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So the reason Vinny has been doing cross streams isn't because he wants to but has to because of screenwave? Kinda explains why Jerma and him aren't themselves when streaming with each other.
Yeah it gives me the feeling Vinny might be hiding just how well off he really is. He briefly talks about Screenwave in his Half-Life: Echoes playthrough around 47:00. I remember during the stream there were some people trying to ask more about his relationship with Screenwave and he was silent about it.
 
I respect Vinny a lot because he seems fairly humble about the money he makes, but at the same time, he's not humble-bragging. Back in the boomer days, asking about someone's salary was a somewhat provocative and intrusive. Today, it's very challenging to pussyfoot around topics with your audience for so long. I suppose the distance he imposes does have consequences for people being unable to connect with him, or seeing him as disingenuous. I don't know the guy personally, but I don't think his reservations in discussing his sponsors is because he's afraid of being called a 'sell out'. it's probably because he's made an effort to remain as unbiased as possible in his actions and doesn't want people to see he has an ulterior motive. For instance, he's vehemently criticised several games, and stood by his criticisms in the face of opposing pressure. That kind of honesty is something that seems important to him, and it's something he wants his viewers to appreciate.

Edit not to double post: I agree that Vinny's streams are best when he's having fun. His Silent Hill 2 streams are some of my favourite for that reason.
 
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I'm not sure if anyone's pointed this out, but it seems the reason Vinny and his friends are doing crossovers with other youtubers like Sheetz/Criken/Jerma is because they're all part of some creator network called Screenwave Media.

Not only that, but is appears Screenwave Media is a sponsor for the Too Many Games convention, which Vinny attends every year.

And suddenly, everything makes sense. I always thought it was strange that Vinny seemed to have stopped going to Comic Con in lieu of Too Many Games, when the latter definitely looks much less professional, and, in all honesty, kind of cringey. I assumed it was because he was sick of the big crowds at CC and that TMG was paying him to make guest appearances, where CC definitely wasn't - but now I understand why he keeps going. No wonder he always looks like he's in pain at TMG. I wouldn't call him a sell out, but he's definitely sacrificing some things to work under their name.

I respect Vinny a lot because he seems fairly humble about the money he makes, but at the same time, he's not humble-bragging. Back in the boomer days, asking about someone's salary was a somewhat provocative and intrusive. Today, it's very challenging to pussyfoot around topics with your audience for so long. I suppose the distance he imposes does have consequences for people being unable to connect with him, or seeing him as disingenuous.

His attachment to his privacy and managing to maintain it for a decade is pretty admirable, but like you said, it also puts him at a disadvantage in the face of other content creators, whose personal lives and private info are their brand. Vinny as he is can be pretty marketable - just a sadboy who likes video games and making weird noises - but he's never going to be able to connect with his audience in the way that someone like Markiplier can, due to his unwillingness to share anything really personal.

That's not a bad thing at all in his current standing, since he still has a pretty dedicated fanbase, but I do wonder what would happen to him in a situation where he was outed publicly as having done something morally questionable. The smart thing that content creators like Pewdiepie do is, essentially, tricking their fans into believing they're friends by sharing so much personal information, and thereby building a bond with them. Those parasocial relationships are really powerful things, and so when shit hits the fans (see what I did there?), they sort of act as an unofficial and unpaid PR team, quieting down anyone who brings their bad actions to light and defending the creator staunchly, even if he definitely did it. I chose Pewdiepie as an example because of how many times I've seen this happen with him, most recently being when he said the n-word live on a stream and his fans insisted that it didn't actually happen even though there was video evidence of it.

Circling this back to Vinny, the question becomes - if Vinny was outed as doing something morally questionable, or even explicitly wrong (we can go with one of the classics - stealing money from charity, sexually harassing teenage fans, or saying something racist. Take your pick!), would his fans defend him as rabidly as the fans of other content creators, even in spite of the lack of a connection? Or would they completely abandon him in favor of the facts, because Vinny's refusal to make use of parasocial relationships with them means that they won't be swayed by emotion and how much they like him, and only look at the evidence? It's an interesting question to me.
 
