FBI releases "Finders" Document on CIA connected child sex trafficking cult

The only actual link I can find between McMartin and this Finders case is. How can convenient that a white plastic plate that had pentagrams painted on bright green paint were found. Sounds like it was meant to be incredibly visible, odd that you would be build elaborate secret underground tunnels but conveniently have that appear down there. The 100 animal bones are insignificant as far I'm concerned, 1000s of artifacts is also deliberately very vague. I would say that McMartin map is likely a red herring of sorts, it seems most people didn't make it past the map in the report so it was highly effective. I see zero connection between satanism and the Finders. The McMartin preschool also looks bullshit as far is satanism is concerned as well.

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I have come up with 5 of the most probable scenarios each with some variability on the minor details.

1. Finders was an alternate lifestyle organization established by the CIA in the 1960s that turned into a full fledged cult by the 70s. They experimented on it's members with a variety of methods, like as part of MKUltra and Monarch. They then used said members to collect information on political dissidents, technology industries, foreign affairs, etc. They were also used as a tool to spread false information. Members are educated anti-establishment, most aren't aware of cult's true intentions, tricked into doing things under pretense of it being a game. Children likely used as foreign sleeper agents, particularly in China, out of Hong Kong. Finders actually leak information to media under direction of CIA, now becomes a media circus about satanic panic. When the arrests and warrants happened 1987, CIA and Counterintelligence covered up the entire affair, wiping all evidence and ending all investigations.

2. Marian Pettie is an ego maniac who gained notoriety by having a wife in CIA. People buy the hype, guy is a sick fuck. CIA linked to Finder's through his wife, who probably helped the group establish many work connections in D.C. Begins not only doing black market research on his members but also uses them to collect information for CIA (likely through Hong Kong) as well as other entities. Experimentation on members/children include mind control, diet, and drug use. Also establishes a porn and prostitution ring with adult members. Children may or may not be part of it, though it's likely that the child sexual abuse was incidental looking at the medial reports. Huge money making enterprises, all likely cash and hard to trace. Ladies are out of town likely prostituting themselves in CA, the children already treated as a burden have no caretakers. Pettie kicks kids off his compound, tells members to figure it while playing a "game", Ammerman goes to Gainesville to visit his parents, is left waiting in FL. They get caught because they act like retards in a local park. Arrests and warrant search happens. Media frenzy ensues after leakers likely see photographs seized, ex-members contact media, previous whistleblowers call, and the story becomes about sensationalized devil worshipers doing blood rituals with white babies. CIA intervenes fearing bad press, leaked government secrets, among other things. The entire affair is covered up and handled behind the scenes.

3. Finders was an alternate lifestyle organization established by the CIA in the 1960s that turned into a full fledged cult by the 70s. Like Air America the organization acted as a CIA front to gather intelligence and transport of goods be that weapons, drugs, technologies, and even people. The Finders were preparing for a mission in China under the guise of child trafficking (real or otherwise), in trying to leave no paper trail and waiting for transport in Florida to overseas shit got botched. When the arrests and warrants happened 1987, CIA and Counterintelligence covered up the entire affair, wiping all evidence and ending all investigations.

4. Finders were working for unknown organization/country. Finders attracts members with anti-government message, further radicalized in the cult. Organization able to infiltrate major organizations and in intelligence agencies in government. Members are educated anti-establishment but most aren't aware of cult's true intentions, tricked into doing things under pretense of it being a game. CIA probably thinks they are using Finders, Finders really using them. Collection of mass amounts of data discovered during warrant search, high ups in government flip their shit. CIA and Counterintelligence declare risk of national security and confiscate all evidence, entire affair is deleted and lumped into satanic panic. Many members either made a deal or are sitting in a foreign prison.

5. Marian Pettie is an ego maniac who gained notoriety by having a wife in CIA. People buy the hype, guy is a sick fuck. CIA linked to Finder's through his wife, who probably helped the group establish many work connections in D.C. Shit hits the fan when the arrests happen in 1987, fearing bad press and irreparably damage to the CIA's image they cover up the whole affair, put Finders under strict supervision. I say this because Pettie openly brags about his wife's involvement for the CIA, brags about his son working for Air America, brags about being in contact with intelligence officials, thinks he's the greatest mind on earth. and is generally an obnoxious fart huffing megalomaniac. It's great that he's dead and the Finders no longer exist.
 
