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It's not even that hard to put Luke and his Jedi order into a slightly more progressive light, if you want to smash themes around. Here, I'll do it with subtlety right fucking now:

Luke re-established the Jedi Order, but one of the biggest changes he made was his discarding of the rules around relationships. The ghost of his father had informed him that his fall was due to a love misplaced, and Luke saw this as not the fault of love, but the fault of everything being hidden. Had the Jedi known about this relationship and accepted it, perhaps Anakin would have never fallen. With the safety of his loved one in the hands of people he knew and trusted, he would never have sought out the Dark Side to save her. He would never have needed to confide in Palpatine, (and even if he had, Palpatine would have needed more time to orchestrate a new plan for Anakin's fall. Killing Padme would have been a promising lead, and it's plausible he could have done that, which could trigger Anakin's fall as he blamed the Jedi for being unable to protect her, but it'd still require far more effort on his part.)

Luke also knows, outright, why Vader was redeemed: love. Vader at last had a chance, even a damaged one, to have something of a family, and killed the Emperor for it. Had any other Jedi been in Luke's place then and there, they would have died. But Vader tried to atone for his mistake and be a father, even if just for a moment, which then lead to his redemption.

So the takeaway that I'd expect an in-character Luke with access to the ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda to take some time to hammer out a new code, one that allows love, but also one that teaches Jedi to prepare for loss. (Luke did this in Legends, if I'm not mistaken, because that's actually a logical extension of his experience and goals by the end of ROTJ). Now, with this framework, the possibilities are basically endless. Extrapolation from ROTJ can go anywhere.

God damn it. Disney should've just paid us to write their sequels.
 
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Dr W said:
It's not even that hard to put Luke and his Jedi order into a slightly more progressive light, if you want to smash themes around. Here, I'll do it with subtlety right fucking now:

Luke re-established the Jedi Order, but one of the biggest changes he made was his discarding of the rules around relationships. The ghost of his father had informed him that his fall was due to a love misplaced, and Luke saw this as not the fault of love, but the fault of everything being hidden. Had the Jedi known about this relationship and accepted it, perhaps Anakin would have never fallen. With the safety of his loved one in the hands of people he knew and trusted, he would never have sought out the Dark Side to save her. He would never have needed to confide in Palpatine, (and even if he had, Palpatine would have needed more time to orchestrate a new plan for Anakin's fall. Killing Padme would have been a promising lead, and it's plausible he could have done that, which could trigger Anakin's fall as he blamed the Jedi for being unable to protect her, but it'd still require far more effort on his part.)

Luke also knows, outright, why Vader was redeemed: love. Vader at last had a chance, even a damaged one, to have something of a family, and killed the Emperor for it. Had any other Jedi been in Luke's place then and there, they would have died. But Vader tried to atone for his mistake and be a father, even if just for a moment, which then lead to his redemption.

So the takeaway that I'd expect an in-character Luke with access to the ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda to take some time to hammer out a new code, one that allows love, but also one that teaches Jedi to prepare for loss. (Luke did this in Legends, if I'm not mistaken, because that's actually a logical extension of his experience and goals by the end of ROTJ). Now, with this framework, the possibilities are basically endless. Extrapolation from ROTJ can go anywhere.

God damn it. Disney should've just paid us to write their sequels.
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My main beef with Red Letter Media’s take on the new Star Wars movies is how they assume that the reason the fans aren’t happy is because they’re not getting exactly what they want from the films.

Motherfucker I don’t care whose vision is realized in the movies, as long as it’s a good movie, and the vision is something other than “let’s wring this fucker dry and make a shitload of money off the branding”.

It’s clear from their prediction vids that they simultaneously embrace the fact that whatever the stupidest take possible for a movie, Disney will do it. I just wanted them to make something that was at the very least two, maybe three steps removed from the stupidest way possible, and the fucking flood of alternative ideas that take relatively little effort to reach just highlight how much of a shitshow the new installments are.
 
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Tour of Italy said:
My main beef with Red Letter Media’s take on the new Star Wars movies is how they assume that the reason the fans aren’t happy is because they’re not getting exactly what they want from the films.

Motherfucker I don’t care whose vision is realized in the movies, as long as it’s a good movie, and the vision is something other than “let’s wring this fucker dry and make a shitload of money off the branding”.