Circling this back to Vinny, the question becomes - if Vinny was outed as doing something morally questionable, or even explicitly wrong (we can go with one of the classics - stealing money from charity, sexually harassing teenage fans, or saying something racist. Take your pick!), would his fans defend him as rabidly as the fans of other content creators, even in spite of the lack of a connection? Or would they completely abandon him in favor of the facts, because Vinny's refusal to make use of parasocial relationships with them means that they won't be swayed by emotion and how much they like him, and only look at the evidence? It's an interesting question to me.
Knowing the Vinesauce fanbase, I think half of them might want to give him the benefit of the doubt and look deeper into it, but the other half would absolutely turn on him the second they smell shit. It's really depressing seeing just how big the divide has gotten between the shitlords and "social justice" types of the community.

I still vividly remember the absolute shitshow that happened in chat during this stream at 54:21 because the ROM maker said that Toby in Catherine "became" transgender, which is apparently "transphobic" because it implies gender identity is a choice and not something you're born in that you can't control, similar to how "choosing to be gay" is homophobic. There were even people signaling others out in chat and yelling at the mods to ban the "transphobes", while others were just trying to deescalate the whole stupid thing and telling people to chill.
 
Welp if you have seen the art booru recently it's now a bit of a "meme" to harass Vinny into playing persona 5...just cause he did DMC2 (and seemingly didn't care) I would imagine it was started in Discord
 
Welp if you have seen the art booru recently it's now a bit of a "meme" to harass Vinny into playing persona 5...just cause he did DMC2 (and seemingly didn't care) I would imagine it was started in Discord
I'm not surprised. It's been a running "gag" to shove P5 music into the playlist during the art corner for a while now, it's just picked up speed now that he's played another meme game. Vinny's got to be severely regretting making DMC2 an incentive for this year's charity now.

The only saving grace at current is he won't be hounded as much for not playing Sword and Shield since the chat's already divided on that one, and any question raised about him playing the game is quickly drowned out by (imo justified) ridicule towards it from the rest of chat.
 
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Welp if you have seen the art booru recently it's now a bit of a "meme" to harass Vinny into playing persona 5...just cause he did DMC2 (and seemingly didn't care) I would imagine it was started in Discord
I feel bad for Vinny in that regard having a group of people who constantly pester you about a game you probably don't give a shit about to play it I wouldn't be surprised if there were games that he would had enjoyed if not for having people pestering him over it just because haha funny meme. Who knew people can be abit unhinged over some streamer not playing a game they want and playing it the way they want.
 
Also this whole "VarietyIsHOPE" thing really doesn't sit right with me. We still have very little information about where the funds are going, or what this new charity organization will mean for Vinesauce as a whole. I see Vinny and Joel making the claim that all the money goes to charity, but that's pretty much a lie if it's only going towards building a charity organization, a fact which they seem to want to sidestep as much as possible and just have people think of it as another charity stream.
 
I just hope he's not getting threats like he did (allegedly) over Undertale.

At least he's not being harassed into playing Dangan Ronpa like Rev has, He already got an ask that said "uwu DR is a GAYS ONLY game! since u r cishet u should stop" which he treated like a troll ask. (it probably was, but still)

And with "Variety is hope" what's gonna happen if it turns into a "Donations go to a trans kids charity uwu"? how would Joel let alone Vinny back out of it without backlash?
 
And with "Variety is hope" what's gonna happen if it turns into a "Donations go to a trans kids charity uwu"? how would Joel let alone Vinny back out of it without backlash?
My worry with VarietyIsHOPE is less that and more that this is going to be the new organization that the VinesauceIsHOPE stream will donate to every year instead of the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation, and we won't really know where the money will go from there.

A streamer's charity event donating to a charity organization that they themselves have a lot of influence over sounds like the definition of a conflict of interest.
 