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The only actual link I can find between McMartin and this Finders case is. How can convenient that a white plastic plate that had pentagrams painted on bright green paint were found. Sounds like it was meant to be incredibly visible, odd that you would be build elaborate secret underground tunnels but conveniently have that appear down there. The 100 animal bones are insignificant as far I'm concerned, 1000s of artifacts is also deliberately very vague. I would say that McMartin map is likely a red herring of sorts, it seems most people didn't make it past the map in the report so it was highly effective. I see zero connection between satanism and the Finders. The McMartin preschool also looks bullshit as far is satanism is concerned as well.

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I have come up with 5 of the most probable scenarios each with some variability on the minor details.

1. Finders was an alternate lifestyle organization established by the CIA in the 1960s that turned into a full fledged cult by the 70s. They experimented on it's members with a variety of methods, like as part of MKUltra and Monarch. They then used said members to collect information on political dissidents, technology industries, foreign affairs, etc. They were also used as a tool to spread false information. Members are educated anti-establishment, most aren't aware of cult's true intentions, tricked into doing things under pretense of it being a game. Children likely used as foreign sleeper agents, particularly in China, out of Hong Kong. Finders actually leak information to media under direction of CIA, now becomes a media circus about satanic panic. When the arrests and warrants happened 1987, CIA and Counterintelligence covered up the entire affair, wiping all evidence and ending all investigations.

2. Marian Pettie is an ego maniac who gained notoriety by having a wife in CIA. People buy the hype, guy is a sick fuck. CIA linked to Finder's through his wife, who probably helped the group establish many work connections in D.C. Begins not only doing black market research on his members but also uses them to collect information CIA (likely through Hong Kong) as well as other entities. Probably forms of experimentation and all members as well as children. Also establishes a porn and prostitution ring with adult members. Children may or may not be part of it, though it's likely that the child sexual abuse with incidental looking at the medial reports. Huge money making enterprises, all likely cash and hard to trace. Ladies are out of town likely prostituting themselves in CA, the children already treated as a burden have no caretakers. Pettie kicks kids off his compound, tells members to figure it while playing a "game", Ammerman goes to Gainesville to visit his parents, is left waiting in FL. They get caught because they act like exceptional individuals in a local park. Arrests and warrant search happens. Media frenzy ensues after leakers likely see photographs seized, ex-members contact media, previous whistleblowers call, and the story becomes about sensationalized devil worshipers doing blood rituals with white babies. CIA intervenes fearing bad press, leaked government secrets, among other things. The entire affair is covered up and handled behind the scenes.

3. Finders was an alternate lifestyle organization established by the CIA in the 1960s that turned into a full fledged cult by the 70s. Like Air America the organization acted as a CIA front to gather intelligence and transport of goods be that weapons, drugs, technologies, and even people. The Finders were preparing for a mission in China under the guise of child trafficking (real or otherwise), in trying to leave no paper trail and waiting for transport in Florida to overseas shit got botched. When the arrests and warrants happened 1987, CIA and Counterintelligence covered up the entire affair, wiping all evidence and ending all investigations.

4. Finders were working for unknown organization/country. Finders attracts members with anti-government message, further radicalized in the cult. Organization able to infiltrate major organizations and in intelligence agencies in government. Members are educated anti-establishment but most aren't aware of cult's true intentions, tricked into doing things under pretense of it being a game. CIA probably thinks they are using Finders, Finders really using them. Collection of mass amounts of data discovered during warrant search, high ups in government flip their shit. CIA and Counterintelligence declare risk of national security and confiscate all evidence, entire affair is deleted and lumped into satanic panic. Many members either made a deal or are sitting in a foreign prison.

5. Marian Pettie is an ego maniac who gained notoriety by having a wife in CIA. People buy the hype, guy is a sick fuck. CIA linked to Finder's through his wife, who probably helped the group establish many work connections in D.C. Shit hits the fan when the arrests happen in 1987, fearing bad press and irreparably damage to the CIA's image they cover up the whole affair, put Finders under strict supervision.
I'm going with MK ultra CIA group used to get information/ leverage on political people and other people of interest.

