DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[chimpburgers]

I remember doing the math on his earnings as well, which I think may have explained why he was so confident and arrogant on the move. I've attached it again for this post since it's relevant.

If you read it, I posit that he earned ridiculous amounts of money back in his heyday, and a YT video I found on his earnings (Source) corroborates with my lowest estimates for his old contract.

Truth of the matter was he routinely had a six figure salary back in the old days, and had tens of thousands of people watching his content regularly. That attention definitely went to his head (much like how Vade lost it when she had the influence of that Tumblr group), and just like Vade, he never fully understood or recognized that his audience collapsed as had his income. He still probably remembers those heady days where he made tons of cash and could do whatever he wanted. He's still ultimately used to a high wealth lifestyle, partially since he was quite sheltered as a kid, and as an adult he rarely wanted, either due to having a solid job at a Helicopter factory, or due to his fans watching his content.

These recent optimistic posts I've seen on the last few days that state that he's stabilized is a load of bollocks as far as I'm concerned. In 2011, no one knew that he would collapse. In 2012, he was still doing damn well. In 2013, he collapsed for the first time. In 2014, he collapsed again, horrifically in this case. While he might not "die" in 2015, his stability is effectively crippled.

That's really insightful. I never really knew just how much Phil made back in his Golden Age but that's a lot of money for what he did and considering how even back then he didn't really post 15 minute long videos at all when it came to his game playthroughs. That's why he's so caught up in the past and is in so much denial right now.

 

[Adamska]

That's really insightful. I never really knew just how much Phil made back in his Golden Age but that's a lot of money for what he did and considering how even back then he didn't really post 15 minute long videos at all when it came to his game playthroughs. That's why he's so caught up in the past and is in so much denial right now.

Pretty much. It's also why he's likely so arrogant about his LPs being so groundbreaking. He got in early, uploaded like Ol' Faithful, and reaped the reward for an emerging market. It's not shocking that he often saw himself as the Father of LPs with that amount of scratch laying around is what I'm saying here.

 

[chimpburgers]

Pretty much. It's also why he's likely so arrogant about his LPs being so groundbreaking. He got in early, uploaded like Ol' Faithful, and reaped the reward for an emerging market. It's not shocking that he often saw himself as the Father of LPs with that amount of scratch laying around is what I'm saying here.

He's also had 160k subscribers on his Youtube gaming channel forever now. I have a suspicion that he uses bots to keep that sub count up given how severely low his views are now. It's pretty pathetic to see someone like him fall so hard.

 

[skeletonfucker]

He's also had 160k subscribers on his Youtube gaming channel forever now.

That's just sad.

 

[Adamska]

He's also had 160k subscribers on his Youtube gaming channel forever now. I have a suspicion that he uses bots to keep that sub count up given how severely low his views are now. It's pretty pathetic to see someone like him fall so hard.

Hhe lost a few thousand I recall that were bots when YT did a sweep of them last year. But honestly, I think more of them are dead accounts or people that use new accounts on YT instead. I for example have a few YT accounts knocking about on the same main Google+ page.

 

[For The Internet]

I remember her getting a lot of soap stuff for Christmas a while back. Has she done anything with that?

Phil's mother also gave her a wad of cash that Panda proceeded to show off in a youtube video to 'start a soap making business'. It never happened.

If anyone wants to know more about Panda, there's a three part series called 'the worst of Pandalee' on youtube that's pretty insightful.

 

[Blueberry]

I subtly insulted Panda on twitter, and she screen capped it and said that she had the best followers.

She is a dumb shit.

 

[Jackie Chin]

I subtly insulted Panda on twitter, and she screen capped it and said that she had the best followers.

She is a dumb shit.

Cap plox....

 

[Sojiro]

So? He also lacks the disabilities that mark Chris, which makes his fuck-ups and decisions all the more awful and hilarious to witness.

Also:
His income fluctuates madly and can vanish in a flash.
His girlfriend is unpleasant and he's kind of desperate to keep her. She also is quite likely a gold digger.
He routinely struggles to attain minimum wage nowadays.
He has to basically do nothing but make videos to keep his minimum wage.

