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Meh. It's been a year.
That's enough time. The smart thing would be to bring it back in 10 years....
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Meh. It's been a year.
That's enough time. The smart thing would be to bring it back in 10 years....
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Or, we could just let it RIP like Regular Show will hopefully stay, because I love that example, as it is..... Or like Steven Universe badly needs to do once these Future episodes come and go, anyway.
And... As much as I did enjoy Adventure Time, warts and all, this reeks of shamelessness all around, honestly.
Nostalgia whores - not even once. Worst of all, nostalgia has not even set in proper yet for something like AT, so yeah - not a great move taking place here, even if the original crew is working on it. Some things you just need to move on from, and AT is one of them, indefinitely.
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At least it’s not shitting on a dead guys legacy.
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Tonight I watched the Rocko's Modern Life and Angry Beavers Halloween specials for the first time in years. I'd forgotten how good Angry Beavers was. (And how Tom Kane's voice for Oxnard Montalvo seems to be imitating Gary Owens, but that's beside the point.)
Only 90s Nicktoon Halloween specials I haven't watched are the ones I don't own, the Hey Arnold! and CatDog ones...
Only 90s Nicktoon Halloween specials I haven't watched are the ones I don't own, the Hey Arnold! and CatDog ones...
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The Hey Arnold! one is pretty good. It parodies the 1938 Orson Welles reading War Of The Worlds paranoia incident. Pretty different for an All Hallow's Eve special.
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And, of course, with Maurice LaMarche in the cast, they get to use his famous Orson Welles impression.
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So, Hazbin Hotel's out now:
Twitter's already cancelling it because there is NSFW fanart of an asexual character. Fanart. Shit that isn't even part of the show.
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I'll give this a quick run down for anyone that cares. Positives I'll give it right away is that voice work for this is good, ( StamperTV, Tomamoto, Monica Franco and holy shit Maxwell Atoms??) and music direction is fine. And for negatives, to keep it short, this is a too many hands in the pot situation. Animation and styles is inconsistent and all over the place. Way too many and overused sound effects every time a character moves. I know this is a pilot but you need at least some consistency. I can see this going for an online series but I can't see this going to TV. And I know vivziepop has been the subject of ridicule from her bad webcomic but for the most part this isn't horrible..... yet.
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They're also trying to cancel it because they believe that vivziepop is "problematic". They claimed that she's a racist pedo.
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Rather ironic given on the type of people they like/love/worship/stan/etc.
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Yeah, this was kind of just all over the place with very little breathing room. I'm interested to see where it goes from here, though since there are elements I enjoy. I like Charlie and that radio demon, hopefully the next episodes get their bearings a little better.
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Not to mention how they complain about the gay character being a stereotype.
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Ignoring stupid twitter nonsense. This was the best i've seen all year
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31 minutes is way too fucking long for a pilot of what seems to be a 22-minute show or so.
They should've trimmed the fat of the script.
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I've got mixed feelings about this. Overall, the premise is interesting and the characters are endearing and somewhat memorable, especially Charlie and Alastor. But as many have said here before, the art style is extremely ill-defined and ever changing. I know this is a very unconventional project, but it can get quite disorienting when a character' or background's design constantly changes, even if it's just their outlines becoming thinner or slightly shaded. Some scenes look like they belong in AnonTheAnon's animations and others have elements that look straight out of Wander over Yonder. Speaking of character designs, a lot of the characters look incomprehensible, either because they have too much detail, too little detail, or a combination of both. It's almost like Viviziepop wanted to throw in everything but the kitchen sink, and decided to throw in the kitchen sink in anyway.
I'm interested to see what direction they take, but as for the pilot, it seems as though they got off on the wrong foot.
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Don't think too hard about what I'm saying here (it's pretty fucking clear this show-to-be certainly isn't thinking all that much to begin with, honestly...):
I get exactly what they're going for here with Hazbin Hotel, I'll give it that (even if I don't agree too much with it; I am a flawed Christian, so yeah.): Hell is not eternal suffering, it is simply a place away from God's light - THAT MUCH? Not portrayed too badly here.
However, this is Vivz were talking about here: it's all style over substance. And whatever I'm getting at here with Hazbin Hotel, I know for a FACT is NOT what they're going for with it (whomever worked on it, that is alongside Vivz.).
As a result, it just feels like an inferior Wander Over Yonder, IMHO - and as much as I liked that show, even it didn't start out all that great (except Hater & Peepers, those 2 actually helped make that show great!).
It's all just style over substance - so you know it'll be a massive hit, even when it doesn't deserve to be, to tell the cold hard truth.
