Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

Yeah, it's like white people are the new jews.

Well, to be fair. Ski resort towns are like the miniature versions of Israel for our unable to break dance chosen people.

This idea of gender binary being a creation of white western colonialism is something that keeps coming up. What, if any, is their evidence for this?

"Black people totally love fags more then white people!" - Someone who never has lived in a black neighborhood.

Also this shit is like, everything in this thread boiled down, haha.
 

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Reeeeeeeemember, kids - everything bad was invented by whitey, like slavery. Just ignore the fact that slavery existed in Africa and Egypt WAAAY before white people came over!

Specifically by huwite men, and huwite wahmen are their chosen quislings and capos.

"Black people totally love fags more then white people!" - Someone who never has lived in a black neighborhood.

Also this shit is like, everything in this thread boiled down, haha.

There's at least a couple studies showing that black communities are significantly more homophobic, but I have a theory why homosexuality is such a taboo outside the west - there's a visceral disgust for anyone that doesn't breed in a subsistence or wartime environment, because population replacement is vital under those conditions. It's an evolutionarily-inspired reaction, codified by religious sects, and in the west, largely non-existent outside of the most dire socioeconomic circumstances, like ghettos and ozark farms. That said, I got nothing to back it up, but it reads as a solid underlying reason to me, for some reason.
 
Specifically by huwite men, and huwite wahmen are their chosen quislings and capos.



There's at least a couple studies showing that black communities are significantly more homophobic, but I have a theory why homosexuality is such a taboo outside the west - there's a visceral disgust for anyone that doesn't breed in a subsistence or wartime environment, because population replacement is vital under those conditions. It's an evolutionarily-inspired reaction, codified by religious sects, and in the west, largely non-existent outside of the most dire socioeconomic circumstances, like ghettos and ozark farms. That said, I got nothing to back it up, but it reads as a solid underlying reason to me, for some reason.
Far easier to chalk it up to economic station or even a full belly.
 
Far easier to chalk it up to economic station or even a full belly.

That's the thing, though - the highest rates of homophobia seem to correlate to warzones and places that experience consistent famines. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting. Which is possible, since I'm a dumb faggot.

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Still waiting on someone to mention how many people have actually been killed by AtomWaffen anywhere, let alone Portland. I can't even find evidence that any of the mouth-breathers are operating in Portland.
 
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That's the thing, though - the highest rates of homophobia seem to correlate to warzones and places that experience consistent famines. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting. Which is possible, since I'm a dumb faggot.

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Still waiting on someone to mention how many people have actually been killed by AtomWaffen anywhere, let alone Portland. I can't even find evidence that any of the mouth-breathers are operating in Portland.
Especially since antifa, Rose City Antifa in particular, practically have all of Portland under their thumb down to the last rat and cockroach in the exact same way The Mob did with Vegas back in the 70s. As big of retards as AW are, they at least know that to try to establish any foothold near Portland is a fools errand, they're basically a boogyman for RCA to use as a half-assed justification for their usual thuggery
 
Yeah, it's like white people are the new jews.

Of course, the Jews actually suffered from being the scapegoats - the pogroms in Tsarist Russia, the Holocaust. White people in America still got it pretty damn good and no one in the real world seems to give a shit about these people blaming white guys for their problems.

Call me when they start making us whiteys wear signs and then you'll have a point.
 
Of course, the Jews actually suffered from being the scapegoats - the pogroms in Tsarist Russia, the Holocaust. White people in America still got it pretty damn good and no one in the real world seems to give a shit about these people blaming white guys for their problems.

Call me when they start making us whiteys wear signs and then you'll have a point.

The Jewish community has it good in 21st Century America as well, although you are correct about their historical persecutions. Jews have been a scapegoat since Ancient Rome and were one of the few groups that both Nazis and Communists favored the genocide of (although the Soviet pogroms under Lenin and Stalin tried to justify their targeting of the Jews with political and anti-theist rhetoric)

I think the point they were trying to make is that the SJW's will blame white people for anything and everything because they are perpetually whiny malcontents, no different than /pol/ tards blaming the Jews for inventing AstroTurf.
 