2 things
>i checked out your philmoney.pdf, even at 6 dollars per 100o views, he is doing great.
truth has to be told, his income doesnt fluctuate madly.
it did fluctuate at points for various reasons but after his minor tweaks (longer vids etc) i dont see any fluctuation. its pretty stable for the last 2 months and with early 2014 view numbers i would say.

>it cant vanish in a flash. he has a viewerbase. for better or worse he has some "devoted" kids watching. he was making racist/nazi playthroughs kicked off blip tv, and he STILL has followers. what does that tell you? that kids dont care.
even if he gets 1k every vid, he uploads 30 a day, 180 easy bucks (according to your philmoney)...every day. thats hardly minimum wage.
and he doesnt struglle to make minimum wage. have you checked last months views?
when he said, if he got a job, he d be paid less that youtube, he wasnt lying, what job is gonna give him 180bucks a day?

plus he has patreon. even if 50% of the money on patron is going to get canceled (people trolling him) he still has 600 every month. 600 bucks without him having to go out of his way. he is just gonna switch it up with indie games. lol he gets 600 for basically nothing.

you are letting your hate obstruct your judgement. the "man" is a miasma but you have to be objective. you dont want to stoop to his level.

 

[tepid]

He has no excuse to keep fucking up like that constantly. He clearly knew he was gonna get into deep debt when he moved out to Washington.

He's a gigantic manchild, you can't expect him to realise getting a pricey mortgage on a single income stream from an algorithm by a corporation known to change their policies and systems whenever it suits them with complete disregard to people using those systems is a terrible idea.

He needs use his YT fame to secure more revenue streams.

Why doesn't pandalee have a job again?

Because college and jobs are for suckers she believes.

 

[ghostpranks]

Has this "interview" been posted yet? I'm not sure if the interview is legit but in it he claims that it's a

Play4Real: How do you explain your insane popularity?

DarksydePhil: Retards. Seriously, this shtick is funny a few times. But to continually enjoy watching someone clearly pretend to be retarded at video games? You have to be retarded yourself to actually subject yourself to that.

Edit: Lol, it's fake. I really should look into things more deeply.

 

[Cum Crime]

I'm not sure if the interview is legit

Take a look at some of the other articles on that website.

I really like this one.

 

[Freshtodeath]

Couple notes:

soap making is very popular/competitive a lot of girls do that so Panda would have to make good stuff or have a following to be succesful. and i don't know if she actually has started actually selling stuff yet.

Re patreon: phil is getting lets say 600 after troll money is taken away. Funny thing is he never apologized for being an asshole in patreon video. He was a complete shit head and money got to his head. Now people are donating to him and he can't even say sorry. I called him out on this and he didn't address it. He just said "i thanked my fans". Such a joke. He might be making 180 dollars per day but remember he has a mortgage and he has to pay for himselt and his gf.

Re is phil real: yes. No way he could think up the stuff he does as a gag. He would be best comedy writer in world. its just to good to be written if that makes sense. no way phil is smart enough to be like "ill play half life and pretend i can't crouch jump for reactions". He's not that smart. You can tell when he acts dumb on purpose, he did it in his halo 2 playthrough and it was obvious.

 

[Adamska]

2 things
>i checked out your philmoney.pdf, even at 6 dollars per 100o views, he is doing great.

even if he gets 1k every vid, he uploads 30 a day, 180 easy bucks (according to your philmoney)...every day. thats hardly minimum wage.

Yeah, I can tell you right now that didn't really read my analysis at all. That was the OLD contract that he had before he had to change it. You literally seem to have only read the first chart and left it at there. Let me get to the actually useful section then, since it so happens to be pretty relevant and you are coming off exactly like a white knight broski. The $6,600 funnily enough is about what you predict for his Patreon, just add 600 extra to it.