Vinny is REALLY making it hard to keep supporting him. I had the one Twitch account permabanned for saying "retarded" even though Vinny has made jokes with the word, and now my comments just get deleted from the Fullsauce videos. I didn't even say anything crazy or "hateful". Vinny was talking about seeing people who dress as Devil May Cry characters in everyday life, and I said that anyone who encourages you to be yourself and keep making a spectacle of yourself and ignoring social norms even to get detrimental attention is not your friend and does not have your interests in mind. Maybe the comments are not the place for that advice, but what CAN we even say anymore? BINGY PLEEZ DEE EM ZEE TOO IZ BZT GEAM EVAR is pretty much all that is acceptable anymore. Meanwhile, trannies spam trans rights in his chat endlessly and turn it into a shithouse. I realize that I haven't interacted with the Vinesauce community in like a decade, but Jesus Christ! I love Vinny, and I have a lot of nostalgia for older streams, but I've seen jellyfish with more spine. It seems like he's retreated any time someone got offended by something.
 
Vinny is REALLY making it hard to keep supporting him. I had the one Twitch account permabanned for saying "exceptional" even though Vinny has made jokes with the word, and now my comments just get deleted from the Fullsauce videos. I didn't even say anything crazy or "hateful". Vinny was talking about seeing people who dress as Devil May Cry characters in everyday life, and I said that anyone who encourages you to be yourself and keep making a spectacle of yourself and ignoring social norms even to get detrimental attention is not your friend and does not have your interests in mind. Maybe the comments are not the place for that advice, but what CAN we even say anymore? BINGY PLEEZ DEE EM ZEE TOO IZ BZT GEAM EVAR is pretty much all that is acceptable anymore. Meanwhile, trannies spam trans rights in his chat endlessly and turn it into a shithouse. I realize that I haven't interacted with the Vinesauce community in like a decade, but Jesus Christ! I love Vinny, and I have a lot of nostalgia for older streams, but I've seen jellyfish with more spine. It seems like he's retreated any time someone got offended by something.
You probably went full retard in the comments, judging by this post.
 
I got a comment deleted from a Joel Sims stream for calling Twitch chat raging homos but I can get that one.

And I just personally block anyone who uses any of those pride hearts, they'll never say anything worth reading anyway.
 
Knowing the Vinesauce fanbase, I think half of them might want to give him the benefit of the doubt and look deeper into it, but the other half would absolutely turn on him the second they smell shit. It's really depressing seeing just how big the divide has gotten between the shitlords and "social justice" types of the community.

I still vividly remember the absolute shitshow that happened in chat during this stream at 54:21 because the ROM maker said that Toby in Catherine "became" transgender, which is apparently "transphobic" because it implies gender identity is a choice and not something you're born in that you can't control, similar to how "choosing to be gay" is homophobic. There were even people signaling others out in chat and yelling at the mods to ban the "transphobes", while others were just trying to deescalate the whole stupid thing and telling people to chill.

I remember this, it's still infuriating even now. I appreciate how 99% of the time if I ever hear the word "transphobia" being thrown around in any context it almost never refers to the genuine article, just people using language wrong or being innocently ignorant.
 
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And honestly, you can easily never see the trans hearts, gay pride emojis by downloading FFZ or BTTV and adding them to the blacklist.
Is that all you talk about? Seriously feels like you shoehorn it into every post you make because you want to "pwn the libs to own the libs." Not that I don't feel you on that, but bringing it up every 3 or 4 post complaining about the same shit in the same way makes this thread a grind to read though. We fucking get it. You hate the trans spam. We do too! Now shut the fuck up about it for maybe a page pretty please.

Back on topic, I always was paranoid about PCRF since day one but that's just how I am with all charities. I just thought it was weird that there is this random organization coming out of nowhere that supposedly didn't even have the resources to even advertise itself that's now the biggest deal ever and is now making hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they even made it a big deal about how they made extra sure that the money had to go to this small, obscure organization that researched pediatric cancer, because who could ever be against finding a cure for childhood cancer as opposed to other causes, right? It just did not sit right with me for some reason. Looking back on it now, I may have been just looking for something to get worked up over mixed with legit crazy.

