Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[verissimus]

That doesn't mean that the films can't have political themes and topics, but they shouldn't beat audiences over the head with the same stuff they're trying to put aside while they watch their film of choice. TLJ was so full of SJW content that it felt less like Star Wars and more like something intended for the most extreme of Tumblr users.

Not that your off base or anything but the simple way of looking at politics (in general) in entertainment is if it actually matters both to the plot of the story and its themes regardless even if the author's position is absurd (the Handmaiden's tale for example). As for contemporary politics, that should be avoided in general not that you can't find a way to incorporate it to a story, but only because even if you could what's the point? Why not just deliver a lecture, speech, or video essay regarding your position on X instead of hide it through fiction and that's whether you're going to be creative about or not,

@Godzilla@1989 well depending if the leaks are true for the most part, I would add the following:

How did Maz get Anakin's lightsaber;
9) Why did Rey see a vision when she touched Anakin's lightsaber;
10) If Rey is Palpatine's clone, how did Luke find her;
11) If Rey is Palpatine's clone, why wouldn't Luke (assuming he found her) tell anyone else;
12) If Rey is Palpatine's clone, why wouldn't there have been more clones (especially during the prequel and original trilogy);
13) If Rey is Palpatine's clone, why would he risk training her assuming he knew although I don't understand how he wouldn't;
14) Why would Rey have her appearance if she is Palpatine's clone;
15) Why doesn't any Jedi just strike down Palpatine 2.0 if they can just spawn from nowhere and use force ligh, I mean Jedi Lightning. It's totally different from what the Sith uses...(uhh);
16) Why didn't the First Order and/or Sith not use Star-Death Destroyers before;
17) How did both the First Order and this hidden Sith fleet/army just materialize (or did JJ take a page from Benioff & Weiss);
1 How is the original prophecy not officially broken if Rey beats Palpatine assuming she isn't a Skywalker;
19) How did Palpatine survive a goddamn explosion from within the second Death Star; and
20) How is there any remains left from the second Death Star?

 

[Adamska]

Pretty much, created because RLM have gone soft, in the wake of selling out to the MAN a few years ago...

I will say that his Force Awakens review is actually more shit than the Plinkett one, since at least the Plinkett one makes fun of fan theories, while this guy wasted like a fourth of his review reeeing over there being no Fox intro music before the title crawl.

His other reviews though are actually pretty good though, so that's something.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Another plot hole I found!

Why the fuck did Luke drink green milk?

 

[Jaimas]

Another plot hole I found!

Why the fuck did Luke drink green tard cum?

To reference the Blue Milk from A New Hope, and to utterly emasculate his character before a horrified audience.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Yes. It's possible that 50 years from now someone will make a fun reboot of Star Wars, but what does that matter if I'll be dead or at the very least senile.

The thing that's going through my head right now is that I really don't think it would matter if there's another non-Disney trilogy in a couple decades that doesn't suck.

Disney has sort of broken the spell, if a good trilogy comes around, it will be entirely disconnected from the OT, even if it retcons the ST wholesale. There will never be a movie with Luke, Han, Leia and all the others. Any new movie will be just a cash-in on the brand name.
As long as Disney owns SW, their treatment is far too cynical and cold. If it ends up in someone else's possession, it'll be far too removed from the OT and it will most likely be yet another memberberries bullshit parade.

That's a very fatalistic way of seeing things, maybe someone will make a good trilogy any time in the future and I will enjoy it, but there was something really special about the OT and the ST took that away. Not even the PT managed to do that.

That's aged just a bit badly, they're quite harsh on Star Wars now.

Yet they still don't understand what a Mary Sue is. Jay seems to think that "Mary Sue" only means "always succeeds and never fails", which isn't even remotely true.

Why didn't Anakin called down lightning to kill Snoke?

Doesn't even have to be anything fancy like that. Anakin could just sit down and have a talk with Kylo Ren about life choices and genocide.

 

[Imperialist #348]

why didnt they just hyperspace into starkiller base?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

why didnt they just hyperspace into starkiller base?

Because Holdo hadn't innovated the tactic yet.

In Disney speak that means "there are no plotholes, shitlord, read the comics and books and every tweet from Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams and Chuck Wendig and Pablo Hidalgo".

 

[Dom Cruise]

Well hopefully things'll balance out for a bit... Then the right will start being moral busibodies and the cycle will start all over again

It really bothers me to think American culture might just be an endless cycle back and forth between the radical left and the radical right, if one day it does get to the point where the right becomes too controlling again I will be sorely disappointed.

Why can't we seem to figure out a healthy balance?

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This one is hilarious.

I remember seeing that original image of Anakin with Vader's shadow for the first time in some magazine while at my great grandmother's house and thinking "dang, what a cool image, the Phantom Menace is going to be great!"

In fact that was the first time I saw any images from the movie, including the battle droids, I thought it all looked cool (and still does really, you can't fault The Phantom Menace's visuals at least)

 

[Reverend]

Another plot hole I found!

Why the fuck did Luke drink green tard cum?

Cause people will do anything if enough money is thrown at them.

 

[BScCollateral]

I remember seeing that original image of Anakin with Vader's shadow for the first time in some magazine while at my great grand mother's house and thinking "dang, what a cool image, the Phantom Menace is going to be great!"

And that trailer. RLM was right. Never have so many been so disappointed.

 

[Tour of Italy]

I remember seeing that original image of Anakin with Vader's shadow for the first time in some magazine while at my great grand mother's house and thinking "dang, what a cool image, the Phantom Menace is going to be great!"

In fact that was the first time I saw any images from the movie, including the battle droids, I thought it all looked cool (and still does really, you can't fault The Phantom Menace's visuals at least)

The phantom menace is still my favorite prequel, fite me.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The phantom menace is still my favorite prequel, fite me.