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Even if it wants to be style over substance, that implies that there's something there for people who care more for the substance, even if it's pretty simple. I really don't see much here personally.
Anyways, small collection of my thoughts.
- Pacing is a nightmare, feels as if too much happens, despite not much happening. The tonal whiplash from the intro and the first scene is really bad, I really don't know what this show wants to be.
- God awful sound design.
- "Ew I don't touch gays
." *Proceeds to touch Charlie* (We weren't shown Charlie was gay at all before that.) - Characters are either cardboard or one note jokes. Also all jokes you can see coming if you've seen any media ever.
- Why should I give a shit. Like yeah, Charlie is doing this for hell's benefit, but let's be realistic, her attitude would get her killed in hell if she wasn't a
mary sueprotagonist. Also sending the population to heaven is a band-aid solution if you think about it, but uh, just don't think about it
.
So let's laugh at the fact Vivzie got triggered by a bait account being critical of her work (look at the account name if you don't think it's bait) and accused a traditional artist of whitewashing because they didn't have the characters skin color in marker form (you have to scroll down and read the replies).
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Even if it wants to be style over substance, that implies that there's something there for people who care more for the substance, even if it's pretty simple. I really don't see much here personally.
Anyways, small collection of my thoughts.
I don't want to hate Hazbin Hotel, and I really do just give it a 'meh' more than anything else but I suspect I'm going to come to resent people blindly praising it as time goes on.
- Pacing is a nightmare, feels as if too much happens, despite not much happening. The tonal whiplash from the intro and the first scene is really bad, I really don't know what this show wants to be.
- God awful sound design.
- "Ew I don't touch gays
- Characters are either cardboard or one note jokes. Also all jokes you can see coming if you've seen any media ever.
- Why should I give a shit. Like yeah, Charlie is doing this for hell's benefit, but let's be realistic, her attitude would get her killed in hell if she wasn't a
mary sueprotagonist. Also sending the population to heaven is a band-aid solution if you think about it, but uh, just don't think about it
So let's laugh at the fact Vivzie got triggered by a bait account being critical of her work (look at the account name if you don't think it's bait) and accused a traditional artist of whitewashing because they didn't have the characters skin color in marker form (you have to scroll down and read the replies).
Yeah... THIS new thing right here: It is the exact same reaction to this day I ultimately recall having little to no love nor respect for high-school level BS like Star Vs. / Steven Universe in general; shows I wanted to like and honestly can't, even for the 1-2 good things I could talk about without getting annoyed at myself for NOT watching something else that's better, compared to those 2, anyway.
And yet, Too bad unlike those 2 examples I need to shut the fuck up about already, whereas I had hope for them to be consistently good in the past - I could already tell I was gonna be dissing hard on Hazbin Hotel from the very beginning. Not surprised, Vivz did make Zoophobia and that sucked major ass, so no surprises here nor there. I've just encountered something much worse, business as usual.
And despite all our negative criticism of it here ATM... You better believe people are gonna fall in love with it. Mark my words - and these people will become cancer on us all with it, too - saying THIS is gonna save Western Animation or some obvious BS / brutal lie similar to that much.
I guess I'll never get a proper thing in animated form that shows Hell not as a place of eternal suffering, but simply a place away from God's sight / light, as it is really meant to be portrayed without Biblical influence getting in the way - with how the world is, it was too much to hope for, honestly.
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HH pilot could have been better if so much time wasn't wasted focusing on unimportant (at the moment) side characters. Telling the audience that there are yearly purges is enough, I don't care about 3 characters and their turf war hijinks, it's not important now. A short blurb about turf wars taking place after the purge gets the point across. I think also instead of introducing Angel Dust the way it was done, there could have been a hard cut to AG fucking up once Charlie states she has one hotel guest being successfully rehabbed. But that one's just my personal taste.
Overall I see why it's popular with mostly teenagers. It says swear words without abandon and is irreverent to themes of Christianity. But beyond that, I don't think HH can be better than teeny bopper fodder. Swear words have the power to be hilariously or direly executed, or even characterize someone's speech, but when used like confetti it sounds very immature. And of course I don't believe Viv to be capable of handling religion-subverting themes without completely bungling it or making another Baby's First Atheist Rebellion.
Overall I see why it's popular with mostly teenagers. It says swear words without abandon and is irreverent to themes of Christianity. But beyond that, I don't think HH can be better than teeny bopper fodder. Swear words have the power to be hilariously or direly executed, or even characterize someone's speech, but when used like confetti it sounds very immature. And of course I don't believe Viv to be capable of handling religion-subverting themes without completely bungling it or making another Baby's First Atheist Rebellion.