2019-10-16 - Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

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You're not following my logic, because, if you were, you'd consider the myriad documents and videos that have been posted to this site that have not received a federal subpoena. Why is this one different? None of the others suggested money changed hands to materially support a murder spree.

Because Zionists were targeted by the shooter whose manifesto happened to be reposted here, by someone uninvolved with the original action. They want to harass anyone who actually talks about the facts involved, even critically, as was the case here.

That's the difference. 'Money changing hands' has nothing to do with it.

If Tarrant had targeted a synagogue, or a Zionist proxy like the Saudi consulate, rather than a peaceful mosque, a similar probe would have been launched in re. that event. Even without him including a troll line about some board owner from 8chan. The equivalent to this ridiculous request in the case of Tarrant would be the FBI detaining Candace Owens for several days to question her about inspiring Tarrant.

 

[Thumb Butler]

You're a gutless cuck who rolls over at the first hint of trouble LARPing as some great champion of civil liberties.

I have to ask this because you don't seem quite like a real person:

Do you live in Welwyn Garden City, England?

 

[Twinkie]

The equivalent to this ridiculous request in the case of Tarrant would be the FBI detaining Candace Owens for several days to question her about inspiring Tarrant.

lel dramatic much? That's not equivalent at all. It's not even comparable. "Inspiring" is not the same as funding terrorism. and fwiw to my recollection Tarrant mentioned crypto but never named anyone who funded him.

 

[waffle]

I don't use a VPN, I'm self employed. The government can come fight me IRL if they have a problem with what I post on the fucking Kiwi Farms.

 

[Ellesse_warrior]

I don't use a VPN, I'm self employed. The government can come fight me IRL if they have a problem with what I post on the fucking Kiwi Farms.

I just hope they're enjoying all the videos I've been posting of Robert Paul champagne jacking off

 

[Blood Bath & Beyond]

I don't think the majority of us on KF really have anything to worry about, as they are probably on asking for info on fag0t and people linked to them. They wouldn't pore through thousands of shitposts from thousands of users who have noting to do with the situation and have no intel on it.

At the moment I doubt they are going through the entire website to find dirt on anyone beyond Fag0t, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they would and it wouldn't even be that difficult. Just set up a bot to scrape the forums looking for keywords and they'd get a nice tidy packet of posts to review by the end of the work day.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This isn't as bad as it seems. You can hire an attorney for specific things, such as calling the SDNY to ask what they want and if you should comply. The best way to do this is to look at the attorneys representing people in similar cases in NYC and call them. If you're lucky they might do it for free.

This isn't a complicated matter; they want information on a forum member. You'd like to know why before you give them someone's personal details. If it's related to terrorism or a ridiculous criminal act I'd be inclined to give it to them if they back up their request with credible evidence.

They aren't going to give that information to Null but they will to an attorney, especially one they're familiar with, because lawyers are bound by rules that can have them disbarred or jailed if they disclose things they shouldn't.

Everyone here is uncomfortable with the request for documents but at the same time we understand the position Null's in.

 

[repentance]

This isn't a complicated matter; they want information on a forum member. You'd like to know why before you give them someone's personal details. If it's related to terrorism or a ridiculous criminal act I'd be inclined to give it to them if they back up their request with credible evidence.

That's not how grand juries work. Hell, it's not even how normal criminal investigations work. Investigators aren't obliged to provide you with "credible evidence" to justify their request/demand for information - especially when you're merely a witness and not the subject of the investigation.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

That's not how grand juries work. Hell, it's not even how normal criminal investigations work. Investigators aren't obliged to provide you with "credible evidence" to justify their request/demand for information - especially when you're merely a witness and not the subject of the investigation.

In the real world, lawyers work these things out all the time. I've personally made arrangements with prosecutors regarding subpoenas for documents dozens of times (usually by calling and saying "I work for Attorney X and I have your subpoena duces tecum, please tell me what you want and why"). I'm not going into detail but the IRL legal profession isn't at all like what you see in movies or TV.

 

[Mason Verger]

In the real world, lawyers work these things out all the time. I've personally made arrangements with prosecutors regarding subpoenas for documents dozens of times (usually by calling and saying "I work for Attorney X and I have your subpoena duces tecum, please tell me what you want and why"). I'm not going into detail but the IRL legal profession isn't at all like what you see in movies or TV.

Yup, I learned that shit from “My Cousin Vinny”(which is actually supposed to be a pretty sound legalese movie). Prosecutors can’t just yell “surprise mothafucka!”. Null should lawyer up just so he can at the very least have somebody ask these pertinent questions on his behalf. Going in well informed is better than swinging at shadows.

 

[Hackallier]

Ahem.

All the posts I have made on this site have been satire.

I love the nation of Israel, condemn the unrecognized "state" of Palestine and recognize Israel as the rightful owner of the Golan Heights.

 

[Billy_Sama]

I just hope they're enjoying all the videos I've been posting of Robert Paul champagne jacking off

I hope the government has a laugh looking at all the weird pictures I post on the Cursed image forum myself.

 

[repentance]

@Null, do you want us to avoid posting manifestos and graphic footage related to mass shootings/terror attacks until we see how this shakes out?