This VarietyisHOPE shit is giving me flashbacks to that same paranoia but now there is a chance that this time it could be justified. Fucking hell. I'm thinking about how much of a cash cow that shit is going to be if it really is a scam. Look at GDQ and how much it gets per event despite it being common knowledge that most of the money doesn't go towards cancer at all. This is going to be that but with corruptions and quirky obscure vidya instead of speedruns. I could be wrong though, but if I am then I'm just wondering what the fuck were the thinking starting this shit right before Halloween?

My only hope is that it produces some really good streams like VinesauceisHOPE did a few years ago.
 
Look at GDQ and how much it gets per event despite it being common knowledge that most of the money doesn't go towards cancer at all. This is going to be that but with corruptions and quirky obscure vidya instead of speedruns. I could be wrong though, but if I am then I'm just wondering what the fuck were the thinking starting this shit right before Halloween?

Hootey seems to be pretty good at conducting the charity searches and making certain that the money they make absolutely goes to that charity - in fact, I'm pretty sure he stopped streaming in order to facilitate more decent charity work, both for Vinesauce and in his personal life. I don't think he would still associate with their brand if Variety was a scam, and we would've seen some proof of a separation by now if that was the case. Not saying there's not still potential for it to be a ripoff, but give the guy some credit; he's done good work thus far, and it would be weird for him to suddenly turn his back on that now and go full on corrupt.

Dude, calm your ass down, it was directed at the person losing their shit over the emojis being spammed when they were being just as exceptional and got banned for it. All I said was they could have avoided that if they had blocked them in the first place.

Must be one of the chat members who uses those silly emojis A LOT as it seems I struck a nerve.

I really don't know why you guys complain so much about the trans pride spam. I'll be honest, I've been watching Joel and Vinny regularly the last year or so, and I hardly notice it at all. The only time it got to be a bit much was during pride month... four months ago. Feels like you're just extra sensitive to it for some reason.
 
Goddamn, I forgot how infuriating Joel can be when he's not paying attention.

Two words: Dead Rising

I get it, it's a damn good game and there's plenty of potential for goofing off, but this was almost a chore to listen to. He lets the radio go off constantly, moans about how Otis bitches at you if you get interrupted, whilst running in circles doing nothing wasting bounds of time, losing tons of potential survivors then whines like a hyperactive hamster trying to escort one or two of them to the safe house before the next part of the story expires, and fucks it up when one of them dies because he doesn't protect them for shit, having joked the entire time how utterly shit the survivor AI was. All the while cracking peepee jokes and painfully lusting after Jessie.

How he managed to finish Overtime mode is a goddamn mystery. For someone who's played the game a few times before, it's surprising to see how little game sense Joel had the entire time.

It's that weird anxious feeling of knowing something horrible is about to happen and being unable to do anything about it and it goes on for almost 16 hours.
 
Goddamn, I forgot how infuriating Joel can be when he's not paying attention.

Two words: Dead Rising


I get it, it's a damn good game and there's plenty of potential for goofing off, but this was almost a chore to listen to. He lets the radio go off constantly, moans about how Otis bitches at you if you get interrupted, whilst running in circles doing nothing wasting bounds of time, losing tons of potential survivors then whines like a hyperactive hamster trying to escort one or two of them to the safe house before the next part of the story expires, and fucks it up when one of them dies because he doesn't protect them for shit, having joked the entire time how utterly shit the survivor AI was. All the while cracking peepee jokes and painfully lusting after Jessie.

How he managed to finish Overtime mode is a goddamn mystery. For someone who's played the game a few times before, it's surprising to see how little game sense Joel had the entire time.

It's that weird anxious feeling of knowing something horrible is about to happen and being unable to do anything about it and it goes on for almost 16 hours.
Reminds me of his signal simulator streams where he's constantly wondering why his system efficiency is shit despite being told numerous times he needs to power off two of the systems when he isn't using them because they're draining all the power, then going "No that can't be right can it?". I'd give him a pass because he only does the game once a week but it doesn't become any less frustrating (and funny) to see him acknowledge what he has to power off to keep things going....only to leave them on and be able to do nothing.
 
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