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Who the fuck are these hot-take generators, and how the fuck are they all so consistently verified?
Wife beaters aren't uncomfortable around women, they're very comfortable beating women. They're often cunning and charismatic enough that they wait until they have their moment. The idea that wife beaters are socially awkward is such an outdated concept and very dangerous to reinforce as a narrative. Don't get me wrong, male feminists are prone to such behavior themselves, but they still have to play the long game to earn that trust. If one is socially awkward that - for a myriad of reasons - sets off red flags to the individual because it's not normal. Usually one tries to avoid such people because it's not comfortable to be around them. Funny that.
 
they are right. One single war crime being moved to another nation is small patatos to having one of the largest social revolutions in human history about a decade early. Hell they even had real world people to use but choose to rewrite history because it "was how they wanted to make a ww2 game".
 
they are right. One single war crime being moved to another nation is small patatos to having one of the largest social revolutions in human history about a decade early. Hell they even had real world people to use but choose to rewrite history because it "was how they wanted to make a ww2 game".
Who’s “they”?
 
Jews have been a scapegoat since Ancient Rome and were one of the few groups that both Nazis and Communists favored the genocide of (although the Soviet pogroms under Lenin and Stalin tried to justify their targeting of the Jews with political and anti-theist rhetoric)

A major difference is Nazis preferred physically killing or otherwise removing the Jews (there was even some behind the scenes efforts between Zionists and Nazis to get them to leave voluntarily to what ended up being Israel later). Marx and Marxists (including Jews like Lenin and Trotsky) viewed Jews in their economic roles and Marx in particular felt that Jewishness was something that had to be abandoned in favor of class consciousness.

Both Christianity and Judaism would ultimately have to cease to exist, although Jewish capitalism made Jews uniquely problematic to the Communist. See in particular "On the Jewish Question" by Marx.

So while both Nazism and Communism were anti-Semitic they were anti-Semitic for different reasons and with different solutions, and secular Jews were a lot more likely to be favorable to getting rid of religion in general than the Nazi idea of getting rid of Jews specifically and physically, religious or not.
 
This idea of gender binary being a creation of white western colonialism is something that keeps coming up. What, if any, is their evidence for this?
this is a really good article about the appropriation of indigenous 'two spirit' stuff.


When I say that transgenderism is culture bound, don’t get me wrong: I think every gender role and presentation is, in fact, dependent on culture. The entire idea of gender, the roles that are developed and called “gender,” are based on the sex binary. That’s why almost always, when you see gender roles, even if there are more than two, you can bet money that it’s just a matter of reclassifying people who don’t fit into a culture’s otherwise rigidly defined sex roles.

Which brings us to the indigenous people of North America.

I have a special kind of rage for any white person who claims to identify as a “Two Spirit” person. It’s like wearing a hipster headdress: it proclaims loud and clear that you’re a white person who likes to appropriate American Indian culture while having little or nothing to do with the culture you’re appropriating.

The version of this that’s less enraging but more prevalent (think of it as the “dreamcatcher” of appropriation–common, misunderstood, and talked about in gross ways by all kinds of white people) is the white trans person who points to American Indian cultures as some kind of more accepting place for people with dysphoria/GID, because many of these cultures had a “third gender.” This represents a misunderstanding of what, precisely, being two-spirit meant culturally, economically, and socially for many two-spirit people, and also represents a very limiting, naive, “all these people look the same to me” view of American Indian nations.

Before we start: lumping all non-gender-conforming people in indigenous North America into a single “third gender” or “berdache” or “two-spirit” label is problematic. The cultures of pre-Columbian North America were incredibly distinct from each other, with significantly different gender roles to be observed even in Indian nations that were very close to each other.

What gets even more interesting when you look into the two-spirit phenomenon is where it doesn’t pop up–or doesn’t pop up with the same frequency.

The Iroquois Confederation historically had no two-spirit people in spite of keeping significantly more detailed documentation of the lives of its people than many other American Indian nations. For that matter, neither did the Apache, who treated two-spirit people respectfully and cordially when they met them but did not themselves have two-spirit people as part of their culture.

What would make the Iroquois and Apache different? It’s not a matter of genetics. That’d only be possible if there were no intermarriages between American Indian people from different nations, and that’s simply not true.