Believe it or not I actually agree with you.

The Phantom Menace is both the Prequels at their worst (Jar Jar) but also at their best (Pod Racing, Darth Maul fight) and just in general there's a certain spark and energy to Phantom Menace that is lacking in the other two, you can tell Lucas was really trying, but given it's negative reception I think he somewhat gave up on Episodes 2 and 3, there's something about them I find just kinda dull and bland.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Believe it or not I actually agree with you.

The Phantom Menace is both the Prequels at their worst (Jar Jar) but also at their best (Pod Racing, Darth Maul fight) and just in general there's a certain spark and energy to Phantom Menace that is lacking in the other two, you can tell Lucas was really trying, but given it's negative reception I think he somewhat gave up on Episodes 2 and 3, there's something about them I find just kinda dull and bland.

It’s the only prequel that understood how to properly do production design that made it feel like Star Wars, and it did it without stealing too much from the OT. It had its share of overdone CG bullshit, but it was surprisingly restrained at times and usually gave its environments grounded and unique visual identities.

Rogue One had good production design as well and is the clear standout among the Disney films, which recycle iconography from the OT while making everything plastic and toy-like. The environments in TLJ and TFA feel like they’re lit and colored because the scene needs to be lit and colored that way, rather than it being a natural consequence of the setting.

I’m not bothered by a lot of the things people complain about in TPM overall, and honestly like it for how it manages to be distinct in visuals and tone but still feel like the OT universe, just many decades earlier. Despite extraneous weirdness, it manages to have a fairly cohesive plot compared to the rest of the prequels. It’s all about saving Naboo, and everything serves that in some way as opposed to dicking around the galaxy for often confusing reasons.

 

[Absolutego]

Not that your off base or anything but the simple way of looking at politics (in general) in entertainment is if it actually matters both to the plot of the story and its themes regardless even if the author's position is absurd (the Handmaiden's tale for example). As for contemporary politics, that should be avoided in general not that you can't find a way to incorporate it to a story, but only because even if you could what's the point? Why not just deliver a lecture, speech, or video essay regarding your position on X instead of hide it through fiction and that's whether you're going to be creative about or not,

Tolkien perfectly summed up how to go about incorporating politics in entertainment with his applicability vs. allegory rant in the forward to reprinted versions of The Lord of the Rings:

I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history -- true or feigned -- with it's varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

tl&dr: genre fiction works better to sell a political outlook by dumping the real-world context and getting your audience to approach the issue from a perspective lacking existing baggage. All crowbarring surface-level political allegories does is make them resentful of you for obviously viewing them as dimwitted sheep.

 

[Tookie]

There's long been a rumor going around that the reason that Disney Wars has been so hell-bent on eviscerating everything remaining in the canon is to stop having to pay George Lucas royalties for the last vestiges of the old series. I don't know if I believe that, but I do know that this kind of shit is exactly keeping with what Disney does now: dismantle everything from its former glory to try to ride on it without earning it, and going out of its way to prevent anyone from going back to what doesn't suck.

Christ, that's depressing.

They already paid him for the franchise, they wouldn't have to pay him more to use it. These theories keep getting regurgitated by dipshit armchair lawyers like Midnight's Edge & Co. that people keep repeating as gospel for some reason.

 

[Antipathy]

Tolkien perfectly summed up how to go about incorporating politics in entertainment with his applicability vs. allegory rant in the forward to reprinted versions of The Lord of the Rings:


tl&dr: genre fiction works better to sell a political outlook by dumping the real-world context and getting your audience to approach the issue from a perspective lacking existing baggage. All crowbarring surface-level political allegories does is make them resentful of you for obviously viewing them as dimwitted sheep.

Everything I hear from Tolkien just sounds better and better. I really should read the LOTR books, although I know it's been tainted by Disney, at least tangentially through The Hobbit Trilogy.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

They already paid him for the franchise, they wouldn't have to pay him more to use it. These theories keep getting regurgitated by dipshit armchair lawyers like Midnight's Edge & Co. that people keep repeating as gospel.

Yeah, and while I kind of like his channel I'm not buying that Disney bought LucasFilm...just not 100% of it. Its kind of an interesting way of explaining some of Disney's seemingly self-defeating actions, but it just doesn't fit how these kind of deals work. They apparently think everybody loves them some NuEra characters, apparently.

 

[Mola Ram]

Everything I hear from Tolkien just sounds better and better. I really should read the LOTR books, although I know it's been tainted by Disney, at least tangentially through The Hobbit Trilogy.

Disney isn't associated with any Tolkien adaptations, largely because Tolkien despised Disney down to his shoetops. Not to say The Hobbit movies are good, but they're not really bad in the same way.

 

[Tookie]

Yeah, and while I kind of like his channel I'm not buying that Disney bought LucasFilm...just not 100% of it. Its kind of an interesting way of explaining some of Disney's seemingly self-defeating actions, but it just doesn't fit how these kind of deals work. They apparently think everybody loves them some NuEra characters, apparently.

It's shameless clickbait. It's lazily recycled from their videos about the Star Trek franchise where there were splits in IP rights and arrangements like that were plausible. Disney didn't pay billions of dollars for partial ownership of Star Wars.

 

[Adamska]

It's shameless clickbait. It's lazily recycled from their videos about the Star Trek franchise where there were splits in IP rights and arrangements like that were plausible. Disney didn't pay billions of dollars for partial ownership of Star Wars.

It could also be because Disney purging every bit of old legacy stuff and forcing through weak new characters made little sense because they were thinking it was greed over arrogance. I actually thought this might've been the case at first until I learned that no, given Iger's statements that Disney was just that fucking arrogant.