Time for Metokurs finders stream this evening. Happy Halloween kiwis
 
You guys do know the fucking Finders Cult was defended by none other than Patch "Goddam" Adams, right? So yeah, I only watched that movie once but now I can't even think about that child raping clown without getting sick to my stomach.

"Marion Pettie [is a] very intelligent, extremely well-read, a perceptive thinker
who gathered around him over-educated people who find current society, as I do,
not very interesting. They dropped out of whatever it was they were doing to play
games under Pettie's direction. The anthropological, psychological, sociological
game of life with each other. Never to my knowledge have they done drugs of any
kind. They like playing games, more in their heads than in their hearts. This is
not Scientology. I know lots of Finders who have left. We get together. We laugh
and joke about it. They're probably laughing about all this right now. Marion
Pettie is not an angel. He's not a devil. He's a regular person, unless a regular
person is someone who is bored with his job, his life and is dissatisfied with his
life. If that's the definition, then I guess he's not a regular person."
Adams concluded that "Their way of child-rearing isn't mine. Yes, they're
strange. Yes, they're maybe misguided, but there are a lot of other kinds of
neglect out there. If their children have been neglected, it wasn't meant to be
neglect. They mean to give their children enriching experiences. This could be a
lesson of survival. If you wanted to show our society it is messed up, this
certainly will do it. "



 
You guys do know the fucking Finders Cult was defended by none other than Patch "Goddam" Adams, right? So yeah, I only watched that movie once but now I can't even think about that child raping clown without getting sick to my stomach.

He isn't the only malevolent cult leader with big connections. Jim Jones was very popular in the Democratic Party in California before he went off to Guyana, and in particular San Francisco's Democrats.

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Found this pastebin of 4chan posts by John Brisson on 4chan https://pastebin.com/nUJvAapE (Journalist, writing a book on the finders and from a quick search he's been researching the finders for 3 years, lots of podcast appearances speaking about it). He's put in some interesting links too that he's used as part of his research, I haven't had a chance to read through everything yet though.

The things that stuck out for me were the links between the finders and the McMartin case:
Tobe Terrell on McMartin Preschool and “Satanic Panic:”

“This is the era of the McMartin Preschool madness in Manhattan Beach, California, and many other child abuse witch-hunts that swept across America during the 1980s. Dozens of innocent people were sentenced to long jail terms, some of more than 100 years, based on stories told by children. The stories are so fantastic they could not possibly be believed. But, they were believed by juries. Most of those convicted have been released after careful study of the children’s interrogation made it clear the fantastic stories were planted in the minds of the children by the way the interrogators asked their questions. That is the fearful mindset of many Americans in 1987. Millions of dollars are spent by government agencies aimed at making people aware of child abuse. Some people see a child abuser lurking outside of every playground. No doubt, the woman who called the police in Tallahassee is proud that she did her duty as a citizen.”

Tobe Terrell in the Gamecaller mentioned that during Goatgate he left to San Diego and went to Manhattan Beach and visited McMartin as well? Why, when they are being investigated?

Dr. Nahman H. Greenberg was flown in from the Chicago area to interview the children. Greenberg charged Florida Health and Rehabilitative Services $168,000 and was offered nine contracts for his work on the Finders case for consulting to improve Florida’s response and training to handle child sexual abuse. HRS secretary Gregory L. Coler who was from Illinois was friends with Greenberg and contacted the Tallahassee police department to recommend his services in the investigation. An early champion for the defense in the McMartin Preschool case was the late Dr. Nahman H. Greenberg, a prominent psychiatric consultant on child abuse and neglect.

With a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health in 1971, Dr. Greenberg once designed a psychological profile to identify the personality characteristics of abused children. For twenty years, while still an associate professor at the University of Illinois's psychiatry department, he was director of child development in the clinical and research unit. In 1975 he founded CAUSES (Child Abuse Unit for Studies, Education, and Services) at Illinois Masonic Hospital. His office glittered with numerous honors from federal and state government agencies.

Nahman Greenberg was brought in to make sense of the McMartin children's allegations. He studied the questioning techniques of Kee MacFarlane and generally behaved as though he agreed with her findings. But in public pronouncements Greenberg later stated that MacFarlane coerced accusations of abuse from the children, goaded them into making slanderous allegations. The argument, endlessly repeated, has since cast a pall on McFarlane's credibility. His subsequent career is revealing. Dr. Greenberg's next ritual abuse case came shortly after his consultation on McMartin.
It could be a possible explanation for why the two McMartin pages were in the finders file.