The Iroquois had one of the most politically egalitarian societies for men and women in the world, at the time when white folks set out to destroy them systematically. Women had significant amounts of political power, and the society was not simply matrilineal (which can sometimes still involve huge patriarchal gender role issues–hello, Orthodox Judaism!) but involved real equality of authority.

The Apache were famed for their skill in battle, which may mean you’ve never heard one of the most fascinating parts about their culture. Because war was a near-constant fact for Apache adults, while adults tended to have sex-segregated roles in society, children were actually given a very non-gendered upbringing. Girls were expected to know how to do “boy” things, and vice versa. Why? Think about the home front during World War II. It’s a good idea if all your people know the basics, just so that when there are war parties gone, or a sex imbalance after raids, you don’t lose all of the missing/dead people’s knowledge and skill base.

Neither of these societies–which have in some ways more progressive and egalitarian places for women and/or girls than contemporary societies–had two-spirit people. Was this because they were evil and repressive?

Let’s take the Lakota, one piece of the Sioux nation, as an alternate example. Please note that I’m speaking about the Sioux nations from the perspective of someone who has taken time to learn a great deal of a Sioux language and has studied these cultures both in historical and contemporary contexts. The Lakota have a longstanding tradition of two-spirit people, documented as far back as the written record goes. Among the Lakota, polygyny was accepted, and gender roles were extremely clearly established for boys and girls from an extremely early age.

The Lakota two spirit people are never born women. Almost all of them, historically, have been men. Claims of intersexed/hermaphroditic people from the 19th/early 20th centuries should ALWAYS be taken with a significant grain of salt, because of the trouble Europeans in this era had distinguishing between homosexuality and hermaphroditism (both male and female homosexuals were often thought to have hermaphroditic qualities–a historical fact we’ll talk about in another entry!).

Were no Lakota women “born this way” while men were? Let me postulate a different theory: that it’s men in power who impose gender roles, and that Lakota men’s patriarchal society had to have somewhere to put “men who don’t ‘act like’ men” because of male gender policing. Lakota people put two-spirit men in the part of the camp where women and children lived, which was generally not as well cared for and considered not as prestigious because of the patriarchal way that they lived.

While there were occasionally women in the Lakota and other Sioux nations that became part of war parties, they were not regarded as “male” in any way relating to their oppressed status at home. There was no need for the patriarchal Sioux to create a category for gender non-conforming women, nor to give them special status or specific supposed talents (Lakota and Dakota two-spirit people are said to be excellent namers of children and are thought to be able to see visions of the future). That’s something men do for men, because just by dint of having a penis, gender non-conforming men deserved to be able to have their own group and identity.

You see this in large numbers of patriarchal American Indian cultures: societies where there’s a firmly established “third” gender that men can elect to participate in (sometimes as older people, sometimes from an early age), while women’s gender roles are firmly entrenched and allow for little variance. What’s amazing is that many people are invested in the notion that third gender was egalitarian. Check out how careful this website is to show us both male and female two-spirit people–in fact, having more stories of female two-spirit people–while making no mention of the fact that female third gender individuals were incredibly rare compared to male ones.

Let’s take another example of a society that had a significantly different conception of gender and what it meant to be two-spirit. The Dene people of Alberta are a First Nations group that historically believed children could be reincarnations of deceased relatives. So far, so good, lots of cultures think that–hell, sometimes my own mother tells me I’m the reincarnation of my great grandfather. But in Dene culture, if your parents saw the spirit of a woman enter your mother’s body when she was pregnant, regardless of your birth sex you could be referred to as “my daughter” by the man who believed his daughter’s spirit had been reincarnated into you. You wouldn’t have to live as the sex of the person that you were thought to have been before, but would always be considered to in some way have a foot in each gender from your reincarnated past.

The Dene, it’s worth noting, forced women to go hungry at their husband’s discretion whenever the tribe was low on food. Women in this society were among the most oppressed women in all of indigenous North America. These supposedly progressive ways of viewing gender don’t come from cultures that actually treat women progressively. Not once.