Spoiler: Phil's (likely) Current Income

$ per year (Video # - Payout X Workdays)
High-High: $59,400.00 + $6,600.00 = $66,000.00
High-Med: $47,520.00 + $6,600.00 = $54,120.00
High-Low: $29,700.00 + $6,600.00 = $36,300.00
Med-High: $43,560.00 + $6,600.00 = $50,610.00
Med-Med: $34,848.00 + $6,600.00 = $41,448.00
Med-Low: $21,780.00 + $6,600.00 = $28,380.00
Low-High: $29,700.00 + $6,600.00 = $36,300.00
Low-Med: $23,760.00 + $6,600.00 = $30,360.00
Low-Low: $14,850.00 + $6,600.00 = $21,450.00

$ per day (0.8 view participation)
High-High: $47,520.00 + $6,600.00 = $54,120.00
High-Med: $38,016.00 + $6,600.00 = $44,616.00
High-Low: $23,760.00 + $6,600.00 = $30,360.00
Med-High: $34,848.00 + $6,600.00 = $41,448.00
Med-Med: $27,878.40 + $6,600.00 = $34,478.40
Med-Low: $17,424.00 + $6,600.00 = $24,024.00
Low-High: $23,760.00 + $6,600.00 = $30,360.00
Low-Med: $19,008.00 + $6,600.00 = $25,608.00
Low-Low: $11,880.00 + $6,600.00 = $18,480.00

$ per year (0.5 view participation)
High-High: $29,700.00 + $6,600.00 = $36,300.00
High-Med: $23,760.00 + $6,600.00 = $30,360.00
High-Low: $14,850.00 + $6,600.00 = $21,450.00
Med-High: $21,780.00 + $6,600.00 = $28,380.00
Med-Med: $17,424.00 + $6,600.00 = $24,024.00
Med-Low: $10,980.00 + $6,600.00 = $17,580.00
Low-High: $14,850.00 + $6,600.00 = $21,450.00
Low-Med: $11,880.00 + $6,600.00 = $18,480.00
Low-Low: $9,075.00 + $6,600.00 = $15,675.00

$ per year (0.25 view participation)
High-High: $14,850.00 + $6,600.00 = $21,450.00
High-Med: $11,880.00 + $6,600.00 = $18,480.00
High-Low: $7,425.00 + $6,600.00 = $14,025.00
Med-High: $10,890.00 + $6,600.00 = $17,580.00
Med-Med: $8,712.00 + $6,600.00 = $15,312.00
Med-Low: $5,490.00 + $6,600.00 = $12,090.00
Low-High: $7,425.00 + $6,600.00 = $14,025.00
Low-Med: $5,940.00 + $6,600.00 = $12,540.00
Low-Low: $4,537.50 + $6,600.00 = $11,137.50

For comparison, a full time job at minimum wage in Washington state would be:
$19,697.60 per year (2014)
$22,880.00 per year (come April)

He chose a state that willingly adjusts its minimum wage to inflation. Barring changes in payout for online going in his favor, things will be more difficult for him come this year, and the year after that, and the year after that...

The view participation element determines how much money he would get. You see, YT does have a system where your ad payment shifts based on viewer participation, it was a fairly recent change at the time that I tried to account by taking various samples. At best, the 80% viewer participation would be where he's at on the account.

Note that I did not include how much he'd have to pay in taxes as a corporation (and yes, he does need to do this considering he is the business owner). If you read my .pdf, you'd know I did that too. But you didn't... not really.

truth has to be told, his income doesnt fluctuate madly.
it did fluctuate at points for various reasons but after his minor tweaks (longer vids etc) i dont see any fluctuation. its pretty stable for the last 2 months and with early 2014 view numbers i would say.

His very job nature is prone to fluctuate; it relies on viewership to keep current levels. And by the by, please give me the source for your conclusion. Mine were based on his eCPM, his average video load out during mid 2014 (which is about comparable after double checking), his views at the time of July 2014 (also comparable), the corporate tax he would have to pay and so on.

I checked his video content because of you, and I see that his views are about on par with what they were when checked him back in July/Aug. More recent games get spikes, older games not so much, rounding down between three numbers beautifully. And his social blade shows that at days at a time, he earns NO money.

>it cant vanish in a flash. he has a viewerbase. for better or worse he has some "devoted" kids watching. he was making racist/nazi playthroughs kicked off blip tv, and he STILL has followers. what does that tell you? that kids dont care.
and he doesnt struglle to make minimum wage. have you checked last months views?
when he said, if he got a job, he d be paid less that youtube, he wasnt lying, what job is gonna give him 180bucks a day?