Edit: more links
Links to search warrants posted on 4chan https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/231591761

 
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Crossposting from Metokur's thread...

I briefly looked into that map of tunnels under the preschool.

Wikipedia is not allowing any of this document drop onto articles about these issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:McMartin_preschool_trial#Relevance_of_Finders_Report(19/10/25)
They want news articles as sources, not FBI documents.
Concerning the preschool thing, they say that those were originally part of the document published by the archaeologist (true) and that the tunnel thing was "debunked" as being sewer lines and that all the artifacts were because the site was used a rubbish site before the preschool was built. They used ground penetrating radar and then dug in certain areas. So it doesn't appear that they actually found and explored tunnels as in they were crawling through them, as the "tunnels" had been filled. http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/McMartin Scientific Report.pdf

Those couple of pages were included in the FBI document because it was info they were given, I guess, as part of their investigation.

I dunno. I skimmed through the old report and some of it seems like a stretch (the pentagram plate thing on page 58 for example), some it seems like it could be legit.
 
Look at this fuckin map and tell me Culpeper, Virginia isn't suspect as fuck.
How many roads in/out of town do you need?
Plus centrally located... it's really close to Charlottesville which is smack dab an hour or two from about a half a dozen HQs of alphabet agencies...

Also FYI, one of the folks who was a member of Finders was a Mary Grogan. There is a Mary Grogan who is a Ph.D and "educational consultant" and another who works as like a therapist (unless they are one and the same which I doubt because one appears to be Canuck and the other Antipodean). Both of those jobs seem liek the kind of thing that an MK-Ultra handler specializing in SRA/trauma training/sexual & psychological abuse of children to create alters might be into...

 
Did I miss something or did Jim not actually read through the rest of the document last night? I came in late, but only by like 30-40 minutes.
 
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The author says his name is Tobe Terrell
And describes himself as one of this guy's "players" maybe he is a Finder as well?
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This "Zen Hostel" appears to be shut down now




I'm in the middle of reading his book and have a few notes:

- It's not as hippy dippy as you would think

- It's still super hippy dippy

- The 60's created a legion of retarded young adults that were perfectly moldable to the whims of charismatic leaders

_ It's actually quite a good read, this Tobe Terrell guy glows a little, but the story is believable.

-The cult is like The Manson Family but less-dysfunctional

- This guy M.D Pettie seems like a real Certified Incandescent African-American



I really suggest giving the book a read, it's quite a compelling narrative.
 
I'm in the middle of reading his book and have a few notes:

- It's not as hippy dippy as you would think

- It's still super hippy dippy

- The 60's created a legion of exceptional young adults that were perfectly moldable to the whims of charismatic leaders

_ It's actually quite a good read, this Tobe Terrell guy glows a little, but the story is believable.

-The cult is like The Manson Family but less-dysfunctional

- This guy M.D Pettie seems like a real Certified Incandescent African-American



I really suggest giving the book a read, it's quite a compelling narrative.
Thank you sir. The guest metokur had on his stream the second part of his finders series confirmed this dude glows in the freaking dark. He connected some dots apparently this dude used to work for the IRS and did alot of financial fuckery and moving shit around. Definitely a weirdo
 
Thank you sir. The guest metokur had on his stream the second part of his finders series confirmed this dude glows in the freaking dark. He connected some dots apparently this dude used to work for the IRS and did alot of financial fuckery and moving shit around. Definitely a weirdo

The fact that M.D. Pettie had disciples with access to wealth and power isn't a unique feature of him as a cult leader. It's the fact that he straight up disappears for months at a time. That and the fact that nothing really popped off until 1987, it was a very Controlled Group.
 
Crossposting from Metokur's thread...

I briefly looked into that map of tunnels under the preschool.