It’s very strange to watch the contemporary trans movement attempt to incorporate American Indian cultural conceptions of gender-nonconformity, because it’s so clearly an attempt to shoehorn people of the past into contemporary cultural labels. In some third gender societies, two-spirit was simply a way to handle homosexuality within the group: homosexual men were considered not fully men, a halfway gender that wasn’t quite “normal.” In others, it was a way to handle intersexed people in societies with rigid sex binaries. In still others, it was for men who specifically preferred women’s work and roles, like weaving and cooking.

In almost none of these societies did two-spirit people born male identify *as women*. We have no documented cases (in spite of documentation of other activities and feelings of “berdaches”/two-spirits in history) of two-spirit men anguishing over an inability to be fully recognized as a woman or to have a woman’s body. They tended to identify as a different type of man, or something between masculine and feminine.

To systematically deprive historical two-spirit people of their own thoughts regarding their gender and what the historical record shows was their place in society–to misrepresent these people, who were often oppressed within their groups rather than lauded for their non-conformity, in spite of the all-too-common hagiographic contemporary notion of American Indian nations as places free from oppression–is to erase the nuance of real history in favor of a conception of history in which really, everyone’s just like you, you lucky 21st century son of a gun who has it all figured out.

The continuous use of two-spirit people as a way to show that transgenderism has existed in all societies–and the incredible lack of knowledge of the basics of indigenous North American cultures shown by many trans people who casually refer to there being transgender people in American Indian societies–is appropriative behavior. It is taking the parts of a society that you think you like, without studying them much or looking at their origins, and deciding that the culture they’re from must really be deep and would really get you. It’s de-contextualizing and de-humanizing, and erases differences between American Indian cultures as well as the fundamental ways those cultures historically were different from anything we have on the planet today.

What’s instead true is that American Indian nations that had more rigid gender roles and assigned women less power historically felt the need to strip male/female identities from non-conformers, while more egalitarian societies with less gender socialization lack two-spirit people because of, rather than in spite of, their lack of emphasis on sex-assigned gender roles.



–Deirdre Bell
 
The Dene, it’s worth noting, forced women to go hungry at their husband’s discretion whenever the tribe was low on food. Women in this society were among the most oppressed women in all of indigenous North America.

I call bullshit on this, having spoken to Dene matriarchs, who directly told me that the reason the men were given priority was to ensure they'd have the energy to hunt, because if they couldn't hunt, the WHOLE FUCKING TRIBE starved. Missing a couple meals in order to ensure your husband was able to lug back a caribou wasn't a huge hardship.

Most of the rest of the article is suspiciously light on data to back any of the assertions, and I seem to remember history class teaching me that the Iroquois were notorious for having exterminated the men of a couple competing tribes, and taking the women and children left as thralls, essentially. I'll buy that some amount of overlap in necessary skills existed, but that isn't uncommon in most hunter-gatherer and agrarian societies, but I ain't buying that the Apaches and Iroquois were particularly "egalitarian."
 
This idea of gender binary being a creation of white western colonialism is something that keeps coming up. What, if any, is their evidence for this?
Given you are all so uninformed about how binary gender were the result of colonialism, let me introduce to you a children's book: Seeing Gender: An Illustrated Guide to Identity and Expression (download link for the stunning and brave parents who plan to raise the next generation of Jazz Jennings.)

Blurb: "Seeing Gender is a must-read for intelligent, curious, want-to-be woke people who care about how we see and talk about gender and sexuality in the 21st century."

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TL;DR -- gender binary is inequality; inequality is power; only white men have power. Ergo white men brought gender binary to redskins together with smallpox.
Also a strong, brave, cunning woman isn't really a woman.
 
Given you are all so uninformed about how binary gender were the result of colonialism, let me introduce to you a children's book: Seeing Gender: An Illustrated Guide to Identity and Expression (download link for the stunning and brave parents who plan to raise the next generation of Jazz Jennings.)

Blurb: "Seeing Gender is a must-read for intelligent, curious, want-to-be woke people who care about how we see and talk about gender and sexuality in the 21st century."

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TL;DR -- gender binary is inequality; inequality is power; only white men have power. Ergo white men brought gender binary to redskins together with smallpox.
Also a woman who is strong isn't really a woman.
When it comes down to it: Social Justice Warriors are the new fundamentalists Christians.
 
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