Oh it can, should Machinima drop him. They're his employers and managed to get him money when Youtube kicked him out of his adsense program.

plus he has patreon. even if 50% of the money on patron is going to get canceled (people trolling him) he still has 600 every month. 600 bucks without him having to go out of his way. he is just gonna switch it up with indie games. lol he gets 600 for basically nothing.

That's only slightly better than his old twitch sub numbers (a whopping extra 600 dollars actually) which I included because it was a more steady source of income for him to abuse. Try again.

you are letting your hate obstruct your judgement. the "man" is a miasma but you have to be objective. you dont want to stoop to his level.

Now you really sound like a white knight of his (TheMoscha in particular, I think it's the fact you keep going on about his money). And not very correct if you've seen how I stopped posting in this thread for months... and you're on a site that regularly documents other people's exploits.

He might be making 180 dollars per day but remember he has a mortgage and he has to pay for himselt and his gf.

It sure as shit ain't 180 dollars. That was his old contract numbers per day or alternatively Shishio only reading the highest his values could be with his current one. Regardless, he forgot I included viewer participation, since if viewers don't watch through a certain amount, the ad revenue is affected by their viewing.

 

[Sojiro]

i admit your pdf confused me, i didnt get any of that med, high low stuff so i picked a high from 2013.
but lets say he just earns 2 bucks from 1k views, 20 vids a day, 1k each, is 40 bucks a day. 1.2 k bucks a month.
thats not bad at all, and that worse case senario, we all know he uploads more vids each day on average.

1k bucks a month without counting stream revenue, patreon, occasional "worst and bad from x", his king of hate vlog revenue

minimum wage job is 19k- 22k? minimum? i have great difficulty believing that. fast food server gets 22k a year?

from what i remember early 2014 views were similar to his now. it will be difficult to check since those vids from 2014 have who knows how many +views now, its been a year, more people discovered them.

sure his views might fluctuate but i dont see it happening, he must do something terribly wrong in the next months to go down in 2015. he is done so much and he still manages to come on top.
have you seen his "best and worst"? those vids get 10k MINIMUM. uncanny but he has a fanbase.

maybe you know better, you seem to have financial knowledge i dont have still...for a man so cornered financially as you say...he appears calm.
i remember him telling viewers off few months back "you are not spreading the word about me, i m tired of these low views". in comparison now he is calm.
i believe he is counting on selling the condo in conecticut as soon as mortgace conditions allow.
he said that will take a big weight of his back.

in conclusion you say he is doing bad financially, i dont see it in his behaviour, i dont see major stress.

oh and panda is selling soap online lol, a while ago someone asked the address on his forum to order a big batch and someone provided it.

>edit> wait, did you accuse me of being this the mochsa? lol no dude, i m clean and innocent, the site admins can check my ip or whatever. i have no relation with moksa or soksa or whatever.
i m considered about his money because people keep repeating "his views are dying, he is gonna go off youtube soon and get a fast food job" and i have great difficulty agreeing since i checked his channel.

 

[Adamska]

but lets say he just earns 2 bucks from 1k views, 20 vids a day, 1k each, is 40 bucks a day. 1.2 k bucks a month.
thats not bad at all, and that worse case senario, we all know he uploads more vids each day on average.

Your figures would place him at:

Hourly Wage : $6.92
Daily Wage : $55.38
Weekly Wage : $276.92
Monthly Wage : $1,200.00
Yearly Wage : $14,400.00

This is below minimum wage for all states, let alone Washington. This would be absolutely horrible considering what financial obligations he would have to deal with (remember, he gets taxed as well due to being his own business man). He'd have to pay at least $1,200 dollars per year of what he's earned on this, leaving him with $13,200. Still not bad? Factor in his mortgage, which can vary wildly on the type but is an expensive, monthly ordeal even at the best of times, as well as the bills he'd have to pay and the food, and that amount of dosh is not really enough. It's not "not bad" as a primary income; it's fucking horrible.

minimum wage job is 19k- 22k? minimum? i have great difficulty believing that. fast food server gets 22k a year?