Wikipedia is not allowing any of this document drop onto articles about these issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:McMartin_preschool_trial#Relevance_of_Finders_Report(19/10/25)
They want news articles as sources, not FBI documents.
Concerning the preschool thing, they say that those were originally part of the document published by the archaeologist (true) and that the tunnel thing was "debunked" as being sewer lines and that all the artifacts were because the site was used a rubbish site before the preschool was built. They used ground penetrating radar and then dug in certain areas. So it doesn't appear that they actually found and explored tunnels as in they were crawling through them, as the "tunnels" had been filled. http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/McMartin Scientific Report.pdf

Those couple of pages were included in the FBI document because it was info they were given, I guess, as part of their investigation.

I dunno. I skimmed through the old report and some of it seems like a stretch (the pentagram plate thing on page 58 for example), some it seems like it could be legit.

In regards to McMartin, the person who was responsible for pushing the "Satanic Panic" angle was Debbie Nathan.
She's quote in that Ted Gunderson report. Debbie wrote a book about the situation and was basically lauded as a hero for quelling the "hysteria" around the sex abuse cases.

Debbie Nathan is an insane "feminist" leftist nutjob. The association she runs, The National Center for Reason and Justice, basically exists to defend "wrongly accused" pedos/rapists or "wrongly convicted" ones.

She has an absolutely typically perverse ideology on "consent" - there was one case in Glen Ridge, NJ, where a retarded woman had sex with a bunch of footballers. The woman was a tard who couldn't board a bus, but according to Debbie, that doesn't mean that she can't enjoy a good gang banging. She was on the side of the "rapists".

Needless to say, Debbie has written a book on Pornography, how it's great and how it has no link to criminal activity whatsoever.

She's also pro-kid sex. Children have sexual bodies too, you know. She even wrote a book on it.
She's pals with "being mad about pedos is right wing hysteria" Judith Levine. Judith Levine also co-runs the above National Center for Reason and Justice.

Overall, she's in the same league as Camille Paglia - a "feminist" woman who also says she's trans (butch dyke) but is against transgenders somehow, and is VERY pro "Man-boy love" and pedophilia.

Here's a taste of what Debbie had to say about McMartin. As you can see, Debbie doesn't give a shit about truth.
You'll also note the language Debbie uses to shut down the "hysteria". Sound familiar? Sounds identical to anyone who pushes the trooning of kids/Troons in general.

As for the children who sat in the light, their parents have invested years believing in demonic conspiracies and underground nursery tunnels. (until recently, the parents were still digging. They came up with Indian artifacts.) They have spoken unremittingly of such things, to the world and to their sons and daughters. They have told their children, over and over again, that they were abused, then rewarded them for acting traumatized. They have put them in therapy with adult fanatics who have done the same, and enrolled them as guinea pigs in the “research” projects of zealots.

The McMartin kids, and hundreds of others in ritual abuse spin-offs across the country, have spent years trapped in clans now extended to include psychologists, social workers and prosecutors –– clans whose identity derives from a tent-revival belief in their children’s imagined victimization. Right wing devil-mongers may find the subculture to their liking, but the rest of us ought to recognize the harm it is wreaking, not only on civil liberties and the falsely accused, but also on day-care, on women’s rights, and especially on children. Because the kids involved in this hysteria have indeed suffered, but not at the hands of their teachers. And the abuse perpetrated against them by the child-protection movement gone mad are every bit as awful as the tyranny of incest.

The McMartin School was painstakingly probed for tunnels. None were found. Neither was child pornography, nor witnesses from the traffic-filled freeways, nor any other evidence. Doctors’ findings of physical abuse were later debunked by medical researchers. Child protection experts have since criticized the prosecution’s social workers for using leading, suggestive interviewing methods that resembled brainwashing. Judy Johnson was hospitalized for psychosis in early 1985 (she later died of an alcoholism-related liver disease.) An assistant D.A., who quit the case and then helped the defense told the press over three years ago that the woman had been mentally ill when she made her first charges – information the McMartin jurors were never allowed to hear.

This is the same kind of rhetoric used when talking about troons. "Doctors can say what they LIKE about biology, but OUR medical research says they're wrong". It's all twisted double logic from these people.
Also note how she doesn't mind tearing another woman down, just because she has a mental illness. Such a feminist!

My point is that when you look at the people involved, especially in quelling the "hysteria", it's never ever as simple as just random people involved.

Evil fucks like Debbie Nathan have an agenda.