 

[Trig.Point]

For what it's worth, dude, if you ran a fundraiser for legal fees, I'd donate to it.

How is he going to run a fundraiser? Any funding platform he uses is going to get targeted by the usual suspects.

I don't think Crypto is going to be around long term, but at the minute it seems to be the only option to help fund this site. Because that's what's needed here, not more advice or amateur legal opinions MONEY!.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

Null has a newproject2 and can accept bitcoin, there is a barrier to entry but if you want to help the site, those are the way to do it. He gets banned from every other funding platform.

Tiers

madattheinternet.com

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/supporting-the-forum.27022/

 

[General Disarray]

Null has a newproject2 and can accept bitcoin, there is a barrier to entry but if you want to help the site, those are the way to do it. He gets banned from every other funding platform.

Tiers

madattheinternet.com

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/supporting-the-forum.27022/

Can't you tip MATI with BAT? I have about $10 in my account. Just want to be sure it goes through.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

KickassTorrents' Artem Vatulin was apprehended by Polish authorities in 2016, because glowinthedarkies decided that while PirateBay founders told them to stick it, some big shot torrent guy is still needed for a public flogging.

He's still in Poland, three years later, trying not to get extradited to get 7 to 10 with punitive damages, which he will then have to pay off through prison labor. Jews in media industry love them public floggings.

Do you know why you can safely ignore those letters? Because you're a certified nobody, you don't have the profile and of no value to glowing niggers. Null shouldn't have told NZ to stick it, because it increased his media profile but if the glowies want you - they will get you regardless and there will be nothing you can do about it except, as some user here said, hope that they brought the lube.

I'm pretty sure you're not a warez scenester from '00s and even they got buttfucked by the FBI.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself, faggot.

Am I the only one who thinks of la luz extinguido when someone says glowniggers?

lol, I've not sent anything yet. I spent a week before talking about this privately attempting to solicit legal advice and no one wants to help. I can't afford to pay for help. If I could, I would. I'm sorry but I do this entirely by myself, all the time, on every front. I've been lucky with money this year, but for the last few I've not been lucky and I've not yet undone the financial damage I've done to myself by sticking through this. If the server needs to be fixed, I have to fix it. If the site goes down, I have to put it up. If we can't find hosting, I have to learn BGP, I have to buy the IP ranges, I have to set up the ASN, I have to do all that on myself on a budget of almost nothing. When the site gets hacked, I ask people I know for help, and no one can help, I have to fix that too. I don't know what more I can do to prove my dedication to you, an Internet stranger who runs a few Tor exit nodes.

Given your second sentence, I feel this emotional outburst is not a consequence of me appropriately stacking my priorities in a way that dissatisfies you, but is rather a consequence of your humorless existence, lashing out at me for confessing my UNDYING LOVE FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL . Dipshit. The moment you lose your sense of humor, you lose everything. Why do people pick Right over Left now? Because Left denigrates humor. Pick up that habit and you'll disinherit everything you've gained.

And btw, I've never called myself a champion of civil liberties. I'm just some guy. My goal has only ever be to give people a place where they can say whatever they want, so that when I eventually give up, some better people will remember what it feels like and then go on to make their own.

Many of us are really proud of your work, you know. Thanks for putting up with so much crap for the sake of free speech.

You should write a book about your experiences one day.

 

[AnOminous]

This isn't a complicated matter; they want information on a forum member. You'd like to know why before you give them someone's personal details. If it's related to terrorism or a ridiculous criminal act I'd be inclined to give it to them if they back up their request with credible evidence.

They don't really have to tell you why. They just have to tell you they're a grand jury and maybe prove that they actually are and not just some guy claiming to be one.

That's not how grand juries work. Hell, it's not even how normal criminal investigations work. Investigators aren't obliged to provide you with "credible evidence" to justify their request/demand for information - especially when you're merely a witness and not the subject of the investigation.

They might do it though if you ask nicely and it would make everything cordial and collegial.

I seriously doubt they're going to say what they're looking for here though. I'd assume someone is getting indicted though because grand juries always indict.

 

[Captain Hastings Official]

Can't you tip MATI with BAT? I have about $10 in my account. Just want to be sure it goes through.

Yes.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They don't have to tell us but lawyers that litigate cases, sometimes for years, develop relationships. That's why it's good to find someone who's familiar with them.

Null's not the subject of this subpoena, someone on this forum is. In this instance the SDNY attorney handling this might be willing to disclose, in general terms, what kind of a case this is, especially if it's explained the hesitancy to comply stems from First Amendment/Privacy concerns.

Hypothetically, if the person in question assisted the Halle shooter and was aware of their plan to shoot up the synagogue I think that fits the definition of materiel support for terrorism or at the very least, aiding and abetting, I'm not sure, I was rarely involved in criminal cases. My point is that this isn't merely a First Amendment issue for the owner of this site but it's possibly a criminal matter with international legal issues and you aren't under any moral or ethical obligation to cover for someone if that's the case. Let the subject of the subpoena litigate the First Amendment issues if they want.

I could be wrong and way off the mark though. That's why having an attorney negotiate the disclosure would be best.