Look up Washington's hourly wage and how it will change here.

I will note the annual income listed is for full-time employees. Part timers are usually around half that income due to working 20 hour weekly shifts.

sure his views might fluctuate but i dont see it happening, he must do something terribly wrong in the next months to go down in 2015. he is done so much and he still manages to come on top.
have you seen his "best and worst"? those vids get 10k MINIMUM. uncanny but he has a fanbase.

So? He gets mad views on the first few parts of most of his launch day LPs. They're statistical outliers and not the norm for him as far as I'm concerned. Just like how I didn't include the videos that did below 1,000 views during my analysis.

maybe you know better, you seem to have financial knowledge i dont have still...for a man so cornered financially as you say...he appears calm. i remember him telling viewers off few months back "you are not spreading the word about me, i m tired of these low views". in comparison now he is calm.

Yep, which is why he bitched about views not even a month ago for his Zelda playthrough.

i believe he is counting on selling the condo in conecticut as soon as mortgace conditions allow.
he said that will take a big weight of his back.

This would, since he'd not need to pay rent anymore. He'd still have issues with the mortgage, but at what I expect his level to be at (~$30,000 a year or so since it's between the median for both the 80% viewer participation and 50%), it's still pretty hard, considering the house he paid for and his usual spending habits.

By the way, if he sold himself as a financial advisor, he could get anywhere between 33k - 180k a year (median 75k). And yes, he can do that; his degree is in finance and I have personally seen it. It is real.

oh and panda is selling soap online lol, a while ago someone asked the address on his forum to order a big batch and someone provided it.

Links please. This would actually affect the Burnell household's income.

>edit> wait, did you accuse me of being this the mochsa? lol no dude, i m clean and innocent, the site admins can check my ip or whatever. i have no relation with moksa or soksa or whatever.
i m considered about his money because people keep repeating "his views are dying, he is gonna go off youtube soon and get a fast food job" and i have great difficulty agreeing since i checked his channel.

I was comparing him to you actually, since Moscha had an annoying habit of continuing to go on about how Phil's finances were great and "you haters are all jelly".

 

[Sojiro]

2bucks per 1k views is worst case senario ofcourse, he MUST make more than that.
in any case it would help greatly if we knew what he paid on taxes and what he paid on mortgage.
he said his debt is "huge" and "cripling" but who can trust a person that blows everything out of proportion? knowing him, his debt might be 20-30k.

i didnt see his zelda view bitching but i bet it was nothing like that 5 month ago blow out.
whats more funny is he said his blowout worked.

here is the forum link for pands shop
http://thekingofhate.com/forums/topic/709-leannas-store-looking-to-buy-soap-in-bulk/

and here is the direct link for pands shop
https://theblackcurrantshop.wordpress.com/

edit>full time minimum wage per day 75 bucks? so a simple dishwasher makes 75 bucks a day? hard to believe.

 

[Adamska]

i didnt see his zelda view bitching but i bet it was nothing like that 5 month ago blow out.
whats more funny is he said his blowout worked.

Oh, I'll agree to that. That was when his views barely breached the 1,000 mark after over a week and he lost several of his patrons at twitch.

here is the forum link for pands shop
http://thekingofhate.com/forums/topic/709-leannas-store-looking-to-buy-soap-in-bulk/

and here is the direct link for pands shop
https://theblackcurrantshop.wordpress.com/

https://theblackcurrantshop.wordpress.com/

Well hell, looks like she is going to do it after all. This now makes PandaLee better at keeping her promises than Doug Walker... wow.

edit>full time minimum wage per day 75 bucks? so a simple dishwasher makes 75 bucks a day? hard to believe.

That's what the numbers say. Washington has a naturally high minimum wage because it's adjusted for inflation every April.

 

[LordDarkrai]

I saw parts of his Majora's Mask stream. From the parts I did watch, he finished up the Great Bay Temple. He was complaining about the boss even during the first half where you target it and using your arrows on it. Another thing I noticed is that he isn't bothering with getting the fifteen fairys thing at each dungeon.

 

[Son of Big Boss]

And the game as a whole is much easier.
Wow.