As we know now, there were tunnels at McMartin. That matters not to people like Debbie, because even if there are tunnels, so what? Sex Abuse isn't abuse, kids can consent. Pedophilia is A.OK. No harm no foul.
 
He isn't the only malevolent cult leader with big connections. Jim Jones was very popular in the Democratic Party in California before he went off to Guyana, and in particular San Francisco's Democrats.

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Don't forget that Bundy was a well-connected Republican, Gacy (pic related, him with Jimmeh's wife Rosalyn Carter) was tight with cops and local Democrat bigwigs, Bob Berdella (hoo boy, that's a deep one, I'll have to find my McGowan and touch on that later) for some reason mentions Oliver North.

North in addition to being the guy who got away scot-free after trading guns for cocaine to the Nicaraguans during the Iran-Contra Affair. Oh, don't forget, North is a buddy of arch-Satanist and perpetual debunker of "Satanic Panic" Michael Aquino who was of course connected to Presidio. Presidio was strikingly similar to both Finders and McMartin right down to the creepy blood sacrifice rituals, robes and hidden tunnels.

But yeah, don't worry guys, pedo-apologist creep and former MRA esteemed male feminist David Fatroll of We Hungry Likea Mammoth debunked that Satanic Panic stuff. Yup in notorious pedo shielding publication Salon he wrote an article about kids probably shouldn't be believed so often. So remember: believe all wahmen, but the kids are just hysterical and lying.


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In regards to McMartin, the person who was responsible for pushing the "Satanic Panic" angle was Debbie Nathan.
She's quote in that Ted Gunderson report. Debbie wrote a book about the situation and was basically lauded as a hero for quelling the "hysteria" around the sex abuse cases.

Debbie Nathan is an insane "feminist" leftist nutjob. The association she runs, The National Center for Reason and Justice, basically exists to defend "wrongly accused" pedos/rapists or "wrongly convicted" ones.

She has an absolutely typically perverse ideology on "consent" - there was one case in Glen Ridge, NJ, where a exceptional woman had sex with a bunch of footballers. The woman was a tard who couldn't board a bus, but according to Debbie, that doesn't mean that she can't enjoy a good gang banging. She was on the side of the "rapists".

Needless to say, Debbie has written a book on Pornography, how it's great and how it has no link to criminal activity whatsoever.

She's also pro-kid sex. Children have sexual bodies too, you know. She even wrote a book on it.
She's pals with "being mad about pedos is right wing hysteria" Judith Levine. Judith Levine also co-runs the above National Center for Reason and Justice.

Overall, she's in the same league as Camille Paglia - a "feminist" woman who also says she's trans (butch dyke) but is against transgenders somehow, and is VERY pro "Man-boy love" and pedophilia.

Here's a taste of what Debbie had to say about McMartin. As you can see, Debbie doesn't give a shit about truth.
You'll also note the language Debbie uses to shut down the "hysteria". Sound familiar? Sounds identical to anyone who pushes the trooning of kids/Troons in general.





This is the same kind of rhetoric used when talking about troons. "Doctors can say what they LIKE about biology, but OUR medical research says they're wrong". It's all twisted double logic from these people.
Also note how she doesn't mind tearing another woman down, just because she has a mental illness. Such a feminist!

My point is that when you look at the people involved, especially in quelling the "hysteria", it's never ever as simple as just random people involved.

Evil fucks like Debbie Nathan have an agenda.

As we know now, there were tunnels at McMartin. That matters not to people like Debbie, because even if there are tunnels, so what? Sex Abuse isn't abuse, kids can consent. Pedophilia is A.OK. No harm no foul.
on the subject of expert testimony, it's also worth noting that early 90's was also the time that the idea of implanted false memory was heavily promoted by media, primarily through the work of the false memory syndrome foundation. the FMSF is "a nonprofit organization founded in 1992 by Pamela and Peter Freyd, after their adult daughter Jennifer Freyd accused Peter Freyd of sexual abuse when she was a child." 🤔