It’s clear from their prediction vids that they simultaneously embrace the fact that whatever the stupidest take possible for a movie, Disney will do it. I just wanted them to make something that was at the very least two, maybe three steps removed from the stupidest way possible, and the fucking flood of alternative ideas that take relatively little effort to reach just highlight how much of a shitshow the new installments are.
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I'm pretty sure some people here would fucking hate my ideas, because there will literally be Jedi with the power of love if you go through my ideas, alongside cyborg Mandalorians looking for their families, Imperial civil wars, Zombie Sith Lords, a bipolar Ben Solo in a mask using the Dark Side "for good", and a fuckload of other wacky ideas.

But hey, it'd at least be actual Star Wars.
 
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Dr W said:
It's not even that hard to put Luke and his Jedi order into a slightly more progressive light, if you want to smash themes around. Here, I'll do it with subtlety right fucking now:

Luke re-established the Jedi Order, but one of the biggest changes he made was his discarding of the rules around relationships. The ghost of his father had informed him that his fall was due to a love misplaced, and Luke saw this as not the fault of love, but the fault of everything being hidden. Had the Jedi known about this relationship and accepted it, perhaps Anakin would have never fallen. With the safety of his loved one in the hands of people he knew and trusted, he would never have sought out the Dark Side to save her. He would never have needed to confide in Palpatine, (and even if he had, Palpatine would have needed more time to orchestrate a new plan for Anakin's fall. Killing Padme would have been a promising lead, and it's plausible he could have done that, which could trigger Anakin's fall as he blamed the Jedi for being unable to protect her, but it'd still require far more effort on his part.)

Luke also knows, outright, why Vader was redeemed: love. Vader at last had a chance, even a damaged one, to have something of a family, and killed the Emperor for it. Had any other Jedi been in Luke's place then and there, they would have died. But Vader tried to atone for his mistake and be a father, even if just for a moment, which then lead to his redemption.

So the takeaway that I'd expect an in-character Luke with access to the ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda to take some time to hammer out a new code, one that allows love, but also one that teaches Jedi to prepare for loss. (Luke did this in Legends, if I'm not mistaken, because that's actually a logical extension of his experience and goals by the end of ROTJ). Now, with this framework, the possibilities are basically endless. Extrapolation from ROTJ can go anywhere.

God damn it. Disney should've just paid us to write their sequels.
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You basically just told the setup for Legends Luke, not that I dont agree but just so you see that there was no other logical way of going.
 
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You basically just told the setup for Legends Luke, not that I dont agree but just so you see that there was no other logical way of going.
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I outright stated this: "(Luke did this in Legends, if I'm not mistaken...)"
There is no logical way for the setting to continue beyond this, excepting Luke dying in a shuttle crash or something anticlimactic. It's my other ideas that are more balls to the wall insane.
 
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The longer I think about it, the more I like a random idea I recently had, where the movies avoid showing Snoke but Kylo Ren is constantly touting Snoke's orders to obliterate fucking everything. When the inevitable point is reached, where the good guys decide to get Kylo Ren out of Snoke's grasp, they get into his throne room and realize that Snoke had been killed by Kylo som long time ago and all the crazy orders that Kylo Ren said were coming from Snoke were his own and he has taken over the FO.

Also, might have been fun to start out with Ben Solo still being Luke's Padawan and Ben's fall is initiated when Luke and Ben stumble upon Rey, who is a natural talent as a Force user, but has absolutely no control over her abilities and thus is a danger to herself and others. Like, make Rey an introvert that salvages stuff, sells it off and leaves the settlement ASAP, since she's afraid that she accidently hurts someone. Luke understands that he has to give Rey a couple lectures quickly, or else she'll be in some deep shit. Ben gets mad that he's not getting enough training from Luke and then gets into a conflict with Luke, which makes him switch sides to the FO.
Might be too similar to Anakin's story, but with the "Snoke is dead and it was Kylo all along!"-twist, it might work.

I mean, it's a very rough outline for a plot, but I think it could be servicable. Maybe make Kylo Ren literally be a Norman Bates-like character with a split personality or something.
 
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Dr W said:
Fuck.
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Disney is reportedly in the early stages of developing a new live-action Dragon Ball movie and the big-budget film is set to feature a fully Asian cast.
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RIP DBZ.
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InsolentGaylord said:
Seriously how the fuck did Disney get the rights to Dragonball?

Is it because Fox owned the rights to Dragonball Evolution?
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I quite liked Dragonball Evolution as a so-bad-it’s-good experience with friends.

Goooood memories of it. If I remember correctly, they didn’t do terribly at characterizing Goku as a fucking goofball.
 
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