Klingon War could go in a million directions, but knowing JJ he'd make a shitty ripoff of Undiscovered Country

Despite new aliens getting shafted for the films, IX is confirmed to have all the original R-series droids and PT/OT droids for the film, but no a single old alien so far... I don't get it. Technology is supposed to progress and be replaced. Dozens of recurring species that were on par with humans don't suddenly just vanish while technology stays the same.

Maybe because the majority of the aliens (except the nu-Wars aliens for some reason) got killed by zombie ticks that it depopulated the galaxy and thus crashed the galactic economy and killed a bunch of droid technicians and other important people building droids so the galaxy is stuck using outdated tech because there's little ability to create/market new stuff.

I just realized nu-Luke's "a thousand generations live in you now" line from the earlier trailer pretty much confirms that Rey becomes the fucking jedi avatar after eating their souls...

So Rey is the Jedi Eater like in that one leak?