columbia journalism review noted a sudden sea change in media coverage.
Columbia journalism review said:
Rarely has such a strange and little-understood organization had such a profound effect on media coverage of such a controversial matter. A study showed that in 1991 prior to the group's foundation, of the stories about abuse in several popular press outlets "more than 80 percent of the coverage was weighted toward stories of survivors, with recovered memory taken for granted and questionable therapy virtually ignored" but that three years later "more than 80 percent of the coverage focused on false accusations, often involving supposedly false memory
whenever the topic of systematic/ritual child abuse comes up on a forum like reddit, posters rush to be the big brained one who explains how it's a been debunked by science like it's flat earth. meanwhile, there is virtually zero actual scientific literature to support any of their assertions.
wikipedia said:
The claims made by the FMSF for the incidence and prevalence of false memories have been criticized as lacking evidence and disseminating alleged inaccurate statistics about the problem.[2] Despite claiming to offer scientific evidence for the existence of FMS, the FMSF has no criteria for one of the primary features of the proposed syndrome – how to determine whether the accusation is true or false. Most of the reports by the FMSF are anecdotal, and the studies cited to support the contention that false memories can be easily created are often based on experiments that bear little resemblance to memories of actual sexual abuse. In addition, though the FMSF claims false memories are due to dubious therapeutic practices, the organization presents no data to demonstrate these practices are widespread or form an organized treatment modality.[23][24] Within the anecdotes used by the FMSF to support their contention that faulty therapy causes false memories, some include examples of people who recovered their memories outside of therapy.
imo this concept is used to gaslight kids in a formal legal process.
 
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on the subject of expert testimony, it's also worth noting that early 90's was also the time that the idea of implanted false memory was heavily promoted by media, primarily through the work of the false memory syndrome foundation. the FMSF is "a nonprofit organization founded in 1992 by Pamela and Peter Freyd, after their adult daughter Jennifer Freyd accused Peter Freyd of sexual abuse when she was a child." 🤔

columbia journalism review noted a sudden sea change in media coverage.

whenever the topic of systematic/ritual child abuse comes up on a forum like reddit, posters rush to be the big brained one who explains how it's a been debunked by science like it's flat earth. meanwhile, there is virtually zero actual scientific literature to support any of their assertions.

imo this concept is used to gaslight kids in a formal legal process.
In response, her father, a mathematics professor, and her mother, who holds a Ph.D. in education and is an expert in the storage and reconstruction of words in the memory, founded the Philadelphia-based False Memory Syndrome Foundation in 1992
The mother was an expert "in the storage and reconstruction of words in the memory". What a fascinating coincidence.

On December 11, 1996, in [an internet posting] Dr. Peter Freyd, husband of the Executive Director of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, wrote: Since we all want to be open about any money we might have received from military-related sources, let me confess; I too must go on record. Starting in 1988, I’ve been getting a lot of money from the U.S. Office of Naval Research.
Experts with an affinity for fucking memory were funded by military sources starting at least 4 years prior to when they started their False Memory organization. Interesting stuff.

FMSF former board member Ralph Underwager interview in pro-pedophilia magazine, Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia. In response to, "Is choosing paedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individual?", he said, “Certainly it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose paedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people... rest is at the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Underwager

FMSF board member Martin Orne, M.D., Ph.D. received CIA money through MKULTRA Subproject 84 in 1958; Subproject documents indicate that he received TOP SECRET clearance from the CIA in 1960. Ross, C. M.D. (2006). The CIA doctors: Human rights violations by American psychiatrists. (Ross’s source: 15,000 CIA FOIA documents). Other source, victim congressional testimony, 1995.

FMSF former board member Louis Jolyon West, M.D. received Top Secret clearance from the CIA as the contractor on MKULTRA Subproject 43; CIA documents show that grants were given to Louis Jolyon West for studies on, “Psychophysiological Studies of Hypnosis and Suggestibility” and “Studies of Dissociative States”. Interesting note: West also treated Jack Ruby, the guy who shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

funny sidenote: all mentioned above are jewish - the Freyds, the board members, the organization - a kosher jubilee.
 
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The mother was an expert "in the storage and reconstruction of words in the memory". What a fascinating coincidence.


Experts with an affinity for fucking memory were funded by military sources starting at least 4 years prior to when they started their False Memory organization. Interesting stuff.
lmfao well I wasn't aware of the state funding aspect. jesus christ.

rereading that book on franklin, what striking about all this shit is how fucking cowardly people act when provided an alternative of material comfort. a few people risking their neck in a society that doesn't care just get their heads lopped off. boomers put their head in the sand and now we are royally fucked.
 
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